25 Jul 2012 21:49:28
I've watched the 3 Tour games so far and my impression on players is this......
Lingard is the same type of midfielder as Cleverley.
Moves the ball quickly and moves into space for the return.
Very intelligent player, is he actually better than Clevlerley?
Petrucci has played left-side on tour where Anderson usually plays. Anderson seems to always over hit through balls over the top with back spin. Petrucci seems to pin point his passes. Is he better?
Tunnicliffe runs, closes down space, intercepts, tackles & passes simple to more creative players around him much like Park & Fletcher. Is he a decent replacement for that unfilled space in the team?
Brady & Blackett having been playing LB. Will they replace the 7 games Fryers achieved last season when Evra was rested or will Evans or Giggs slot in on the occasions Evra is rested?
Wootton has been playing well at CB. With Evans, Smalling out and Vidic still to get match fit will he get a few appearances in?
Bebe 1 goal, 1 assist for the shop window. Well done!
Lindegaard or DeGea for no.1 shirt? with Johnstone a reliable up & coming number 3.
Plus with all our defenders injured again will Vermijl or Veseli get a sniff at RB with Rafael away on Olympic duty.
What do u think? Could these players be potentially better with experience.
Tommy Tucker
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25 Jul 2012 20:27:00
Ed. Great site. And great work.
What do you think about valencia been givibg the no7 jersey. Think hea up to the challenge.
Or would you prefear if had the choice for lucas ( if sighned ). Giving the jersey {Ed007's Note - He wouldn't have been my first choice but it's an improvement on Michael Owen!}
25 Jul 2012 21:29:06
Hernandez is our second best stiker why would we sell him? Cause he's been injured and isn't back to match fitness or back to the level we expect due to his first season.
Get real, he's young, fast and knows how to finish, he just needs to regain his confidence.
Rooney went how long without scoring?
Can't belive the same fans that were up his ar*e the 1st season are slating
Him and saying we should sell.
A fully fit Hernandez, back to match sharpness will get you 25 goals a season, him and Rooney with kagawa behind and heel be scoring for fun.
He plays on the last man and with his pace and a decent ball (which is what kagawa can do) and you'll all be "Hernandez this" "Hernandez that"
Danny welbeck
Pld 42
Goals 17
Hernandez
Pld 37
Goals 13
and this is from someone who made more sub apprences than starts.
Ild rather have hernandez and Rooney than welbeck or lewandowski (who is very overated, in the euros he was poor)
MUFC1990
I hate when people compare Chicharito out of form to Rooney out of form... When rooney was out of form he still put in top class performances and was a major force in the team winning the games. Hernandez out of form is more noticeable because his best part of his game is scoring goals and when he isn't the rest of his game shows more and more
fearny
Here here
Brendan
Sorry, but couldn't disagree more. Welbeck has shown similar in-box skills to Hernandez, while being a far superior player in all other aspects. Welbeck can drop deeper to hold possession (Hernandez can't hold possession when playing alone) and can be useful both on the wing and in interplay in the buildup to attacks. Hernandez, unless he improves, will find himself behind Welbeck in the pecking order and will most likely become a permanent super-sub if he doesn't develop like Welbeck has in the last couple of seasons. Just my opinion. -KG
Rooney was poor in the euros does that mean he is overrated?
GDS
I think Welbeck is improving rapidly, and will be stunning this season... But agree totally about Hernandez's quality... He will love Kagawa threading balls through.
People get "grass is greener" fever, and I'm not talking about dope RFT ;)
We do need another striker though, what if Rooney gets a season long injury, we couldn't compete on all fronts presuming Berba goes.
DodgyBanter
The fact is that you dont appreciate someone until you lose him. Everybody will keep complaining that chicharito doesnt have the best first touch and his dribling is as weak as his passing. But the fact is that sometimes we are so weak in the midfield that we rely on our forwards to create chances and help with possession. Lets take italy vs england for example. Italys midfield totally dominated englands but they just could no score. Thats where chicha's role is. When we have a decent midfield, and we are able to create chances, nobody in our current squad will score as much as chicha ( bar maybe rooney ). he just needs a decent playmaker, someone who can create chances, and hes set.
Mick
MUFC1990
I agree with you to a point until you started saying he was a better player then Welbeck and started bringing out goal statistics.
Welbeck is a far more well rounded player as he has great first touch, runs the channels, holds the ball up well and plays great one, two's with Rooney etc.
His goals to game ratio will improve, he's only 21, (three years younger then Chicha).
Also you can't judge a player (Lewandowski) when he's playing in a poor side on the international stage. You don't win Bundesliga player of the year for nothing.
But saying that I would rather have Danny Welbeck then Chicha or Lewi anyday.
Red Joe
Wellbeck is a far better allround player than hernandez who is definately suffering from a lack of confidence and goals.at the moment he couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo and his biggest problem last season was trying to stay onside,ive never seen a forward flagged offside as many times.fergie will keep faith with him for this season at least but i think he will come under a lot of pressure if he doesnt up his game.
johndenton
Welbeck just isn't that great to me, I just don't like him since he made his very first game. Just a player I think I'll never like even of he get 30 goals a season.
and lewandowski is one of the most overated players since ibra.
25 Jul 2012 21:18:48
Not a rumour just wanted start a bit of a discussion, who in your guys opinion, is our best youngster with potential to e a world beater? I'd have to say Petrucji (sorry spelling) or Powell looks promising!
U.T.I.D
There are a number with massive potential... Lingard,Tunnicliffe,Petrucci and Keane all have the best chance to make it at the club. Not seen enough of Powell to comment on him
fearny
Welbeck, Rafael, Smalling, DDG, Cleverly, Lingard, Petrucci, Tunners...
Petrucci maybe, Lingard could develop and Powell looks solid and promising, but Im not convinced we have a single youth player who will make a difference in our starting XI anytime soon. Especially after we lost our three most promising youngsters (Pogba, Morrison, Fryers). -KG
Lingard will be world class if he fills out
a bit ! "well a lot " hehe
fozzy58
Keep an eye out for Jesse Lingard. He is absolutely quality, he never looses the ball and his movement is brilliant.
Red Joe
I did think Pogba was going to be world class one day and of the borderline 1st teamers both Tunners and Petrucci have the needed confidence and hunger to take their chance.
W Keane would have mixed it with the first squad as well but is slightly further back with his injury. Let's hope as he never relied on pace anyways he comes back a stronger player.
2 I am real big fans of are Blackett and Cole. Blackett is athletic for his and if he had already got a loan in him at championship level he could be pushin Evra now IMO. He will be a top top player (barring injury of course).
On Cole, I think this boy is the best footballing midget I have ever seen ;-). Had he been abit bulkier then his progress would have come along allot quicker. I still think he too will be a top player one day.
So just Tunners, Petrucci, Keane, Blackett and Cole. Out of those I think Blackett will be the best of the bunch.
