Manchester United Banter Archive March 10 2012

10 Mar 2012 23:30:07
You have to hand it to David Moyes. He has worked wonders at Everton. He must be a contender to take over from SAF, and rightly so.

10 Mar 2012 23:04:19
Is it just me or is it much better watchin motd when lawro and hanson are on it when liverpool lose

10 Mar 2012 22:45:31
sorry it's late but what a complete and utter disgrace of a performance that was on thursday. (how many times we said that?..too many).


i have a lot to moan about here so bare with me/


the first thing that needs mentioning is why is it EVERY game we play the "Lesser teams" seem to have more possession and more clear cut chances.
we seem to be playing counter attack against everyone which is strange cos all the teams we play have better possession and they actually look better on the counter attack than we do when we have a failed attack..


now to the set up, we are playing well too far back, our defense isn't far enough up the pitch, you see all the best teams in europe and they have their defense basically stood on the half way line controlling the game.


-park has lost his work rate.
-giggs is sloppy and doesn't look good at CM.
-hernandez can't link up and has a bad touch and takes way too long to shoot, doesn't look as good as he did last season.
-evra gets caught out of position too many times and is poor defensively.
- jones, the jack of all trades but master of nothing, going to be our next john o'shea if isn't used and developed properly.
-rooney looked poor all game, so too did ashley young.
-rafa looked ok apart from the 3rd goal, too sloppy and lacking awareness.
-evans, de gea, carrick, anderson, smalling all looked ok and didn't make too many mistakes.


we seem to be saying the same thing after every game, win, lose or draw we just look really poor, and we have looked poor for 3 seasons bar a few games.
are the players getting worse or is it the managers and coaches fault? i think a mixture of both, SAF has got a lot of things wrong this season, playing players out of position and using the wrong tactics during games... it's happening too many times and he needs a kick up his back side to wake him up. the players are also lacking something, they can't keep possession, can't create many chances on goal and get over run in midfield by average players.


IMO we need 3/4 new players and a new number 2, which imo should be carlos.


the 3/4 positions we need strengthening are cb, cdm, cm, st...
Those being:


CB banenta/martinez
CDM garcia
CM ozil/modric/goetze
ST RVP/higuian/


also rooney needs to go back to his striking position, people say his best position in in the hole behind the striker but i disagree and think he is best used as a lone striker like in 09/10.


for next season id like to see a team like this


________deGea________
rafa__marti__vidic__evra
_____garcia__cleves____
toniV_____ozil______nani
________rooney________


that leaves us with a player in every position to replace anyone who is injured, and stops us playing players out of position.
lindegaard
jones
evans
smalling
fabio
young
youth promotion.
carrick
anderson
welbeck
hernandez


ozil, martinez and garcia would probably cost 25m each.
so to raise cash and wages id sell:
rio, park, giggs retire, scholes retire, kzuszack, macheda, berbatov. that would probably just raise 20m so if we have 55m to spend on players in the summer we could have a very good team.


sorry for the long post and moaning.


(place in banter please ed, thanks)


"JackOfBlades"

10 Mar 2012 20:36:35
Duncan Castles reckons City have a pre agreement with Van persie £10.3 mil a year do we reckon it's true?

10 Mar 2012 19:14:40
no matter what, getting beat at our own den is a bit embarassing(twice now in europa)..i am confident of us getting a result in spain...but we need 2 or 3 class players next season to have a good mix of potentail youth (clevs, wellbeck,rafa,jones,smalling,fabio) and experience...one cf/winger, a mid and a lb is must...
Sahin/martinez,
alhy cissoko
and gaitan/a good leftie winger/striker
DJ

10 Mar 2012 18:01:43
I'm bettin KKs ears are burning lol

10 Mar 2012 17:46:35
Tomorow is going to be a massive one for us, we have to win of course, but the performance needs to be good. If we blow them away then we are back on track, and if not, then i think we could be in a bit of trouble as we are getting stuck in a bit of a rut it seems.

We need reinforcements regardless, someone to give us that spark. Alot of the problems are down to the formation i think, it is becoming a little out dated against teams who play 3 in midfield. 3 in midfield keep the ball better than we do, we saw that with Bilbao.

We already have the squad to play 3 in midfield, but i think generally, quality is lacking some what. I also don't think that we should move to a midfield 3 in every game. If it was my money, i would spend it on a new left back and an attacking midfielder as a matter of urgency. 4-2-3-1 i think should be our 'basic' formation. With the squad we already have we can easily revert to a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 formation.

The options we are lacking most in is central attacking midfield. If we were to sign him then we can release Rooney more into a striker.

I do not know which attacking midfielder we should go for, options i think are:

Wesley Sneijder
Shinji Kagawa
Mario Gotze
Iker Muniain
Mesut Ozil
Eden Hazard
Nicolas Gaitan

They are the best options that we could go for, and out of all of them i'd like to see Ozil here, but that isn't realistically going to happen as he is an important piece in the Madrid puzzle. My conclusions on who we need have surprised even me. I'm almost advocating another move for Sneijder. He was wanted last summer and a player just doesn't lose his ability. Playing him behind Rooney would be perfect for him.

