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03 Jul 2012 23:50:12
lets say for arguments sake i hav $100mil nd i buy those shares how much % ownership do i now own of the club?
Maybe 5%
G.A.G.U.S
Still 5% will get you alot of money with a big club like Man Utd
fearny {Ed002's Note - The shares will not go to one person or institution - otherwise there would be no point in this floatation.}
03 Jul 2012 23:46:32
so united are to list on the NY market strange to see thats its only for $100 mill which works out as £64 mill.
thats a lot of money to you and me but isnt really a massive amount to united or the glazers really.
I wonder if this is to top up the transfer kitty
jred
Couldn't agree more Jred, I only believe this as it's over the next couple of months that we are floating. It seems like a tester and that money could be towards Rodriguez, Modric & Baines. If they were planning on giving some of the 1bn dollars to the manager for transfers anyway, then why not the first amount?
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - So hopefully a significant amount of money is made available for Fergie this season}
Edd/syd
thats what it looks like to me
jred {Ed004's Note - We can hope}
Jred, this was the Andy Green tweet four minutes ago. It's good news.
"Right, enough from me. Two key takeaways, no dividends and proceeds of IPO will be used to reduce debt. That's very good news for United."
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - How can they offer shares with no dividends?}
''We intend to use all of our net proceeds from this offering to reduce our indebtedness''
"Investment from wealthy team owners has led to teams with deep financial backing that are able to acquire top players''
MUFC warns UEFA financial fair play rules "could negatively affect our business ... & the performance of our first team"
Just some of the quotes from the filing how is this good news sydney?
MANRED
I assume he means the full amount of the IPO will go in to the club.
i will have to check but i would of thought that the glazers could take a % as a dividend if they wanted to.
I think that may be what andy is referring to
jred
Syd
FOX are reporting that warnings were included in the filing, with the team saying ''our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position'' and reduce ''the availability of our cash flow to fund the hiring and retention of players and coaching staff.''
jred
He prbly means the glazers wont be gettin the cash and it wil be used to pay off the debt
There are different kinds of shares...Preferred shares, which pay yearly dividends, and some of these carry over the owed dividends if unpaid (cumulative preferred shares). Then there are Common Shares, which shareholders make their money on the increase of share price, when they sell them. These CAN pay dividends BUT are under no obligation to declare dividends. I am guessing they are issuing common shares!
Forgot to add name to the end of that preferred/common share comment...
Pistol
Ed004, it seems that there will be no dividends paid which has clearly surprised Andersred. This cash will go on the debt, but what Ed004 and Jred have to remember is transfer fees are not paid off in one go, they are amortised over the length of the contract. So it's good news all round. There will be cash for transfers and debt will be reduced and therefore interest will drop.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I know the money we receive from the sale of the shares will be spent on the debts. However, I am hoping more finance from the club will be available to spend}
People invest in an IPO to make money on the stock price - dividends are never certain on stocks.
The language around "our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health..." is standard safe harbor legal language - nothing to get worried about
Knowledgeable post, pistol!
ED 004 Dividend payment on shares is not obligatory, they can bet kept as retained earnings or need not to be paid in Currency. Stock dividend is also an example of non currency dividend.
Companies with good going concern and high reputation with low risk profile and having opportunity for expansion dont pay dividends but the holder earns via stock premium over the course of time.
Shaun
The paragraphs about the possible negative warnings are no doubt legally required, but the good thing is they obviously realise how damaging it will be if they fail to fund to first team in particular.
The dividend thing is no more than any owners have done in the past either the debt or dividends makes no difference that is still money going out of the club and not spent on players so is mainly irrelevant and nothing we can do about it
Pardoe
Andy Green has clarified the 100m dollars part. That is just a figure that is used to calculate the listing fee. No details on actual size of IPO yet, but it's likely to be around 600m dollars.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Right, the critical thing is that they cannot afford to have the club undervalued. They have a figure in mind and unless it can be reached there will be no 30-35% floatation.}
Pardoe, there will not be any dividends going to the shareholders.
Sydney!
Where did A Green confirm 600m
Ed002, So it's still a case of if and not when then? What do you think their chances of succeeding are?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - In terms of a larger floatation, yes. There chance of succeeding has to be in question given the rejection to test the market in the Far East.}}
He never confirmed 600m dollars, but that is what the debt equates to roughly. It's probably closer to 650m dollars actually, but United will want to keep some debt as some debt is good debt for tax reasons.
Sydney!
Ed002, couldn't it have just been the Facebook floatation that convinced them to go to New York instead of the Far East? A nice new Chevrolet sponsorship to help boost the United name in America over the next few months. If they fail by valuing the club at £2bn, can they bring their valuation down or just accept say 20% of the shares? Or do they need to file all over again?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The Facebook paradigm that is connected is valuation not location.}
Ed002, does this strike you as a little strange because United are not in nowhere near as bad shape as they are making out, so is there more than one reason to why the Glazers are doing this? Perhaps so they can start taking dividends or what? I am not sure I buy into all of this not being able to compete stuff, yes we would be better off without debt, but I just feel the Glazers have another agenda here. What do you think?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - No. It is all to do with the valuation.}
Ed002, So do you think the "We can't compete with the other teams" is nonsense and just an excuse for floating?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I have no thought on it Syd.}
Nice try Sydney
"Nice try Sydney"
As much as I am aware that we would be better off financially without the debt I am not convinced we will start paying more wages or bigger transfer fees when the debt is gone. I think the Glazers have jumped on the M.U.S.T bandwagon as a way of justifying the IPO to the investors. IMO the reason the Glazers are going for the IPO is so they can take advantage of our club being overvalued in the market and they can clear the debt which will allow them to take around £36m a year in dividends. I may be being a little pessimistic here, but I do not believe the club is has hard up as they are making out. The finances certainly back this up.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2012 23:38:00
reports on twitter about club being floated on NYC stock exchange
03 Jul 2012 23:04:04
detail of our offer to the US for the shareholding.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549107/000104746912007026/a2210109zf-1.htm
03 Jul 2012 23:10:30
united just applied to list on the us stock market in a share sale that could value the club at £1bn bbc news 5 minutes ago
03 Jul 2012 23:09:54
Possible line for next season:
De gea
Rafa/jones smalling/rio vidic Evra/baines
Modric cleverly/scholes
Tony shinji young/nani
Rooney
Would have great depth with Ando, Carrick, Evans, giggs, Chico, welbeck, park, and a really dynamic midfield that could support the attack with several players.
Berba to go for 10m
Baines 15m
Modric 35m
Shinji 14m
Outlay 54m plus whatever Powell was.
03 Jul 2012 23:08:45
So basically we have filed with the US government to list shares on the New York stock exchange we will become a Cayman Islands company we are doing this because the club can't compete with £423m of debt. Hence need to raise equity
MANRED {Ed004's Note - The club can easily cope with the finance. This proves you know nothing about the debt}
Edd the club can cope with the debt but i do think it is having a negative affect on our transfer policy, how much is open to debate
jred {Ed004's Note - Yes I agree it affects our transfer dealings. Just read on the telegraphs we had 110 million net operating profits last year. Shame we have debts to pay...}
Not really ED004 this is what Ferguson and Gill have been denying for years this debt is endangering our progression as a club and as it say's in the document that was sent to the US the FFP rules will also halt the progression the club. {Ed004's Note - I disagree. The debt is manageable. It is not ideal but we are not struggling financially as people portray. The club aren't selling assets each year to make payments etc.}
Paying down debt will not improve our cash flow. I also do not believe £64m will make too much of a difference to our £423m debt.