Jono
25 Jul 2012 20:08:14
just curious, what would people rather do?
sell berbatov and bring in lewandowski and have a front 4 of rooney, welbeck, lewandowski and hernandez..
or...
sell berbatov and hernandez and sign both lucas moura and robin van persie?
JK92
Still not convinced with Lewandowski and wouldn't be happy if we paid over the odds for RVP.
In answer to your question I'd rather we kept hold of Berbatov than signed one of the other 2 players - unless they were signed for no more than £14m.
T0MB0Z
The second option for sure.
MU93
25 Jul 2012 19:13:03
chelsea have signed oscar.
marin
hazard
hazard jr.
oscar
almost hulk
the list has grown surprisingly long, and city haven't made a single signing!
my god, what is happening?
nov00
City dont need players
Chelsea have/are lost/losing:
Anelka
Malouda
Drogba
Kalou
Benayoun
Kakuka
Sydney!
Chelsea will be good next year a real team for the future lots of talented players but they were 25 points behind united and city last year will they pull that back 2 manchesters 1st and 2nd again I reckon
Hulk won't be moving to Chelsea this window... They couldn't agree a deal and that is why they moved on to other targets.
fearny
Oscar was so good they signed him twice... Might have something to do with the list being so long ;)
DodgyBanter
Syd - the players Chelsea have lost are nothing compared to the ones they've signed / are going to sign...
T0MB0Z
No Dodgy
one of them is Oscar.
and the other is Oscar
no . this makes all the difference
oxred
My bad. Thanks Oxred, I look a right tool there.. Cheers for helping me out ;)
DodgyBanter
TOMBOZ i agree but are they all going to adapt and fit in as they are all wanting first team football and they are all attacking.... Who is going to get there 30 goals a season ?
T0MB0Z, will Hazard be as instrumental as Drogba has been? Especially by next season. Will Oscar be as influential as in the EPL as Hulk would have been? I am not so sure. Marin is not great, but a decent squad player and I imagine Hazard2 will be in the reserves. Chelsea will lose a lot of experience and I think they may struggle next season. Third at best IMO. They will get better year by year with the players getting better and more experienced, but I do not think they will be title contenders just yet, not unless they can sign someone like Cavani.
Sydney!
Chelsea are a top striker away from being a very good team.
i would not be surprised to see them pull of one more big transfer for a top striker
jred {Ed004's Note - Unless Torres finds his form again}
Jred, I agree someone like Cavani would make them strong title contenders for next season, but I wouldn't fear Torres and I do not believe he will get anywhere near his best again. He won golden boot, but still looked far from the player he used to be.
Sydney!
25 Jul 2012 18:52:17
everything is so strange every rumor is saying we have failed to sign the player we wanted and then we have and we havent and then we are interested its like all parties dont know what to say not to upset anyone
and saf keeps cheekily saying in interviews we will look at 1 or 2 more players / there are 1 or 2 positions that need fixind/ 1 or 2 players is what we are excpecting to bring in till the end of the window and it is especially apparent for lucas moura i think he will sign for us by next week
and i think rvp is a smokescreen for man city and others for the second player we want
eds? {Ed004's Note - I hope RVP isn't a smokescreen as I would like to see him signed}
Agreed Ed, cant see how having him the squad could be seen as a bad thing at all
Flimbo
Im not saying its a bad thing to have him but just stop and think we signed kagawa powell and almost moura this season we are playing a creative midfielder in the hole rooney up front now signing kagawa and moura and then signing rvp makes no sense because there isnt a spot in the line up because kagawa is not a full wide man he plays in the hole and so does moura and we have welbeck and hernandez and berbatov/dembele why would we need rvp when he'll be bench and would he want to be a bench player no,
it all seems fishy
25 Jul 2012 18:26:55
reading a post about lazar markovic earlier made me search about more info on him and he is an incredible playerat 18 i think he could be a replacement for berbatov and at a cheap price 7 million euros . he can play st/cf/rw/lw/cam an all round attacking player
chelsea have reported interest
eds what do you think? {Ed004's Note - Have never seen him play}
I have and hes really good and he plays in the serbian league which is even more physicall the the bpl
ed?
25 Jul 2012 18:42:26
Sorry my mistake, next weds he doesn't get told he just has to set up the press conferences
It will be about the tour
fearny
25 Jul 2012 18:19:25
De Gea and Lindegaard are the best 1st and 2nd choice in the league, possibly the world. 2 quality keepers.
G.A.G.U.S
Take off those rose tinted glasses right now sir! Im a big fan of De Gea but i wouldn't even class him as world class. And dont get me started on Lindegaard.
MU93
Read the post again you donkey. Where did I say De Gea was world class?
Cech and Turnbull. Szczesny and Mannone. Reina and Doni. Friedel and Cudicini. Hart and Pantilimon. Casillas and Adan. Valdes and Pinto. De Gea and Lindegaard.
Pick a pair. Who would you take? Now do you understand what I meant?
G.A.G.U.S
GAGUS, you're being a little hyperbolic, as De Gea isn't quite there yet, but he will be soon. As for Lindegard, he's probably the best back-up keeper in the world, but unless De Gea gets hurt he will never get a real shot at United. As for MU93, if De Gea isn't world class then I struggle to think of who is, and i have no understanding of why you dislike Lindegard, he's been fantastic when given a chance. Take off your sh!t-tinted glasses. -KG
Reina and Doni are better.
Good point GAGUS im with you,
Cban
KG
What I'm saying is United have the best goalkeeping 'duo' in the world.
G.A.G.U.S
Reina and Doni??
haha
Unreal!
Reina is a donkey and Doni couldn't even lace the donkeys boots!
Krul and Harper were better than them.
The only pairs I think could rival ours are
Abbiati + Amelia (AC Milan)
and
Friedel + Cudicini.
Jono
25 Jul 2012 18:15:18
eds is m'vila playing in the olympics and if so is he playing at ot {Ed004's Note - I don't know}
It would be very hard for M'Vila to play in the Olympics as France are not playing...
Oxred
25 Jul 2012 17:55:37
When quizzed on where United, who have been heavily linked with Robin Van Persie, Lucas Moura and Leighton Baines in recent weeks, are in terms of signing new players, Ferguson told reporters: "We are trying to add to the squad and are working on one or two things."
That means we are definitely in for at least one of Lucas Moura or Robin Van Persie or maybe even both.
THE SHINING KNIGHT
THE SHINING KNIGHT
You know what also means that we're in for both of them... we've openly stated it! Geez...
Red Joe
25 Jul 2012 17:43:12
there was interest from utd toward m'vila in april, may, june could they still sign him
eds what did m'vila do in the euros that made arsenal not want him {Ed004's Note - I think it is just his attitude in general}
M'vila is very concentrated in games and is very good but he is young and young people like to go out on town and have fun as he gets older he wiill mature more
25 Jul 2012 17:24:41
Had to miss the game today as I actually work for a living ; )
Good to hear the write ups on here though so thankyou all for the info. From what I've read Kagawa, Lingard, Powell and even Bebe did OK. Good news!
