Manchester United Banter Archive May 01 2014

01 May 2014 22:12:37
Garay looked a class act once again tonight

01 May 2014 23:17:05
Can't disagree there Bilko.
I heard a rumour that 'dithering dave' decided not to sign him too soon as the player was spotted driving 2 different cars to training on successive days. DM ordered further scouting for 6 months to rule out the possibility of schizophrenia. ;o)

Brilliant performance again, Benfica have only conceded 15 in the League all season, he and Luisao have been paramount to that success. He or Hummels for me.

01 May 2014 20:25:40
GCU
Seen your comment, its grand mate'
On another note, cavani is an excellent footballer, .though lacks the arrogance to be a world beater. LvG IMO would bring out.the very best of him.

01 May 2014 18:24:11
Is it only me who thinks appointing Van Gaal would be a bad thing?

Feels like we just want somebody in post with a big name - need the right person not just the person available.

{Ed004's Note - He's a big name yes, but only cause he has the right credentials for this club. He likes to play with strong wingers something us fans were used to under ferguson only difference is he focuses more on midfield as well I think he will be perfect for us}

Tactically astute, excellent c.v with a history of winning, takes no nonsense from big egos, brings threw the youth and gets the best out of his players, and is also a bit of a loonatic with fear a factor around him. what's not to like?

01 May 2014 16:44:56
So we are near the end of the season with just 2 weeks to go so what do you guys think who was the best signing and best bargain of this season. For me
Best signing- matic, I know a lot of people wil fancy big names but for me he is perfect for chelsea and against city he kept yaya toure( probably d second best player after suarez this season) in his pocket.

Best bargain-Lukaku

{Ed004's Note - Fernandinho and Bony}

Matic is very slow, slower than the likes of Strootman and offers less.

Lukaku didn't come cheap either, certainly not a bargain, unless you mean a bargain for Everton?

I would say Negredo for £16m was a bargain and the best buy.

Best signing is Willian for me. Fantastic pretty much every time I've watched him this season and scored a few special goals to boot.

Bargain of the season would be Christian Eriksen. I appreciate that £10m isn't 'cheap' - but considering how much players go for these days - to get a player of Eriksen's quality for that little is a steal. They'll treble their money when they come to sell him in a few seasons time!

Worst signing is a three way tie between Fellaini, Andreas Cornelius and Pablo Osvaldo.

Syd
Lukaku a bargain for everton ofcourse and I agree that matic is slow but I said he is perfct for chelsea with d role mou gave him and chelsea have improvd after he came espcly with the tactics mou employe aganist big teams. He was missed by them in champions league.

Januzaj surely? Like a new signing anyway.

Sid, I guess. Matic don't need to be fast when the Chelsea Bus is being parked.

Bang on Redseven, Willian and Erikson for me too.

I think when levy sells eriksen for 30m+ in a couple of years, we'll realise how much of a bargain he was.

I think Eriksen will be sold this summer and it won't be for anything close to £30m.

Long and Jelavic have been brilliant buys for Hull and have gone a long way to keeping them in the Premiership.

01 May 2014 23:47:08
Best signing. Tony pulis by crystal palace. Player willian
Best Bargin. Long Hull scores his fair share and runs the lines very well

Best Manager Pullis, Best new signing given price I would have to say Erickson. Fo 10 million he is everything cleverly is not so I reckon young tom cleverly is not.

Erickson ran rings around our flavour of the week boy Strootman last year when they played each other and looked like bolt in terms of speed compared to Strootman.

Lol Shahram, I remember the game PSV vs Ajax. Erickson schooled Strootman, that at a time when half of this site were wetting themselves over Kevin.That said even Strootman would have been an improvement LOL.

Deeps.

Deeps

This site tends to be like Baskin and Robbins flavour of the week come every transfer Window.


The press rights up all kinds of bs and people here make some of the most average players seem like we are about to sign Messi. Same goes with our youth players, you would think we have 5 or 6 Ronaldo's coming through in the next 5 years :)

I have watched Strootman this year 3 or 4 times before he got injured and believe or not since he has been out Roma is playing better and even a meaner defence. Sometimes a player being out of side actually works for the team lol.

Writes up

01 May 2014 16:04:12
A hypothetical question here, Reus or Harzard? If Reus came in next season who would have the better season our the two of them and who would you prefer to see in a United shirt? Reus for me, but both along with RVP in a front three would be pretty good haha.

Reus, I think Hazard is a good player don't get me wrong, but he hasn't exactly turned out to be what people expected. But he's still young.

Reus is a magnificent player, but Hazard is a step above imo.

Sydney

Hazzard all day

Hazard all day for me unfortunately, has grown so much this season and can still improve more. I have no doubt a future ballon dor contender. Wouldn't be surprised to see him move to psg or even bayern when ribery and robben leave

Hazard. Younger, better and EPL proven.

They are both good players but Reus hands down for me.

