Manchester United Banter Archive June 01 2015

01 Jun 2015 22:30:39
I really, really hope that the focus of our window is strengthening the spine of the team above all else.

Chelsea have done it over the last couple of years: Courtois, Matic and Diego Costa and they are now flying high. If Arsenal had done it they would of won the League.

I think the team that does that best will be the main challenger to Chelsea next season. Ourselves, City and Arsenal really need to work on that central spine.

Let's hope that Otamendi, Schneiderling and a striker come in (and a world class keeper since De Gea I think has gone).

Really wish though that that striker was Lacazette. As I have said before though, he won't leave this year.

01 Jun 2015 23:15:27
Schneiderlin spelling saga continues

02 Jun 2015 00:24:12
Snider linn

02 Jun 2015 03:20:45
Spiderman

02 Jun 2015 08:08:14
'Sneijder in'
You know what this means folks. Its a message from the gods.

02 Jun 2015 08:53:39
Okay, so I accidentaly typed a G at the end of it.

01 Jun 2015 19:04:33
Would love us to get Schneiderlin, if for no other reason, that he can phone up Llallana, Loveren and Lambert, and go, 'remember you feckers laughing at me for having to stay behind last summer, while you all swanned off to bigger and better things'?? Ha!

01 Jun 2015 16:11:08
IMO its an absolute must that we buy 2 good mids this summer. If we've learnt anything from better teams out there, its that a great midfield CAN make up for the defence as well the front line.
I think a midfield of let's say, hererra, schneiderlin and kondogbia/schweinsteiger will be so mobile and quick both while defending and attacking. It will also make sure that our strikers and wingers can hold their positions and not have to drop deep all the time.

01 Jun 2015 18:23:01
Totally agree i would even add another to your list Carvalho at Sporting

02 Jun 2015 07:56:19
Totally agree! It's Kondogbia and Schneiderlin switching on who stays back then Herrera and one the others joining him?

01 Jun 2015 13:12:22
Schneiderlin IMO would be a great signing, he has the potential to be a top class player I would be delighted if we sing him. I believe we also need another midfield player to compliment schneiderlin and Herrera with high energy levels who has creativity and is willing to run beyond the striker ideally to replace fellani in the prepared starting 11
IMO we should then concentrate on rb and at least 1 top class experienced cb who will become our leader ideally also another experienced cb.
I would like those 4 roles to be filled by
Coleman, 2 from otamendi humells laporte howedes. , 1 from Vidal gundogan pogba.
I am sure a lot of people will shoot me down but I would also sign James Milner on a free to cover a several positions the lad has a great attitude.
Exits that would really not affect the starting 11 will be clev nani chich Evans Rafael falcao we would see Jones leave if we sign 2 CBs IMO,
Only if we see rvp or dimaria leave will we sign another striker.
If de gear leaves I would try to leverage that situation to get bale if possible.
Cech is the only obvious candidate for me to replace degea
Players for me that improved last season or throughout the season that will continue to flourish and be a lot better and more consistent next season will be Rooney if played up top consistently smalling shaw Mata and fellani.
I hope we get the deals agreed early so that we get the best possible preparation for what will be a hectic and vital early part of the season, the last thing we need going into CL qualifying rounds ia a circus surrounding will di Maria leave or a will we sign Vidal media scrum.

{Ed004's Note - There is no chance of Milner and I would not want him. A life long Leeds supporter, who played for both City and Leeds. No thanks. I think one centre back is enough I agree we need two Cm's a right back and another forward option}

01 Jun 2015 13:28:04
I would not sign Milner, no thank you. If a player was to come in who was available on a free then I would opt for De Jong to sit in behind Schneiderlin and Herrera. I know that is probably not a popular choice and he certainly isn't my first choice but on a free and with LVG knowing him, we may well see him and in his defence, he would offer that physical presence to close out games when needed.

01 Jun 2015 14:46:04
Kondogbia would be a great compliment to Schneiderlin. You would have an extremely strong midfield with Kondogbia-Schneiderlin-Herrera.

One of the eds mentioned on the rumour page his best position is in CM not in the holding position.