I see on SSN they said the keeper Lindegaard played well also - would you guys agree? Whenever I've seen him he looks a solid, effective keeper. I know DDG is likely to be 1st choice as we paid so much for him but I'm really glad we have L'gaard in reserve. I wouldn't be worried if he had a spell as our GK (if DDG was unavailable for whatever reason)
Gav {Ed004's Note - He made a very good save in the first half when they went one on one}
Lindegaard is a very good GoalKeeper, im just glad we have two very good GoalKeepers to chose from.
JK92
Cheers Ed, I take it he didnt have much else to do apart from that. I watched the first friendly live and thought he played brilliantly. I hope we can keep hold of him for a long time which may be difficult given the likelihood is he won't get many games. As you said JK - it's great having 2 top keepers!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 17:22:27
eds what are the best attributes of m'vila, martinez, witsel, eriksen and how much would they cost? {Ed004's Note - They can all run.... Between 12-40 million}
Lol! I love posts like this.
This is not Fifa! You don't get player skill sheets with scores out of 20 for players' attributes! It's all a matter of opinion. And as for a market rate, well no-one knows until a player is bought! (except for Sydney, sorry Syd-couldn't resist! ;)
DodgyBanter
M'Villa - £15m - £20m
Martinez - £30m - £35m
Witsel - £22 - £27m
Eriksen - £20m - £25m
If money was no object Martinez would be the best signing out of the bunch - but based on likely cost M'Villa would be by far the best signing. Benfica announced today that Witsel would cost any interested club £31m and Bilbao have said on numerous occasions that Martinez would only be allowed to leave if a club met his buy out clause which stands at around E40m. Martinez and M'Villa are more defensively minded whilst Witsel and Eriksen play a little further forwards. Based on current ability I'd rate them Martinez>M'Villa>Witsel>Eriksen although based on potential I'd say Martinez>M'Villa>Eriksen>Witsel.
Hope that helps.
T0MB0Z
M'vila i think will be the cheapest and i think is the best suited for united
M'Vila, Martinez & Witsel are far more defensive than Eriksen. Going for Eriksen would be going for a different type of player.
Sydney!
Eds who is the best fit for united? {Ed004's Note - Imo Martinez}
Martinez is the most versatile as he's proven he can play both in CM as well as at CB, but he would also cost twice as much as a player like M'Vila. -KG
Witsel is also very versitile, hes definitelybetter than m'vila imo who is more a makalele mold ie not attacking at all, whilst witsel is fast, strong, skillfull, strong in the air, good finisher and strong in the tackle and can play most positions in midfield hes a yaya toure sort of player.
also im puzzled as to why people keep calling eriksen a cm he plays way futher forward ie kagawa, sniejder, david silva hes totally different to martinez,m'villa an co.
marlow
25 Jul 2012 17:21:46
I'm delighted with how the team is already performing, and most of the big guns are still to join up with the squad - so we can look forward to that in Norway. Bebe, Vermijl, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Wooton and particularly Lingard have roles to play for us in the first team squad and future first team squads. Lingard is going to be one hell of a player as are one or two others. I've been particularly pleased to see Bebe get some applause, he has what it takes, he just needs time and confidence. As a side, I have recently seen a few snippits of Cirigliano and I have to say, he could be the next one that our scouting team pull out the bag. He's worth the risk for £5 million. What I like most is his versatility and the bite he has to his game - of course he won't be a regular starter necessarily, but he could be a big game player for us similar to how Park and Fletcher were. Moving for him makes perfect sense and would allow our attacking players to be more expressive in the bigger games, in Europe and against counter attacking teams.
Here's to hoping the young lads keep it up and we get a couple more deals wrapped up!
RedDevil19
I like your optimism, but did you really watch our tour matches and come away feeling positive? Seriously?!?!? The performances were almost universally poor and none of our young players appear to be anywhere near ready to contribute to either the PL or CL chase. You know when Bebe is our best young player that there are serious problems. Only Ferdinand and Kagawa can be viewed as having a good tour thus far. We've struggled mightily against sides from SA and Shanghai's reserve side, and while this is without a dozen of our senior players, you still have to think we should do better than we have considering the joke that the competition has been. -KG
You have to remember that its a very hot climate, teams are trying to not be broken down and are trying to avoid an embarrasment. Also, adapting to a new time zone is tough and its the first time most of these lads have played. They are doing very well. And there is nothingg wrong with Bebe being the best player, it just shows he is improving massively.
RedDevil19
I have no problem with projects like Bebe, or some of the younger players like Powell, Petrucci, Lingard, Tunnicliffe, etc. getting a chance. But I'd feel more comfortable with them if we had an improved starting XI with Kagawa and atleast one more signing, and they could play the league cup or go out on loan. Petrucci especially could use a season on loan either in PL or championship as he's shown real class in the last 12 months. -KG
25 Jul 2012 17:21:22
Im I the only one that thinks that sir Alex and van persie are a bad match. From what a I've seen of him he huffs a lot and complains. He is a big personality which I don't think would fit in at united or with sir Alex.
Locks mufc {Ed004's Note - Yes because Fergie can't handle high ego's *coughCantonacough*}
Locks
You must miss it when Rooney kicks off almost every game at Nani then haha
Jono
You're right. fergie can't handle big personalities if you exclude rooney, ronaldo, cantona, nani, becks and konchelskis.
nov00
Locks
Firstly like the guys said SAF can handle any player as he has a bigger personality then all of the above put together.
Secondly Van Persie has remained very quite through out his career and in my opinion has every right to complain when he's a world class player in a team of mediocrity.
Red Joe
25 Jul 2012 17:16:37
Hi everyone
For the fantasy league is it via the sun like for euro 2012 or is it through another website?
Also can you please give some details about the mini league too.
Thanks
Philiphs93
Right here's my Sun Mini League:
PIN: 102965
Password: Disney
G.A.G.U.S
25 Jul 2012 17:13:31
Many thanks to the one person who got my last post but didn't leave his name I take it he is an absolute beginner. I AM KLOOT
Right I've sat for over 2 hours uses and anagram resolver and I still can't make it out.... Please what does your name mean??
*Oo la,
You can't ask questions like that
Kit M *
Well er.....Kloot is mysterious ;)
WizardOzmand
Knew IT Might lOOk mysterious aLreAdy! capital offence ;)
dave inchy
25 Jul 2012 17:13:29
Eds or anyone more in the know than myself... Benfica's estimation of Witsel seems way overpriced... Do you think their president basically said it was £31 million to warn off teams so he can keep one of his star men? And what do you think he'd actually go for?
He'd be a great addition to our midfield if he was going at the right price!
JK {Ed004's Note - I think he would go for less}
25 Jul 2012 16:57:20
All this talk of Modric deal not being done and neither Real or PSG having yet met Spurs' valuation....no mention at all of United at this stage
So, do people think that we were never in for Modric or that we walked away when we realised he only had eyes for RM?