Sydney!
Can the person who buys the shares invest in the club etc ?
No name, we are comfortably within the FFP guidelines.
Sydney!
"Can the person who buys the shares invest in the club etc ?"
No, you would pay whatever the shares cost then collect an annual dividend.
Sydney!
Syd!
I know mate I understand all the Net Profit and turnover business etc i just was wondering whether a person whos buys shares into a football club can put money into the club or do you have to be the majority?
Syd
ive just posted something similar before i read this , I think its strange we are only floating for 64 mill my first reaction is that the money may be for something other than paying off debt
jred
Lets just say no one will be putting money into the club as it's a self sufficient football club.
Sydney!
Lot of folks on here talking about Finance that need to learn some facts before they start posting...
03 Jul 2012 22:57:14
United to float on US stock exchange. At last the debt can go. Happy days
03 Jul 2012 22:51:25
Under ManUnited's plans for partial flotation on New York Stock Exchange, club would become a Cayman Islands company
What is going on anyone??
03 Jul 2012 22:44:39
MUFC have made an application to float on NY stock exchange in an attempt to raise 100m
Langers
03 Jul 2012 22:40:02
Roma have signed Brazilian youngster Dodo.
Supasub
03 Jul 2012 22:38:36
So - the big news ! Manchester United to float on the New York stock exchange!
(ref the BBC)
Mike
03 Jul 2012 22:37:11
So glad Valencias got the number 7, so deserved all the best big man.
anon
03 Jul 2012 22:23:34
papers submitted to the new york stock exchange for share offer
03 Jul 2012 21:51:30
I told you ages ago Pogba had agreed to join Juventus, SAF tried to persuade him to stay by putting him in matchday squads and giving him a few run outs, still wanted out) Powell looks a great prospect every cloud has a silver lining! Baines is next in by all accounts?
United Till I Die 1987
AGAIN, every man and his dog knew long before you ever said. Stop trying to claim this as your news.
G.A.G.U.S
03 Jul 2012 21:49:12
Good luck in Italy Pogba your gonna need it.
BREAK A LEG! ;-)
Disgusting wishing an injury on a player- regardless of how they you think the have aggrieved you. Should be ashamed of yourself!
03 Jul 2012 21:39:11
I am disappointed about Pogba, but if he feels he'll be better off in a corrupt, very poor league then good riddance.
However, who cares, Valencia (a player who appreciates what he has at OT) got the number 7 which we all know he thoroughly deserves (though it'll take time to get used to Valencia 7) and from a personal point of view screw Pogba, I've just found out I have a definite place at University in the Autumn! Only 7 years late lol.
SK
Pogba didnt look the brightest and his decision to leave mufc for a lesser club with a tarnished rep is baffling, congrats to valencia, hopefully he can stay fit and not be punished by refs for simply being stronger than most in epl.
congrats mate where you off? im the same 25 and starting uni,
where you off?
Cban
03 Jul 2012 21:38:04
were we linked with corinthians twenty year old left back dodo? cos he's just signed for roma.
03 Jul 2012 21:20:25
The Moutinho to Man Utd are consistently appearing now. I hope it has some substance and that we do actually sign him. In my opinion he was Portugal's standout player ahead of Ronaldo at Euro 2012 and would be a steal compared to the price being quoted for Modric. Do the Ed's have any news on the situation?
fearny
03 Jul 2012 21:17:02
Really like AV7, got a ring to it, I think shinji should of been given the No.9 IMO, what was his number at BVB 23?
MaccaTheRed!
Why not Nani got 7? His ability and quality should at least be the same amount with AV, sometimes even better...
03 Jul 2012 20:52:30
Its looking more and more likely that Nick Powell will be thrown straight into the deep end instead of loaned out which i do not get as Paul Pogba is a better player by a mile yet struggled to get a handful of appearances
Pogba wouldn't sign a new deal and the club knew what his intentions were. He would have played more had he signed.
Sydney!
Pogba was trying to wag the dog. I sincerely hope that this means the end of Mino Raiolas involvement with the club, we don't need anymore bloodsucking leeches. Goodluck to him and Pogba I'm astonished at such poor judgement from the player regarding his future career, and I hope Ferguson will drum out this agent. I can't remember Sir Alex openly slating a young players conduct and character as publicly but it goes to show the kind of manner Pogba and his representatives have conducted themselves with. We do not want this type of character at the club.
Wilbur
Perhaps SAF didnt trust him enough to give Pogba the game time he deserved? I have a feeling the non-signing of a contract issue was brewing since last summer
Gav
He looked a very good player but no one can say he's going to be world class till he does it for 3/4 seasons. I think saf is right to stand up to these youth players and greedy agents. Pity he doesn't stand up to the glazers as well. There are very very few players that have left united and done better. I know ronaldo and piqué have but they both left on good terms. What has raval Morrison done since he left !! I think pogba could be another tevez/balotelli. Maybe he wanted Italy so he can make few extra quid on the side. Best of luck ya prize pr-ck.
03 Jul 2012 20:30:51
Well it looks like it could be an interesting summer, i agree with most people that we'll get a new LB and CM along with possibly a LW depending on whether Nani stays or goes.
At LB it seems like it'll be either Baines or Izaguirre with Willems as an outside bet. I don't think Willems is ready so i feel we should steer clear of him for another year or two. People jump on Rafaels back everytime he makes a mistake, well this kid is a year or so behind where Rafael was a couple of seasons ago. This leaves Baines or Izaguirre, personally i'd prefer Izaguirre as he's quicker. Interesting point is who would you prefer if the fee's were the other way around? Baines for 8m and Izaguirre for 15m? If that changes your opinion then you may be prioritising cost over ability which would please the Glaziers.
Moving onto midfield. I would love to sign Cabaye but from what i'm hearing it would take silly money and he is happy in the north east so he won't push for a move. This i think rules him out, i wish we had taken the 5m gamble on him. Modric is high on the list but is a player i wouldn't be unhappy with if he signed but i feel he would leave our midfield looking abit light if he was paired with Cleverley or Anderson, He'd have to play with Carrick Jones or Fletcher to give us balance in the centre. And seeing as Fletcher has concerns over his fitness and Jones imo hasn't the passing ability to play there long term. Which means if Carrick is injured or suspended we could struggle to have a cohesive midfield pairing.
That leads us onto my pick Moutinho, he is such a good player in the defensive third and the final third of the pitch while keeping possession and controlling the tempo in the middle. His all round ability means he would be great with any of our midfielders. In the short term him and Carrick would be solid and progressive, in the long term him and Cleverley would form a deadly midfield duo especially with Kagawa playing just infront of them. But he would do a great job lining up along side Jones Anderson Scholes Fletcher or Tunnicliffe as well which is why i feel he is the best suited.
Sahin would be a good shout if he was to leave Madrid. I've also on many occasions praised Strootman but feel it could be a year too soon for him this summer. And an outside possibility is Dembele who has really impressed me every time i've seen him play in midfield, the only downside is would most fans see him as a good enough signing?
