Manchester United Banter Archive December 20 2011

20 Dec 2011 22:56:05
Suarez found guilty and gets an 8 match ban!!evra kept him quiet in that game and he couldnt take it {Ed003's Note -I'm a nuetral but I thought Suarez took the pee out of him that game,lmao }

20 Dec 2011 21:44:12
eds, regular guys..what is your opinion not the verdict but rather the mentality of seemingly the majority of lfc fans?


Why is this all of a sudden a shock? As if suarez doesnt have previous! The guy said the word 'negro'...in relation to another persons skin colour as the two were exchanging insults...if you or i were to do this, i would not be given time off work and a fine that equates to less than a weeks wages..it would be far more serious.

Another thing that really gets under my skin is dagleash taking to the media about how unfair everything is for liverpool, this is surely putting it in the back of the fa's mind, possibly come appeal day..? I also dont understand the constant involvement of liverpool as one of the top clubs in the epl...the last time a checked no-one remembered 6th place....

James {Ed003's Note - James you are clearly enjoying a swipe at Liverpool,If the boot was on the other foot you would also be upset at the way this whole thing as been handled }

20 Dec 2011 21:47:29
How can you charge somebody without evidence. The decision was made on the WORD of Evra who has history of being a liar. No other player, official, TV camera, fan etc heard comments.

In British law you cannot find person guilty without evidence. This will get overturned.

Steve068

20 Dec 2011 21:28:11
Does anyone think we will move for Rodwell as Chelsea have forced our hand similar to Liverpool and Jones?
Ajp

20 Dec 2011 20:36:09
Red man "At £15 to £19M Gaitan might be worth
a chance" agree mate on the face of it. I'd read though that we've been following him since boca so maybe that got a truer sense of what he can bring there. What I keep reading of him from the sources I trust are of skills I haven.'t really seen as yet in his position as a winger and i've seen a few games now. I gotta admit mate I'm starting to think he's a dark horse. But as I don't know if we are actually in for him. I think i'll put my interest on hold. ..constantine..

20 Dec 2011 20:34:34
Anyone else think it's fixed.... Just looked at lfc fixtures and if Suarez appeals his last game could be blue s**te and then taking the fa cup 4th round into consideration spurs would be his 8th game with Utd his comeback game.......

20 Dec 2011 18:16:10
Guillem Balague confirms Neymar will join Barcelona another superstar to there team. FC Barcelona have paid an initial instalment on Neymar`s planned transfer from Santos. The European champions have paid the South American club – who they defeated in the final of the Club World Cup on Sunday - €10million (£8.4m) in return for an unilateral option to sign the forward at any point until 2014. Barcelona are expected to pay around €60m (£50.4m) should they complete the transfer

Were Santos to renege on the agreement, Barcelona would be entitled to a compensation payment of €20m (£16.8m). Neymar has already agreed personal terms with Barcelona president Sandro Rosell, who used his connections and influence in the South American market to see off competition from Chelsea and Real Madrid for the Brazil international`s signature.

19-year-old Neymar has not been shy in praising Barcelona recently (the Brazilian already enjoys a strong friendship with Dani Alves and Lionel Messi and the trio often engage in online matches of Playstation football) - much to the annoyance of Real Madrid president Florentino Perez, who previously thought he had tied the player down to a pre-contract agreement and chided him in a phone conversation for his public affection for Madrid`s rivals.PRR8

20 Dec 2011 20:07:08
So Suarez has been given an 8 match ban and fined £40,000 for racially abusing Patrice Evra. You would have to say that is a relatively fair ban considering the offence and its circumstances. It could have been alot worse, although of course there will be those that feel he did no wrong. At the very least we can all now be glad its been dealt with and get on with things.

TK-Red

20 Dec 2011 19:07:27
This whole Gaitan rumour doesn't make sense to me. First of all, I don't think he is worth 30m, and there are certainly better options available for that amount of money. Why go for Gaitan when Ganso, Goetze, Erikson or Ozil could be signed for 30m. All of them look better players than Gaitan. I'm not convinced by all this and I'm beginning to believe it's just silly paper talk.