I ask as I am a massive fan of his, would love him at United and believe he would improve us more than a wide man/attacking mid like Moura
Gav
We wanted to sign modric but he chose other clubs over us and now we are looking t other younger better alternatives eg, moura,martinez,witsel,eriksen,m'vila
Last poster is clueless
Noname - from those 5 names only Eriksen I would say plays similar role/position to Modric
Gav
Gav eriksen is nothing and i really mean nothing like modric.
marlow
Marlow, my point was that none of the 5 players stated can be seen as 'better alternatives' to Modric as they don't play the same role. I agree Erikson doesnt play the same position but he is the MOST similar from that list (the others being DM's or wingers). That's all I was saying. If you read my OP - I want Modric in!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 16:53:55
Nobody has seemed to have mentioned Andersons performance today? I thought he had a solid game and linked the play very well
Anderson looks to have the bit between his teeth, if he keeps this up he will become a big player for us as he is quite a powerful player - something that we need.
RedDevil19
Still think he is on his way out if we buy a central midfielder. It's not his ability in question, it's his injury issues.
Sydney!
I would say its both Syd!
It's all well and good playing a Chinese second string and turning up but as he pointed out last year that's 3 games he has taken part in now so if he lasts another 3-4 games without any pain in his knee then maybe, just maybe his injuries to the knee might be subsiding.
I still do not rate him in the slightest and hope to high heaven if we don't sign anyone he is still out the door. Would rather see Powell, Petrucci or Tunners in there getting some first team games.
Jono
Jono, a fully fit Anderson is a decent player and his quick passing, quick bursts of pace and one-touch football will what we need. But he does get a but tired come the 70th minute. The manager has told him to chop the mop and get thin, but I still think he will be sold. He cannot stay injury-free.
Sydney!
Exactly as you said Syd!
When fully fit he is decent. Still nowhere near the quality our starting 11 should be displaying. Its all good passing quickly but when they are either over hit or way off target the player who takes slightly longer but is more accurate is 100x better for the team.
I am utterly disappointed in how he has turned out. His size and attitude at times have me baffled as to how SAF has been keeping eyes on him compared to what he used to be like.
Jono
25 Jul 2012 16:50:36
Does anyone else think that our top priority should be a left back not an old injury prone striker and an overpriced inexperienced winger/attacking midfielder.
Ozzy
Maybe you as a manager!
Yes we need a left back, how much would you spend on one, the whole budget?
Rvp would be a good signing if he is at a decent price, surely that's obvious?
GDS
25 Jul 2012 16:37:53
I fail to understand why we are trying to sign Van Persie.
Of course, the thought of having a Rooney & Van Persie partnership is something worth thinking about. Especially when they will be supported by Young, Valencia, Kagawa and Nani.
I think were better off signing a left back, so i can see why we are strongly linked to Leighton Baines. He has great delivery, proven premiership quality and good experience.
I would also like to see another centre forward,and a Good holding midfielder.
A forward is the priority, with Berba, Owen and probably Macheda leaving.
I personally would like to see Robert Lewandowski from Dortmund. He holds the ball up well, has good feet and is also very good in the air, as he demonstrated at the Euro's.
I am a big fan of Anderson, but im not sure if he has it in him to push on, and become the midfielder Sir Alex expected him to be. I would personally like to see Tiote of Newcastle, or Marchisio of Juventus.
But we will see, I have full faith in Sir Alex ... In him we trust! :)
I really hope you don't sign Baines , I let really just put him in my dreamteam... Purely cos of pens and free kicks
I think we will buy Baines. Everton cannot hold us to ransom for ever, they need the dosh.
Sydney!
25 Jul 2012 16:32:15
I just re-registered my fantasy football account, I dont have to pick my squad now do i? Can i join the league now or do i have to wait til i choose my squad? Cheers
Dylan
Dylan, you can do a team now and update it or make transfers whenever.
Sydney!
Yeah, you need to pick a squad before you can join the league. (just done this)
DodgyBanter
Cheers Sydney and DodgyBanter :)
Dylan
25 Jul 2012 16:31:57
A bit of transfer talk on what has been a quiet day because of the match. Cirgliano who we have been interested in (reportedly) is available at the right price according the club. We have interest along with other big clubs and it will take 12.5 million to secure the signature of the midfielder. They need to balance the books from sales at the club and are willing to let some star players go at the right price.
fearny
25 Jul 2012 16:09:45
Multiple Scoregasms has now joined the Sun Dreamteam and Premier League Fantasy League. Bring on the season boys and girls!
Bit disappointed that I couldn't fit 'Mighty Morphin Flower Arrangers' into the team name section on either site :(.
MPez
Your smiley face appears to only have one eye. (;
nov00
Ah yes, the other I lost in 1993 in a pillow-fight with one so fiesty as Ed002.
MPez
25 Jul 2012 16:01:01
Eds, Syd, Shappy anyone? Is there any chance at all that fergie might be interested in Nick Powell, my cousin used to go school with him and he will be a really good player one day.
Brian Mather {Ed004's Note - We signed him. He was playing today}
Is this a joke?! Is Brian Mather an anagram or summit?
Fair play OP, what do you think of Rooney? Because I think he's class and we should sign him too ; )
Gav
My brother went to school with a young lad called Paul scholes, hope fergie has a look at him!
GDS
25 Jul 2012 15:56:05
Good to hear that Kagawa played well today, I didn't see the game but from some of the posts here I'm assuming he was the best player on the park? Also how did Petrucci and Powell play?
Rjmanutd {Ed004's Note - Both played very well. Powell should have scored but came close}
25 Jul 2012 15:39:42
What do you think of Davide Petrucci guys? Is he a box to box kinda player? Creative?
Thats a bit hard to answer mate. Davide petrucci started out as a cam/2nd striker, with a good eye for goal and wonderful passing abilities along with a high technique and impressive vision. His through ball to berbatov ( who didnt chase it vs amazulu ) and his flip to powell are good examples. But an amazing tackling ability along with very intelligent positioning play made him able to adapt to his central midfield role. Last year, even at an advanced position, he was one of the best tacklers in our reserves only behind vermjil and you could see an improvement in his long range passing. the only players at around his age with a better long range passes are wilshere and Maher ( not sure about ericksen ). So his strong points are his tackling and passing, but even though he is a hardworker, his fitness level isnt that of a park, he needs work both on his pace and his endurance, which is expected after 2 years on the sidelines but i see him improving. Another thing which is lacking in his game is his inability to control the pace of the game, something scholes has excelled and cleverley is impressing in. this is to be expected considering he has always been in a very advanced position so keeping possession is not really his thing but he can work on it. I really see him becoming an integral part of our future if he works on certain aspects of his game, and i beleive he has just as much potential as " the one that got away " ( Pogba duh ). Just for a comparaison i see him as a more attacking version of yohane cabaye ( # Jono ).
Mick.