Onto the Nani situation, personally i'd rather keep him as whoever we bring into replace him won't be able to just step in and do as good a job as he does in thier first season with the club. They might ultimately be a better player for us but they'll need a year to adjust to the prem. So in the short term Nani would be better and we need to be weary of trying to change too much too quickly. But if Nani is to leave then i see four options to replace him, two are expensive and would possibly mean spending less on a midfeilder to balance the books.
You have the obvious and probably best choice in James Rodriguez, but seeing as Porto rejected a 30m bid then signing him would require us spending most of out kitty on him. Porto would also be unlikely to sell us both Rodriguez and Moutinho in the same window. If we were to sign him then i'd expect we'd have to sign someone cheap in midfield like Dembele to keep the books balanced.
The next expensive option is Nico Gaitan, i know he isn't flavour of the month on here but he is an excellent player who would improve us. He wouldn't be as expensive as Rodriguez but he'd still cost a pretty penny and would restrict from signing the more expensive CM's which i wouldn't want to do as i feel it more important to sign a top CM over a top LW.
Then we move onto one of the cheaper options but one of my personally favourites.....Yarmolenko. A gifted and versitile player who is lightening quick and has a thunderous left foot. He could be a very good option for us and would be fairly priced thus allowing us to sign a top midfielder without cost restrictions.
lastly we have Griezmann who i feel will have a breakthrough season next season. I feel this time next year he could be one of the players everyone wants, it would be good if we could jump the que and sign him this year.
For me if we can add Izaguirre Moutinho and Yarmolenko(or preferably keep Nani ) to Powell and Kagawa then i think we'd have had a great summer.
Imagine this line up next season:
_______________DDG
Rafael____Smalling__Vidic____Izaguirre
___Carrick/Cleverley_Moutinho/Scholes
Valencia/Welbeck_Kagawa_Young/Yarmolenko
______________Rooney
with plenty of experiance and youth in the squad such as Lindegaard Rio Evans Evra Jones Anderson? Giggs Park Tunnicliffe Pogba? Petrucci Hernandez.
Shappy
03 Jul 2012 20:30:17
I see all this Pogba will not be missed in 5 years hel be regretting it and stuff but at the end of the day weve just let a world class prospect go for next to nothing and he plays in the position we are struggling in in 5 years hel be dominating world football with another team
Not so sure if he'll stay anywhere long enough. Looks like he's nailed on to become another mercenary, as money seems the motivation rather than achieving things in the sport. Would like Keane to give him a kick in the head while waving his medals at him.
Wilbur
03 Jul 2012 19:49:28
Pogba departure confirmed:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/paul-pogba-has-left-manchester-united-says-sir-alex-ferguson.aspx
FFS... Even though I expected this, some guys here actually made me believe that he could still sign a new contract. Oh well...
Steffen
03 Jul 2012 19:38:50
Looks like Pogba is definitely leaving then, with SAF saying to MUTV - "Pogba signed for Juventus a long time ago as far as we’re aware. Which is disappointing."
He goes on to talk of how he feels Pogba has showed no respect at all, and usually with Fergie that means only one thing..
A lot of people have been talking of Fletcher coming back as a new signing or whatever, but this and Fergie also saying the other day that we're looking at "one or two things" surely means that a central midfielder is on the cards! Heres to hoping that Levy will stop breaking balls and eventually acquiesce to the sale of Modric..
cmb
Pogba has left, he is no longer a United player and is now a Juventus player.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2012 19:38:49
Now its very clear, Pogba Gone.
Well, he will achieve something with Juventus, but he could have been something better with united.
As a fan, we shouldn`t feel anything for him, its not a loss, as he was not a part of first team.
Now we should definitely go for Martinez. And Modric.
MD_11
03 Jul 2012 19:14:46
Joao Mountinho and Baines or a striker would do nicely! don't think we should pay over the odds for a playmaker to be honest (modric), we have Kagawa and Powell!
03 Jul 2012 19:13:21
Pogba's gone, suprise suprise another midfielder will have to come in. -JakeW
03 Jul 2012 19:12:23
Fergie has gone on saying pogba 'signed' for juventus a long time ago and says ' I don’t think he showed us any respect at all. I'm quite happy that he's away from me
anyway.'
well good riddance mr.pogba and in 5 years we wont be the ones crying over you, but you'll be kicking yourself for not joining us!
03 Jul 2012 19:10:34
So seen reported Fergie said on MUTV that Pogba had signed for juventus a long time ago&as shown United no respect! So off you go then to your lesser club in a corrupt league no doubt fooled by your agent.A lot of bigger names&quality players have left Utd&careers never reached same heights.I don't think losing somebody with the obvious attitude of Pogba be missed,bring on Nick Powel!
03 Jul 2012 19:02:35
SAF: "one or two" things might happen but prolonged negotiations... Surely referring to one of Modric, Baines or Rodriguez? Any would be good but SAF canny man: maybe stick with Powell and Kajawa? No bad thing: Rooney to take over Scholes role, Kajawa to roam in the hole where Rooney was leaving Welbeck, Hernandez or Macheda to fight for spearhead striker (with Powell as spare!)
With fletcher and Vidic returning, no real need for any more sugnings - but Modric or Moutinho would be nice!
So Fletcher is coming back? I was under the impression that he was finished and would be to I'll and unfit to play at the highest level again-not that I ever rated him as Utd quality anyway.
Play Rooney deeper in midfield when his best position is up top, interchanging with the other attacking players?
FredtheRed
03 Jul 2012 18:59:21
At last Fergue has confirmed Pogba has gone. Never mind lets look to the future with our new players and continue to be successful. Fingers crossed we add a player or two.Mad Hatter
03 Jul 2012 18:54:21
just seen on sky sports news that berbatov wont be leaving this season despite all the speculation SAF has said this i take it people where just presuming he would be sold JT RED
The manager said he would be sold.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2012 18:46:23
Just seen the Bos's interview,Pogba signed for Juve 3 or 4 weeks ago. He's shown club a complete lack of respect said Sir Alex.
Raffa
03 Jul 2012 18:43:56
I think we should keep berba and let him leave for free next season. He's proven in the prem league and we will only get €8/9m for him so why not hold onto him.
I heard something today that I do not think has been broadcasted. I heard Lewandowski will join United next summer. I was also told that Kagawa agreed to join us in principle last summer. Not sure how accurate the info is but could Berbatov stay and be replaced by Lewandowski next summer? Personally I think Berbatov will leave if someone put in a half decent offer.
Sydney!
Sydney I saw the interview and I got the impression that fergie was just saying that they hadn't had any offers and thus berba will go on the tour and play next year. I think united would still sell. Bookedredmole
I couldn't agree more mate. It's alright wanting to sell a player, but you need interest and the clubs interested in Berbs seem to only want him if he is free.
Sydney!
03 Jul 2012 18:41:59
The manager confirms Pogba signed for Juventus a while ago. Also said the club is better off without players like him.
Top quality player, going to be world-class, sadly not with us.
Sydney!
Was inevitable I guess then...still slightly gutted...ah well, I'm over it!
Bring on Kagawa, Powell and hopefully Modric!
Gav
It's a shame but his agent is the real scumbag here, looking to make as much as possible. I wish him the best and hope he doesn't regret his decision. Unfortunately i think he will.
Shappy
03 Jul 2012 18:40:29
It seems as though Fergie's comments about signing a couple more has made us all think a bit of who. For me one of the players is Baines and the other is a midfielder choosen from Modric, Moutinho, Strootman and Cabaye - i think that is the order of preference. Personally I would go with Modric as first choice as he knows the League. Hope we get Baiens + a good midfielder though AND give Welbeck the no. 9 shirt!
