28 Mar 2014 09:18:51
If reports today of, 'supposed', United supporters paying for a plane to fly over OT tomorrow with 'Wrong one:Moyes out' are true, then it is an absolute f*cking disgrace. This season has been tough for all of us, but to do something like that just sinks us to a whole new low. If it happens it will be the first time in my whole life that I am truly embarrassed to be a United supporter. If true, I really hope no one on here has contributed or agrees to such a shameful act. I know we all have our differing views on everything United, but even the most anti Moyes person on here must cringe at the thought of that happening tomorrow. people think we are a laughing stock now, it is nothing to what we will be if this happens tomorrow as, like it or not, Moyes won't be on his way until he has been given time to sort the squad out, and as the fat waiter says, that is fact. The Glazers won't care about a plane or fans getting impatient, they didn't care when people burnt effigies of them outside OT ffs.

1.) 28 Mar 2014
Have to agree with you. EVen though I support LFC, I still think that this story is ridiculous. Not to the standard of Man U fans, who I have to say have been amazing the last few weeks, esp at Old Trafford.
Its similar to the petition that was started for Cleverly. Hope the persons don't get their way!

2.) 28 Mar 2014
Been a long since a posted. I do want say that I do feel is rhinocerosing disgusting as u put it Brendan. Even those who abused SAF as well. They don't deserve to support this proud football club. It breaks my heart to see my beloved United not putting up a fight like we did just over a year ago and decades before that but it's low to think that we can treat people the way sum of these so called fans want to treat Moyes. No human being deserve to be humiliated like that and not our manager no matter how bad he may be for the club. What message are we sending our children with actions like these. I feel absolutely ashamed to be called l a Manchester United supporter at this moment. With or without Moyes we will rise and ascend to the top of the league. GGMU

3.) 28 Mar 2014
I think Red Man and No Mid paid for the hire and Danny is flying the plane :)

Nick 86 thought about it but decided against the idea :)

4.) 28 Mar 2014
Brendan, we don't normally agree with each other, but in this case I couldn't agree more. It will be a shame and an absolute disgrace and will certainly seperate the fairweather glory hunting spoilt brats that have tagged along with our club. It is cringeworthy to say the least. I sincerely hope nothing like that happens.

Deeps.

5.) 28 Mar 2014
Everton 0-1
Newcastle 0-1
Chelsea 0-0
Liverpool 0-3
City 0-3
Tottenham 1-3
Arsenal 1-0

That is our 7 results against the other top 7 teams. 1 win, 2 goals scored, 11 goals conceded. I have sat through each of these games at Old Trafford and I have been appalled at the end of nearly every match. I do not agree with the banner, but I do not really care if other fans think we are a laughing stock, who cares what other people think, I certainly don't.

Moyes keeps coming out saying how great the fans are and that they are behind him, yet 90% of posters on here are not behind him, so somehow he needs to know.

I agree with you that we probably will not sack him, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't sack him, he has turned champions into a terrible side, there is no excitement and no good results, so where is the reasoning for the fans backing?

6.) 28 Mar 2014
Well its their money, if that's what the want to do its up to them, but it will be the focus of the cameras and media, and I am sure the board and glazers will not like the bad publicity.
Anyway how long is it since Villa won at OT, are we going to see another record broken

7.) 28 Mar 2014
GDS, Moyes was left an ageing side with some big personalities in the dressing room. I think those older, experienced, big personalities have not been pulling their weight this year on the whole and have affected the feeling in the camp in a negative way. When he arrived he had Woodward new in his role who had a shocker in the summer as was the agreement on here at the time. January is a tough time to get players but we got Mata, who hasn't set the world alight yet but will do, I have absolutely no doubt. I EXPECT at least 4 top quality players in the summer and then next season we will see what Moyes' plans for formation/tactics are.

Moyes is not SAF and can not get the same level of performance out of our slightly above average players and I don't think any other manager could have either. Do you seriously think Klopp could get this group playing exciting football? SAF couldn't even do that for the past few years, it was like watching paint dry a lot of the time but people choose to forget that because he had amazing motivational skills and respect from players and got more than he should have out of a lot of them. Moyes was never going to have the same skills and needs time to get the respect, and also ship out the old, past it SAF players so he can build HIS team that are HIS players, on the whole, and aren't living in their past glories. He knows exactly what he wants and where he wants to go and no matter what the doom merchants say, it won't be Everton mark ii next season, in my eyes.

