Manchester United Banter Archive July 25 2013

25 Jul 2013 21:51:48
Moon it's a long time since I've seen such rubbish written by anybody on this site. Moves is a world famous coach respected all over the world? By who exactly? Then you go on to compare him with Pep Jose and Sir Alex. Are you deluded you person look what they won in their first eleven years in management and then look at what motes has won. But it gets better you then say how he represents what our club is about. So our club is about winning sod all is it?. This no anti Moyes rant as I want him to be successful but every press conference he talks about Fergie. We at this club more than any other know the damage when a great manager is allowed to bring in his own replacement then hang around in the background.

Of course he could win me over by ordering a taxi for Rooney Anderson and the Brand.

Kloot - You don't have to earn respect by just wining trophies. Moyes is renowned around the world to be held in high esteem by most top coaches who realise he has the talent now he needs the chance to show it.

25 Jul 2013 22:50:12
Thats abit harsh Kloot, Moyes has no choice but to talk about Sir Alex when he is asked questions directly about Sir Alex. Nearly all questions being asked of him in these press conferences have mention of Sir Alex.

And as for Sir Alex hanging around, well he has spent most of his retirement doing other things. Like watching sport, playing golf and relaxing with his family.

I find Moyes to handle himself very well when dealing with the press. He has said all the right things and been a breath of fresh air.

He has said on many occasions that this is his team now, and he intends to put his stamp on it.

He has shown willingness to learn, and stated that he will try and learn from everyone available to him. Like with Giggs for the european games. He has also said that in Sir Alex he has the perfect person to talk to if he has a problem or wants a different perspective of the issue.

And finally I know you don't venture out from the shade of Old Trafford much but maybe if you did you'd realise that Moyes is a much more respected manager around the world then you give him credit for. He has been looked at by other clubs such as Schalke for their managerial position. And not many british managers are considered by foriegn teams.

I'm not expecting him the win everything in his first season, but he is a quick learner, and give him a season or two and I think he will do very well.

And as for comparing what Pep and Mourinho won in their first 11 years in management is abit unfair when you consider what both of them have had to work with early in their careers. People forget Mourinho shouldn't have won the champions league with Porto, a perfectly good Scholes goal was ruled out for offside incorrectly. If that goal had stood as it should have then Porto would have been knocked out and then where would have Mourinho have been? He certainly wouldn't have got the Chelsea job which is really where he established himself. His career could have taken a very different path if it wasn't for abit of luck that fell his way in the way of a wrong decision. And as for Pep, as good as he is he has had one of the best teams ever to work with, and now his second job he is taking over the current champions of europe and treble winners who also have one of the best squads in the world. Pep and Mourinho have had the luxary of always having top players in top teams for them.

I'd have thought your holiday woulf have mellowed you out abit, but I guess not.

I am Kloot

Two words.

Grow up

Kind regards

Ianskip

Kloot,

You have no idea what you're talking about mate.

You've proven, via your post that although you're United through and through you've never seen football outside of Old Trafford.

The Moon.

Don't be too hard on Moyes.

After all, he 'has a bit of KLOOT about him', remember?

Porto won the europa cup the year before the champions league

26 Jul 2013 00:53:44
John mate, winning the uefa cup is about Porto's level (no disrespect ment). That wasn't a shock or a suprise. AVB won the uefa cup with Porto, its not that tricky as none of the top teams care about the competition, even if they find themselves in it. Inter, AC Milan, Juve, Real Madrid, Dortmund ect ect, none of these teams have taken it very seriously when they've found themselves in europes second rate competition. Most use it as a run out for squad and youth players.

Firstly on Mourinho for those who dismiss his achievements with a lesser team in Porto please let us know how many European cups Porto have won since he left? He won twice in Europe so it was no fluke and even if beating us had an element of fortune his side still had to beat others after us. Maybe Shappy should ask why SAF had purchased a poor goalkeeper in Howard who patted the ball out rather than blame the linesman for Scholes disallowed goal.

