Manchester United Banter Archive June 12 2013

12 Jun 2013 23:18:51
Curious, with Varela coming on what'll happen to Vermijl?

Ya i'm the same I see him either being loaned to a prem club or sold

Heard that he is stalling on a new deal. Perhaps this is why.

12 Jun 2013 22:38:37
Mick, I think you mean Evangelista. he is at Anderlecht.

Also Evangelista is part of the project and we have 1st option on him when he turns 18.

Sydney!________________________________
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no syd I mean wellington bueno, he was never part of the mufc project so was able to get himself a super agent and move to anderlecht, I know all about lucas and I mean wellington, he sivned over a week ago fella.
mick the red fireman. _________________________________________
Both Wellington & Evangelista are "in the group". That is 100% accurate mate. So their move to Anderlecht means one of two things.

1) The agreement between Desportivo means nothing. Or

2) They have moved to Anderlecht to get a European passport to avoid work permit issues.

MU have first refusal on Evangelista who moved to Anderlecht last year. I imagine the same applies to Wellington. Evangelista is part of the group that came to OT to watch the Bolton game.

Sydney!_________________________________________
No sydney he was not part of our group, the fact he came over to train with us I am well aware of, we hoped we could take him on, but as he was never part of the manchester united traffic project he was able to get himself an agent and organise a move for himself, ourselves hertha berlin and anferlecht fought it out for him but he opted to sign a FOUR year deal with the belgium club, I hope this helps you to understand that just cause he came over to train it didn't mean he was under the same conditions as gomes for example.

mick the red fireman. _________________________________________

You come across as a very patronizing guy Mick.

Not patronizing no name, just I check my facts before posting, I don't just post for the sake of it, if I know something to be correct I will post it, i'm not going to be told i'm wrong by sydney when he obviously hasn't bothered to check himself, nothing personal, or would you just rather read stuff which is wrong because you want it to be true, I don't post unless its something I know about, shame some others don't do the same, now that's patronizing.
mick the red fireman.

Mick, any of the players from the "group" can get themselves representation and join a club of their choice. Wellington was very much part of the "group", as was Lucas Evangelista, as is Bruno Gomes etc etc. Wellington has either been advised to join Anderlecht to steer him away from our clutches (like I feared would happen) or the move to Anderlecht MU are happy with.

Like I said, Lucas Evangelista was part of the "group" and he joined Anderlecht. We have first dibs on him when he turns 18. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have first dibs on Wellington too when he turns 18. I think this is one of two things. He has left us completely and join Anderlecht at the wish of his agent or MU are well aware of what is going on and will use this move as a way of him getting a European passport.

I highly doubt Anderlecht would have more pull than us, especially when we took their best talent (Januzaj). I cannot see why a Brazilian would choose Anderlecht over MU having visited us on a number of occasions. So for me he has either been advised to join Anderlecht to get him away from our grasp or he is at Anderlecht with our blessing. And like Evangelista we have first option on him.

Sydney!

12 Jun 2013 21:14:04
Sydney do you know why Powell, Tunnicliffe, Lingard etc were not in the England u21s?

Dave

Powell is injured, I assume the other 2 haven't had enough game time. most of the squad have either played in the prem this season henderson, shelvey and most of the others would of played a full season in the championship.
johndenton

What's actually wrong with Powell, is it anything serious?

Yeah but our lot won the under 21 championship. Does that not count for anything? The fa cocked up on this one.
Nomidfield

He had a recurring groin problem I think, but he will be back for pre season.

12 Jun 2013 20:49:55
Hi guys, just been reading rumours on various websites and was just wondering how people would feel about a summer of varela, mendy, thiago, strootman, shaw/baines and draxler/ el shaarawy. It would be within our budget and would deal with problem areas in the team. I don't think that rooney will be leaving the club this summer and I hope that the fans don't hold a grudge. However I do hope that kagawa will get more game time this season and i'm worried about how he would get that in his favoured position with rooney still being in the team.

