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05 Apr 2014 17:45:13
great performance from the lads today. fellaini? stil not convinced. but plenty of the lads gave the manager something to think about from GK all the way to the striker

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17 Feb 2014 18:14:28
with all this talk of massive rebuilding and recruitment in the summer, is any one worried?
1- its world cup most massive players will be on audition and without champ league football in the bag it might b difficult to attract them.
2- if bayern retains the champ league. what repurcussion will this have on other big clubs like real, barca even psg. would thy have a bigger command on the transfer market?
3- if Rooney signs the bumper contract and have a poor wc but rvp does better. how would we keep him? surely we would have to offer huge wages. would that have an effect on the debt situation?

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1.) I think the third point is irrelevant, the second one - it really doesn't make a difference who wins the CL in my opinion. And one season out of the CL won't hurt us too badly, players are still drawn to Manchester United for what it is.


2.) None are relevant points.You guys seem to forget football is more than the 10 names that suddenly become media darlings. There are 32 teams and I believe 24 players each on show at the world cup. FFP will make it difficult for many teams to go about stuff this umber than previously and I believe you will see the big teams also selling players before buying.

It is not as easy as collecting cars or watches mate, some are already struggling keeping their squads happy as too many big ego's to make happy.


3.) Not worried at all mate. Money talks and Utd have lots to spend.


 

 

17 Feb 2014 04:49:44
ed its the Seychelles man here. I couldn't help but notice that your a kagawa fan. how do u c the future panning out for him here at old trafford.
secondly wher the hell is nani. he seems to be the forgotten men. with all his versatility why couldn't the manager find a new role for him instead of sticking him on the wings. wasn't moyes who recently gave him a new contract if am not mistaken?

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{Ed004's Note - Firstly I think Kagawa will be sold unfortunately. I think he is a fantastic player who was never given a chance and think he's been treated horribly. Secondly Nani is injured though should be back in within the month. Id like to see a game were Mata, Kagawa and Nani line up behind either Rooney or RVP}


1.) I too envisage Kagawa leaving, and I too would like to see Mata, Kagawa and Nani start, they apart from Januzaj, are our most technically gifted players. I still maintain that Nani should have a future, when he is confident he is unstoppable like in 2008. He is by far and away, along with Januzaj, our most effective player from the right hand side. Have him on the right, Mata left feeding Rooney and RVP and things would pick up. Then options of Kagawa and Januzaj to rotate with. He's a better option than Young, Valencia or signing a mediocre winger which I fear we may do.


2.) If rooney had been sold and there were two decent centre mid we might have seen the best of kagawa what a shame moyes has tretted him so shabily its beyond compehenshion him and mata love to see that let's hope before end off season don't think so though same boring 4 4 2


3.) 17 Feb 2014 12:15:09
I agree with the ed he's been treated horribly. But I think if moyes gets in the midfield he wants and changes the teams style he will be a useful player. Also commercially he's very valuable. I'm hoping he doesn't leave as there's half a dozen that should be out the door ahead of him.

And Nani should be second of those out the door, useless player.


4.) 17 Feb 2014 12:17:28
Fresh that was 6 years ago you can't say nani has had no confidence for 6 years!

I would to see Mata and kagawa in the same team, both on the same wavelength.


5.) Nani has been out of favour with SAF and we have tried to sell him every year since. That's not something that will give you much belief if you're club is trying to sell you.


6.) LOL give Nani another chance we sure Ben isn't Percy?

Nani is rubbish he's always been crap and always will be


7.) The worst feeeling u will get fresh is not that your club wants to sell u but that no clubs wants to buy u.
i love nani. I why think he never got fa chance to be himself. he was always being shaped and compared to the next ronaldo.


8.) 17 Feb 2014 13:01:37
Fresh and the reason they've been trying to sell him?

He isn't good enough. His decision making is poor, he loses possession far too much and his crossing for a winger is woeful. My gran could take a corner that clears the first man and she's 98 in four months.

It also says something that in 3-4 years on the market only Zenit and Galatasaray have bothered to bid.

The new contract was to protect his value rather than him doing one a free but he needs to be second out the door this year behind fellow flop Anderson.


9.) Sadly whilst we continue to play both rvp and Rooney we will not see the best of Kagawa and potentially mata too. Playing kags on the wing and expecting him to be like Valencia is not his style and until we play one up top (rvp/rooney) with three behind (kagawa/mata/januzaj)then we will not see his true ability.personally of the front men I would pick Rooney first purely down to him being better at chasing down opponents as we are obviously try to close down opponents quickly(although ageing limbs in our squad is making this difficult). I hope Kagawa stays and we change styles but fear this may not happen.