Many wanted Rooney gone in the summer, yet Moyes has got him playing his heart out most of the time. We have also lost a few good youngsters over the past few seasons but Moyes has tied a hugely talented youngster to a long term deal. He has added Chelsea's best player of the past few seasons to our squad and will follow that up in the summer.

Yes performances have been poor at times and yes Moyes can be criticised, but it is not all him. Do we sack him but let half the well under performing players get off without charge? very strange view if you ask me. He will be here next season, planes or no planes. He will have the chance to recruit further and clear out too. If this time next year we have no improvement then people will have reason to call for his sacking but not yet. The players we get in in the summer will be quality and whoever replaces Moyes, if that happens next season, will have a much better team/squad to start off with.

8.) 28 Mar 2014
As disgraceful as it may be, at least it keeps the focus on United - the quality of our football surely isn't going to do that!

This has been a long time coming. Moyes's inability to maintain even a semblance of the spirit of MUFC, has brought out all the frustrations caused by the effects of the financial rape of our club by the Glazers and their debt infested takeover, and the consequential lack of investment in the squad.

Moyes, received a hospital pass, and he received it as one might expect would Tom Cleverley, as opposed to Roy Keane. He does not seem to possess the leadership characteristics required to be a manager of MUFC, and, as I've said before, it is hard to see a way back for him. I feel very sorry that he is being shat on because the rot is at the top. That should be the focus of the banner.

9.) 28 Mar 2014
It says it all when even GDS isn't backing Moyes.

The fact of the matter is that we the fans just can't take anymore of this and have decided enough is enough. Not saying I am in favour of what is being planned but the message has to get thru to the board that we are not sheep and just accept less than mediocrity.

United fans as a whole are brilliant and really support the team even when results are going bad like the Liverpool game, where they were an absolute credit to the club. Any other top club would have had a revolt by this stage with players getting booed off the pitch that up til now has not happened and that IMO says a lot about this club.

However blindly supporting someone who does not seem to have the abilities to turn this around is personic and there comes a time when even the most ardent fan says this has to stop.

10.) 28 Mar 2014
GDS I know I'm a pedant but don't you mean the 7 results against the other Top 8 teams. I also feel you are being unfair on Southampton by not making it a Top 9 assessment. All of our sudden our 1-1 draw with them at home has improved our stats considerably ;-)

11.) 28 Mar 2014
Well this just highlights one of the things nobody ever gives Moyes credit for, stimulating the Manchester economy.

Not only does he ensure that extra stewards are employed on match day to protect his banner, now he's putting money in my coffers by enraging people to the point that they'll pay me to take out the old spruce goose and fly it over Old Trafford. Let me tell you times have been tough for the last few years, but Moyes has made sure that my family will have enough porridge oats to keep us nourished for the rest of the year. The Tories are trying to take credit for the slight economic upturn in the last year, but Moyes is an industry all in himself.

12.) 28 Mar 2014
Last I checked it was a free country that allowed peaceful protest

Which is worse the chosen one banner that has to be protected by stewards in case someone takes it down and is retained regardless of what the fans think to the point it can only lead to the concern the club may have an influence on its retention or a group of supporters paying for a banner to show their feelings?

I think people have forgotten the Sexton protests and this is the modern day version because there is so much more control inside the ground now. See what happened to that protester who was led away and likely will have his ticket blocked. So if protest isn't allowed in the ground they are trying something outside. Still I doubt we will see it as somehow I think it will be prevented.