RedDevil19
Welbeck will not be getting the number 9 if berbatov is staying
fearny
03 Jul 2012 18:24:42
Glad to see Valencia get the number 7, interested to see Kagawa get 26. I wonder how Nani feels about being snubbed for the number 7.
Shappy
I dont think it is an issue. Nani requested the number 17 when he joined the club, that is his number.
TK-Red
Does he prefer the number 17 though? he wears the same for Portugal. Maybe he isn't bothered.
RedDevil7
I think nani likes the number 17. He is number 17 for portugal.
Nani was offered the #7 when Ronaldo but he turned it down because he said the #17 brought him luck
Dylan
Number 17 was his lucky number... he turned the shirt down before Owen joined the club
fearny
It may well be a non issue. It's also reported that Kagawa had preferance for 8 23 or 26. which are Anderson Cleverley and Valencia's numbers. Out of the three only Valencia would be deemed to be deserving of the no.7 so it makes most sense to give Kagawa 26 and move Valencia to the no.7.
Shappy
Valencia was 25, Shappy, mate. Powell has been given Valencia's old number. The number 26 was last taken by Gabby Obertan.
TK-Red
Yeah I remembered that two minutes after I sent that reply. I must be working to hard.my brains been abit frazzled today. Lol.
Shappy
03 Jul 2012 18:23:13
I'm delighted that Valencia has stepped up and asked for the no. 7 shirt, he fully deserves it. Also good to see Powell get a shirt that implies he will get a good few games, if he had like the no. 40 it would imply he'd not play much, so i'm glad about that. The next interesting thing will be the no. 9, will Berbatov keep it?
RedDevil19
03 Jul 2012 18:16:30
Do you guys think this will work. Real, bayern have a left foot winger on the right and a rightfoot winger on the left. If we extend tha do you think we can play evra on the right to combine with say toni and rafa on the left to combine with nani/young. Will it be successful ?
DesiRed.
No....In a word.
TK-Red
Those teams play with reverted wingers not fullbacks. So no, I don't think it would work. Wide men like Silva, Nasri, Ronaldo play on the 'opposite wing' because they come inside to impact the game in the middle of the pitch, off their strongest foot. I don't see the merit in swapping round full backs as when they attack they should be overlapping around the outside, on their strongest foot
Gav
Ridiculous, you need balance in defence! You can get away with it on the wings but not defence, unless you have Lahm or Irwin!
Ports
No, why would we?
GDS
03 Jul 2012 18:06:47
gotze isnt coming to united just signed new contract 5 year deal
suls
Old news. old news.
03 Jul 2012 18:02:41
read on manutd .com that ant valencia is goin to wear the number 7 shirt,with kagawa and powell being number's 25,26 respectivly after antonio asked for it bold move with the execption of owen some very big boots to fill but i think he's up to it
03 Jul 2012 18:00:58
lewandowskis agent has said that he wont be leaving BVB this summer
Sul
Think we knew this a while ago
fearny
03 Jul 2012 17:59:19
Apparently Valencia will get to wear no. 7 next year and Kagawa will get no. 25
Madbob95
Kagawa will get 26 and Powell 25
03 Jul 2012 17:57:23
There it is, Antonio Valencia gets the number 7 jersey! WOHOO!
Well deserved!
Gav
03 Jul 2012 17:55:15
So glad to see Valencia getting the iconic number 7. I think there are few out and out wingers in the world and for me he's the best, been a brilliant signing and he will do the shirt proud. AV7
03 Jul 2012 17:54:53
now with the appointment of AVB i personally think modric will go no where. thats why i think moutinho and baines will be great addition to existing squad. but i love to see strootman.
I think Modric will leave and I'm sure AVB already knows that...perhaps he will want Moutinho as his replacement?
Gav
03 Jul 2012 17:53:13
valencia to wear d no 7 jersey nxt season,25 for powell and 26 for kagawa
03 Jul 2012 17:51:38
Valencia has been announced as the new number 7, I am very happy about this! -JakeW
03 Jul 2012 17:49:07
ED please do comment on this !!!
if we have got a bid rejected for rodriguez which i see you have mentioned then it surely means that nani could be on his way out of Old trafford(his contract talks has been stalled).
so keeping this thing in mind can we be sure that nani is going out and rodriguez or any other winger is definately arriving {Ed004's Note - I personally think it will spell the end for Nani. However, I do not think he wants to leave so I think he will be here next season}
It's already been said that contract talks will resume now that Euro 2012 is over
fearny
03 Jul 2012 17:37:14
its confirmed antonio valencia will wear no 7 from now on
03 Jul 2012 17:34:27
I personally love Anderson but I think it's down to his swagger and his dreads and sometimes the way he bounces people off the ball with his rear. He does have quality but I think people are being disrespectful to Porto to suggest there gonna take an injury prone party boy and a few million for a quality player currently performing at the top level. Please guys get real I know we love united but some
Posters need to take a less optimistic view and not get carried away by crazy wishing ! DISNEY !
03 Jul 2012 17:30:50
New squad numbers for 2012-2013
No. 7 - Antonio Valencia
No. 25 - Nick Powell
No. 26 - Shinji Kagawa
Cheers!
K10 {Ed004's Note - Confirmed?}
03 Jul 2012 17:25:01
Great to hear toni v is wearing no.7 next season. Also Powell is number 25 and kagawa 26
Pleased Valencia got number 7 , his one of the first names on the team sheet for me
Jred
Do peeps still think Nani's staying? We all know he would have wanted the number seven had he believed he was staying here long-term.
Sydney!
Hopefully not!
Halesini
Syd
I'm 50/50 over Nani still...I'm pretty sure his position in our squad is under consideration at the very least. It would be ideal to give him one more year then assess the Rodriguez situation next summer but that doesn't seem feasible as Nani only has 2 yrs left on his contract, so we'd either have to give him a big pay rise now or risk losing him for cheap next summer. It's a tricky one for sure
Gav
Nani has a lot of merchandise with 17 on, he would not want to change numbers!
GDS
Syd...
Nani's number is 17 because it is his lucky number... Both for Utd and Portugal. I remember he said it had special meaning to him when he first joined
fearny
Gav, it's a tricky one isn't it mate?
Sydney!
03 Jul 2012 17:16:45
Shirt numbers next season -
Valencia gets the No.7 shirt
Powell No.25
Kagawa No.26
Glad Valencia has number 7 to be honest!
Ozwald
Why wouldnt they give kagawa 25 and powell 26?
Daniel
Daniel - Kagawa may favour 26 over 25 because of superstition or he may just prefer it to 25. I believe his first choice was no. 23 in any case
Gav
03 Jul 2012 17:16:33
25 mins gone in the France vs Serbia u19 euro champioships. Captain Paul Pogba has an assist and a penalty scored. He is running the show in cm. Head and shoulders above whats there so far. I will be so dissapointed to lose him..... If we do.
GALWAY RED
Cheers for the info. - sounds like he's doing well. I wonder if 'Dustbin' is watching the game and whether he still believes Norwood is better than Pogba? ; )
Actually he'd probably just say yes because u19 level is worse than the Championship or something...
Gav
We've lost him unfortunately. Its there on manutd.com. SAF has himself said this to MUTV. Hope it comes back to haunt him :P
Devil for Life
SAF confirmed that he signed for Juve sometime ago.
