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30 Aug 2013 15:31:00
Right I've tried keeping my mouth shut all summer, I've supported United for 40 years now for those of you who don't understand what it is to be a football supporter not just a united supporter here we go.

Like everything else football is swings and roundabouts lads, we have dominated since 93 it will end eventually that's life, what we have always dine though is relied on our youth policy, for those of you who can't remember the 70's and 80's we were crap properly crap, the scousers where top dogs, some of you need to understand that.

I read this everyday and apart from a few you're so negative its untrue, the same people who are constantly whinging about signings ate the same people who rave about our youth coming through, how are they supposed to come through when we buy every season a young foreign player and block our own lads, does pogba ring a bell, so lighten up and support the club, if we spiral into the championship and even into the confrence ill still be there WILL YOU.

If it means a couple of years of nothing the back to winning ways the traditional united way with homegrown players then all the better in my opinion, rant over.

1.) Maybe that's why Athletic Bilbao are never in the running to win the La Liga.

2.) Another man who's jib I like the cut of.

StevieK

3.) Stevie

I recall 1970 and just before and then there were some saying watch our youth come through. I remember Sammy McIlroy being touted as our next great but wasn't. If you like I went through the seventies and eighties then I am surprised you are not worried that from a position of power we could let it slide in one window. They are all out there rubbing their hands in glee to see us slide and if we accept that and think don't worry it won't happen to us then we become what my fear is, Liverpool 1990 and it will come good next year. In the seventies they called us the going to team the team that was going to win it next year. Once you accept a slide it is hard to recover and having suffered 26 years of pain I don't accept the club sitting back not spending so our debts can be paid off a bit quicker.
This window it was vital we spent well or face a potential slide, after all in my 45 years of supporting I have seen the warning signs and so should you have done.

Again I will wait until the window closes to judge but the owners have no excuses any more

4.) Amen to that stevie. Good post mate

We have been completely spoilt with the success we have had over the past twenty years and there are so many supporters who have never experienced what it is to go through the grinder like some of us older ones have.

Sustained success can only ever be achieved if a club can regularly produce some of its own talent who truely understand what it the club is all about.

5.) Rubbish. we lost Pogba because Fergie was to stubborn and wouldn't play him.
He insisted in playing a 39 year old Ryan Giggs and a 37 year old Paul Scholes who are way past there best.
What was Pogba supposed to do, wait another two years until Giggs and Scholes retire.
The fact of the matter is that we are desperate for midfileders and have been for 3-4 seasons now.
All we are asking is that we sign a player for the position that we are desperate for, there is nothing coming though the youth that is good enough to step up to the first team in that cenmtal midfield area.

6.) I was born in the 80's so can't remember them. been supporting United since I was 12 really, so yes I've been spoiled with the success. Dad is a Port Vale fan, and I went a few times as a kid so watching Vale as a kid its true I know very little about football.

I freely admit I would not travel down from Scotland (where I now live) as often if we were conference. As for developing young players I could not agree more, but I think that's more down to managers fear of failure than supporters.

I really hope that Zaha and Janujaz get plenty of game time this year, they need it to develop. Sadly I fear they will not.

Now back to transfers. We all have players we would love to see at United. Surely as a rumour/banter site this is a good place to share them. Do I believe that Vidal is a better player than Ronaldo? no. Do I believe would be a better signing for us than Ronaldo? yes. because he fills the position we have been missing for at least 5 years. Anyone watching Spanish football last year had to be impressed with Alcantara's control and passing. and I'm a big fan of Baines so these 3 would have been ideal for me. We have signed none of the above so far I'll be at Liverpool on Sunday. Hope you will too.

7.) Steve

We are all to a man moaning about our CM the same moan that has grumbled on here for 8 and almost 9 windows since our first spanking by Barcelona.

Now since then 1 cmer in pogba has came through that could play for our first team and make a difference but SAF stubbornness and other reasons led him to leave, not because we were signing new players instead of playing him (I'm not counting scholes).

So here we are with a new manager who has already said himself the midfields light and still no youth cmers knocking on the door and also amateurish bids and transfer sagas that have taken stupidly too long and we are 3 days from no reinforcement in the area games are won and lost, again.

There are endless names who could improve our cm and it is needed now! We cannot wait any longer for a youth teamed who will be 3-4 years away from helping us!

8.) Redman, I appreciate that mate, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win something for a season or two. It may seem like it to some of the spoilt little princesses on here, but we've been through much, much worse as a club, which I think was one of the poster's points.

The world won't end on Mon 2nd September, unless there's some correlation in the stars I don't know about, and we'll carry on challenging for titles, with or without new faces, because that's what we do.

Some on here have this fear of doing a Liverpool. We are not Liverpool - we never had the Spice Boys, we have an ethos of team spirit, fighting for everything and trusting our youth, that is ingrained in the fabric of the club.

Id just ask you to take a step back and have a cold, hard look at some of the hysterical rantings on this site lately, and try and appreciate why some of us despair at the type of fans we seem to attract.

Mate, one window is not the be all and end all, and it will not start some domino-effect descent into mid-table mediocrity.

And even if it did, which I think was another of the poster's points, well, we'd just carry on supporting them as always, take the abuse on the chin and with a bit of class, unlike that Scouse mob, because we know it used to be much worse. And we'd come back again for more.

