Manchester United Banter Archive March 22 2013

22 Mar 2013 22:48:50
2 goals for chicharito.
The boy deserves to play more minutes than what he is getting. his goal per game ratio for both club & country is simply amazing. deadly little pea!

Ed, how real do you suppose the threat of him wanting to leave will be if he doesn't get more playing time?
i know there is paper talk of certain clubs being interested but if we are to sign lewandowski as some suggest who do you think would make way?

dags {Ed002's Note - Players come and go - they are transient employees of the club. There is interest from Atletico and, just perhaps, from Juve. If you wish to add to the squad space needs to be made.}

Chicarito plays in a particular way, he likes to run on to crossed balls or through balls which needs space. In the premier league teams know how to play him. He cannot play a different role like RVP, Rooney or even Welbeck. Chicarito also struggles to hold the ball with his back to goal and his touch is not as good as it might be. As a finisher he is excellent but it isn't enough given the style we play. It may only be my impression but Welbeck has a better all round game but is poor in front of goal yet as a United fan he is more likely to accept a squad role than our Mexican.
Given Chicaritos particular skills as above it would not surprise me if he was the one to be prized out in summer.

REDMAN

It is not the premiere league that has figured him out it our slow buildup play and sometimes the lack of midfield support.

it would also help if we had wingers who could actually put a decent cross in and get down the wings.

Shahram

Premier league has figured him out? What a load of rubbish. His scoring ratio is unbelievable, shahram is right, its our slow build up that is the problem.
Also, we bought kagawa for exactly that reason, to thread passes thru defence, but we keep playing him out of position.
We will be really stupid to let him go, the guy is a scoring machine and we'll miss him.
All the younger players are nowhere near ready, and where will u go to find someone as lethal as Hernandez? As I've said before, if he had played against Real, he would have put at least two of the chances away.
Nomidfield

No Midfield

Funny I was thinking if he played for Madrid he would score bucket loads the way they break and have wing play. The same for PSG as their style will suit him and even chelsea.

Our style can be so lethargic that even rvp is currently struggling. People tend to forget even top strikers struggle when you have allow teams to set up in numbers to defend.

Shahram

I would have to agree with the slow build up point, as an example with valencia, when he picks up the ball and just runs, his pace gives him that space to put the cross in that a rvp or chica could get on the end of.
the problem comes when he stops, he tends to lose the ball or ends up passing it backwards.
i think what we need is players willing to carry the ball forward and take on the opposition (as well as) and not just trying to pass around them (in some ways trying to play too much like barca)

dags

I think if we are prepared to give kagawa a proper chance behind the attackers, then he can pick the passes that Hernandez will thrive on. One thing we know, give him a chance and he'll score. You can't buy that easily anywhere. Also shahram made a point before, that all our wingers have been below par this year and that is another source of goals for Hernandez.
All said though, he's done very well this year, and I for one do not want to lose him because I think we'll come to realize how good he is if he moves elsewhere. Let's hope he stays. Nomidfield

I appreciate the defence of Chicarito, I didn't say he was a bad player but the fact is that he isn't first choice for a reason.
In terms of teams figuring him out well it is there if you want to see it. When we do get wide they know the type of run he makes and try to cover it plus also they try to keep him with his back to goal where he just isn't as effective. He scores goals particularly when he comes on later in games where there is more room and so did Ole but that didn't make Ole first choice, nor will it make Chicarito. Ole accepted his role but I don't get the impression our Mexican will and that means he is vulnerable to leave.

22 Mar 2013 22:24:05
Shappy, Mick anyone else that tends to watch a lot of players, what sort of defender is Garay? Would he fit into the prem? I am a little concerned as he's only played in latin leagues like Argentina, Spain, Portugal. what's his playing style like?

If he gets signed don't expect him to be anything special. he's not.

IMO he's be a good squad player for under £10M.

I don't rate him highly at all.

Garay is your typical ball playing centre back. He has good positioning, good reading of the game, is very confortable with the ball at his feet and scores a lot for a centre back.

For Benfica he plays next to Luisato, a giant of a man who does all the physical battles while Garay calmy retrieves the ball and plays it out of defense.
He would be best used next to Vidic/ Jones.