I understand Kloots concern, those of us around when Sir Matt passed on to Wilf McGuiness will understand and anyone who studied the club history will know what happened. I think Moyes has far more experience of managing than Wilf but still needs to be aware of the shadow of SAF. SAF should never be anywhere near Carrington nor should he listen to or accept meetings with moaning players. Moyes is inexperienced in Europe and I do think it is a mistake for him to admit openly he will rely of Giggs knowledge as I think that highlights his area of weakness to the players. The critical time will come when if the players don't agree with him on something can he maintain their respect as previously SAF was untouchable and they knew it but now I believe there is the knowledge Moyes has not done it yet to cement himself into the role so the next two years is vital to see trophies and buy him control.

The club knew this when appointing Moyes rather than one of the top managers so we move on but I hope SAF takes a year away going around the world because sat at OT you know where every camera will be pointed and would psychologically build pressure.

Dear me Kloot. I thought I was nagative you take the biscuit!
What the hell are you talking about?

Simmo

Havent seen moons op but going off the responses;kloot has a fair point, under the shadow of sir matt wilf did wilt, moyes not winning anything in 11 years is inexcusable really, he shoud have found a way in that time, as swansea have and wigan, and I believe moyes does hark back to saf far too often in pressers and also this learning from giggs in europe thing is to me a foot in the mouth moment as its not really what players thinking of signing wants to hear and also could weaken him in the dressing room, could, I believe that the younger folk sho have only ever known the success of sir alex have this nothing can go wrong attitude and can't underztand the pessimism as those that remember the 70's and 80's, but if moon did compare moyes to any of those great managers he is being very optimisric to say the very least I hope he is right.

Red man is totally right. I was there when we won the European cup in 68. Unfortunately, I was also there when we handed the manager's job to wilf. What happened then was concerning and farcical, as the club didn't recover for over twenty years.
No one wants to be harsh on Moyes or pre judge him. But since his appointment, he has made a big gaff with what he said about Rooney being backup striker. When asked about Fabregas during a recent press conference, he said 'I think Ed might be making another bid but I'm not sure'! And now he's come out and said that Giggs will help him out in the European games! While we know that, he should NEVER say that in public. Can you see Moyes saying I'll have to get John Terry's help when we play in Europe?
In no way will this transition be smooth, we have made it more difficult for ourselves. Some people say Moyes was the safe choice, I disagree, I think Moyes is a massive gamble. Mourinho or ancellotti would have been the safe choice as they are tried and tested.
So let's see what this coming season brings, and let's hope that Moyes can handle the pressure and the big time. The first three weeks have not been too good in my opinion.
Nomidfield

25 Jul 2013 20:59:35
Looking forward to new season. A new random right back as our only new signing with less than 3 weeks to the start of season oh the joys a can't wait.

What about all the players that won the league last season? Grow up.

Im there for the games if we strengthen or not gds, but are you or would you be happy going into the new season with the same squad? I really don't care if we win trophys or not, its nice but its not what ever drove me to go to utd, but if we don't add some real quality and not just cheap potential then I think we will come unstuck big time next season.

John,

I agree with that whole post mate, pretty sure David moyes would agree with you as well. I think we are 2 or 3 top players away from challenging, without them players we may struggle to win the league but will still be there or there abouts.

I have no issue with the real fans who will support the club through thick and thin, think that's always been clear, I get frustrated at fans like the OP saying the new season will be no good because we don't have any new signings. It's like if you don't sign anybody then it's boring, whereas I am counting down the days (16) until the season starts and we can get back to seeing united win matches every week and compete.

Getting near now season tickets arrived this week :)
johndenton

25 Jul 2013 20:23:11
Well quite clearly we need two midfielders, one more defensive and one creative. It would also be prudent if one was more experianced and one with potential. So would you rather sign

Fabregas and Kondogbia

Or

Luiz Gustavo and Koke?

Fabregas and Kondogbia as I think Fabregas is an immense player and Kondogbia has the potential to be a beast of a defensive player he is like Pogba imo but more defensive with a bit of steel about him.