Just look at his display against R Madrid then look at Hazard against A Madrid. 1 looked world class the other didn't. Yeah you can say he wasn't fully fit but he hasn't produced the levels of Reus against the best teams in the world. Yes he's younger and in time will get better but it's a no contest for me.

I know many would disagree with me but i'd have reus all day long, I've watched him develop for a while now and would anyone to name me a better out and out winger.

Hazard has tremendous potential but 2 things I think of:

1. He doesn't take the game by the scruff of the neck, he plays well when chelsea do and not the other way around.

2. I really feel he should be in a more traditionally attacking team to showcase himself.

Just my opinion though :)

Hazard is a a better player, and will be world class. But Reus is the player I'd prefer at United for the simple reason that Hazard always has one eye on a move to Spain.

01 May 2014 10:05:14
ED do you think we can use(will use) Kagawa in any deal for Reus?

Also, is there no interest in Coentrao anymore?

{Ed002's Note - I am done with the page for a while. It is clearly not worth sharing anything at all given the amount of grief. Try again in a week or two.}

Vegetables again ed?

They ruin it for all of us.

A good source who comes highly recommended by Andersred. I think Pardoe may follow him, he's called Pilib de Brun. A journalist based in America. Called the Moyes sacking a couple weeks before it happened. He says Shaw is a cert. MU want Reus. LvG will be confirmed soon, but they are a little concerned with some of his demands. Up to whoever if they believe him, but he isn't one of these "secret agent" people.

The more I learn about LVG, the more I don't want him any where near the club.

@Samthered - is it the attacking football, the Champions League winning medal or the Spanish, Dutch and German Leagues winners medals you don't want?

Maybe we should go back to Moyes?

Successful managers are a pain the ar@e and will have high demands just as we have high expectations of them. They're entitled to them given their success tho.

I think Van Gaal will be a great move. We won't see instant success but at least you will be able to see a coherent football philosophy that's tried tested and successful.

I can only guess what demands are holding stuff up, but if I was a betting man I would say he wants to bring in more coaching staff than MU want. I think MU want Giggs to have a position in the coaching staff with a view of replacing him in three years time. But like I said, it's just a guess :)

ED can you please tell me what I did wrong here?

{Ed004's Note - Wasn't your post mate}

If the hold up is about the potential backroom staff then I have to question the club. Why did you allow completely new coaches to come in with moyes and disrupt the team and (apparently) have a problem with a proven winner wanting to bring his own men in? Its completely unreasonable to think we can control who our next manager has beside him.
i agree that giggs should stay within the club being the huge icon that he is.

If these reports are true i.can only imagine what giggs might be thinking, giggs will probably know he is not quite ready for such a huge job

Sparky, by all accounts the club were really worried that Moyes wanted to replace the backroom staff. But because they had handed him a 6 year contract, and the players were already a bit concerned about appointing someone with no winning credentials, they could not block his first major move.

Fergie even thought Moyes would keep his staff, but when Moyes decided to bring in his band of yes men, the club was stuck with it. This time they want to make sure that there a few people on the staff who have worked in the club for years. I'd wager that the conflict is about Giggs's role in the new set-up.

Sorry It's got that way again for Ed0002.

LVG will have his demands and don't be surprised if it includes big decisions/changes we all might baulk at.

LVG or any manager worth his salt, will be a strong characters, and if we want him and success back at our club we should be prepared accept it. Just like our Ed's rules, we respect his insights, then we should accept his rules.

Danny,

i understand what you mean mate, I would and am sure most United supporters would prefer Giggs to take up a good role within the club.

i would have thought Moyes would have been told 'no' outright if they thought it could bring complications. the manager should be in control of everything and if giggs doesn't fit his plans that's something we will all have to live with for the good of the team.

i for the record hope that these reports are inaccurate and that whoever welcomes Giggsy as a member of his coaching staff :)

Sparky, the plan is to have Giggs working under the next manager, then to takeover in the future. So he will need to be involved one way or another. That is obviously what the hold up is. It should be resolved within a few days as time is running out.

Sydney

I don't know who the journalist is but I have from someone else and posted months ago that Shaw was number one target and we would make a bid for Reus in the summer. I do not believe Garay or Carvalho are by any means a certainty and if I was a betting man neither would come in and our interest lies elsewhere:)

{Ed004's Note - I reckon a left hand side of Reus and Shaw would be fantastic and a right hand side of Januzaj and Rafael would be very good as well. I'm hoping we move for Carvalho and Garay as it would make us a lot more solid defensively and improve us offensively as Garay is very dangerous in the air and a brilliant passer of the ball. Also Carvalho is good in the air}

Would lvg or any manager want to work with someone who was lined up of after his job

{Ed004's Note - Tbf when was LvG at a team for over 4 years?}

I think Giggs is definitely the delay. LVG wants to bring in Patrick Kluivert as his assitant, Danny Blind as a coach, Frans Hoek as keeper, his analyst Max Reekers and Jos van Dijk his physio (apparently). United want Giggs, if not more involved like Scholes. I don't think LVG will have any problems working with Giggs though. It's like Ancelotti and Zidane at Madrid.