If I would compare him to a player, I would say he's like Ferdinand. But he lacks Ferdinand's passing accuracy and he's not as classy.

All in all, a less good Johnny Evans.

If we are looking for a centre back, even though imo we don't need one, to replace Ferdinand i'd buy Ogbonna, and if we need to replace Vidic with a typical all action beast of a man ( if Jones is not deemed good enough ) I woukd get Kyriakos Papadopoulos. He s very young and bull dozer like. Now obviously my first choice for a centre back ( if we are to buy one ) is Hummels, but that would not be easy especially if we want to butter Dortmund up to lure away

Sorry for the post in 2 parts but my darn smartphone is not working.
Anws, if we want to butter Dortmund up to lure Goetze and Lewandowski to us.

Or we can always go towards Zouma. He's built like a wall, has the pace of a speeding train and is a good reader of the game. He would need to improve his passing bit apart from that he's great. Although i'm not sure we need him with Jones and Keane looking like the future Vidic and Ferdinand.

Mick

I really doubt it we will be signing a CB this summer. He is good player and the description by the other posters in pretty accurate. I actually believe we are scouting someone else in those games and the media is making up stories.

Shahram

Zouma is quite poor when on the ball and can make horrendous passes sometimes and nowhere ready to start for us.

Shahram

If we want to sign a cb then hummels should be the only choice. But doubt this will happen. Hope we spend our budget on two world class midfielders instead.
Nomidfield

Sounds like we're best off sticking to what we have: Vidic, Rio, Evans, Smalling, Jones and then Keane coming through - yeh I think that's enough personally! Also, why buy young CB's when Jones, Smalling and Keane are 3 of the best young CB's we've had for ages. Keep Rio for 1 more year, Vidic for anther 2 or 3 then our youngter's will be ready to take over long-term.

23 Mar 2013 12:43:39
Cheers guys does make me wonder what the point would be, sounds like he'd block smalling a bit.

22 Mar 2013 21:40:15
Anybody watching the welsh game? The kid Williams, from palace looks a very good player.

22 Mar 2013 17:43:58
alrite lads. i'm just wondering do any of you know how sam byrne is getting on at the club?i think he might be a first year scholer.

22 Mar 2013 18:46:17
Can we not just buy Dortmund. Was thinking were gona need 2 wingers a cb and it looks like a striker along with obviously a cm or two. My choice for cb would be hummels, cm bender and gundogan, wingers Reus goetze, striker Lewandowski.

Which Dortmund player would you sign. Personally Reus but gundogan looks like he could be a massive player.

Gotze & Lewandowski are plausible. I'd like Reus though.

Gotze, lewandowski and hummels.

TRUMORS

I'd like Reus, Goetze, Hummels, Lewandowski in that order! Would love them all though! seriously, how much they improve the team? Obviously not going to happen but that would be the best summer ever lol

22 Mar 2013 22:11:32
Personally i'd sign dortmunds scouts

I prefer Goetze to all the other guys listed and there are other german players out there that are better than some of the dortmund guys.

The guy shurrie from leverkuson is better than Reus.

I also think Draxler from Shalke is going to be a star and just a classy player and better than all of the dortmund midfielders listed with Goetze being the exception.

Shahram {Ed002's Note - There is every chance of Lewandowski, Reus and Shurrle moving to England this coming summer. Goetze is a lot less likely and recent enquiries for Draxler have met the "not for sale" response. If Hummels moves it will most likely be to Barcelona as they continue their search for a centre back.}

Edd 002
Surprised to see Reus name in there top player imo, is it city that are interested {Ed002's Note - Manchester City are indeed one of the interested clubs - but another EPL club has made an approach to Dortmund and are surprised at the fee being suggested by them - enough to perhaps price him out of a move.}

Thanks ED002, Funny the two I like the most are the ones that seem to be the hardest to get. But as they say money talks and you never know :)

Ed who is looking at Reus, I heard form a friend of mine here who hangs around with the powers to be at city, they are interested. Is it true?