After all, and I know you wouldn't think it to hear the likes of Simmo below and the rest of the 'sky is going to fall in' crowd, it's really not the be all and end all in life.

I love this club as much as anyone, but there really are much more important things in life to be shouting and frothing at the mouth about.

That's not meant to sound patronising to you Redman, because you're one of the posters I take the time to read, but some people on here are obviously still quite young, and maybe don't have their own families etc, so football is still the centre of their universe. And it shows in their posts. I used to feel like that too.

Others have joined our club from much further afield, and sometimes they can be even more fanatical than the home-grown fans (I include myself in home-grown, KLOOT, by the way, even though I'm from Ulster!)

I guess I just want everyone to quit with the moaning and just enjoy supporting the club.

I would worry more about what the Glazer's are doing to our club, than any transfer window.

ps. this wasn't meant to go on this long :)

9.) Spot on simmo, why let ourselves fall down the table, just so we can say "We did it our way". I take it Stevie that you didn't enjoy any of the success we've enjoyed in recent years? And if we were to fall down the table would the talented youth be attracted by us anymore, or would they see city or chelsea a better option? We don't want to become a feeder club. We have been struggling in midfield for years and have no real prospects for cm in the youth team. So let's just spend some of the money that SAF has pretty much single handedly generated for this great club over the past 20 years and continue to be great for years. And by the way I'm only 27 so don't remember us in the 70s, but that doesn't mean in not a true football fan. And YES of course I would support the team regardless of what league we were in, and I find it very disrespectful for you to make any kind of assumptions about what "kind" of fan any of us are. Who's to say your a bigger fan than we are just because your older?

10.) Stevie k thanks for understanding my rant mate, I'm not belittling any fellow supporters or daying I'm better because i'm older, I'm saying we have 4 or 5 young players coming through who given playing time could be the answer to our problems, no need to block their way by spending million on foreign players when we have the talent already here, let's be patient coach them, play them and win with them, after all we proved you can win things with kids, the squad will keep competing at the top, while we nurture our own players.

In short be patient, and of course I want our dominance to continue but if we have to sacrifice a couple of years, not 20, then so be it

11.) I'm sorry, mate, but you'll find that sort of reasonable, sensible, long-term attitude, cuts little ice around here.

We're living in a world of 15 second soundbites, and in a society who want it all. Yesterday.

12.) Fair enough I understand where your coming from but I just don't think our youth in particular positions is good enough, especially cm. I think we wil have a great striker in lingard, a great winger in janujaz, a great am in Powell and defence is already sorted in rafael jones, Evans, smalling, and I have to say I like butner too if he could improve defensively, however cm there is no one coming through, and the first team midfielders are just not strong enough. So all in all I think we are good enough throughout the team except that one position.

13.) Steviegee

As long as the kids are good enough, the class of 92 were truly exceptional but also when they were introduced to the first team they enjoyed significant brilliant top quality surrounding them. Right now our core quality in Rio, Vidic and Carrick are aged beyond 30 so there would be a huge emphasis on the kids coming in, far more than 1995, far more pressure.
It is why I believe we need top quality in two positions and then let the kids grow into the team.

14.) I understand the older supporters frustrations I have been to OT since I
was 5), however as much as I'm completely with you on the patience and support etc, its reads as patronising to the younger ones (only
my thoughts). Completely agree that we have a youth policy and we are in a better position than most clubs. We have a few outstanding youth players and they need to see they can break through. This may have influenced who our targets are! Either way, like I've said before let's get behind the team and moan on 2nd September if we have to! let's remember that united want the right person for the club. I remember an ed saying Lamela brought baggage or trouble. We want the right players for the club, regardless of talent. Look at what Balotelli did to city. Ill be optimistic and hopefull of a signing or two but let's just get behind the team for Liverpool!

Adz

15.) Horserubbish mate. Absolute horserubbish.
We give young uns a chance and you comment on Pogba? the lad who woudlve solved our 20million plus worries with a wage increase yet he was sat behind a newly 'awesome' Scholes and a 40yr old Giggs?
Honestly felsy you're either a Glazer puppet or the most deluded fan on the planet. Get your tiny swede out of that deep, wet sand.

Seriously bro, start thinking of your own accord. All our rivals are strengthening while we stand still with a huge portion of dudes who aren't worthy of the title winning red shirt. Ask yourself, you loyal United fan. which of the following would've touched a winning MU Team.

Nani
Anderson
Cleverly
Carrick (despite his performances its a poor mans Keane)
Young
Ill as **** Fletcher
Scholes out of retirement

Alll GOOD players, but come on, son. Grow a pair and admit, we have been unable to or refused to, strengthen perhaps the most important part of a team for 4years now. It's getting ridiculpus, when you see the way Spurs, for example, have done so without breaking the bank.

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Stevie k thanks for understanding my rant mate, I'm not belittling any fellow supporters or daying I'm better because i'm older, I'm saying we have 4 or 5 young players coming through who given playing time could be the answer to our problems, no need to block their way by spending million on foreign players when we have the talent already here, let's be patient coach them, play them and win with them, after all we proved you can win things with kids, the squad will keep competing at the top, while we nurture our own players.

In short be patient, and of course I want our dominance to continue but if we have to sacrifice a couple of years, not 20, then so be it