01 Jun 2015 14:54:17
I personally think Morgan Schneiderlin would be the perfect signing for us. He has all the attributes we currently lack in the CM area.

01 Jun 2015 16:44:15
I can't see us signing more than 5 this summer. With Depay already done I'd look at Dani Alves at RB even though he 32 having watched him over the last few weeks he's looked back to his best.

CB is Hummels or Otamendi by the looks of things. Either is better than what we currently have but it's down to personal preference whether you want a Vidic type like Otamendi or a ball playing defender like Hummels.

CM x2, I'm in agreement with the majority on here that Schneiderlin would be a great signing. Then it's once again picking one of a few options with Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Nainggolan etc all spoken about.

If De Gea was to go then I'd sign a back up keeper and allow Valdes to have a go at being number 1. He was an excellent keeper and hopefully will return to that level. There's also talk of a striker which again would be good but we can't sign everyone.

I'd be very happy with the above were it to happen and think we'd be reasonably well covered all over the park.

{Ed004's Note - I agree with your rb and cb options. I think Schneiderlin would be a brilliant CDM and would prefer to see Gundogan playing alongside him and Herrera. However, I think we currently lack a world class number 9 that will get us 20 goals in the league next season. I really think we should push for Benzema or Lacazette}

01 Jun 2015 17:19:19
Ed I agree alvez would be great short term option backed up by Valencia / young. Do you not think Rooney would not get 20 league goals if played up front for the league season? I think next summer would be more likely for lvg to be looking at replacing Rooney be that with Kane if he kicks on Lewandowski or indeed the likes of Lacazette . I think ed002 said on one of the other sites that laczette was unlikely to move this summer

{Ed004's Note - No mainly because his form dropped massively at the end of the season when playing as a striker.}

01 Jun 2015 11:37:53
Message for Leahy12, as you decided to call me out the other day on a rumour I posted last year, where I said we have done a deal for Vidal, where you said your fed up of people talking about players they want to sign. This is what I actually posted

16 Aug 2014 13:52:11
This is a genuine rumour. My dad owns a building company, and one of the fellas he does work for in cheshire has a holiday home in Angelsey, N Wales. Ed Woodward also has a holiday home in the same place, and my dads mate regulary talks to him in the local pub. My dad just told me that his mate says we have actually wrapped up a €50m euro deal, done and dusted, just not being announced yet. But wouldn't give a name. He also says that Ed Woodward doesn't like sitting at games and has no interest in football. He's pure businessman which we all knew. Apparently tho €50m deal is done and will come out in the coming days.

This is genuinely true.

I just hope to god it's Vidal!

Stand-United

Just so you know, the source of info is legit, and a matter of a week or two after I said there is a big deal being done we pay £60m for Di Maria. I clearly state I "hope" it's Vidal, not that it "is" Vidal!

So before you call people out in future I'd make sure you read the posts.

01 Jun 2015 12:14:39
Actually SU you would still be far off the mark mate as a £60million deal would be around the €85million mark. That's a whopping extra €35million on top of the "done and dusted" €50million deal.

01 Jun 2015 12:15:32
Well before you pretend that your bulls**t rumour was anything but bull**t, you might want to think about taking a basic maths course. Because, and correct me if I'm wrong, €50m ≠ £60m. Not by a long shot.

So to say that your claim "we have actually wrapped up a €50m euro deal, done and dusted, just not being announced yet" is validated by the fact that we signed a player for £59.7m is absolute nonsense.

You provided a clearly bulls**t rumour that was proved to be complete bulls**t, and pretending that it wasn't doesn't actually make it true. It's about as accurate as me saying that my Nan cleans van Gaal's giraffe neck on Thursday afternoons and he told her that we have already wrapped up a deal for a player for €25m, and waiting until we sign our next player for a different fee and then acting as if I was right all along.

01 Jun 2015 12:26:45
Ouch Danny.

01 Jun 2015 12:34:49
Wait wait, before we get to the figures. Why the hell would Ed Woodward be spouting down the pub about our transfer business, get real sheeple.