P.S: these are self made conclusions and i admit im not a football expert so i appreciate some constructive banter.
25 Jul 2012 15:34:23
Kagawa was brilliant again today but I've been watching out for Jesse Lingard in this pre-season and he looks like a real quality player in the making. His close control, awareness and maturity is so impressive for a 19 year old.
Last season we really missed players with great technique that can keep the ball under pressure (hense why we got destroyed in Europe). With young players like this coming through, Anderson and Cleverley coming back from injury and additions like Kagawa I feel we will have a much better run this year.
Red Joe
Lingard was a late bloomer, when he was 17/18 he had the bone age of a 15 year old. He has grown a lot over the past 18 months and that has saved his United career.
Sydney!
I'm starting to see Lingard as the eventual replacement to Giggs...let him get some experience and game time under his belt this year and then we can unleash him next season like we would of done with Cleverly and have done with Welbeck.
RedDevil19
25 Jul 2012 15:20:04
Kagawa scored his first goal in Man Utd jersey against Shanghai Shenhua & he looked quite impressive. Cant wait to see him play in BPL. Surprisingly Bebe has started playing decent football much to my amazement. 1 goal in last match & a assist today.. not bad.
Sammy_THEREDDEVIL
25 Jul 2012 15:09:33
man utd are in for a striker in the market
my sources say that SAF is not going to take any chances and is gonna bring a striker definately this summer
I could have told you that
25 Jul 2012 14:49:31
Another reminder that Fantasy Football is back for the new season. The Football Rumours Super League code is:
22720-8435
For anyone who is interested.
TK-Red
How do
I sign up?
Caolán.
Go to fantasy.premierleague.com to sign up mate. Sign up then Enter the code in the mini league section. It's all free and good fun.
TK-Red
Cheers
Caolán.
I have joined the league covai united
You've tempted me in TK!
DodgyBantams signed up an ready to go, bloody difficult on an iPhone!
DodgyBanter
Armchair strikers has joined the league! Bring on 2012/13
Tommy
Sorry "Striker"!
Tommy
Good lads. The more the merrier. G.A.G.U.S has a Sun dream team too. Get registered.
TK-Red
Is there anyother league
I can't do it on my iPhone!!
Caolán.
25 Jul 2012 14:40:11
What is wrong with Bebe he has been one of the better players in pre-season and has actually showed some glimpses of ability :/
He was never as bad as some made out on here. He isn't United quality, but would make a decent player for a mid-table team in Spain or Portugal.
Sydney!
25 Jul 2012 14:39:28
Not going to lie. Bebe is playing well.
I have always maintained that he could well come good. He has the attributes.
RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - So do I}
Well u don't have to cause he is;) Still a bit raw but could actually make something of himself in the future. The lad has had high expectations due to the nature of his transfer but he hasn't been given much game time to adapt and show wat he has to offer? Anderson didn't play to bad either, his passing was accurate!
Nik Legend SA
He could of scored a goal today.
25 Jul 2012 14:37:57
Think Mr Drogba has been teaching these Shanghai players how to dive.
fearny
25 Jul 2012 14:37:36
What has everyone thought of Ryan tunnicliffe since he came on been impressive imo
Caolán.
25 Jul 2012 14:35:30
I know Kagawa will get the credit and the defending was suspect but actually really good play by Bebe!
Goal and assist, dare i say player of Pre-Season so far?
Kai
No chance,hes done well but kagawa has been impressive in both his games,his close control,passing and awareness of what is going on around him is amazing,cant wait to see him link with rooney,nani,young,welbeck,valencia etc
phil
25 Jul 2012 14:33:40
Bebe's playing well. Kagawa gets his goal and well deserved too.what i love is hes always on the move,pass and move all of the time. Anderson has played wel tool imo.
Doni
25 Jul 2012 14:33:26
Valencia struggled again... I have no worries he will step it up for the season. He just looks like he is lacking idea's when taking on a man.
fearny
Valencia only appears to be struggling because the players around him arent making the runs and the plays he is used to with the starting 11
25 Jul 2012 14:32:26
Kagawa deserves that been excellent again! Love him or haye him bebe has made the difference!
Caolán.
25 Jul 2012 14:30:09
I can see why SAF is looking to bring RvP to Old Trafford. Not impressed with kiko macheda at all. he missed too many chances to score today and is not good enough to be a first team player. with Rooney , Welbeck & Chicharito we dont have enough fire power looking back at last season we lost to city on goal difference. Therefore RvP would be a great addition to the United squad .
25 Jul 2012 14:25:39
lewandowski - pleeeeaaasssseee come us! sod rvp - too old like modric....
Lewandowski is not made for the prem league
Modric is 26, bit harsh?!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 14:22:34
question for you all?
are we interested in joao moutinho? i would be sooo disappointed if he went to spurs!
I hope we get him ;o)
There doesn't seem to be much linking him to United unfortunately. I agree he would be great at CM for us, alongside Carrick IMO. Especially if we cannot get Modric
Gav
25 Jul 2012 14:04:55
Could somebody give me the Premier League Fantasy Code, please?
Thanks beforehand!
MPez
102965
Red Joe
22720-8435 mate. I think someone else has set one up too but that's the one for the one I set up this year and last.
TK-Red
Sorry my code was for something completely different, TK-Red's one is the right one.
Red Joe
Could somebody give me the Premier League Fantasy Code, please?
Thanks beforehand!
MPez
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G.A.G.U.S
25 Jul 2012 13:56:59
i think a skillfull dribler will be able to break shanghai's defence. OMG 8 players,,, sometimes 9 in there final third. crowding the area to even make a pass yet brilliant effort by lads.. spcly pettruci and macheda.
and seems like they have taken lessons from sergio bouskets ( spell). going down ver quickly.
rodio17 {Ed004's Note - I haven't been impressed by Macheda though Petrucci has been good.}
25 Jul 2012 13:34:28
Shanghai are packing the midfield and not even attempting to score a goal. Kagawa has about five players on him whenever he receives the ball. Powell done everything right, great move but couldn't find the bottom corner. Have to say the preseasons this summer have been very low tempo.
Sydney!
Its hard to keep a high tempo Syd when you're trying to break down 11 players. There's some nice neat football but lacking that cutting edge!
Mumbles
Syd,having watched the majority of utds reserve games last season,i noticed petrucci seemed to play all over the pitch and isnt afraid of a meaty tackle,i know his position is behind the striker but could you see him as our box to box midfielder in a seasons time,after a loan?i think hes got it in him.
phil
Syd...
I know which players are playing but what formation are they in?
thanks
oxred
Yes and it is pissing me off! I cant tell if man utd are purposely pressing high up the pitch or if its just SS being so defensive. Also noticed again Brady is caught out of position alot and he finds himself scrambling back to get in front of his man.
Doni
They seem to be playing 4-4-1-1
Also WOW that was an awful tackle on powell. Could have easily done serious damage.