We should not care what anyone else thinks but they cannot expect us just to be good little fans who pay up and shut up. I see too many comments telling everyone to shut up and accept it, well if you have paid £50 you should be able to express your thoughts and when things are strictly controlled the protest moves where it can't be. Next some will call for the control of social media so we are only allowed to say how good the Chosen one is. The banner is freedom of expression like it or not

13.) 28 Mar 2014
Brendan, As you and many others have stated this is in seriously bad taste and I hope that this is just paper talk and nothing else.
We can't completely judge Moyes on this current squad as they are simply not good enough.
I feel it is better to have the deficiencies in the squad highlighted in such a dramatic way rather than paper over the cracks for another year.
There are a few players that are well past their best who ned to retire or play a lower standard and there are other players who are simply not good enough that need to be moved on.
At least when Gary Neville's legs went he held his hand up and retired. He didn't even wait for the season to end. We have one or two players in that bracket now but they still ant to be at Utd next year. Don't suppse that has anything to do with money.
One of Moyes downfalls is that he has given everyone a chance this season which is fair but perhaps also a problem as with injuries we have not really had a settled sde.

14.) 28 Mar 2014
Danny

LMAOF I love it, you are a good lad and if I get up there one of these day for a game all drinks on me.

15.) 28 Mar 2014
Yeah not so sure I agree with the plane protest but would not call fans not proper fans for doing it because they feel they have had enough. They are as passionate as anyone - that's why they are doing it. No one has started to shout moyes out at the games yet but that does not mean they back him - most conversations I could hear coming out the ground the other night were saying they wanted him out. They are the people going to the games. THe singing is about defiance and pride in the club against the ABU's not backing moyes. Just wanted to point out to the Liverpool fan that it was not united fans who started the cleverley petition .

16.) 28 Mar 2014
So 2 of the suspects have admitted to their involvement however the plot has thickened and Devil Dust is obviously involved in this case of the mysterious banner. I wonder who else is involved show yourselves :)

17.) 28 Mar 2014
The banner was a bit strange to begin with tbh. Nothing should have been put up until he was settled and we were challenging again, makes no sense to me. Flying a banner over the stadium is just pathetic though.

Everyone has a right to free speech especially if you are paying money, but anyone would have needed
time to sort the squad we have out. Everyone outside our club recognises what a huge job Moyes has on his hands, from other clubs fans, to ex players, to journalists, so why can so many of our own so called fans not see this? I don't get it. The years of glory have clouded some older fans views I think and younger fans who have only known success are far too used to it that they expect it and it doesn't work like that.

What happens if Moyes is sacked and another manager comes in and is in the same position next year? do we sack and start again? Then what if the next manager after that doesn't get results? the pressure would be so so huge by that point that I don't think anyone would cope.

Like it or not, Moyes needs and will get until at least this time next year. If after that he isn't going in the right direction I think he will be replaced. It will not happen this season or before Xmas tho, no matter how many planes are flown and banners removed.

18.) 28 Mar 2014
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and if some fans feel the need to do it then that is there perogative, they pay good money to watch there team and let's face it-it has been terrible all season.
Moyes has not got a bloody clue what he is doing, he picks the wrong team, the wrong formations. Players are playing out of position, his substitutions in some games are just mind boggling and once the team go a goal behind he sits there next to that pathetic assistant of his with this glazed look on his face not knowing what to do next.
He's wasted close to 70 million pounds on players that we didn't need.
The Fellaini buy was just unreal. He was and never will be a United player and was purely a panic buy. Why Moyes felt the need to waste 28 million pound just to try and appease the fans is beyond me.
Then he goes and buys Mata for 37 million pounds, plays him out of position because he already has a player that plays that position in Wayne Rooney. By the way i'm not saying Mata isn't a good player, he is superb but did we really need him is my question?
Another thing that has really annoyed me is why did the senior figures like Gill, Fergie and Charlton allow David Moyes to come into the biggest club in the world and get rid of all the coaching staff who know what United are all about, it shouldn't of been allowed.
One of the conditions of his contract should have been that Phelean, Renee would stay to help him out.
Would I trust Moyes with 100 million pounds in the next transfer window, no I bloody wouldn't is the answer.
He simply has to go, just not good enough.

19.) 28 Mar 2014
To be honest the issue with the banner has been bubbling for some time. And this has mostly kicked off because SEF are constantly dismissing calls to take the banner down as the wishes of a very small minority. Added to that is the recent clamp down on vocal dissent at Old Trafford and the threat that if you do protest, you'll lose your season ticket. In total, the club working very very hard to make it look like the vast majority of United supporters are fully behind Moyes, when in reality a growing number of us have serious misgivings. If you dismiss supporters' concerns and try to micro manage their behaviour, something like this is always a possibility.