Either pairing would massively improve us, but, for me, it would be Fabregas and Kondogbia by a margin.

I think we are going to get a 'big' name signing like Fab and someone else completely unexpected. Would love Kondogbia though. Would be an epic midfield battle vs ManCity then Toure, Fernandinho vs Carrick, Kondogbia!

Why not Fabregas and Gustavo?

redseven

Cabaye and Vidal ;)

25 Jul 2013 20:07:43
Evening all.
I have just seen the advert on the box for tonights Crimewatch.
It was stating that for the first time tonight if you recognise any of the criminals you can press the red button and shout up.

This got me thinking.

If football was interactive and you could press the red button and the 'winner' was subbed who would you have chosen most last season?

I do like him but I think I'd have been sending Valencia in early quite often! Had a very poor year last year.

Let's hope he recaptures some of his confidence this time around

Last season I would have subbed Valencia most too he was just shocking and I really hate to say it because I really like him.

Sounds funny as he is a super sub but hate watching Chicarito start a game so he would be off at half time almost all the time.

1redarmy

1redarmy - LOL I have the same problem with him too, he seems to play awful in the majority of games he starts. I would use him as a impact player barring an injury to RVP

25 Jul 2013 19:50:19
Thiago has stated on Catalan radio there was no contact between himself and United he says "Its was all made up by the press"

So his dad's a liar too?

Sydney!

25 Jul 2013 22:23:01
Sydney! His dad may not be a liar but didn't Cavani's dad say his son was going here there and everywhere (except where he ended up?!) #justsaying (hate hash tags but thought it was appropriate!)

Adz

There's no need for Mazinho to come out and say he was close to moving to United after he'd moved to Bayern so I don't think he's telling porkies!

Ozwald

Syd
When we discussed this last night and when I looked I couldn't find a direct quote from his dad
Jred

Adz, Cavani's parents named the teams that his agent was talking to. RM, City, Chelsea and PSG. So they were telling the truth.

Thiago's father confirmed our interest, I have seen the quotes. He is not lying. Of course we were interested in Thiago.

Sydney!

25 Jul 2013 19:39:32
Am I the only one thinking that Journalists have put 2+2 together and got 860982309723? They have basically thought Rooney and Nani's futures are uncertain so let's make a story saying they are swapping Fabregas for them. Why in the world would Barca want either player as they have Neymar and Messi for up top and Pedro and Neymar for the wings with young back ups. They are in desperate need for a centre back so surely the only sensible prediction a journalist could make is maybe Vidic or Smalling in a swap as the former is a class player but the latter has the potential to be insane and plus he is great with the ball at his feet too. Journalists really do need to think first to even make the story half believable. Anyway I think they will be interested in Hummels if they can get the funds.

Strangely, I could see Barcelona having an interest in Nani (as he fits the type of wide player they sign) but not Rooney. But then I can't see why Nani would go there to warm the bench. Either way, the story is cobblers.

25 Jul 2013 16:59:20
A lot of talk at the moment about Barca wanting Rooney for Fabregas or wanting Nani and cash for Cesc. However United want to keep Rooney, and for all we know, Rooney may want to stay. After all he said he wanted to play more, he never said he wanted to leave, that was a certain famous former manager. Also, Barca need cash for a Cb, they do not need a striker or a winger. Plus they do not need Fabregas so they afford to sell him, so they can buy a CB and a cheaper CM and improve their team overall. Finally why would Barca seriously want Nani, though Rooney is a top class player any team would want.

25 Jul 2013 16:39:35
I have a theory, for what its worth, that the whole Fabregas transfer was in place a long time ago, when Irwin made his comments to be exact. The scenario has somewhat changed though with Thiago leaving Barca. I feel they rated Thiago above Cesc and wanted to keep Thiago to taje over from Xavi. This whole Cesc is going nowhere has now become a stance by the Barca heirarchy since Thiago has gone and I just hope and pray we haven't missed out on both signings because of our time wasting on this. Hopefully Barca have just asked us to wait and leave a few weeks between transfers so the Barca fans don't turn against the board or maybe they're going to sign Herrara (spelling) first. Either way I hope we haven't missed out completely on two amazing players

GALWAY RED

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25 Jul 2013 16:18:41
This is definitely unconfirmed but I do believe 2 of the 3 people in this information chain so I think it's reliable.