Sounds like a great summer. a front three behind rvp of of thiago, kagawa and Rooney would be just peachy

Andrew b

12 Jun 2013 19:14:34
Hey Guys. Is there any news of W. Keane. Is he fit or not. ?

Saher Baloch

I wouldn't say no :)

12 Jun 2013 18:25:22
All this talk of Ronaldo coming back for £65m, in addition to £300k a week for 28 year old seems rather steep to me.! Much rather pay £70m-£80m to spurs for bale who would surely be happy with £200k a week. !

Ronaldo 40+ goals> Bale 20+ goals

I would rather spend that money on 3 different players in position of need.

12 Jun 2013 17:50:45
Thiago has just given an example of what I think United are missing .
A busy creative player at cm who can dictate the pace of the game. Always open keeps possession and links up midfield and attack.
Jred

He is a top player. I hope the rumours are true. I hope he is due to sign for us in a few week's time.

Sydney!

12 Jun 2013 17:43:20
Rio Ferdinand is promoting his testimonial match (shock horror!) by saying there are going to be some 'cool surprises'. I think he may be playing on the Ronaldo transfer rumour here a little, but I'm still eager to find out what the cool surprises are! Any thoughts on what they may be?

DanB

I would imagine the surprises will just be free #5 caps, maybe free kits etc.

DGC.

Maybe Rio's going to have a raffle with ferdy 5 baseball caps as the prizes.

Most likely Usain Bolt. bellaghyred

Saw that myself there maybe it could be Ronaldo but most likely a hat!

Anton & Les are appearing for United playing a half each.

Everyone's going to play out of position. Rio's on the left wing.

Andrew b

12 Jun 2013 17:25:59
Dmitry Rybolovlev are preparing a �100m (£85m) bid for Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo. I wonder if he said that figure whilst fingering his mouth with his pinkie finger. On top of this record breaking fee they would also offer a world record salary of �20m (£17m) per year that's a whopping £354, 166. 66 per week (maybe he will be able to afford an oil change on his hair now).
Sorry for copy/paste

12 Jun 2013 16:54:31
Well we are now almost at the midway point of June and realistically need to sign players in the next 2 to 4 weeks.

Whilst some of the so said targets are away at the under 21, there are plenty of others who are not, which leads me to believe that Gaitan, Di Maria and some of the other players being mentioned are paper talk and what we have signed sofar as far as I am concerned has no relevance to how we will do next year.

I hope to see something with some substance next week and I think a biggish signing would put a lot of people at ease.

I do hope we sell some players soon and don't end up like city last year where our transfer activity is delayed due to trying to clear out some players and end up watching one target after another disappear.

Shahram

12 Jun 2013 21:25:56
It's just a shame that the majority of players who aren't away who we have a reasonable chance of signing are either too expensive (Bale/Reus/Cesc) or not good enough for United (Gaitan/Mirralas)

12 Jun 2013 14:32:42
Been watching videos of Varela (don't sound good I know). He is lightening quick and looks a natural attacking wingback. This is a player who had played for Penarol ONCE before we snapped him up. Youtube doesn't show you the consistency of a player, but it does show you his broad attributes and what he is capable of. Take a look. It will take two minutes of your time.

Sydney!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV78EV6f718

Without seeing him play properly, he does seem to share a lot of the attributes of Rafael - lots of energy going forwards and not afraid to put his body on the line. Let's see how he develops but at least we now have 2 natural RB's and without spending much at all.

Now onto the main transfers!

12 Jun 2013 14:34:59
Both Thiago Alcantara and Kevin Strootman are looking set to sign after the under 21 euros. This will give Moyes the option to field Strootman alongside Carrick with Thiago in a more advanced role or indeed phase them both into the team more slowly with them being the first team central midfielders over the next couple of seasons as Carrick ages.

12 Jun 2013 14:05:05
Hey Guys. I have been a regular reader of this site for 4 years now. I really like this site and I appreciates the hardworking eds. I have a question for all the readers and eds. Man United have signed uruguay u21 full back Valera. So what'll be the future of Vermijl. I think he did pretty well at U21 league last season. I think he deserved a chance. I am waiting for your opinions.