Shahram {Ed002's Note - See previous answer.}

Hummels goetze and reus. I don't rate lewi. We have Hernandez who we should be looking to play more often. But the one person we need from Dortmund will be jurgen klopp when saf decided to step down.
Nomidfield

22 Mar 2013 18:07:56
Evening Gents,

Got in from work and switched MUTV on and they had Paddy Crerand interview Bryan Robson. Not sure how old it is or how many times it's been on but I strongly recommend you try and catch it if you can, especially the younger guys who weren't lucky enough to see Captain Marvel. What a man.

So so true Ports can you remember that night at Old Trafford against a Barcelona team that contained Maradona. Do you remember us carrying Robbo off the pitch on our shoulders. He was the greatest ever United Captain he carried the club and the country for a decade

The Barca game in 84 was one of THE great nights, I could not sleep after that experience. I stood in the Stretford End and remember at half time the announcer saying to the crowd you have been great but we need more. The moment Stapleton scored the third will always remain with me as one of the greatest moments and in all that Robbo was sensational.

KLOOT, afraid I was only a nipper then but my Dad and Brother always talk of that night and I've seen it plenty of times on VHS, what a night, you should feel blessed to of been there.

My Dad loves the story of the 1983 FA Cup Final replay where Robson could of been the first man to score an FA Cup final Hatrick but let regular penalty taker Arnold Muhren take the pen, I think this story sums him up.

My first real memory of Bryan Robson live was 87 against Forest at home, we drew 2-2 and Whiteside and Robson both scored.

Of course we remember kloot. He was superb as a captain, but also as a midfielder. Now we have cleverley, Anderson, kagawa, 39 year old scholes, 40 year old giggs and carrick!
Apart from carrick, it is worrying at what has happened in the past few seasons!
Nomidfield

Nomidfield - don't forget, around Robbo, we also had a lot of mediocrity back then - hence no league titles for years.

22 Mar 2013 13:21:39
I am so happy that we have Januzaj and Daelhi in our youth and will be eagerly waiting for them to blossom. Hope everyone will get behind them. Amazing prospect with huge desire to play for us. Both will be amazing players, looking at their hunger and the love for football. Both technically gifted and with amazing football brain.

I don't understand why people here are talking about bring a CB in the team. We have exceptional Vidic, Jones, Evans, Smalling and Ferdi for few games. And M. Keanes is playing every game at Leicester, so good of player, hopefully he will go for loan at a premier league side next year. I would understand if Ferdi is leaving, it would be wise to bring in ideally an experience player in mould of Hummels or Subotic. Both 24 and beast of players, with huge experience and authority in defence. Other than them, rest of the players would be same as Evans, Smalling or Jones. They need more games.

I don't even want to talk about the midfielder from City, couple of people from here r hoping will come over. I am sure majority of us won't want him near our team.


Is it fair to say most people here actually like Borrusia Dortmund. Their football style and the way the run the club!

In terms of Lewandowski, I have read in hear that he is similar player to Chicharito. I think people don't understand how well he can hold the ball, and how good and comfortable he is on the ball. I rate Chicharito very high and specially his attitude, always have this smile on his face and never complains. Rvp might leave in 2 year time.

And than their is our midfield issue and the issue of our below the standard of Manchester United wingers. We have history of Great Wingers! I am still keeping my mind open about Zaha.

So if we have limited transfer kitty, I hope we will address strongly on our midfield and if possible on wingers!

Always welcome to give your opinion.
You all have a good day!

Zaha's goal last night was pretty good. This is a player who has everything, but needs to work on his end product. Well he had a decent end product last night. Did we buy at the right time? At £10.3m he may just end up being a bargain.

Sydney!

Sydney, £10.3m is right price from any way you look. He is 20 and lots of potential. His goal was really good, now I want to see how much football brain he has and how much he is willing to work hard for us.

Starting to get excited about Zaha - watched him a couple times for CP since we signed him and liked what I saw. The only worry is his final product but I have seen him hit some nice crosses and yes, he finished well last night. I think we can hopefully expect him to improve this side of things when he arrives too. His athletisism, pace and skill is very impressive but what impresses me most is that his team mates often look to him to do something special or to get them out of trouble. At such a young age and with many more mature colleagues I think that speaks volumes of him.

I think he may get more games than some expect next season but we shall see.