There was NO gentleman's agreement stopping Moyes returning to Everton and bringing in players from Goodison, what was agreed was however that Moyes would allow Everton to find replacements any targets. Baines is one of those targets, but not Fellaini.

25 Jul 2013 15:38:53
I would not be best pleased if we swapped Nani and Rooney and Cash for Fabregas! Rooney for Fab in a straight swap would be enough in anyones book! we were only bidding £30m for Fabregas anyway.

This is what we should do with chelsea in their pursuit of wayne. Tell them Mata and cash non negotiable then come the end of the window say ok just Mata then.

Barca are a joke.

1redarmy

25 Jul 2013 14:56:40
Ed's This is not United related but an amazing article with an amazing video in it with a reminder of what the beautiful game means to real fans.

R. I. P Rooie Marck.

dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2377555/Feyenoord-fans-banner-tribute-terminally-ill-fan.html

Great idea, well done to the Feyenoord fans for making it possible for the poor guy.

Rest peacefully fella!

Brendan81

Sorry that was me I forgot to sign in I had deleted my history because Bond had been round and you know what he is like.

I saw that last night. Absolutely beautiful. Tears in my eyes watching it.

Thanks for posting, what a great gesture. Really sad though.

Now that left me speechless. What brilliant fans. Amazing touch of class by everyone involved.

RIP mate


Adz

Great post, mate.

Classy gesture.

25 Jul 2013 14:18:40
Utd should forget Fabregas, it's waste of time.
Go to Fellaini, Gundalay & Jetro Willems and solve problems DO NOT gift Chelsea with Rooney,

Who in god's name is Gundalay?

Gundalay? Perhaps we should also sign Schijder?

Gundalay is by far the best name balls up I have seen this year!

1redarmy

Who the **** is gunderlay?
Jetro isn't good enough either.

Alex Fergusons Condom

Doesn't that go underneath carpets? :)

SHRIMP

Well we did sign Robert van persil so who knows!

togthered.

Plus we have Daz Fletcher. Boom Boom!

Shrimp

I like that carpet joke a lot.

25 Jul 2013 13:46:18
Checking the best midfield players of other teams

Man city: Toure, Silva
Chelsea: Hazard, Mata, Oscar
Arsenal: Cazorla, Wilshire
United:.
oh sorry Carrick (first good season)

Where we will stand in the next season in PL?

Competing for 4th spot.

But if we get CF and Vidal or Fellaini and keep Rooney we should be surely contesting for title no 21.

In Champions league, if we are lucky we can reach Semi or possibly finals.

Real madrid has a good chance of wining it this year and hopefully Bayern will be get knock out in Quarters.

What do you think guys?

How about looking at the Midfield unit rather then the individuals who play in the midfield!

1st good season? Are you pissed?

Brendan81

I think Bayern Munich will win the CL again personally. With the squad they currently have they will be reaching the semis and finals for a few seasons to come I should imagine

If we managed to sign both Fabregas and Vidal and kept hold of Rooney that would be the best Midfield we've had in years.

ALDUtd

Sorry, did you just say Carricks first good season?

. Clueless buffoon.

The Moon.

Shut up mate your boring them teams may have better individual but were a team every1 works for the team and cruised the league last season against those midfields

Carrick has been superb for United and he has only had one below average season, when Chelsea won the league. Carrick has been vital to our success. Plus, if you include Hazard, Mata and Silva, then you have to include Kagawa in that list.

We have same midfield as last year minus Scholes (he was injured for most of season). we won the league last year!. keep smiling, keep the faith and give DM a chance!

So the players and teams you mention are unchanged from last year.

Did we compete for 4th place?

Aamir

Everyones really starting to annoy me over this fighting for 4th nonsense. 'King' did you ever stop to think they were the same midfielders as last year. when we won the league?