Saher Baloch

Im under the impression he is not signing a contract, maybe that is the reason for buy varela.
Chris the REDman

I reckon he'll be sold.

12 Jun 2013 13:22:58
Ed, do you know of any interest in Vidic and do you think he'll be here next year? With Rio signing a new contract and Garay looking very likely, that'll be six central defenders we have next year with Evans, Jones and Smalling. Seems an awful lot for one position so could Vidic be sold or maybe Smalling loaned out?

Cheers

Twin {Ed004's Note - Or Rio will play a lot less Jones and Smalling can fill in rb and cdm}

12 Jun 2013 12:13:32
Lewandowski staying at dortmund for this season, CR7 staying at Madrid for this season, more realistic players coming in Strootman & Thiago. I think fabregas might be a outside bet but he really wants to stay with Barca.
Rooney will be at OT next season and i'm sure he will quieten the boo boys once he gets going.
PSY.

12 Jun 2013 13:27:33
If he gets going. I'm sure he'll enjoy his holiday this year.

12 Jun 2013 13:34:43
I backed Rooney a couple of years ago but not now. Not after his turning up overweight for pre season. Not after a season with a lack of effort, poor passing etc etc. Not after threatening to leave again. If Rooney stays I won't be quiet and neither will a lot of others.

Fairly realistic prediction, but I think we will sign one of Sanchez or Di Maria as well, since we do really need a winger, and I think we may sign a couple of young players as well.

Lewandowski has come out and publicly said that he wants to leave Dortmund. Even if he doesn't move to Bayern which I still think he will he will leave for another club.
He doesn't want to be there, Dortmund would me mad to let him run his contract down and not take 20-25 million pounds in this window.
They can't afford to do that.

Simmo

12 Jun 2013 11:43:20
Neither of these players were my 1st choice's for new signings or even on the list but who would people choose between Gaitan and Di Maria and why?

Kai

Neither of them.

I'd choose Di Maria purely because I think he's a more dangerous attackinv player than Gaitan from what I've seen. Also doesn't Di Maria actually support Manchester United? Or was it just playing up to us years ago when initially interested?

Supasub

I know everyone slags Gaitan off on this site but personally I think he would do well he's quite a big built chap as in squarish looks to be robust enough for EPL

Di Maria once he got over the girly diving and got a grip of himself he'd be good although injury wise I'm not sure certainly has bags of talent though

Di Maria because he is the better player but I don't expect either to be in a Utd shirt next season and not dissapointed in it either
Invisible Stuey

Di maria is much better, his crossing is good, his pace and his shots are good, I think he has the potential to be for us what Nani should have been.

1redarmy

I think Di Maria is the better player. I think he is probably the cheaper option too. I have a feeling Isco will go to RM, City will buy Di Maria and United will get Gaitan. I hope we get Di Maria though.

Sydney!

Gaitan is a left footed Valencia.

"Gaitan is a left footed Valencia. "

Not even close mate he has miles more technically gifted and has a wonderful left foot on him. I would not be disappointed if we sign him and he is miles better than welbeck and young on the left side.

Shahram

I would agree with no name, imo he is just a left footed Valencia.
Chris the REDman

Neither of them. We need players to significantly improve our first team, I'm not sure either of them will.
Nomidfield

Sorry but Gaitan is is nearer to a left footed Young than Valencia and I haven't been impressed on any occasion I have seen him

Red Man

12 Jun 2013 11:10:45
Apparently united want 8.5 million for nani?

Though inconsistent that is an absolute steal, surely we could get 15 mil, especial if young ist 16 in his inal year.

Do u think this is what utd want or just to help start a bidding war?

TRUMORS {Ed007's Note - 8.6 million Euros for Nani, cup O tea, hands shook, door slams, fly home a la Snatch style.}

I am not convinced we want €10m for him. Why would we be dealing in euros and not Sterling? I think it's a tactic for Gala trying to get another player on the cheap so they can sell him for double the amount in six month's time. We accepted a €27m offer 10 month's ago, I imagine we would want a minimum of £12m for him.