G.A.G.U.S

20 Dec 2011 18:10:17
it has been stressed by senior United officials that Ferguson has expressed no interest in Gaitan and will not be doing so in the future, with the chances of the player ending up at Old Trafford currently zero
jred

20 Dec 2011 17:28:30
Lets raid the german clubs,

Fuchs, Huntelaar, Hummels, Bender, Matip, Farfan (pace injection), Rues etc
All will come pretty cheap, and would be quality additions IMO.

I'm a big fan of Marchisio from Juve, and i think he'll come good soon.

Minal-Bhai

20 Dec 2011 17:05:11
The player I would to see is tiote going to class in a couple of years worth a bid in my eyes

20 Dec 2011 15:10:47
Gaitan will not be a United player in January or after the summer. We have enough wingers, and he is simply not good enough in the hole behind the striker.

Cue the Syd brigade with replies of "You know nothing" "He is good enough". Get over it he shone a tiny bit in a few games in the CL group stages and that is it. He is an average player.

Hole behind the Striker is Rooneys position and his favoured position at that. Why bring someone else in with similar positioning when we all know Rooney gets the nod every game if fit. And its rare that he isnt fit.

Dont get excited over the papers bull crap, he will not be coming and i for one am glad. He will be a waste of money and will end up being sold on within 3/4 seasons for not even half of what we bought him for.

END OF RANT.

20 Dec 2011 15:07:00
You guys say we must go for Ozil if he is available. But what makes you think that City wont go after him if he is available for sale. And once they are in we dont stand a chance which is true whether you agree or not.
So I think we must be happy with whatever decisions SAF makes and if Gaitan comes in then he is welcome. I also think we should forget about Ozil ever joining us.

20 Dec 2011 14:40:24
For some reason, I just can't see Gaitan becoming a United player in the near future. I have a feeling that these Gaitan rumours could potentially be a smoke-screen (wouldn't be the first time SAF has used this tactic!).

My belief is that we won't sign anyone in January, and if we do, it'll be a fringe/young player.

Does SAF know that we're lacking creativity in Midfield?... Of course he does - hence why he's tried to play Rooney there on a few occasions. Obviously this wasn't the answer as we basically robbed Peter to pay Paul (i.e. with Rooney in Midfield, we then lacked the firepower and presence up front).

Based upon these very reasonable assumptions, I think SAF is possibly testing the water with a number of players. Using connections in the press and media to link United with a player, and then gauge a reaction. From the reactions (of both player and respective club) he'll obtain hopefully 3-4 good midlfield targets to concentrate on for the Summer, and try to sign one of them (whoever offers the best value..... and demands the lowest wages of course!).

WF Red Devil

20 Dec 2011 13:30:29
There was so much talk about Neymar and Ganso last summer and they refused to go anywhere as they wanted to play against Barca in the Club World cup.
So now that is over so did anyone see the match and if yes then how was Ganso ? From what I've heard they were completely outplayed by Barca.
I think Neymar wants Barca to make a move for him as he has turned down the offer by RM for the time being and is constantly praising Barca and how it is his dream to play for Barca or maybe he actually wants to stay in Brazil for a few more years so he can be close to his family and kid.
Anyways, I think Ganso would be an excellent buy but havnt seen much of him this season.

20 Dec 2011 11:18:25
Just read that Alan Pardew expects big bucks for Tiote. ESPN went on to say it would take a bid of around 35million like Carrol.
If he is worth 35 m, then United should forget about their other targets as they will cost more than 100m each

20 Dec 2011 11:00:30
To all those saying Gaitan (if he is being targeted by united) is not a great player (on basis of watching a couple of games?).

How many have actually seen Gaitan play REGULARLY before saying he is not impressive?

Just bashing SAF and the scouting staff, why? How many wanted Torres the summer before he went to Chelsea and were questioning why we bought Hernandez?

Who would you rather have now?

How many had watched Vidic and maybe even Evra play before we bought him in January? Was it not "world class" defenders that we needed then and SAF goes and buys someone from eastern europe in Vidic? Pathetic wasn't it?

How many knew of Chris Smalling or had even wanted Phil Jones before we made the move?