GALWAY RED

1st good season for Carrick? Well considering people have been harping on about our 'crap' midfield for 5 years I don't think Carrick has done too badly to help us to 3 league titles and 2 CL finals in that time, do you? Infact that tells me that he has been our most consistent player in that time.

TK-Red

King of desert. What I think is this.
You sir must be a few slices short of the entire loaf.
Those midfield players you have mentioned were the same players that lost the league to united last season.
If our midfield was so had how come we won the league by one of our (if not the) best points total in history?
Just how green is that grass your looking at?

(Sorry Eds reposting it again. I still don't understand reply to this post button and press the wrong one. Apologies)

Clam down guys. No need for harsh banter. Carrick has good seasons what I wanted to say that last year was the best for Carrick. (Some words were deleted as I was typing)

Anyway apart from that we won last year because of Scholes and SAF who are not here. Teams were usually scared of United in the past but now the story is different. They come to OT and really think they can win. I am not a pigeon to close my eyes.
Some quality players are needed otherwise it will be a painful year. I am not moaning and I will be behind the team anyway no matter what ever will happen. Won't we all want good for United.

If you read properly I said if we get CF and Vidal or Fellaini we will be competing for title no 21.

King of Desert - You do realise Scholes was inured and didn't really have an impact last season at all.

We did not win last year because of Scholes, he hardly played and when he did wasn't great TBH.

I agree we need to buy some good midfielder's though.

25 Jul 2013 12:44:36
This comes in my mind so putting it as a rumour! Man United has submitted a bid to buy Upton park stadium from West Ham in order to attract world class players who don't want to come to Manchester. Surely London will be a good place, lol. ;)

25 Jul 2013 13:20:10
Barca say Rooney and nani plus cash for fab, the ball is in our court now, come on moyes

25 Jul 2013 14:04:38
How much cash as that's 45 million worth of players

Rooney's transfer value is just a high as fabregas' if not higher.

Statistically speaking Rooney offers more than Fab, and since both just got off a bad season, I see no reason why Rooney would be less expensive.

Also even though Rooney has only 2 years left on his contract, he has more global exposure than fabregas, so he has a bigger value.

If there is any truth in barca wanting rooney and nani plus cash for fab united should drop there interest and look elsewhere

25 Jul 2013 10:42:07
I am of the belief that our lack of transfer activity and numerous failed attempts to land top quality players over the last few seasons is not down to not willing to spend, but more to do with how we can pay the money to the receiving club. We all know that generally a buying club just doesn't transfer say £30m straight away, the payments are normally staged, there may be some exceptions amongst the cash rich clubs, such as Citeh, Cheslki, Real, PSG etc. I just don't think we are able to pay the amounts over what would be deemed a reasonable time (not that I know what is reasonable) I get the feeling we try to drag the payments out, which prolongs the negotiating period and enables our rivals to whip in under our noses and get the deal agreed. Just a thought!

I think with United the stumbling block more often is things like agents fees, SAF especially was unwilling to be held to ransom by agents asking massive fees. I guess in the modern era you have to decide whether this moral stance is really the best approach or we need to just tolerate the vultures that surround any big money industry!

So the glazers are at fault for milking the club!

Marm, with everyone fit - including Rooney - do you actually believe that City and Chelsea are in front of us? I don't. We won the league last season by a fine margin. Chelsea haven't made any stella signings, and city have just replaced like for like, with the exception of Fernandinho, who will give them more impact in midfield.

I would be very surprised if we didn't have at least one new major signing in, by the time the PL kicks off.