Syd,

And what if giggs doesn't fit the new managers plans?

I would rather have a big confident manager who could sort out our team then (potentially) have any manager who would take giggs under his wing.

This is all speculation and personally wouldn't imagine there would be toi much problems anyway :)

Jred, rumours suggest it's only a three year contract being offered to LvG.

Fresh, that's why Ancelotti would be perfect for what the club have planned.

Sparky, MU are 'apparently' looking for a manager who will work with Giggs for the reasons I have said. If LvG doesn't want Giggs, then there's got to be a chance that MU will not want LvG.

It will all figure itself out. I suspect Giggs will have a role to play under LvG.

Syd
It about the length of contract I would offer any manager to be honest they don't stop at clubs that long these days

Jred, I couldn't agree more. If a manager wants to leave they will leave regardless of being under contract. Three years is plenty.

Does anyone know if LVG likes to have complete control of everything like moyes. Or likes to delegate roles to other people like ferguson?

Jred

Giggs is so far out of his depth that I find this whole thing amusing. The glazers are not going to trust their investment to a guy who has coached one game against the worst team in the league.

Gcu
Its a nice idea but I would go for a proven manager with European experience every time.
I though robson and kean would be future united managers but neither turned out to be good enough.
People wanted solskjaer 12 month ago, it would be a gamble to give it to giggs imo

Giggs is no more out of his depth than Moyes was. Giggs knows how to win a title, he knows how to win the UCL, he has been doing his coaching badges and working with SAF for years now. Giggs will be MU manager in three years time, you mark my words. He will work under LvG and replace him in a few years. I can feel it in my bones Shahram :)

I am more on GCU's side with this. Giggs is certainly not ready now and it would need major changes in the management structure towards a coach rather than a manager for us to give Giggs a chance in two to three years time.
I think the LvG bandwagon is interesting because for me he is very good but there are better out there. This certainly isn't the scenario we had with Moyes because I believe they got their fingers burned badly on that. For me if Klopp is not interested then next up should be Ancelotti, even Simeone to come in before LvG. The decision needs to be right and LvG will be good but surely if there is a chance at the others we should examine it first.

Redman, the timing is important though because of needing so many changes in playing personel and the world cup.

Van Gaal is available now whereas the earliest the others could be available is at the end of the season. van Gaal could identify his targets so the club can get a running start come the transfer window. Normally that wouldn't matter so much but this transfer window is critical.

Am I saying availability should be a deciding factor? Yes, because it doesn't matter how much better anyone might think the alternatives are if they are not available when they are needed. In fact we don't even know if they are available at all.

Furthermore, if we mess around with van gaal waiting for alternatives which might not happen, there's a chance we'll lose the opportunity of getting him.

Andrew

Interesting comments from Soriano in a book on Van Gaal at City a long way before Moyes was sacked "Louis van Gaal has won titles with different teams, big and small, and he’s thought to have little empathy and social skills.
‘I couldn’t help but smile when I heard Uli Hoeness, Bayern Munich’s [then] technical director, explain why Van Gaal wouldn’t continue to coach the Bavarian team: “Van Gaal doesn’t listen, it has to be whatever he says”.

If the others agents are saying there is no interest then we should consider him but his tenure would unlikely to be long term and I would not want to see a ridiculously long contract again

The more i learn about van gaal, the more he sounds like a dutch fergie. maybe we need his kind of personality to force through all the necessary changes, particularly making improvements to the playing staff.

there might not be much choice in available managers right now. it could be a straight pick between van gaal or warnock

i don't think he'll get a long contract. maybe 3 or 4 years to start?

We eed a manager to change stuff, with our current players we will win nothing. If it takes a dictator but great football brain to do it, so be it.

Don't get me wrong I think LvG has the stature to turn us around and if we had gone for him 12 months ago there wouldn't have been the mess. It does need a strong leader I just have two that I think are a better fit. But love the fact we are going to get someone with the relevant experience

01 May 2014 08:22:02
well this is the first time in 7 years that neither us or Bayern are in the CL final.

Amazing the impacts that new managers can have.

I don't think it's the fact you changed managers, it's because you didn't just lose any manager you lost Fergie, you'll never experience such great sustained success again.

Plymouth, we will be MUCH better next season.

I don't doubt that Syd, but you won't experience the sustained success of the Fergie era again.

Plymouth, to be fair no one will dominate this league again. With Chelsea & City having unlimited funds it will always be tough finishing ahead of these pair. But on the other hand we will have massive funds this summer and depending on who we sign, depends on how much more we will improve.

We have more money than Man City or Chelsea just don't spend as much biggest fan base in the world or rivaling real madrid at least

30 Apr 2014 23:48:14
Ed what happened to the thread about adidas / nike etc? Seemed harmless enough?

{Ed002's Note - The vegetables got at it.}

Hate that. My vegetables hate kids.

GAGUS.

Do your kids hate vegetables? OR do your vegetables really hate kids?