Doni
Ox,
I cannot work out the formation, Brady is always attacking almost like he's a wing-back. Valencia is back a lot so is he playing more of a wingback as opposed to a winger? Petrucci is everywhere, as is Powell. I really do not know the formation.
__________Linders
___Veseli___Ferdy___Carra
TonyV________________Brady
____Powell_Davide_Anders
__________Kagawa
___________Kiko
Sydney!
Phil, Petrucci could make a very good central midfielder, but would work very well next to a tough tackling midfielder.
Mumbles, couldn't agree more, perhaps the 2nd half will be an improvement.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Well Bebe's on so it can only improve}
Ed004, to be fair Bebe has been very good. He is not United quality, but he is also nowhere near as poor as peeps make out. Kiko is usually good on tour, but has been poor.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - He has been good and the game has improved so I was right Sydney! ;)}
25 Jul 2012 13:33:05
Petruucci is playing some brilliant passes!!
powell should have buried that chance though :-(
25 Jul 2012 13:08:12
Looks like the agent has received an earful from the player/club. Sly Sports are now showing that he has semi-retracted his statement. He tried to play hardball to line his own pockets but Utd have stayed firm. The bid (£25.6m) is said to be too low but we say £30m is too high. I'd expect a bid similar to Kagawa (lower fee with more add ons).
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7931313/
SB.
25 Jul 2012 12:50:39
Has anyone heard of Ricardo Rodriguez? He plays for Wolfsburg is in the starting line up, is a left back and is 19 years old. Iv read good things about him and have read he would be more than capable playing at the highest level but haven't seen him play.
Anyone got any info?
REDP
25 Jul 2012 12:37:36
Today's team is
Lindegaard
Vesseli rio Carrick Brady
Valencia ando powell Petrucci
Kagawa Macheda
Caolán. {Ed004's Note - What times kick off?}
Ed I think it's 1 o'clock.
Caolán.
1pm
fearny
At 1 o'clock ed
JK92
1 pm Ed.
DB-Red
25 Jul 2012 12:35:11
I'm gonna stay optimistic over this Lucas Moura transfer, (just like i was with the Hazard, Sanchez and Sneijder deals) difference with this one is at the moment he's only talking positively about a move to us. The others were never saying come and get me, it could drag out for a while yet but we know that Sao Paulo has to act quickly over the next week or risk losing another 10% of the fee.
25 Jul 2012 12:09:38
Lucas Moura's agent also confirmed
when he talked on Radio Globo that
United's bid was the highest ever for a
Brazilian footballer
"I can't see any European club capable
of offering the same as United offered for Lucas."
- Wagner Ribeiro (agent)
earlier this month i also heard that manutd were highest bidders for hazard
finally manutd are making their presence felt in the transfer market
25 Jul 2012 11:43:22
Taken from the Liverpool page
If Joe Allen and Jordan Henderson live-up to their potential we will have two of the most technically gifted British players in the premier league (If Allen signs). These two have such good control, passing ability and ball retention that the opposition may never touch the ball.
Well it made me laugh.......
I've saw better Sunday leauge players than Henderson allen is decent.
Caolán.
I'm a fan of Allen's TBH but then I am Welsh! I do think he is capable of playing well as a modern day midfielder - good in possession etc.
I've never rated Henderson even when he was at Sunderland - I don't think he has any redeeming features, he doesnt seem to excell at any attribute i.e. pace, passing, shooting, tackling
TBF the L'pool page is clogged up with dellusional posts, makes a good read if your bored or in need of cheering up!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 11:29:42
Who would people prefer,
Lewandowski or RVP?
Agree for Lewandowski Disagree for RVP
(not a question of whether we should get a new striker, just if we were going to buy one which would you go for?)
Kai
Rather have RVP for the right price although, lewandowski is younger RVP is prem proven, and would help the develop of both welbeck and Hernandez.
With lewandowski he would expect to start every game.
25 Jul 2012 11:09:50
The three players we need before next week are:
RVP
Moura
Baines
If we want to buy ALL of these lads we need we need to sell A few like
Berbie
And two other guys for 10 mill each so well have 75mill
Moura-31mill
RVP 25-30mill
Baines 12mill
If we buy RVP it will not be for any where near 25m.
Kai
We would pay anywhere near that amount for RVP. We are highly unlikely to go above £20m.
Sydney!
We don't want RVP, one season does not make a player
fearny {Ed004's Note - He has always been quality mate. Always consistently finding the net, it has been the injuries that have hampered his career}
Ed004, injuries will still find RVP, he was very lucky last season and would be a perfect time for AW to sell. Now he is approaching 30, his injuries will become more frequent and will last longer. I would be happy to see RVP lining up next to Rooney, Valencia & Kagawa, but will not be happy when he picks up a simple muscle injury and is out for three months.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - That's the only worry. But I thought there was a post yesterday from an optimistic fan like myself yesterday stated how his injuries might become less consistent as he understands his body more}
Ed004, another way of looking at it could be that because RVP has been injured for so much of his career, he could play on a little longer than most at the higher level. It is certainly a risk buying RVP, but for £15m I would take that gamble.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - So would I. But I am not sure whether Lewandowski would be a better buy than RVP}
Also with welbeck and hernandez, rvp wont need to play week in week out like at arsenal, hence may be less likely to be injured
TRUMORS
25 Jul 2012 10:52:00
I've posted on this page before ref Moura, he will be signed. He wants the move, it's obvious the next bid will be accepted and this is just a pure case of the agent putting some more money in his own pocket. In FERGIE we trust...
25 Jul 2012 10:39:10
Lucas Moura definitely wants the united move after telling his agent to carry on negotiating with us to strike a deal!
Jake F
25 Jul 2012 10:35:02
fink united 4get moura dis summer and purchase sahin,strootman and bvan persie dat will surely balance our team and make us dorminate games .Sahin wud surely come 4 maximum 20m so wud van persie den 15 on strootman.
Moura yes and a midfielder and a cheap lb
but ur taking 82m there not gonna happen
right now id say moura 32m ovideo 3m
dembele 10m with kagawa and powell would take our spending to 60m
we have petrucci cleverley tunnicliffe waiting in the wings
Seriously reading posts on here is a sure sign that the education system is failing our children.
Fink? Wud? Please read more books.
That is all.
Innit Blud! Blates. Totes.
25 Jul 2012 09:46:13
Morning all,
Just giving you some info that ive had ( so dont all get high and mighty and pretend you know it all etc as i said this is just what i have been told by the milkman ;) )
Lucas Moura - (bored of it all i know)
But a deal is set to be complete with the third and final offer being accepted. The reason his agent came out and said the things he did yesterday is he was not happy with the way the enlgish media took the story out of complex, and SAF wanted the deal to look closed even after coming out saying me are interested. The talks and still on going, but the offer will be submitted and im lead to believe this will be acceptable in the eyes of SP.
Lastly on the whole RVP - Arsenal are still trying to get him to stay on, but he will leave its all down to value. Arsenal want over 22 mil from either utd or city, but will most likely accept 18 from juve as he will not be in the same league, but RVP does want the utd move so it is all dependent on whether it pushed his weight around.