A
Fergies said on mutv tonight that they reckon he signed for juventus weeks ago and showed a complete lack of respect to utd
johndenton
Dustbin talks rubbish ;)
Sydney!
Bummer...oh well let's move on. We will improve greatly over the next few seasons even without Pogba. Let's hope we get the CM'er we need this summer!
Gav
Y lads was out all nite after my earlier post, think this, but if pogba showed no respect for our club then good ridence. No one is bigger or better then united end of
GALWAY RED news is terribleSorr
03 Jul 2012 17:08:26
Antonio Valencia will wear the iconic no.7 shirt for Manchester United in 2012/13.
ManUtd.com can also reveal that summer signings Nick Powell and Shinji Kagawa will wear no.25 and no.26 respectively.
03 Jul 2012 17:07:55
Antonio Valencia will wear no.7! Congrats to him, well deserved. Also Kagawa 26 and Powell 25!
SqueakyBum
03 Jul 2012 17:07:26
Valencia to wear 7, Powell 25 and Kagawa 26 for next season.
Hobbes
03 Jul 2012 17:06:59
Squad numbers announced for next season
Valencia #7
Powell #25
Kagawa #26
Dylan
03 Jul 2012 17:05:31
Valencia gets the number 7 shirt, very well deserved. Kagawa number 26.
03 Jul 2012 16:52:27
I really hope we do not sign Witsel for anything above 12 million
Id prefer -
Javi Garcia
Marouane Fellaini
Yann M'Villa
Sami Khedira
Claudio Marchisio
Kevin Strootman
Granted there differentiate price wise but i think they would all be better signings along with a Scholes esque midfielder like Joao Moutinho or Luka Modric
03 Jul 2012 16:52:01
Paul Pogba is playing right now in the u19 euro champs. Its live on euro sport. He looks a foot taller then everybody else and does the pass move just like a spaniard. Have a feeling no move has been finalised because of these championships. Hope im wrong though and he is staying.
GALWAY RED
03 Jul 2012 16:26:48
Hello everyone, Got back from Ibiza yesterday, Back to the constant rain in Dublin.
So whats been happening on here the last 5 weeks? Who's pregnant?
Im delighted we signed Powell and Kagawa. Im not really a big fan of Baines. Anyone got any news on Pogba?
Dylan
Not pregnant but the 'wife' would love a Halesini Junior!
Prepare thy self for a long drawn out process to hopefully land Modric seems the order of the day.
Halesini
Great news we have finally got rid of that scouse waste of space. I AM KLOOT
You talking about Michael Owen, Blair or lfc? haha
Dylan
RFT, completely agree. I never liked the man when we signed him, but when he told a Scunthorpe or Aldershot player to f*** off when he asked to swap shirts, that was it for me. What a tosser.
Sydney!
Hasnt Pogba signed for Juventus? Its there on Manutd.com saying that SAF is disappointed on losing him.
03 Jul 2012 16:04:01
I have seen alot of debates about Moutinho or Modric etc
Modric - Doesnt get stuck in, plays very deep, controls the tempo of games and is always in space, kind of like a deep lying playmaker he passes the ball of to the more creative players therefore not getting as many assists and goals.
Moutinho - Typical box 2 box midfielder imo with maybe a more attacking mind than most of them hes very good in the tackle and a good finisher, hes ver physical for a guy of his stature and imo would be a class buy
Moutinho - 22-26million or maybe 18million and Anderson
Modric - 28-34million and maybe more
Imo Moutinho is a better deal as i think he would be more effective in games and we could also afford a defensive midfielder or left back aswell
03 Jul 2012 18:19:17
Moutinho (or as I've posted previously Cabaye) should be the player we prioritise as he gives us more options.
The modern game needs players who are adaptable and I do fear that Modric, as skillful a little swan as he is, could go missing when the going gets tough when we are 1 nil down in the middle of January on a frozen pitch etc etc.
A box to box midfielder who can tackle, finish and create gives us more depth and variation in our game surely ?
Moutinho would also be a more cost-friendly option as current market values courtesy of transfermarkt.co.uk illustrate:
Luka Modric - £34.5m
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/luka-modric/profil/spieler_27992.html
Joao Moutinho - £20m
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/joao-moutinho/profil/spieler_29364.html
Halesini
03 Jul 2012 15:27:27
Id love us to sign 2 or 3 of these players
moutinho, modric ,cabaye or thiago
M'villa or witsel
Baines or a young lb would of liked to see alba but we misses out
Fischer, Henriquez, Gerard Deulofeu
Few signings for now and few for a couple of years before they get to expensive they would make a huge difference to are squad whats your thoughts?
MUFC94
I don't think we'll buy a CDM this season, we can play Jones there. I'd be happy with Modric and a lb. If I was being greedy i'd chuck Rodriguez in too but we won't get him this season.
RedDevil7
03 Jul 2012 14:38:31
What's the obsession with Baines? He's not good enough..
diego
Not sure there is an obsession. We are going to sign him by the look of it, he is better than Evra and has lots of premier league experience, so imo he is good enough.
GDS
There is no 'obsession' with Baines but it is looking likely that we will sign him and thats why people are including him in teams.
TK-Red
Better than evra.
TRUMORS
Not good enough ....Why because he is second fiddle in the international squad ? he is behind Ashley Cole who is probably the best left back in the world and has been for a few years and the best left back in Englands history at the end of the day Baines will be bought for one three reasons he is solid defensively and his set pieces are immense also he can cross a ball great something our fullbacks have always done but Evra and Rafael seem to fail at
He isn't my favourite choice but he does have a mean left foot.
RedDevil7
I hope we don't sign him. I'd prefer the Celtic lb.
diego
Diego
so who is good enough? by 'the boy from Celtic' I assume you mean Izaguirre - have you seen much of him?
Gav
03 Jul 2012 14:27:51
Sir Alex: More deals possible- MUTV
Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed there could be more signings during the transfer window as the club continues to work behind the scenes in that area.
The United boss suggested in an exclusive interview with MUTV that Shinji Kagawa and Nick Powell may not be the only arrivals this summer if his plans bear fruit. Despite intense media speculation, the Reds will continue to conduct any negotiations in private and it often proves to be a lengthy business.
When asked if he is hoping to make further additions, Sir Alex replied: "Yes, there's a possibility. We’re working on one or two things but there’s nothing really to tell you to be honest.
"We always try to get our work done at the end of the season – we spent a good deal of time sorting the deal with Shinji and we’d agreed a deal with Nick Powell before the play-offs which was a good move by us because the boy had an outstanding final at Wembley.
"When you don’t get deals done immediately and you’re negotiating with a club over a long period, then you can’t expect to just snap your fingers and get it done."
I had a feeling Powell was ours before the Play-off final. Poor Scousers thought they really had a chance signing him up to two weeks after this.
Sydney!
Lol. Quality comment from Great Uncle Fergus :)
Halesini
03 Jul 2012 14:26:09
SAF has said we are looking at "one or two" things concerning transfer ins. Good news, it's refreshing to not hear the usual no value guff.
SqueakyBum
03 Jul 2012 14:19:06
has any 1 got any news on pogba if he has signed for juventus woudnt utd put it on there webb page theres noyhing there yet i have a feeling he going to stay at utd fingers crossed
Saf has said pogba has signed for juventus :( Learch
03 Jul 2012 14:16:39
One would think a deal for Baines is fairly imminent now given the Fabio loan deal to QPR and the clock ticking before the Pre-Season Tour starts.