Sydney!

Sydney who offered €27m for Nani, United must be so annoyed they said no to that offer, unless Nani said no. Also, Monaco apparently want Nani so they would certainly offer £15m, considering they paid €70m for Rodriguez and Moutinho. On another note, I think Rodriguez would have suited us perfectly, and he could become a top class player.

Sydney

They won't get anywhere near 12 million pounds for him.
He has been dross for the past two seasons and has rarley played this season.
I think 10 million Euros is asking to much. You also have to consider the wages he gets paid, probably around 80-90 grand, it's a big risk for clubs taking on a player that has no confidence and hasn't had much playing time.
Unfortunately Nani is one of those players that believes in his own hype.
Instead of concentrating on improving he starts comparing himself with Ronaldo when he has 3-4 good games.

Simmo

The reality is we paid too much for a player who turns in a good performance 1 out of 5 games. It reminds me of the berba saga last year, we started wanted 10 and ended selling for 4. 5. I think he will go for less than 10 for sure and that is life I guess.

Shahram

Those stating Nani is not worth £12-£15 in his final year need to get a grip! Granted he hasn't set the world alight but he can be world class (albeit on his day). He needs a run of games and confidence at times. Ask yourself this. Would you sell him to any of the top 6 in this country for anything less than £10 million? Curious to know who would and who wouldn't? I certainly wouldn't! I think if he went to another premier league club we'd regret it or if he went to Spain he'd show what he's capable off. Fergies squad rotation helped some and affected others. Nani was one of our best players when Valencia was injured as was Rooney when RVP wasn't there. The point being is that he needs confidence and consistency. I agree that his performances don't merit a starting position at united (now) but to sell him for so little doesn't make sense! I think he wanted a new contract and united played hardball and though wasn't worth what he was asking for and tried getting rid. He refused the accepted bids so united used him sparingly; this affecting his performance. I may be wrong and the eds may know better. Just an opinion before if get a barrage of abuse! ;-)

Adz

MU accepted a €27m offer from Zenit just ten month's ago. His value hasn't dropped that much.

He is on a low salary compared to most wingers of his ability. People need to remember Nani has been playing for the past two seasons knowing he is not wanted.

He will join another club and he will be a very good player for them.

Sydney!

12 Jun 2013 08:11:01
Regarding lewandowski situation. word around the club is that city is pushing for him and willing to offer tevez in the deal. But bvb can't pay his high wages. Chelsea is busy with cavani.
Cavani is prime target for both. So one who can't sign cavani will go for lewy. But if rooney decides to go. Chelsea will secondly push for him.
In this case we can see city snap up cavani. Chelsea bag rooney and united get lewy.

Rodio17

Don't forget madrid
jred

I deff don't see how Dortmund would want Tevez. Good player but of course wages and his attitude doesn't fit either.

12 Jun 2013 00:10:29
Just want to find our everyone's opinion as I have been thinking about this for a while.
If we do sign a left back like Shaw, Digne or Baines, could Buttner be played as a left winger? What do you think Ed.

I was thinking the exact same thing, terrible defender but shows a lot of potential going forward

Kai

Quite possibly but that wouldn't strike fear in any of our opponents would it

19JackC94

What about Benjamin Mendy for Le Havre. Arsenal had scouted him previously, and he has played 48 games for Le Havre in Ligue 2 at the age of 18. Only seen him a couple of times briefly, but if there are French United fans on this site, or any United fans living in France, what do you think of him?

12 Jun 2013 07:14:05
Am I the only one who doesn't want Ronaldo back? Everyone knows he is one of the best player in the world at the moment. But my only concern is, if we buy him then how can we strengthen other areas where we are short of quality. I guess if we are not in for Ronaldo, then we might add at least 2 quality midfield players or even 3 if can :)
I would be happy if we can get Strootman and 2 from either of Cesc, Thiago, Modric. I believe with these signings and with the likes of Kagawa, RVP, Rooney, Zaha and Januzaj, we will be able to play top quality football.