01 Jun 2015 12:46:22
Damn this rumour/banter site, its just so last year.
:-)

01 Jun 2015 13:15:49
You can say what you like about the rumour I posted, but despite your "bullsh**" claim, my 57 year old father does work for a man named Richard Holmes (UK Fuels is his European business), who owns a holidays home on the same estate ( group of about 4/5 properties ), knows Ed Woodward as a result of being a neighbour, and obviously chats to him. My father has no reason to come home from work and feed me bullshit, why would he?

I posted what I had been told which is fundamentally what this site is about. Although going rapidly downhill in recent months I must say. Even ed 002 has boycotted it due the the idiots we have on here.

As for the price , yes it was off, but I just posted what I was told. Also, if you really want to get into the "maths" you'll find that €85m euros was actually significantly closer to the €50m is been told, as the euro was about 1.1 to the pound as approved to the 1.4 you've used to calculate. But I'm not interested in that!

01 Jun 2015 13:27:50
What worries me more is that Leahy has a memory that good about transfer rumours from last summer!

Stand - this was a dreadful attempt at trying to make that rumour sound genuine, I think a career as a lawyer maybe out the window but politics seems like it could be a potential choice!

01 Jun 2015 13:34:43
Actually when we signed Di Maria it was 1.2564 euro to the pound making it €75m. So you were only a mere €25m off, basically right on the money.

And just because you believe someone else's bull doesn't make it true either.

01 Jun 2015 13:57:54
The source of the rumour was true. The actual point was I never said we signed Vidal, just that I hoped we had! shall we go in depth about any rumour ever posted on here? Do you understand what rumour means?

01 Jun 2015 14:07:04
There are different types of rumours

Concrete rumours - i.e. somebody has actual evidence that the club has been discussing signing a player.

There is speculation - no concrete evidence, but some murmurings that the club is looking at a certain player.

And there is bulls**t - generally a fantastical situation in which secrete information about a transfer is doled out by somebody at the club to a relative or friend, usually down the pub, as you do.

Which category of rumour do you think you your one falls into?

You're either knowingly telling bull, or you were told bull and believed it. There was zero truth to your rumour, and we know this because it didn't happen.

{Ed004's Note - tbf deals can change so quickly. What if that was the initial fee for Di Maria and psg somehow matched it and we had to increase ours? Or what if we agreed a deal for Vidal and as Ed002 has mentioned decided against the deal due to worries over his fitness and how he would adapt to the premiership? Or maybe we agreed to pay that for Falcao and decided a loan move was safer. I don't want a manhunt starting as it will result in fewer rumours being put up. I enjoy reading posts about rumours even though 80%+ will turn out incorrect.}

01 Jun 2015 14:09:18
Ok I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I heard we are going to sign some player for about €50 million this summer!

01 Jun 2015 14:14:37
i think its absolute bs but could he not be on about Herrera? £35m is a lot closer to €50m. However, Woodward wouldn't go around telling any neighbours about potential transfer dealings, few of my friends are pro footballers and we never usually find out anything until the day before or a few days before any transfers or manager sackings happen, they're not allowed to. Likewise Woodward 1 isn't allowed and 2 isn't that stupid.

01 Jun 2015 14:25:07
Anon - Stand United's rumour was posted on 16th August 2014 which would rule out Herrera as he was signed up by then.

I am going to also stick my neck out and say we will sign a €50million player this summer as my mate's mate told me that a mate told him that his mate spoke to Ed Woodward's mate down the pub and the deal is "done and dusted".

01 Jun 2015 14:37:15
I saw 1st of June and presumed that it was last year as I wasn't aware we were already in flipping June! Where has the year gone?!

And I'd go along with that rumour JMB if you came up with some sort of sob story/airport sighting theory/bumped into his dog walker on the beech where he owns a villa.

01 Jun 2015 14:45:13
Gds the reason I remember it,I put a bet of 20 on Vidal signing for us,so stand united if I ever meet you I want my 20 sheets back lol,to be fair there was a lot of talk about Vidal but your info was as useful as a chocolate teapots,Woodward can't go telling people united business before it happens,it's not 100% till the player signs

01 Jun 2015 14:51:10
So are we signing Vidal or not then?

01 Jun 2015 15:03:47
Why are you all arguing and criticising each other over something which is purely hypothetical anyway and has no point in it whatsoever.