Samthered

"Chelsea haven't made any stella signings" Two words, Jose Mourinho! :)

I think a lot of people are ignoring the impact mourinho will have. Also, Chelsea player very well at the end of the season, so they will be major contenders.
Citeh have just signed two top attackers and a very good midfielder. So they will be much improved.
If we want to go on about our winning margin from last year, then that's upon to us, but it is a dangerous game to play. We have to improve to win the league this year. CL is a different story, we have no chance in that one as bayern and real will be the two teams to beat.
Nomidfield

How much did we pay to agents when we signed bebe

25 Jul 2013 08:27:35
Dear Ed 001, thanks for your interesting views shared of late. Re your recent comment:
{Ed001's Note. I don't rate Fabregas all that highly. I think there are many better players out there for United, especially at this price. }
Can you please share your thoughts on who such players might be? Cheers. {Ed001's Note - off the top of my head, I would say Vidal, De Rossi, either of the Benders, Gundogan and many others would offer better value at that price or lower. There is a whole league of players in Portugal who have had to have the players' union step in to pay them wages as the clubs haven't for months. There must be a few players available there too!}

While I do agree that there is better value for money, there are not many better players available.

i think we are in need of worldclass ability in our midfield, and apart from Vidal, an aging De Rossi and Gundogan, there are no other players on fabregas' level we have a chance of guetting.

Vidal is one of the most complete midfielders I've seen, he has everything do u know of any interest in him ed?. {Ed001's Note - not this window I don't, unfortunately. I would love to see him in the Prem, he is a fantastic player.}

This has nothing to do with Fabragas. The hold up with this is obviously to do with the fact that Barca have just appointed a new manager. They have probably told United that their decision will be made when the new manager has time to assess the situation himself.

I don't know much about their new manager, but I know, from what I have read, that he is quite defence minded; therefore, he might look at the current Barca team, and think that they need a new CB or two, which is an area that they need to improve.

I still think we will sign the Fabragas. We wouldn't be wasting our time pursuing someone that we have no chance of signing.

Though I wouldn't agree with all the names the Ed mentions being better than Fabregas, I certainly agree with his sentiment.
There is no doubt Fabregas is an excellent player and would be a good signing, but I just can't warm to him due to his history meaning he wouldn't seem like "our player" similar to Modric.
None of the signs look that positive for us signing him though we don't really know what is happening behind the scenes. As the Ed mentions, not just some of the "names" may represent better value than Fabregas but there are probably loads of youngsters that could be better lon gterm value. Look at the U21s and U20s for example, some of the players in the Spain midfield that have and haven't already moved Thiago, Illaremendi, Koke, Torres not to mention Portugal, South America.
Invisible STuey

Mick, we're all aging! de Rossi is 28 so at the peak of his career

De Rossi is 30 this month

You're right about that, my mistake. 24 July to be precise.

I still think he'd be half the solution to our midfield problem. Four or Five years left at the top level and fantastic experience to help our younger players.

25 Jul 2013 09:35:15
I'll go back on my own words, in a previous post "good luck getting Vidal from Juve", Vidal has, last week, come out and publically denied signing a new contract, I always take this as player speak for come and get me.

Vidal would be ideal for us, superb tackling, an engine Bugatti would be proud of, great foresight and passes well. Real are now reported to be ready to put in an offer for him, but if they really want Bale, can even they afford both? I really believe this one signing, though i'd prefer 3 LB + 2 mid/winger, would transform our team.

According to Thiago's dad we lost out on him because we would not go the extra yard. That's fine maybe DM does not rate him as much as some of us. We do seem to be prepared to go the extra for Cesc, excellent player, but I don't believe he would be as influential in our team as Vidal both and we are in heaven. I think Fabregas deal will be decided by what is said between him and his new manager.

25 Jul 2013 09:18:41
Verheijen tweeted:

"In Sydney Moyes said: 'We've overtrained Robin this week to build up his fitness'. [In Japan] he picked up muscle injury. It really makes you wonder how these prehistoric training methods can still take place at the highest level.

"The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys.

You cannot push players like Carrick & RvP like Moyes would like to do. They need to do their own training regimes. Not a single muscle injury in 2012/13 season and both Carrick & RvP pick up muscle injuries within a week of Moyes' training. Did he ruin Rodwell? I think this needs looking into or we will suffer next season.

Sydney!