Centre Mid is a different kettle of fish as I imagine Modric remains the No.1 target. He is the only player in that position we have had a ‘confirmed’ bid noted for, albeit a rejected £22m.
My view is Uncle Fergus is considering Mouthinho and Cabaye as back-up to Modric though Mouthinho may be edging closer to Spurs now that AVB is in charge and Newcastle will strongly resist any overtures from us. However, a much bigger club and guaranteed Champs League / crack at the title plus a handsome wage increase are no doubt very appealing to the Frenchman.
I imagine that could take til deadline day to resolve though hence prepare for another potential Sneijdergate.
Some talk on here about Young being sold which I just done see happening. It would be very unlike Fergie to get rid of a player after only one season. His form has been patchy for sure but still a better option than Nani from a consistency perspective! We also have to consider the more defensive running he’s had to put in to cover for Evra’s now serious misjudgements in terms of positional play.
I do see us buying a winger but believe we are only in for James Rodriguez from Porto. Surely this would only come to pass though if Nani were sold ?
Whether we can pay the quoted £30m buy-out clause for Rodriguez, £30m for Modric, Moutinho or Cabaye and say £15m for Baines too remains to be seen.
That would be the biggest financial outlay in a season ever if memory serves i.e.
Kagawa £13.2m
Powell £4.4m
Baines (?) £15m
Modric (?) £30m
Rodriguez (?) £30m
I see Baines and Modric coming in though still have my doubts about Modric deal. I would prefer we went for Cabaye/Mouthinho first and had Modric as Plan B!
If the above players where all to come in though it would be a real statement of intent about not just winning back the title but having a major crack at Champs League next season.
Halesini
Moutinho or Cabaye will not be ''back ups'' for Modric. All three have different styles of play and would fit into a team very differently. Baines will most likely sign and then hopefully a midfielder. I'd love Moutinho at OT, he's exactly what we need and would allow Carrick a bit more freedom in the midfield so he can get forward and play around the opposition box which is where he likes to be. While it would be good to see Rodriguez at OT, I don't think we need him...we have two wingers for both sides of the pitch in Young, Valencia, Nani and Kagawa (who plays on the left for Japan sometimes). Obviously if Nani leaves we will need a winger, but I hope this doesn't come at the expense of a more important position like LB or CM. Personally i'd like to see SAF adopt a 4-2-3-1 and something along these lines of a starting 11...
De Gea
Rafael Vidic Evans Baines
Moutinho Carrick
Valencia Kagawa Nani/Young
Rooney
With that we still have some depth to the squad and could interchange some players as needed. Won't cost a bomb either!
Andy
Agree with the team posted but would always have Nani as a reserve rather than a first teamer. Rodriguez has the potential as a 21yo that we thought we were buying with Nani 5 years ago but its never quite materialised for him.
Can't see us buying Rodriguez unless Nani is sold as you suggest but we have apparently bid for him.
As for Mouthinho and Cabaye I appreciate these are different players / different playing options. Its those options I wish we pursuing first and if we could not get them, adopting a style that would suit Modric would be the 'back-up'.
Halesini
Andy
I disagree with your point on Moutinho/Cabaye. Sure, no 2 players play the game exactly the same way...but however you choose to dress it up - if we signed Modric or either of the other 2 it would be a direct replacement for Scholes in CM i.e. sitting alongside Carrick
In that sense they would be 'backup' options as we will only buy one of the three
Gav
03 Jul 2012 14:02:21
With all the centre midfielders being linked with us I was just wondering who united fans would love to see in the middle of the park. For me it would be Bastian Schweinsteiger I think he would be perfect for us. Would love to hear other peoples comments.
03 Jul 2012 13:25:32
three weeks ago no one on here was suggesting moutinho. Now every other post is about signing him. Motd fever much. {Ed004's Note - There is an element of MOTD fever playing its part but he has been a quality player for quite some time now.}
ED004
You have to admit his name was hardly mentioned on here but now he has a good EURO he's now better than Modric!
Simmo {Ed004's Note - I agree that's why I said there is an element of MOTD fever}
Me and shappy have touted him several times.
Alot of people are having MotD fever but there is no doubt he has talent just an awful attitude and zero loyalty.
The Moon.
I've mentioned him a few times as a possible target before the euro's. What I think the euros have shown is he can step up and take the mantle at the highest level. I wouldn't say he has an attitude problem but I do think he acted in a less than fair way with sporting when he left for porto.
Shappy
03 Jul 2012 13:22:14
Modric and M'vila
Modric and Cabaye
Cabaye and M'vila
Cabaye and Mourtinho
Mourtinho and M'vila
Mourtinho and Modric.
Mr Glazier has got his hands out of his pockets and says pick two.... Who do we pick?
I pick Modric and M'vila with a line up like this.
----------------DDG----------------
Rafael-----Vidic-----Smalling---Izzag
---------------M'vila----------------
-------Modric---------Cleverly------
--Valencia-----Rooney-------Nani---
That midfield would be incredible and would have the prefect balance, when Modric pushes up cleverly stays and vice verca. I know I havent put Kagawa in there yet as I am just trying to show how good the midfield could be and if i was going to put him in I would stick him in cleverly/nani's position. I would also have Evra first choice but I know I am a minority.
I could even push the boat out and stick Tony at RB, Nani RW and Kagawa LW but then I am just getting carried away.
I dont like to leave players out so my second team would be...
------------------Lindegaard-----------------
Smalling------Rio-------Evans/Jones------Evra
Nani--------Scholes-------Carrick-------Young
------------Welbeck------Pea----------------
Obv there are so many options but I think even the second team in that form could beat a few of the smaller teams.
Dream summer ins= Modric, M'vila, Kags, Powell and Izaguirre. (keep pogba)
Outs= Berbs, Macheda, Owen, Bebe, Kuschak.
Sorry for the post I am off work today bored out of my nut but feel free to chip away at what ever you like.
1redarmy
M'Vila and Modric would be fantastic signings.... and really change the dimension of our midfield...
would really like this to happen but some of the other posters that seem to have the odd contact her and there do not see us signing a dm, which is a shame as m'vila has really quality and could be available for 15m...... a steal i would say
oxred
Kagawa?
Red Rebel
Do you even follow united? You seem to have forgotten that we just bought the budasliga player of the year shinji kagawa. He is top class and you dont have him in your starting team or backup team??
GALWAY RED
Galway and Red rebel, did you even read the post? I said I havent added kagawa as the post was about CM, I went on to mention where I would play him and that it was hard to get everyone in.
How dare you question my faith to United without even reading my post.
1redarmy
1redarmy,
you should think before you post. why would you put cleverley in instead of kagawa. I dont know about all of youll but i know for a fact kagawa is better than cleverley.
Daniel
I would also pick Modric and M'Villa from those options, although I would still have Kagawa sitting in front of the pair. Cleverly wouldnt make my 'strongest 11' quite yet
Gav
03 Jul 2012 13:22:08
Does anyone know what numbers kagawa and powell will have?
03 Jul 2012 12:43:59
Paul Pogba !
If he stays he could turn into a quality player. I can see why he has been touted to be the next Patrick viera. If he leaves he will turn into carlton palmer . Now Paul do you wanna be doing celebrity come dine with me and getting naked with a man in a bath for a few quid here and there in a few years time . Or do you want to earn a successful career in football ?
