Manchester United Banter Archive October 03 2014

03 Oct 2014 21:31:52
So LVG is going to play Mcnair against Everton really hope he makes the position his own tommorow with a good performance would be a breath of fresh for a decent defender at the club

03 Oct 2014 15:45:40
There's a lot of talk of selling some players especially mata and soon i think rvp will come into that group. So here's the thing. The plan is to have champions League next year, right? That would mean we'd have to play 4 competitions again. Have we forgotten how much strain that puts on a squad in one year of being without European football?
Do we just want to make it only to be something like Liverpool this year? They've spent huge money too and currently seem to be struggling in both competitions. We already have a reduced squad amd can't just keep buying because of the ffp.

In my opinion there are a lot of players that should go before those two. Young, Valencia, Cleverley, Anderson, Nani, Zaha etc should all go permanently.

If we go 4-3-3 then we don't really need either of them next season. Mata won't fit the formation and RVP will be behind Falcao, Rooney and possibly Wilson in the pecking order.

They are being paid a lot to be bit part players imo.

I know LVG wants to play Rooney deeper in that 4-3-3 formation but after a few weeks he will realise it is not worth it and we will be over stacked upfront if RVP is still with us.

Zaha could be useful as cover for one of the wide players, again depends how he progresses.

Beast
That, i can completely agree with. But are we surely moving towards the 4-3-3? For that we'd need more mfs and wingers.
For the sake of the system i wouldn't mind selling of big players. But then players at risk should include all three of mata, rvp and Rooney.

The 4-3-3 works best with goal scoring wingers without a doubt, otherwise it is too narrow. Falcao I think is our best striker so he should be the main striker. We would then potentially need a new wide forward to compete with Januzaj and Di Maria with Rooney dropping into the midfield 3 as the most advanced player alongside Herrera and Blind / new signing.

Fresh
Here's the thing though. If we're trying for a perfect squad position for position, then why treat Rooney special? He's not a midfielder. Wouldn't a midfield of hererra, blind plus someone like strootman/vidal do better?

They probably would but he is now captain and 'undroppable'. I also feel that he does add a goal threat from the midfield 3 and would do a decent job.

I don't think rooneys role in a 4-3-3 would change that much from what it is now and i think he will get 20 + goals from there

IMBS - For the wages and his square peg-nes I would sell Rooney in a heart beat. However LVG thinks the exact opposite so there is no point in us speculating on Rooney. Best for us to predict with the one certainty factored in and that is Rooney will be playing in any formation according to the gaffer. Therefore it has to be RVP and Mata that have their roles at the club analysed if we sign Falcao on a permanent.

They are too good for the bench and on too much money to be bit parts.

I think we need two wide attackers if we go 4-3-3 as we sold Welbeck who could have adequately covered that position if necessary. This is why I couldn't understand the logic in his sale. But if he wanted to start every week then he had to be moved on.

Old Trafford just feels bigger and his slowness really stands out when we are at home to me, psychological. But yeah you are right again Jred.

Beast
No idea what i'm right about .
But your right i am right ☺

Beast; as far as your first point, I have to agree. However that theory relies on us sticking with a 4-3-3 game in, game out. Whereas if we were to keep those players it would give us scope to adapt our 11 each week if necessary, and I imagine LvG would see the options available by keeping all of them an attractive one. I know I do. So long as we can do that and keep them all happy.

Flappington - Yes it's important to be able to adapt tactics dependent on availability and opposition. The trouble is that 4-3-3 is so different to the 3-5-2 that we would need so many versatile players that we would lack the overall quality needed to compete at the very top.

I don't mind having a few jack of all trades in the team like Blind & Rojo for example, who are good players but not world class, you can afford a couple of those to enable flexibility. Our wage structure is such that to have top class players for every possible position for each of those formations would be practically impossible, let alone cover for those roles with an injury or two.

Squad harmony would also be a massive issue. If we have a run of 3-4 games where 4-3-3 is needed, that would mean a lot of time on the side line for some expensive and top quality players, same goes if we went with 3 at the back.

We need to build for our primary formation and have squad players able to adapt not world class ones because FFP wouldn't allow it nor would agents.

03 Oct 2014 13:29:31
One for Ed007 if he's around.

Hey mate,

Me again. Look, I know it's been a while, but I just wanted to apologise for my rant at you a few weeks back. I think we both misunderstood each other and I just got annoyed.

It's no excuse of course but my wife had just been taken into hospital and we had just lost out on a new house having dumped a few grand into the process, I was just royally pissed off at everything and venturing onto the interweb was probably a very bad idea!

Anyway, hopefully no hard feelings, and I apologise for getting angry at the time.

All the best mate.

Steve (RedDawn)

{Ed007's Note - Cheers but don't be worrying about it, Steve, I actually had to look back to see what we were 'debating'. Forget about it pal, I hope your Mrs is keeping better and you get a house sorted.}

03 Oct 2014 14:37:44
Ed07 is Scottish and we all know they don't hold grudges 😝 lol

I bet Ed 007 is the one who Gazumped you RedDawn!

Seriously I hope things turn out ok mate.