As an aside - saw a little bit of Johnny Williams (Joniesta) last time I watched them and I liked the look of him too. More creative, bit of a silva/mata/iniesta style player, only 19 and Welsh. He broke his leg 18 months ago but is coming back strong. I hope we are keeping close tabs on him too!

HBadger

Sydney where did you get the 10.3 mill from. The press keeps talking bout 15 to 17 million which seems very high to me.

Shahram

Shahram, the editor confirmed his fee once he had signed for us. £10.3m.

Sydney!

22 Mar 2013 15:45:13
Shahram when do the press ever get their figures right. Their probably making numbers up to bash the player and United with when he doesn't score a hattrick on his debut and gets branded an expensive flop. Hbadger I mentioned Joniesta the other week and ed1 says we are keeping tabs.

Syd - I assume there will be top up payments on top of that depending on Zaha meeting certain targets/criteria. Do you think that is the case?

Noname - yes I saw your post and that reminded me about him TBH so thanks!

HBadger, that may be the case, but I doubt it personally. We bought Kagawa straight out at £14m as opposed to the £12m plus add-ons route. I think that may have been the case here too. Not sure though.

Sydney!

Cheers Syd, I hadn't heard that about Kagawa's fee TBH.

22 Mar 2013 22:19:40
i think the owners would possibly prefer to pay upfront rather than spreading it around over months

Odd why does the media overstate all our transfer constantly.

Shahram

22 Mar 2013 11:21:37
I see some people on here are desperate to sign Yaya Toure. Get a grip we're Manchester United not a plastic club like City or Chelsea. The man is a total mercenary. He's on mega cash already at City and is trying to ransom them for more. If City are reluctant then we won't get involved. We wouldn't pay him what he's on now never mind what he wants. It would be better to find someone who is the next Yaya in terms of playing ability. We did have one but he showed his true colours. Now you all pine after Pogba but truth is he is the next Yaya in mercenary terms. Watch as he tries Yaya's tricks over the next couple of years.

I'm with this guy 100%, let Toure go and bleed another club dry, Rooney did it to us a few years ago and we should have let him go then in my eyes. How can anyone think they are worth the kind of money these ridiculously overpaid dim wits are on? They should think themselves incredibly lucky that they can play a bit of football and are doing so at a time when this stupid money is about. Players of old knew how lucky they were to do what they love and be paid to do so, these days 90% are arrogant cocks paid far far too much for their tiny brains to know what to do with.

Brendan81

22 Mar 2013 12:37:11
simply united would never go in for him. money afcon etc.

if people really think utd would bid for him they are idiots or not real utd fans

dont care if he was on a free and cheap wages. never want to see him in red


ms85

Well said noname, it's simply a non-starter.

HBadger

If city don't pay his extraordinary wage demands then I full expect him to go to either PSG or a Russian club in the summer

Ms85 so there are fans who would jump a the chance to sign him but in your evaluation they would no longer be united fans. Are you serious or are you on KLOOTS level an I happen to agree wit not signing him but I would not tel someone there not a real fan cause they want a really good player no matter who he plays for. The reason I don't want him is atittude but if he was not such a tool I would want him plane an simple. To cut long story short your post really pisses me off not for any other reason but stupidity

CAIN

Cain my precious,

im sorry but reading in a paper about a mercenary wanting out of a 2nd rate club then seeing people want him in a utd shirt is laughable to me.

i wouldn't say i'm on Kloots level (no offense Kloot) but he is a city mercenary his love is money not football so he can jog on. i'd rather find the NEW yaya than resort to buying a player who is in tears that his 220,000 isn't enough!

i guess you would also celebrate his signing with a big red welcome to manchester sign yeah?


not stupidity mate just my view. same as you had yours. that's the joy of a forum.

ms85

Ya but your view is if you want him your not a real fan these are your words. An please I'm far from precious or maybe I'm not a real fan for pointing out what you said was stupid not sayin you are stupid just your comment. He is a money grabber but your disrespecting fans for maybe wanting a really good player an I understand it is your opinion an if that's the case I'd love Yaya here. Now I'm not a fan in your eyes

CAIN

I dnt want him anywhere near our great club