Who's your agent swiss tony , even Derrick trotter would get you a better deal .
Don't be a plonker Paul RODNEY pogba
! DISNEY !
So the only way he can be a good player is if he stays at United? How stupid can you be, he could go anywhere and be a good player, United are not the only team who can make a player you know.
GDS
03 Jul 2012 12:38:59
I feel man city nd chelsea both wont be a big threat or united.. as man city cannot get better team than this... chelsea is a big question mark as they have only big players not a team. we looking for competing at UCL...
REDMAN
Cant understand your point squire
It's perfectly obvious what he means - if Chelsea don't get any better, then they won't get any worse than City because they are not going to be any better or worse than United who will definitely not be up or down depending on how you look at things. Ok ?
Stanley Unwin
03 Jul 2012 12:06:30
Man utd are hoping to do a deal for moutinho of around 17million+anderson going back to porto, they also want the deal done quick so he can go on pre season tour with baines kagawa and powell as the 4 signings this summer! {Ed004's Note - Wouldn't Moutinho be getting a break like the other United players that played in the Euro's}
Can't see that being the deal as Porto would want full cash.Also The euro 2012 players are joining up in the European leg of the tour. i.e Sweden,Norway and Peterborough (possibly hannover)
fearny
03 Jul 2012 11:44:14
My thoughts on the transfer activity thus far:
1. Powell;
I am not gonna lie, i haven't seen play yet, so am not gonna comment on him. I have heard lots of good stuff about him, so i hope he delivers.
2. Kagwa;
I have been watching dortmund games over the last couple of seasons and i definitely see kagwa bring lots of creativity to our team. Granted he is not yet as good as sneijder, but he will be. Anyways, i look forward to seeing the link-up play between him, rooney, cleverly and Nani.
Now on to the prospective signings:
Alot of people seen to think we will have atleast 2 more major signings i.e Modric and Rodriguez. Personally, i dont see this happening, especially if a left back is brought in.
Dont get me wrong, i see us "trying" to sign all of them but not succeeding. Practically, I think a left back maybe brought in along side one of:
-Modric/Moutinho/Cabaye
-J.Rod/ Munain
Basically i see either a midfielder or winger but not both.
_________________Gea
Rafa___Vidic/jones___Smallings/ferdy__Baines/evra
Valencia/Nani__Modric__Carrick/Cleverly_Young/Park
_________________Kagwa
_________________Rooney/Welbeck
Millz
I think modric or similar palyer is should be a must buy, and with fabio gone lb position needs strenthening but i think we have enough good wingers
Why does anyone keep quoting Rodwell as a Utd player Moyes has ruined him he hurts himself getting off the physios table
Pardoe
Pardoe
J.Rod is James Rodriguez, not Rodwell.
G.A.G.U.S
03 Jul 2012 11:20:05
Who ever comes in or goes out till SAF is incharge united will be stronger...
03 Jul 2012 10:46:59
What do you guys think of Oscar dos Santos Emboaba? He is looking to step up from the inferior portugal league. Played 10 odd games for Brazil national team could be our new attacking ronaldo as long as we sign him up at the right price. Also Tunnicliffe in the reserves is looking at increasing promise.
Inferior portugal league or Internactional in Brazil? Spurs are after him!!
03 Jul 2012 10:37:46
IN:
Kagawa - 12M
Moutinho - 25M
Cabaye - 20M
Baines - 12M
OUT:
Fabio - Loan
Berbatov - 9M
Macheda - 2M
Bebe - 0M
This would be amazing piece of business and surely bring home the epl and ucl!
GK De Gea
RB Valencia
CD Vidic
CD Smalling
LB Baines
RW Nani
CM Cabaye
CM Moutinho
ACM Kagawa
LW Young
CF Rooney
1 word . . . . Quality!!
Dodgy ACLs {Ed004's Note - The thing about the two CM's is that they both get stuck in so it could work}
I think this will happen except the Cabaye signing. Kagawa, Powell, Moutinho, Baines.
SqueakyBum
Missed out Powell for 4m :)
MG
No one ever wants toni in their team MR CONSISTENCY
Tony gets in before Nani surely ??
Halesini
03 Jul 2012 10:16:54
Who would everyone rather have? Modric or Mourtinho.
I would rather have Modric due to the fact he has been class since the day he joined the prem.
1redarmy
Cabaye
Jono
Mourtinho. Much like cabaye, he is a complete Midfielder, he can attack(goals and assists), defend(tackle and intercept) and pass the ball.
Millz
I knew someone would say Cabaye... I haven't even heard a true link about Cabaye anywhere. Is this just us fans being hopeful and pointing out a player who scored against us or is he a genuine target?
1redarmy
Jono,
For God sake we know, this is nothing to do with Cabaye!
GDS
Cabaye
Mouthinho
Modric
In that order. Tempted to say Mouthinho first given his strong performances in Euro 2012 however Cabaye has premiership experience whish should not be discounted.
Halesini
Modric
Gav
03 Jul 2012 10:14:02
Madrid look unlikely to get Modric due to price, PSG have signed Lavezzi for undisclosed fee, so surely PSG wouldn't make another large signing, so maybe Modric is ours? Just wondering.. PSG might have turned to Lavezzi I know he is a winger but I am just suggesting it.
The Sun also says we are making a bid for Moutiniho, I really hope this is true, but is most probabaly not going to happen. But I would prefer him to Modric IMO.
Who would you guys prefer? Moutinhio or Modric.
-JakeW {Ed004's Note - Modric}
I disagree with you there ed4.i don t think a midfield of kagaw,modric and carrick is strong enough in the tackle.i would much prefer cabaye or mountinho for this reason. {Ed004's Note - Maybe Jones? I think Modric is the better player but I believe we need to sign someone to partner him}
Modric, class player in a big league.
1redarmy
Modric. Has been consistanly good in the PL for 2 years. He has been the main target for a while I would have thought
Gav
03 Jul 2012 10:11:46
------------DDG------------
Rafa----Vidic--Small---Baines
-------Carrick--Moutinho----
Nani------Kagawa---Rodriguez
---------Rooney-------------
Simples.
MelonRed
I think that is what looksl likely, but Rodriguez may not happen.
RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - The only way that could be any better imo would be Izaguirre instead of Baines and sell Anderson to get M'Vila}
Ed004 you really are a big Izaguirre fan, I havent seen much of him but what is it that makes him stand out? Is he simular to what Evra was?
1redarmy {Ed004's Note - He is just a powerful player and a down to earth player. He is united quality and he is young. He is brilliant going forward but could improve defensively, however, he is still far better than Evra defensively. I can't think of any left back to every have won player of the season in their league, that is remarkable for a left back}
03 Jul 2012 09:18:43
Personally i would love to see either cabaye or Moutinho come in for utd. eds are we in the market for either of these? who would you prefer of the 2 guys?
if 1 of the above came in and a left back on top of kagawa and powell i think that would be a good summer.
thoughts?
Gus {Ed004's Note - Cabaye}
03 Jul 2012 10:03:42
Good to see that Petrucci has signed a new 3yr deal!
Hobbes
Havent heard this confirmed anywhere online. how do you know this information?
jomu
I heard it at work this morning, I think one of the Eds also mentioned it on the rumours page.