Totally agree, but we definitely need some new blood on our wings, nani valencia and young are after having disappointing campaigns and 2 need to go imo, and with zaha already signed we need one more ( gaitan, de maria etc etc. ), as well as the players on your list, this for me would be better than putting all your eggs in one basket and getting Ronaldo back

Roonbest

I don't think people appreciate or understand the level Ronaldo (and Messi) are at. Greats like them can be generational and do not come around often. The last such player at OT for me was the late great Georgie Best and if we had Ronaldo it would take us to another level that the players you suggest can't take us to. I don't expect to buy Ronaldo but if there is a chance we must take it as his like may not be seen at OT again for a generation. We should still be buying in midfield whether or not we have Ronaldo but that is the owners to decide on the level of investment

Red Man

Yes you are.
Forget cesc and modric as it is all paper talk. And I think thiago will stay at barca.
So it is strootman. And if Ronaldo wants to come, then I'll go and pick him up myself!
Nomidfield

Yes lol I don't know how anyone can say they don't want arguably the world's best player in their team.

We need to sort out the midfield no doubt but we are short in quality in the wide positions as well - we have ok players on the left in young and nani but they have been well below par - nani looks to be leaving - so we will need someone.

I would keep young as a back up to left wing as I don't see him good enough to be a starter espeically in the big games.

12 Jun 2013 13:26:17
its a question of priorities. Signing Ronaldo would give us back the fear factor and take us to another level. But we have other areas of the team to sort out. Over the next two summers we need to sign a number two goalkeeper, a left back, centre back, two central midfielders, a left winger, a right winger and a striker. That is what I expect us to bring in over this summer and next summer. Even if we concentrated on just two midfielders and one winger this summer that is still a spend of over fifty million. And a similar spend next summer on a keeper, two defenders and another winger or striker. Over two windows your talking around 150 million in investment or is that not ambition enough? Or we could spank half that amount on a single player and neglect half the team. I would welcome Ron back he's a great player but he's simply not a priority. Most people want him back through sentimentality. I'd rather be practical and look at it realistically. MrE

My biggest concern with the whole Ronaldo saga is that it seems to have paralyzed us in the market since his return.
We have never spend big on a replacement, and I kind of have a feeling, that we are always holding back, just in case he becomes available!

am I mistaken?

11 Jun 2013 23:56:00
Guys please don't use the betting market as a guide as to how likely we are to sign a player. Bookies purposely lower the odds on players they know won't be joining a club hoping that it entices fans to bet on something that is never going to happen. It's easy money.

a website have purposely made up stories with the whole intention of getting people to bet on it. It's the perfect money making exercise. They use cloak and dagger sayings like "tv" but never name them, or they used people like Balague to back up stories based in Spain because people beileve he will know more about what's happening at Spainish clubs because he is Spianish. that's the same as saying it must be true because Martin Samuel said it and he's english so he must know what's happening at english clubs. Their journalist and they don't really know what's going on as clubs don't tend to tell their plans to people who will tell all in sundry.

So don't listen to people who stand to gain from telling you something, as it's quite likely to be a lie.

Exactly! I wonder why Sly have made a story out of it? And it's funny when you go on their website the headline just says we're favourites to sign him, then when you read the content it's all because of betting odds.

Please don't get carried away guys, this is just them directing as many people to make the bets they want - their aim, to MAKE MONEY.

HB {Ed007's Note - Another soul who has seen the light.}

Shappy and bond,

I have been beating this drum for a long time and I know bond has too, it doesn't stop people coming on here saying sky said it so it must be true.

It is the same as pladdy power tv telling you to bet on something, absolutely crazy that people continue to believe it, but from reading the site, they obviously do. {Ed007's Note - People forget it is supposedly a sports news channel.}

Bond, I can't see the light? Is it coming out of KLOOT's rear?

Deeps.

12 Jun 2013 13:42:06
There will always be gullible people. A fool and their money and all that. I'll believe we've signed someone when their on the pitch with the manager holding up the shirt. That said if Ronaldo does stay at Madrid its a nice bonus. MrE