Those are the two i know we are trying hard on, but if this moura deal gets well out of hand dont be surprised if we focus on axel witsel.
Gaj
Milkman...
Kai
Figure of speech Kai
Gaj
I stopped reading at 'out of complex'...
T0MB0Z
25 Jul 2012 10:16:45
Rather predictably Lucas' agent has now said he wants to move to United. I can see this one dragging on for a while.
Dingle.
25 Jul 2012 10:11:22
Slightly concerned that Giggs and Scholes will take up bench spots all season, how will all these promising youngsters get their opportunities to shine? Can't see many last 20 mins available, I'm sure this was Pogba's issue last year.
Both legends of the game, at times this year their experience will be key, but it must hinder some of the young'uns progress at other times.
DodgyBanter
Youngsters at big clubs have to be patient and work hard to impress the manager, then they will get their games.
Just look at Welbeck and Cleverley good lads with plenty of talent but also a respect for the club and manager.
If Pogba thought he was to good to work for his place then good riddance.
Red Joe
Red Joe,
I sort of agree with you, but on the other hand when the only competitive games pogba played were res games and he was head and shoulders better then everyone else, and then a player like gibson plays 2 res games (is s*** in both) and then plays for the 1st team what do you expect Pogba then to feel...
I personally would be well pissed off, i would try harder to convince them i should be playing, but he was already too good for res football. he either needed to be loaned out or included more in 1st team games.
Oxred
Oxred
I would agree if it was that straight forward but I honestly believe we didn't play him much due to his reluctance/failure to sign on the dotted line. Since last summer I would have thought. It seems he/his agent were always looking for a move away so he may have just used his time on the pitch to put himself in the shop window, which was not in our interest. Add to that, why should SAF have helped him develop and reward him with playing time when he probably had a huge hunch that he was going all along?
It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation I think. If he had have signed last summer I'm confident he would have played a lot more and could even have been ready for the starting XI this year...but we will never know!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 09:27:19
the christian post has said man utd are set to agree a 26 million pound deal for lucas moura
Just had a look at this and it's just terrible journalism. It says they are going to agree a deal of 40m euros, which they say is 26m GBP. But 40m euros is 31m GBP.
Kai
25 Jul 2012 09:23:53
Sky Sports - Lucas Moura tells his agent to keep negotiating a move to United.
Daily Mail also says united will make one last make it or break it offer of 40m euros (31m pounds)
25 Jul 2012 09:16:29
Any chance that Eden Hazard's agreement was that, whoever was signing him was supposed to sign his little brother as well. I see a possibility that they might have wanted to be at the same club.
25 jul 2012 09:10:50
we will not get leighton baines he is not good enough to play for united in 2 or 3 years we will have to replace him
saf has said in an interview how good evra is and how he will try some young players in at lb and blackett looks good in preseason
Blackett's not ready and we have no1 else in reserve as Fabio is going on loan
So I disagree
Gav
25 Jul 2012 08:58:00
if you search man utd rumors on news it says man utd have agreed a 26 million pound deal for lucas moura
25 Jul 2012 08:36:19
Moura's agent claims he was insrtucted by the player to keep nagotiating with United
Cape Town, SA
25 Jul 2012 07:38:32
Sao Paulo vice-president Joao Paulo de Jesus Lopes says he remains hopeful an agreement with Manchester United can still be reached over Brazil starlet Lucas Moura.
Lucas' agent all but ruled out a summer switch to Old Trafford on Tuesday after United's 35 million bid was rejected by the Brazilian club. However, Sao Paulo now claim they are open to negotiations with United before the transfer window closes.
"I don't rule out the possibility that in the future we open negotiations with Manchester United as we received them with great courtesy," Lopes told Radio Estadao ESPN.
"And there is the possibility they come back with another offer. Their approach was serious. Other teams have also expressed interest for Lucas, but only through the press from their countries."
He seems likely this deal will go ahead and that news the deal was off was just a tactic to get more money. I think we should all ask gav because he seems to know everything and knows more than Fergie!!!!
"we should all ask gav because he seems to know everything and knows more than Fergie!!"
Why so? I'll admit to knowing nothing but I do have an opinion! Hope that's OK
Gav
25 Jul 2012 07:17:32
I have recently started accessing this site and have posted once, I do love all the comments, it’s good to see so much love, passion and worry flowing for our club. I love MU and been a fan for over a decade I know it’s nothing compared to the love and passion that some of you guys have had for MU most of your lives. Getting back to the present scenario, looks like the transfer markets have gone haywire, completely in contrast with the financial situation at the moment and it’s certainly a worrying sign as trends could be set for the future. Lucas Maura is again in the news after been labeled a dead deal last time I went through news, this morning the his club President is again expecting MU to increase our bid. This could be agonizing especially for pro Maura fans like me. I know we all have our reasons and fantasies but with all for the good of our club. I am also happy to be linked with the 20 yr old Adrián Ezequiel Cirigliano, he looks to be a cool and composed player with good passing skills, has good tackling qualities and moves well with the situation, slows down when requires and speeds up too and his short passing and long balls look good from the few clips I have seen, could certainly be turned into the box to box Marshall that we require in a year or two and could just cost about 5 M, worth a try. With Cirigliano, Maura and Kagawa with Scholes, Giggs, Charrick and the new youngsters’ excelling on tour in the mix, our Midfield could be the envy of most top teams. But our defense is my worry, I know Vida will be back but do we have enough steam to block and outpace the fast moving forwards and halves that Chlesea and other teams are going in for, the goal by G Berry when Fedi made that mess on the right flank still haunts me ? I am just impatient for the season to start but hope our defense will be as good as our attack. Fergie give us Moura opsss more !
Fred
25 Jul 2012 07:17:18
"And there is the possibility they come back with another offer. Their approach was serious. Other teams have also expressed interest for Lucas, but only through the press from their countries."
Sao Paulo's economic rights ownership of Lucas is set to drop by 10% on August 1, which would see the club risk losing out on around 4 million should they fail to agree to terms in the coming days.
Meanwhile, Lucas has instructed his representative to continue talks with United while there is still a possibility that a deal can take place.
"My boss is the player. I always talk to him," agent Wagner Ribeiro told Radio Globo. ''The person who determines what I do, and my guidelines, is the player. If he says he does not want to leave Sao Paulo, I wouldn't even accept an offer.
"He told me to go ahead when I spoke about the interest of Manchester [United]. It's a great proposal. If it was something he couldn't refuse, he would go. But he is also happy in Sao Paulo. [But] if he stays at Sao Paulo, life goes on."
From ESPN.. Sorry for cut n paste
25 Jul 2012 06:45:00
sorry to have to say it, but utd have no money, all these players being linked and apparent bids is all crap. Utd struggling to shift season tickets. Ever since ronaldo went we haven't played sensational, utd look average imo.