Personally it would not be my preferred form of protest, I think that refusing to attend games and leaving a significant number of empty seats at a planned game would provide a far more dignified statement. However, this is what people have decided to do, and as petty as the form of protest is, it does go some way to articulating genuine frustrations that have been dismissed and policed throughout this season.

20.) 28 Mar 2014
Brendan

We can all see the problems but Moyes is totally out of his depth and left to try and put it right could make things a whole lot worse. Simply Moyes is not the one to put it right. Put a Klopp in place for example and he would have my complete support because he along with other top managers have shown the ability but Moyes hasn't

21.) 28 Mar 2014
Well, I may not agree with how they're going to protest. But if being mad and protest about the poor performances of your team is disgraceful, then Moyes can stay for life.

For you guys writing nice speeches makes you a good supporter, it's on you. The reality is that Moyes didn't do anything to deserve an ovation from the fans.

As long as he can show anything he can stay as long as he want.

22.) 28 Mar 2014
Opinions are one thing Simmo, what certain fans want to is pathetic and to say otherwise is very strange. Mata and Rooney shouldn't be payed in the same position, Rooney is not a number 10 and never will be. Mata is for next season when Moyes has the personal to play the formation and tactics he wants to, not being shackled by our current, not good enough first 11. Fellaini was bought by Woodward after he failed to get any of Moyes main targets and thought we would get him cheaper when his buyout ended, How wrong he was, but not Moyes fault. SAF etc will have been aware of his coaching plans etc. Everyone whinged about Phelan for years but then wanted him to stay which was stupid, pretty sure the goal keeping coach was retiring anyway and honestly don't think Renee would have wanted to be here after SAF tbh no matter what has been said. With those 3 gone I think he was right to start a fresh and we'll be more settled next year for it I think.

23.) 28 Mar 2014
Loyal passionate fans have an obligation to support the CLUB and not necessarily its personnel. It is right and proper that the Club understands the sentiment of the supporters as they are the fundamental first building block of the club and its priority customers. This dismal display of support for a lost cause it unbecoming and dishonest.

24.) 28 Mar 2014
Red man, so you support a manager because you like him and not because he is United manager? Bit strange. So if Klopp failed miserably in his first season, it wouldn't matter because he has won a league in Germany with a hugely talented bunch of players, which he has had time to put together in a poor league of only 2 teams, where as Moyes was at Everton in a far more difficult league? World's gone mad.

Danny, in all my years I have never seen anyone being thrown into old Trafford or forced to renew a season ticket. Not happy, don't go and don't renew, a much bigger statement and not a silly, pathetic attempt. Also, how are United stopping people boo? Not seen many fans with gags on in the crowd. Just one guy who was screaming at Moyes from 20 feet. Did you want him left to carry on? Where else in the world would anyone be allowed to stand and scream and swear at someone who is doing their work without being taken away or punched in the face or arrested?

25.) 28 Mar 2014
Good post Danny, apparently there will be a second banner, anyone know what will be on that.
When there is no way to communicate with the team/ club other than not go, frustration will build.

26.) 28 Mar 2014
Brendan, I fully agree that not renewing and voting with our pockets in general would be the most visible protest. However, this season people want to protest too, and the season ticket holders have already paid for this year, so they can't go and demand a refund can they?

Not sure if you have been to a game this season, but Old Trafford has been pretty volatile. There is a lot of emotion in the stands and people are generally worried that showing any visible dissent or criticising Moyes will stir up tensions and even escalate into violence. So people are scared that if they boo, they will get a beating.

Again, I personally don't think that booing is the right way to protest and I think that the silent protest of empty seats is the way to really make a statement.