Hobbes
03 Jul 2012 09:02:57
So the Sun are running a story on Moutinho to United. Obviously, were all going to take it with a pinch of salt, but any truth in it would be great. i'd love to see him at Utd. If he can play that well against Spain he can play that well against anyone!
03 Jul 2012 05:11:20
Mr.KLOOT why are you always posting idiotic comments in this page.. if you are not interested then please dont post...
REDMAN
Aww, come on! It wouldn't be the same without RFT.
Plus you can't deny his passion for the club. I'm just happy when talks about something other than the owners!
M.D.
03 Jul 2012 02:21:25
Spurs want £40m for modric,i think its too much for him. on that kind of money we can get 2 very good player.my choice is moutinho £25m and witsel £15.then we can wait for the money from sales of players like anderson, berbatov,and some young player who want to leave.left foot winger(gaitan)
ferdcoast
I dont really rate Gaitan at all, I think he is another one of those players that had a decent game against us so is there by the best player we could buy.
I don't want Witsel as i think for a little bit more we could get M'vila and he would be class. We should throw everything we have at getting Modric and M'vila. They would instantly improve our team and I think a midfield three of Modric, M'vila and Cleverly/Carrick would be outstanding.
1redarmy {Ed004's Note - What about Kagawa? Though I have wanted Modric, M'Vila and Kagawa in a midfield 3 all summer. Or even Cabaye and Moutinho if we couldn't get Modric}
03 Jul 2012 00:37:40
Any thoughts on Ross Barkley of Everton ? he looks like a good prospect for the future and i'm sure he'd be a solid investment.
Personally if we get Modric i'd be pleased but i'm not getting my hopes up.For next season i'd like to have somebody like De Rossi in the middle of the park he tackles and passes well and i felt he had a good tournament at the euro's.
AVO
03 Jul 2012 00:24:28
According to talksport benfica going to cash in on witsel and only look 20 mill would be an fantastic signing dont know if it reliable tho
02 Jul 2012 23:35:04
I think if we do get Moutinho we better get him asap because I think AVB is appointed Tottenham manager it will be pretty difficult to convince him to come here.
Are you serious... One of the best teams in the world, with portugese speaking players already here, nani,fabio,rafael,anderson,bebe etc. and of course champions league football with a chance of winning trophies. And you think it will be hard to get him to join us over tottenham
fearny
Be the most useful thing Bebe has done since he joined.
Ferarny, you didn't even account that if AVB was manager of Tottenham that he had a slight advantage because he managed Moutinho before in Porto. It wouldn't be that easy.
02 Jul 2012 23:11:39
I am afraid Ste-Utd if you can't see the talent that Balotelli is then there is no hope for you. Within 5 years he will be winning the BallonDo'r . I AM KLOOT
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Haha. Deary me Kloot! If Balotelli ever wins the Ballon D'or, I'll run around Eastlands wearing nothing but a party hat over my d**k.
G.A.G.U.S
I agree G.A.G.U.S He is a good player but his attitude will never go and I still see the likes of Messi getting the reward.
-JakeW
I AM KLOOT
Thats hilarious...he will at his tenth club by then! He will never win that prize because his attitute is crap. Doesn't matter how good you are he will always fall out with managers, drift from club to club and generally cause mayhem wherever he goes.
Simmo
So because he is a man city player, he is not capable of being world-class. If you stopped looking at him through the red tinted glasses you would notice the ability this kid has. The only thing that holds him back is his attitude. If he gets that sorted out, he could win the Ballon D'or in about 4 or 5 years time.
Millz
You might have to prepare for that reality then G.A.G.U.S
Old Hippo
Millz
I mentioned nothing about Man City...i clearly said in my post it was his attitute that is wrong. Mancini was pulling his hair out with this kid last season, he's on he's 3rd or 4th chance already and he's only been there one season.
I think it's you that needs to take your blue tinted glasses off my friend.
Simmo
Simmo
I am a United fan, but that doesnt mean i cant be objective, does it? If you watched his euro performances you will notice his attitude was not as bad as it used to be. If he could carry that on at club level then who knows?
Millz
We never know could be , i think his attitude has improved a lot even during the euro
You guys are really funny. If Rooney can be the person he is now (attitude wise) then so can balotelli.
diego
Kloot - no, just no. How you can put Ballo up there with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo is beyond me. Sure he had a pretty good tournament but nothing more. He played poorly once or twice too. He looked good at points last year but Ballon D'or winner is a HUMUNGOUS shout based on what we've seen of him so far!
Millz - who mentioned City? Only you actually! Here you go if it makes you happy - Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany and Hart are some of the best players in their position in the world. Does that mean I think Ballotelli will be the best player in the world someday? Hell NO
Gav
02 Jul 2012 23:00:09
why cant fergi get fellani,and banies den send carrick and ando to everton(spelling pls) plus cash then get tiote and papi'scisse(spelling pls) from newcastastle utd then give dem little cash plus berbatov and give the no9 jersy to cisse no8 to kagawa and no16 to fellani no29 to banies 32 to powell then pogba sign a 4year deal with us i wil be so happy if any money is remaining we jst get modric or montinho then pear fellani,tiote/pogba in the cm then cisse,rooney up front i bet u guy we will go onbeaten all season epl,ucl,fa cup,carlin cup club world cup evry thing is ours i promise you if we get this people.up reds!!
Is there any point to such a post? Why not sell all the players and buy the Spanish side? Far too much football manager games I fear.
This post is ridiculous! So you want fergie to sign fellani Baines tiote and cisse and modric
20-25mil ( fellani )
20mil. ( tiote )
30mil ( modric )
12-15mil ( Baines )
Fergie will not spend 90mil!
I'd rather see witsel come in for 20mil with willems or Baines prefer willems tbh add that to kagawa and Powell
Deright
How arrogant can you get, even if SAF wanted those players what makes you think Everton and Newcastle would want our cast offs.
Is this a wind up or are you being serious?
phil
Turn off your playstation and go to bed its late!
REDP
I guarantee we will go unbeaten in the club world cup whatever happens. You are an person by the way and dreaming if you think all that will happen, why would the clubs just accept any of that, united don't control the other clubs.
GDS
WTF! I read till 'give Carrick to Everton' and then I stopped
Gav
02 Jul 2012 18:30:01
ED's - Is there any interest in Gonzo? Thanks,
Dori {Ed001's Note - well I did hear he was open to a move from the Muppet Show, but I have not heard of any United interest in him. It must be said, Henson is a notoriously difficult man to deal with, he will make United pay through the nose for Gonzo's services.....}
Hha best. Reply. Ever!!
I was thinking we could also put in a cheeky bid for Ernie and Bert also, they would be perfect to replace rafa and fabio in a couple of years
GALWAY RED
Classic
RK16
Couldn't have said it better myself ed. classic.
GDS
Your right there ed mate Henson would be differcult to deal with seeing as he's dead. But on a brighter note I think we should loom at animal or even a cheeky bid for kermit. Lol
Shappy
Yeh Ed! But if we are going down that route - Animal is my first choice any day of the week
Mike
If Animal can sort his attitude problems Within 5 years he will be winning the BallonDo'r.
02 Jul 2012 22:40:13
Is there any chance we might see kagawa on the left next season? Plus a out and out striker bought also another midfielder ie. RVP and Modric??
02 Jul 2012 22:38:42
Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed Shiji Kagawa will were the Iconic number 7 shirt.