Said the bitter scouser as he compared Allen to Xavi and Iniesta..... LMAO
I'm sorry you had to say that too mate!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 06:24:44
Lucas Moura's agent confirmed when he talked on Radio Globo that United's bid was the highest ever for a Brazilian footballer
"I can't see any European club capable of offering the same as United offered for Lucas." - Wagner Ribeiro
25 Jul 2012 04:50:08
guys i think we should go for lionel messi and i'm not joking....also javi martinez n then evrything will be so perfect....forget moura n rvp..... d;-)
"we should get messi"
god, you're turning into a city fan!
nov00
25 Jul 2012 03:12:51
"You can't trust the media because they need to sell papers and attract viewers/ listeners.
You can't turst agents because they are only intertested in linig their own pockets.
You can't trust the players because, despite the fact that they have the final say, it seems that today's sports stars are some of the most manipulated people to have ever lived.
You can;t trust the buying club because they want everything hush hush.
You can;t trust the selling club because they want everything as public as possible to push up the price with rival bidders.
So, at the end of the day, as with any transfer, until it is signed, sealed and delviered, consider it all to be a big load of lies.
MDJ"
___________________________________
Best post I've seen on this site!
Joe
Best post ever
Yeah but that's half the fun!
Kai
Brilliant post - hits the nail on the head!
The only person we can trust is Ed002!! Haha no pressure, Ed : )
Gav
25 Jul 2012 02:19:39
Bit sick of people using the line no value in the market well let's look at it kagawa 12 million rising to 17 is an absolute steal! Powell 4 million he will be worth triple that by the end of the season, if we get Lucas he will go in 5-6 years for 80 million or possibly the first player to break the 100 million mark, so we have a signed two good young player who will prove value for money so stop complaining!
Caolán.
Powell £2.25m possibly rising to £4.75m.
Kagawa £12m possibly rising to £17.5m.
Could end up being bargains of the century.
Sydney!
25 Jul 2012 00:35:39
Just heard that United have signed a new Chinese striker..........He is called. Win Won Soon
25 Jul 2012 00:33:28
Just heard on sky sports that kaka is to leave this summer I'm sure a 10million pound bid might tempt them as we can't lure our top targets to bold Trafford. Whatvu think?
25 Jul 2012 00:23:06
I still cant get my head around how unlike Fergie it is to publicly admit who are targets are etc .
24 Jul 2012 20:47:24
Ed002 I'm sorry if you its sounds repetitive but do you think Moura is still achievable and do you think any other players will be or are being targeted ? {Ed002's Note - I provided what I could last week and then I tried explaining on Monday what had happened and the abuse started. It is not worth the effort on my behalf.}
Must have missed that!
Who's been abusing ED002... Kindly nob off so we can enjoy her (?!) musings!
DodgyBanter
Some posters are absolute plebs and spoil it for the rest of us
Ban all the plebs Ed002!
Gav
25 Jul 2012 00:07:15
Heres a few interesting facts about Moussa Dembele.
-He compeleted the tried most dribbles in the league last year, and he had the highest dribble success rate at 60.4%
-He made the third most tackles last year in the league, bettered only by Parker and Cabaye both of whom are played in much more defensive positions.
-His tackle success rate was 87.7% which was the second only to Sandro's. Where as Parker and Cabaye only got 76% and 73% respectively.
-His pass completion rate was very good also at 87.2%
-He only managed two assists last season but made 45 key passes which shows his lack of assists are down to the poor finishing of his team mates more than his inability to set up chances.
I think these stats show that he has been in awesome form for a team that is midtable at best. He would be available at around 10m which i think in light of his stats is something of a steal in todays market. He has all the attributes to succeed at a higher level, if we took a gamble on him for what 3m more than we paid for Bebe then he surely couldn't do any worse. He could turn out like Valencia and become one of our key players.
Worth considering at least.
Shappy {Ed004's Note - That is why I keep mentioning him. Especially as he would be a steal for around 10 million}
Shapps
We could get him and Cabaye for around 35m. Would that not be far better for the team than 30+m for Moura?
I would be more than happy with those 2 and Izzy for around 42m.
Jono
Thanks for the info. Shappy I must admit he's a player I've never really kept an eye out for. At the quoted price it sounds like it could make sense. A good addition to the squad at least to begin with
As I haven't seen much of him - what would or the Ed say is his favoured position and where could he slot into our formation? Could he play in a 2 man midfield or is he more attacking?
Thanks
Gav
One year left on his contract so should cost less than £10m. I have been saying he is a good player for a little while now, but many have dubbed him as a cheap option. Although if he had left Belgium and went to Portugal for a year and was rated at £20m. I guess he would be much more attractive to fans. You could see that he was far too good to be in the Fulham team last season.
Sydney!
Makes interesting reading, also got a physical presence which would also help us. you just hope he wouldnt be the sort of player that plays very well in a smaller team but may not be able to handle the pressure of playing for a big club
He is value in the market! 10 million and he's ours:D maybe they'll hold out for 15-20 but worth a crack!
U.T.I.D
Interesting stats, I would welcome him into the club as long as he is no more than a squad player.
RedDevil19
"I'm very happy to stay at Fulham, especially because of the boss," he told the Fulham Chronicle. "I think it's very important to have the backing of the manager and he's a coach who gives me a lot of confidence - that's why I feel I owe it to the gaffer as well.
"It's a fantastic club and I'm not in a hurry to move anywhere."
He's also a loyal player, it's nice to hear that from a modern footballer, I would also like to see him at the club but I think he will stay at fulham for a season or two.
Red Joe
I knew he had a good year but it wasn't until I seriously looked into that I realised just how good he's been. He is also versitle in that he can play off the sriker on the wing and in the heart of midfield. Defensively he is solid and he has shown that he does.have ability to create and his passing is very good. I think he is more than able.to play in a midfield two or.three. And unlike alot of.other targets he is proven in our league.
I certainly.wouldn't be disapointed.if we signed him instead of some mega money gamble from some other league.
Shappy
Red Joe, I doubt he will sign a new Fulham deal, not sure he has even been offered one? Fulham are expecting him to move on next month so I hope it's us that sign him instead of Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal. I genuinely see us signing Dembele. I guess we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Sydney!
Ive seen a bit of him , his best position for me is as a ACM he can beat a man and has a good eye for a pass in the final 3rd.
his a good player who can play as a sitting CM but its defiantly not the best part of his game for me.
jred
Cheers Shappy, if he can play at CM alongside Carrick then I'd definitely be interested at such a good price. If he's already a good all-rounder perhaps he can become a top box-2-box CM at United
Do we think this would make a good midfield/attack?
____Dembele__Carrick____
Valencia__Kagawa___Nani
_________Rooney_______
Obviously Moura could be slotted in for Nani/Valencia if he came. Cleverly and Powell would still get plenty of games through rotation
Gav
Yeah I think that would work very well, and he could.play.with Cleverley or Powell due to.his good defensive ability.
Shappy