27.) 28 Mar 2014
Picture sent to me showing the banner next to a plane in a hanger apparently shown on itv news.brendan everyone who sits near me is totally pissed off with what they have witnessed this season but haven't turned on the players and moyes so far but it will happen probably after we are dumped out of the champs league.i also don't think the glazers will risk giving moyes a large sum of money to spend and that he won't be here next season.when I spend a small fortune following utd every season I don't expect a guarentee of trophys but what I do expect is a certain style of football, pride in wearing the shirt and a manager who is tactically astute unfortunately I haven't seen any evidence of that to date.he might be a nice man but he is clueless no plan b and no idea on how to change a game, he waited until the 75 minute and 2-0down against liverpool before he brought on danny and cleverley what did he think those 2 were going to do?.we actually passed the ball really well against west ham and kagawa and mata looked good together so what does he do tuesday night drop kagawa to the bench and play cleverley who couldn't pass to his own player unless it was backwards.im sick of his lame excuses after every defeat, he isn't up to the biggest job in english football and needs to hold his hands up and walk away before he sets us back 3-4 years.

28.) 28 Mar 2014
Brendan

What a load of tosh, so Moyes didn't have any say in the fellaini deal? Come on, pull you head out of your ear!
It was a Moyes buy pure and simple, for god sake the man worked as everton manager for 12 years and played with Fellaini for 3-4 years, surely there's a connection, it's pretty obvious really.
As for your comments about getting rid of the coaching staff to bring his own being right is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
Surely the people who know about the club, who have worked at the club for a number of years would be good to have in your corner, its pretty much a no brainer that.

29.) 28 Mar 2014
I think we are only delaying the inevitable. Moyes will get sacked eventually, IMO the sooner he goes, the sooner we can get back to where we were. One good thing is that Moyes is targeting the top quality players, so if (when) he is sacked, the new manager will inherit a good squad. It's important that if we have another manager in mind, that those players will suit that manager too.

30.) 28 Mar 2014
For what it's worth, I think this banner thing is disgrace and I am embarrassed for us.

This is the sort of stuff those spoiled brats at stamford bridge do not us, but then gain there are people here at the moment, who seem to think anything is on and no such a thing as crossing the line.

31.) 28 Mar 2014
Maybe we should have a banner with Red & White on it, to remind Moyes that we are Man Utd. Maybe he will change his tactics then!

The Green and Gold protest didn't exactly work did it, although it did create a lot of negative publicity for the club - how many marquee signings have we made since? Whatever your politics the team has to come first and this stunt is damaging us further.

I think it is pointless really and we need to stick with the manager in public and slag him in private (ish). Seriously though airing our dirty laundry in public isn't classy and is embarrassing. There are far more decent ways to make our disappointment clear, not stooping to this level. What next, burning effigies on his garden and his car on stumps, disgraceful idea to show our pettiness to a global audience.

If he goes who would want the job seeing this type of treatment?!

32.) 28 Mar 2014
Simmo I'm not even getting into an argument with someone who hasn't actually read my post and scanned it for certain words they wanted to read.
Fellaini was a target, but we had other targets we wanted first and when Woodward failed to get them HE ended up paying over the odds because of HIS poor showing.

The simple facts are, Moyes is here, no matter how many arses hang banners out of planes, that won't change until mid next season at the very earliest and anyone expecting differently is seriously kidding themselves. None of us are enjoying the current performances, but some are willing to give the summer transfer window and into next season before truly judging. If I was like a lot on here I just wouldn't go to games and let my seat stay empty and let others do the same.

33.) 28 Mar 2014
So he's here until at least mid next season? so what top manager is going to jump ship to us half way through a new season? and if he gets sacked it obviously means were in the same mess were in now and more than likely another year out of the champions league, will the beverley hillbillys risk that scenario who knows let's see if they have belief in him or put greed first.he isn't here long term so people will just have to get used to it and move on.

34.) 28 Mar 2014
Everyone is entitle to there opinion, but I just don't get how some on here can continuously say to give moyes time? How much time do you give him? The seasons a shambles and what happens if it's the same next year after spending a lot of money? It could set us back another 2 years. I have no confidence in him at all, people saying he has brought in mata etc mata has been hopeless let's be honest. If Rooney was performing like mata he would get slaughtered but because it's the shiny new toy everyone expects he'll come good I certainly hope he does because he's fantastic on his day, but he's a number 10 and moyes plays him wide so he can accomodate Rooney and RVP which shows his tactical inability. Now I'm no past player or manager so therefore according to some have no qualification to comment but it's blatantly obvious we need a bit of pace and width it's not nuclear science but moyes can't see it he seems to want number 10's playing everywhere. Kagawa may start alongside vidic on Saturday. :-)