10.) Nani is one of the most naturally gifted players in the league, but that does not make him a great player. His inconsistency is always going to get the better of him.

Kagawa is in a similar situation. The difference is Kagawa never got a fair shot in his best position. And even when he did, playing with the likes of Valencia and Young hugging the touchline, and Carrick and Cleverley playing too deep, he never had anyone to link up with, and I for one would be very, very disappointed if he was to be moved on without trying him in a system that suits his strengths. He has poven himself to be a consistent, very productive player at Dortmund and deserves more chances.


11.) Ed04.

see now that is what I would like to see. and then maybe next season

isco/reus on the left of the 3 mata to the right and kags in the middle.

remember moyes at half time changing jan and kags and watching kags as he went from 45 mins of in and out to 45 mins of being the focal point and helping us score 2 in that 45 and finally thinking moyes had that inspirational moment that would transform our season.

sadly it only lasted 45mins and kags was on the bench the following week and moyes reverted back to his normal boring self.


12.) Nani? Just No.


13.) 17 Feb 2014 13:34:55
I think at times as a club we can be too loyal. I applaud what we've done for Fletcher standing by him when other clubs would have ruthlessly ditched him.

But the flip side of that is you get a situation like Evra. I remember Sydney and others saying 4 years ago Evra was becoming a problem. Yet nothing was done and the decline has been shocking. Surely in 4 years we could have replaced him and found better back up than Buttner.

And so it is with Nani and Anderson. These two along with Hargreaves were supposed to be replacements for Keane, Scholes and Giggs but all failed for differing reasons. Hargreaves through chronic injuries, Anderson through a combination of poor self discipline and mismanaged development (he would have been great as old Scholes of 99 but Fergie tried to turn him into Scholes of 2005) and Nani just didn't develop as expected.

Both of them should have gone two years. People keep going give them one more chance. Why? Someone like Mourinho (and i'm not a Jose fan) would have got rid straight away.


14.) Everyone seems to forget that Nani is very high up on the list of assists on the last 6 years, much higher up than many preferred names. He gets bad press but is so much better than Young and Valencia.


15.) Carvalho is apparently a great admirer of Nani. If Moyes is as interested in him as has been reported, then it would be difficult to let Nani go.


 

 

16 Feb 2014 13:35:15
rvp & rooney should both stay. what moyes need to do is to get them competing
whoever performs bettet should start. therez a reason we have substitution in a match. we should opt for only one striker. janujaz mata and kagz r all intelligent footballer who can interchange and create for any of the striker. they r all equally good at converting as well. we need to mix up our play a little bit. its our predictability that is our problem. add that with a lil bit of low confidence.

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1.) Neither of them would want to play second fiddle


 

 

15 Feb 2014 21:31:13
thanx guys for responding to the post. personally, I believe fergie was planning life without roo. kagawa was being groomed to take over in the #10 role. but things have changed. moyes wants Rooney as his main man. he has wrapped an arm around him and has got the best od him so far. however this has upset the chemistry of the team. when your a good team u flood your team with superstars. u don't substitute them. Moyes needed to rotate mata with kagawa or janujaz. he has frozen kagawa out. why not try kagawa with mata or other combinations. clearly kagawa has an exceptional football brain and offers more than our wingers do. what do we have to lose?

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1.) Ben it appears to me Moyes doesn't fancy Kags he isn't strong enough imo


2.) Not strong enough? hmm is this boxing? kidding mate. ashley young, silva, Mata, Oscar? didn't kags play in the german league and got player of the year or something? il give it a rest. Moyes doesn't fancy him. just gona leave it at that but can't stop thinking about his hat trick. that was excitement. so far no one in the team has brought any excitement :in our play. guess I don't fancy Moyes


 

 

 

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The worst feeeling u will get fresh is not that your club wants to sell u but that no clubs wants to buy u.
i love nani. I why think he never got fa chance to be himself. he was always being shaped and compared to the next ronaldo.

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Not strong enough? hmm is this boxing? kidding mate. ashley young, silva, Mata, Oscar? didn't kags play in the german league and got player of the year or something? il give it a rest. Moyes doesn't fancy him. just gona leave it at that but can't stop thinking about his hat trick. that was excitement. so far no one in the team has brought any excitement :in our play. guess I don't fancy Moyes

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