However, Sneijder wouldn't play every game and i'm not sure how disruptive he would be if he wasn't a regular starter - he has also said that he hates playing central midfield in a deeper role.

If you were to go for an attacking midfielder who would it be?

UnitedForever {Ed004's Note - Gotze or Eriksen but I would keep Rooney CF and play sissoko and martinez dm's as both can pass, tackle and get forward.}

10 Mar 2012 17:24:00
the liverpool site is shut down for the next 24 hours , due to maintenance , so you lot dont need to go on there...............lfc

10 Mar 2012 16:58:02
MISSING!

Liverpool fans from Thursday night.

If found please return to their banter page.

10 Mar 2012 16:56:08
Oh well, the scousers have lost again, that's cheered me up.
I hear O'Shea had a great last ditch tackle on Suarez at the death. Nice one John.

Red Daz.

10 Mar 2012 13:39:25
Moon come on man.

All the stats show:

they had more possesion almost 60-40,

19 shots to our 9, 11 on target to our 5,

86.7% of 592 passes compared to our 84.6% of 422,

All this while we were at home. Not that you could tell as their 7000 fans were making more noise even when we were 1-0 up.

Add to that our dated 4-4-2 does NOT work against any formation which has 3 in CM and I cannot understand how they continualy think it will. All teams play with pressure against our CMs now as they know they will crumble. Any body with half a brain knows that 3 v 2 only ends in one result. Bilbao regularly play this way yet it was either not picked up on or we chose not to bother about it.

Either way that stinks of tactical ineptness full stop. All the european teams have come to our ground and played the exact same way with the same results. Over running the midfield.

I cannot fathom why after we get trounced twice by Barca and SAF stating we need to change and all the rest we are still sticking with this outdated formation and tactics. It beggers belief.

Yes Bilbao played well but they came to play that way. They knew how to hurt us and we had absolutely no answer. The fact a 3-2 defeat is a blessing at home is a disgrace. I cannot accept that. An off game? haha how many off games do we need to be proven in the fact our team is not up to standard. we can put as much positive spin on it as we want but we are shockingly further behind than the league suggests.

SAF is churning results out even with sh*te performances regularly and hats off to him but when he goes if the next guy cant motivate like he can (which he probably cant) then we are totally fu**ed.

Also Park on the wing against Bilbao? Jesus christ! That tactic never works. all it does is lop side our own play so doesnt help us in any way.

Piss poor again, like most of the season and I stand by my comment of if we win the league, SAF to go. At least then the backroom staff will hopefully get a much needed shake up.

By the way West Brom are on form so lets see if any tactical plan can be put in place to beat them.

I would do this.

----------De Gea-
Rafa---Rio---Evans---Evra-
-----Carrick--Scholes-
Nani----Clev/Ando---Young-
---------Rooney-

But no doubt wont see that.

Jono

10 Mar 2012 12:28:28
Buy Lloriente !!!!!!!!!
He would score 20 - 25 goals per season and scare the living daylights out of opposing defences! Rooney playing just behind . . .Toni providing the ammo . . .rock on !!!!!!!
£40M ??
Albert

10 Mar 2012 10:52:28
We will not lose anybody to Manchester City, or to anybody else because we want to keep our players," stated Wenger.

"I can only let people talk. We want to keep Robin Van Persie, that is clear, we will do everything possible to extend his contract, that is clear.

"I was very adamant but at the end of the day, it (Nasri) was a difficult situation to manage," he continued. "We had the players and we felt that [Aaron] Ramsey and [Jack] Wilshere could work.

"Would we keep Robin even if he doesn't extend? Yes, of course. Our plan is just to keep Robin van Persie, even if we buy any player."

jred

10 Mar 2012 10:11:02
Was the Bilbao game just a bad day in office or SAF's stubborness to sign 2 good midfielders is catching up with him...,Tell me guys am i overreacting or we are now heading for doom facing an exit from the Europa

10 Mar 2012 04:59:46
Not football related but just a tribute to Rahul Dravid - The Wall - A true Legend and one of the most dignified sportsman of modern era. You will be missed!

Mago

10 Mar 2012 01:00:27
On here I see some interesting maybe pos stuff&some nonsense which seems to pass as be printed!iv been season tkt holder since was 17 I'm now 40,iv the done loyalty pot home&away at an amazing cost,there are some dreamers on here!Utds team/squad compaired to 94/99 is way behind!fool urselfs how much u like Glazers debt as now caught up!when they took over we had class but them players gone&replaced by cheaper lower standard!were lucky the premiership is now dropped in its standards to be were we are!fergie talks of beating Barca ruling europe!lol not a prayer he's dragging every last drop out of scholes/giggs as knows last of that top level!those thinkin 40m all good to spend wakey wakey!utd need 100m to bring squad upto barca!etc over 200m plus gona on glazer debt which could have been on squad! I've no doubt this shant get printed as its not we gona sign this or that in summer!well wakey wakey wait for the same fergie bulls•••• Of value in market or what ever cover! It dint wash anymore! Its wakey wakey time glazers killin utd