At least Stand's rumour was based on something, whether or not it was ultimately reliable, rather than the far more ridiculous, boring and repetitive posts which ask exceedingly dumb questions based upon baseless speculation.

We should agree a basic posting rule. If the source has anything to do "reports" in Metro, Squawka, Express, etc etc (i.e. newsnow fodder) should be VERBOTEN!

Please folks. Be adult, and try to be civil.

01 Jun 2015 15:56:24
Shaw its in good spirit,if you post something some will agree some will disagree,we all hope we sign all these players,and you forgot to mention the bush telegraph another reliable source

01 Jun 2015 16:17:46
The fact of the matter is I posted the rumour with good intention, not something I fabricated myself. Despite what you believe or not, the bloke our company does work for us a neighbour of Ed Woodward and does personally know him. Look back through my recent history and find me any rumours I fabricate from thin air. I was told what I was told and decided to share it with you lot as that's what I thought the site was about. 99% of rumour on here turn out to be unreliable and most things are coming from sources such as Metro. In future I won't bother posting anythin I hear .

I'm very good friends with N. Taylor the Swansea lb. I was in school with him, and he's from my town. Used to go out drinking with him before he moved away. Still see him when he's home and obviously here things off him. But won't post runours now incase they don't all materialise.

01 Jun 2015 16:38:33
What is the point in posting a rumour to a Rumours site if you're going to get completely torn apart for it. To many come on here now just to argue for arguements sake and try and discredit others. Was a much better site a couple of years ago

01 Jun 2015 18:44:57
I've been to Anglesey and never bumped into Ed Woodward.

01 Jun 2015 19:53:20
The feistiness in this thread is hilarious, but I'm struggling to see where it came from! Kept me entertained for 10 mins at work in any case 😆

In honesty i'd rather read a good old fashioned rumour like that than many of the wishlists or never ending Rooney debates, even if I don't believe the rumour to be true (which is always the case) but each to their own

I miss gan, he was always 100% spot on with his rumours!

02 Jun 2015 09:46:34
Sad to read posters getting pedantic with Stand United - no wonder ed002 left.

It's a rumours site, where everything is speculation, rather than cast in legal stone.

01 Jun 2015 10:56:04
Eventually the rumour of Morgan Schneiderlin possibly interesting United is now doing the rounds which, in my opinion, makes complete sense and I hope they are true. This lad should be the top of our wish list. He is everything we need for the midfield and he is quality at what he does.

Effectively by bringing in a player like Morgan you are adding depth to the midfield as well as the defence. He will sit in an area of the pitch where he will drop deep to help out the CB's defensively but will act as a link between a distributing defender and the midfield. He can tackle, pass, read the game well and his positioning is magnificent.

If this were to be true and we signed Morgan up then I don't feel there would be any need for a second CM. The way he plays he covers an area of the field which would allow us to let players like Herrera, Mata, Di Maria (if he is still here) infiltrate the opposing half. With Felliani, Carrick, Blind and LVG's obsession with Rooney playing as a CM we would be well and truly covered in this area and could focus on strengthening other important areas such as the back four.

I feel four players would be enough if we get the right ones in. I feel we will still make a pitch for Bale (as fruitful or fruitless as that may be) but with Depay adding pace, creativity and goals from the wing, Schneirderlin compressing and linking the midfield together, all we are missing is a commander at CB and RB (assuming Rafael will never reach his potential). Obviously like everyone else I am still banking on De Gea signing a new deal also.

01 Jun 2015 11:24:21
To be honest, the number of players we bring in will depend on who leaves. We know that players like Evans, Rafael, Nani, Cleverley, Lindegaard and Hernandez are likely to leave. However, there are another three potentially big departures: De Gea, RVP and Di Maria.

For me De Gea is as good as gone. If he was going to sign, it would have been during the season while he was spending everyday in Manchester with the rest of the squad. A few weeks holiday back in Madrid with Mendes whispering in his ear, and he will be packing his bags for Madrid (if this wasn't already the plan). We need to be making our move for a new keeper now before our options start to narrow.