Then we have the "get Ozil instead of Gaitan" brigade. We do not even know whether Ozil will be up for grabs. Even if he is made available a lot will depend on whether RM can get Goetze or whoever they plan to replace him with. So United should just wait and hope Ozil is made available while Gaitan, a long term target who is available, is getting inquired about by PSG and Barcelona? Its stupid logic imo, and do we even know if he will be the only signing? (IF he is signed i.e)

To even think that Ozil would definitely be made available is wishful thinking imo, add to that i understand he is a crowd favourite at the Bernabeu. I personally think there is a cery little chance he will leave.

Then we have those crying out saying "well Gaitan ain't the CM we need" or "he may as well be able to play there but he is not a specialist". Well how many of these have actually watched him play, know his skill set and do we even know for what position he is being targeted?

REDFAITH

20 Dec 2011 10:29:49
Ed002 in our opinon who you think we actually sign for united in january? lots of rumours rodwell, baines, tiote, gaitan etc ... {Ed002's Note - I am not going to speculate I am afraid.}

20 Dec 2011 09:58:05
People on here saying I don't rate rodwell, he aint good enough, we need a creative midfielder. Shut up please! Look at the job jones does in the middle. Rodwell will do same job and means we can put jones at back and punt evans. Creativity is good yeah but what's point in that if u don't have a solid base which rodwell will help with.

20 Dec 2011 09:44:52
I have been away for a while to be greeted by the new man of the moment Gaitan. What did he do against us that stuck out to anyone? I can remember 1 cross when he cut back and curled a peach in and maybe 2 or 3 decent runs. Hardly setting the world alight? Unlike a raw 18 yr old portugeezer who ripped the England rb a new one.

I just don't get it? And for 29+m aswell haha. We have been looking like we are after a CAM more than CM if so why are we going for a winger who used to play CAM? I'm sure 30m could get ozil, ericksson sp?, goetze, dare I say him sneijder. Specialised CAM players not adapted wingers.

People saying he has a trick or two in his locker well so did ando and look what's happened to him?

And syd how come you are championing a move for him when spending 30m on sneijder was such a big nono for you. Irrelevant of wages as with saving all last years and no doubt this years we could easily offer rooney wages to a couple of super stars if we were willing to do so.

I'm totally with both Matthew and red man as its always a case now of money talks, tradition walks! Unfortunately.

Jono

20 Dec 2011 09:00:34
Lots of stuff in the tabloids this morning - Rodwell, Tiote, Eriksen, Shaqiri, Gaitan all being linked. Any truth to any of this stuff? As much as I dont rate him do you think Chelsea being linked to Rodwell will force Fergie to make a move for him in January?

20 Dec 2011 08:07:16
I think if we let chelsea sign rodwell its a disgrace. Young, english, reasonable price, versatile, doesn't have to move far, and reasonable wages. What is there not to like. Don't get where the over rated comments come from.

20 Dec 2011 03:04:22
i do not think that signing a top class cm is too unrealistic from a wages pov, with giggs surely retiring then ozil or whom ever could be paid giggs wage
i will conseed the gaitan rumour is starting to feel like youngs last year
i still think that we will only get rodwell in jan and if gaitan were join it wouldnt be till summer, i would not however, assume we wouldnt also sign ozil as gaitan could come in instead of replacing outgoing strikers, i would expect a young lb such as willems too

dags

19 Dec 2011 23:59:23
Just read this on SkySports.com, its pretty long because i copied and pasted it from the site:

The agent of highly-rated Benfica forward Nicolas Gaitan claims Manchester United have held informal talks regarding a possible transfer.

The Argentina international has emerged as a top target for the Red Devils as they continue with their search for added creativity.

United were strongly linked with Inter Milan's Wesley Sneijder over the summer, but no official move was made.

It appears as though they have now set their sights on Gaitan, having seen first-hand this season just how devastating he can be.

The 23-year-old played a leading role for Benfica as they held United home and away in the UEFA Champions League.

Sir Alex Ferguson was understood to be impressed by what he saw and discussions are reported to have been held between the Red Devils and their Portuguese counterparts.

"I have not received any contact from United but there have been conversations between the two clubs," Gaitan's representative, Jose Irribaran, told Antena.

"If these talks progress, then we will get our time to speak.

"But Nico is very happy at Benfica and is looking forward to enjoying a successful season."

While Irribaran is prepared to shed some light on the transfer rumours, Benfica remain tight-lipped when it comes to Gaitan's future.

"The club do not respond to news published in the papers," a club spokesman told skysports.com.

Breeno