RvP had a slight thigh strain at one point which he picked up during a match for Holland.

rpc

This is something I feared as soon as Moyes was announced. It's no secret RVP has struggled with muscle injuries in the past, let's just hope Moyes and his staff are wise enough to adapt their ways to suit players like RVP, Rio etc.

Do you not think sitting on planes, trains and automobiles travelling across half the world may of had an affect on the ''older'' players!

How nieve can you get? Of course Moyes and his staff know how to look after players vis training. RVP plays on Friday.
SOC

If you look up the injury league from last season as well you will see Everton are 4th from bottom and United are 4th from top and that's with Everton's average team age being older then United's!

25 Jul 2013 08:51:26
Morning Gents,

Saw a quote from the Inter President, Morrati regarding Paul Scholes:

"We tried really hard to sign him, we gave Manchester United a blank cheque, we talked to him, his reply was short and simple, "If you want me to play for you, you'd have to buy this club!""

This is the type of player we want at United, not players who are here for the money. It is frustrating that we haven't signed anyone but believe me, when we do, that player or those players will WANT to play for us.

Maybe we need to put Paul Scholes in charge of negotiations! Legend.

Ports, Paul scholes was a fantastic player, honest and down to earth. He was also a relatively local player who grew up in the united academy and had a lot of bond with the club. The same goes for the Neville brothers, Nicky butt, Giggs, and even David Beckham.
But let's get real here, we can't stop buying top players just because they didn't get born with united in their hearts. No one in Spain, Argentina or Brazil grows up thinking I must play for united! That's just not realistic I'm afraid.
What we can do is make sure when we get them that they are taught in the united way. And most of them in the past, have been very loyal to the club, even when they've left.
If we want the top talent, we need to pay them the going rate, match their ambition on the pitch and show them that united will always be top dogs.
Nomidfield

Nomidfield,

I haven't said we shouldn't buy players, what I have said is that we should and will buy players who WANT to come to United for what the club is, not because we are offering more money then anyone else.

RVP is a prime example, he wanted to come to United when he could of got a higher wage at City! Nasri choose City over United because they offered more!

I used Paul Scholes as an example of what players attitudes should be like now, Scholesy didn't even have an agent! It doesn't matter if the player is from Manchester or a tiny village in Brazil, players all over the world will have a desire to play for United and these are the players we want, not the ones who flirt with clubs to get a bigger pay rise.

The point is, if we're in for a player against Chelsea and City and they choose either of them ahead of us then they are not the right player for us as their priorities obviously lie else where! ££££££££

Zaha is an Arsenal fan but when United came knocking he knew he had to sign for us, wouldn't of been because of the money because we have a strict wage structure which is why certain players have left because we refused to break that structure!

25 Jul 2013 08:37:24
I said a while back we would not reveal new players until after the current tour. i'm not saying I'm not saying I have inside info but I still think this will be the case. A lot of speculation around players linked earlier in the window has gone very quiet. There is a lot of frustration across our posts due to the current lack of visible action. let's keep the faith, we are Manchester United not a bunch of amateurs. I can see one big press conference on the horizon!

Mummy, season starts in three weeks. When were we thinking of getting these players in? Also, they need time to settle in and playing to our system, find homes, move their family etc. The longer we delay it, the longer they'll take to settle in.
Nomidfield

To be honest, Moyes did say in his first press conference that he expected deals to happen towards the end of the window. So it's now or never in my opinion. Also, if we had of signed Cesc by now, i'm pretty sure he wouldn't of joined the club till after the tour, due to the Confed cup. Just a thought

25 Jul 2013 06:25:49
This Fabregas circus has gone on long enough. We need to move on and look at other options, this has rumbled on for over two weeks, we should just give Barca an ultimatum and say that we need a yes or no by a certain date otherwise we are going to waste a full summer chasing one player.
If this carries on we're are going to end up with a panic buy or absolutely nothing.
Every summer is the same, we're linked with players, we make a bid and it rumbles on and on where as other clubs seem to just be able to get the deals done without any problem. In the time of us putting our first bid in for Fabregas City have bought three players without any hitch or problem.
Why hasn't Moyes / United bid for any other players apart from Baines, what is happening about Baines. Are we going to bid for Fellaini?
I'm also worried now because the papers are reporting that we are interested in Cabaye who is average at best.
What are we waiting for?