RVP is difficult. It's obvious that his form has dropped, and the team play better when he isn't in it. But this is a man who has lived in England for most of his adult life, has young children in school here and won't want to uproot them for the sake of a few years in another country. I think he may stay as a reserve striker, but if he doesn't we will need to get more back up for Rooney because Wilson is not ready yet.

Di Maria is the trickiest one. Our most expensive signing, and clearly capable of better than what we saw this season. However, he works better as a foil to greater players and was vastly overpriced. I think that he never really wanted to come here, and doesn't want to stay. But the club will not let him leave for drastically less than what we paid, and I can't see any club paying close to £50m for him. If he does go we will need to replace him.


So we could need 4 players or we could need 7 depending on who leaves. But Schneirderlin would be a great signing for us.

01 Jun 2015 12:03:05
Agree with everything there Danny. By four players I was meaning four who would instantly slot into the first eleven. I understand a few squad players to add depth still may be needed.

I feel RVP will stay. I think he could still impact games be that as a substitute or a starter. He is still clinical and his resale value wouldn't be much so I feel keeping him to add to the attacking options at the managers disposal would be best.

Di Maria on the other hand, as much as I want him to come good I would listen to offers if we could recoup or get close to the sum we paid for him. If he was committed then I would be right behind him but his quotes of Paris and his lack of effort suggest to me his heads somewhere else.

De Gea I agree will probably head back to his homeland and that in itself is a major problem. Assuming Madrid play hard ball as he is in the final year of his contract, we could end up getting a low sum of cash and then having to fork out a greater amount on a potential replacement of the same ilk. For instance if we go for someone like Lloris his value will far exceed what we will receive for DDG.

Interesting summer ahead.

01 Jun 2015 12:29:07
I think we will probably recoup what we paid for De Gea. Madrid want him, and don't want to spend another year with Ilker as number 1. If De Gea decides to join them, they will stump up enough cash to make it look respectable, but it will be nowhere near the £30m some people seem to think.

I think Cech is the best option this time. He still has at least five top seasons left in him, and we have brought in a few really promising young keepers over the last few years. They could learn a lot from Cech and Valdes, and then we could have a top class keeper ready to step up when he retires. The problem with a player like Lloris is that Spurs will make us pay well over the odds.

I agree that RVP will most likely stay and run down his contract rather than move to another country. I would sell Di Maria. He doesn't suit the league and doesn't seem willing to put the work in to adapt. I would try to get as much as possible for him, and do everything to sign Bale. Ed002 said that Real will sell for a price, if we pay that price we will have a player to build our attack around.

01 Jun 2015 08:56:02
Does LVG's possession football really suits Rooney? There is no doubt Wayne Rooney is a genius but I have seen him outsmarted by opponents while receiving a pass and he is little bit predictable sometimes. Although Mata have weaknesses his linkup play with Herrera is of high quality even when he was played in the wings and also less outsmarted by opponents. Adding little pace to his game Mata is a better No 10 than rooney.
Mourinho is a great manager but letting Mata out is his positional preference favoring Oscar over Mata, both players are of high quality so in this situation it is not exactly a Mistake. What about De bruyne? It may not be a mistake until someone like city sign him. I read a rumour that city are lining up for Kevin de bruyne and Paul Pogba. If they pull it off along with some other quality signings then title will effectively move to Etihad next season, courtesy to two of the great PL managers in Mourinho and SAF.

01 Jun 2015 10:45:45
Rooney has been called many things, but never a genius haha.

Mata is a technically better player, neither are particularly quick.

De Bruyne apparently won't be leaving Dortmund, but if he did I imagine we would head the queue.

01 Jun 2015 10:58:47
If De Bruyne somehow manages to join Dortmund and leave them in the same window Fresh I think we will all be very suprised.

01 Jun 2015 11:29:24
Oops!

01 Jun 2015 11:30:34
JMB beat me too it haha

01 Jun 2015 12:04:31
Couldn't resist Fresh. Also could you please update us on Ronaldo? Where do you feel he would fit into our system mate?

01 Jun 2015 12:51:54
I hear he is a pretty decent rb JMB, if that helps.

01 Jun 2015 14:28:38
B81 - he does have an imposing presence and an engine to get up and down the wing. Fresh will update us when he has the info I am sure of that.