Simmo

I believe Barca have allready said No, so it's not them who should be given an ultimatum.

Simmo,

You have made the age old mistake of reading the newspapers and believing everything you read. As far as I am aware united have made 2 bids for fabregas, the 2nd of which has not been rejected.

Everything else you read in the press is a rumour, made up in order to make gullible people believe stories.

Most people on here have been in agreement for a long time that the squad is fine and we need first team players to help us challenge on all fronts. I am pretty certain that moyes is in full agreement with this.

If we are looking to sign top top players then we are going to have to wait and negotiations will be tough. If you wanted us to sign players early we could have signed players like navas, jovetic and negredo that would not have improved our 1st team.

Be patient, I am sure the club knows what they are doing.

Agreed simmo. It is worrying that things are taking so long. Fabregas clearly doesn't want to leave barca. I think he'll only leave to get more football. But Xavi isn't getting any younger, so Fabregas will soon get his chance there. My personal views is that we will not get him.
We looked at Lewi and he wanted Bayern, we looked at thiago and dragged our heels until he chose barca, even his dad said he was close to joining us but could not reach agreement?! And now we have the Fabregas saga.
I'm also worried that we'll go and get cabaye, he had one decent season with Newcastle where the whole team played well, but he's not the answer to our midfield problem.
There are lots of other mid fielders who might be available as the other posters have already pointed out, so we should give barca an ultimatum and if they don't sell him to us then that's that.
One last point, Fabregas has never liked our club. I know he was playing for arsenal and had to be fully committed to them, but he really disliked us. So could this be his way of leading us on, only to tell us to p. s off at the last minute?
Nomidfield

GDS, Jovetic is exactly what we need on the left to be fair mate. He would also be that "back up" striker if RvP was injured.

Simmo, MU will not bid unless they have had an indication that a move is possible. The club will know what they are doing.

That being said I am as nervous as the next man, so I feel your tension ;)

Sydney!

GDS2

You have made the mistake of not reading my post properly.
I never said that Barcelona have rejected our second bid, if you read the post properly I said that we are wasting valuable time and we should give Barcelona an ultimatium / date if they will sell Fabregas to us or not.
Comparing City's signings to our team is silly, obviously Moyes has his own ideas about what players he wants, if he was interested in signing the likes of Navas, Jovetic, Negredo etc then he obviusly would have made a move for them but to say Jovetic, Navas and Negredo wouldn't improve out squad is pretty silly isn't it.
Jovetic is a quality footballer, I would take Navas over Nani and Valencia any day and Negredo is a better striker than Welbeck in my opinion so there you have it, they would of improved our squad but they are obviusley not the right players that Moyes want's to sign.

Simmo

Simmo,

I never said they wouldn't improve our squad, I said they wouldn't improve our first team which I don't think they would. We need something much much better than what we already have and preferably in midfield.

Maybe you should heed your own advice and read what I said ;)

GDS2

So Nani and Young are now better than Jovetic are they? Valencia is better than Navas.
Give your head a wobble and take your MUFC blinkers off will you.

Simmo

Simmo - Jovetic is a good player and would be an improvement on our left side but not drastically imo and Navas is the same kind of thing as well they are both good but not great. An on form Nani, Valencia or Young are just as good but they struggle to get form which is the problem.

Simmo,

I think Valencia is better than Navas yes, he has the Premier League experience and may take a while to settle in.

I haven't seen much of Jovetic to be honest, but if we felt they were worth the money I am pretty sure we would have bid for them.

Our main issue is our midfield, I am happy to take as long as we can to get a top class midfielder that will help us in all competitions, and I believe the club are working hard on this deal as well as others.

25 Jul 2013 04:03:36
On the basis of availability, price and quality Luis Gustavo has become my number one choice as a midfield signing.

He is a very good box to box mid and a very good long passer, left footed as well.

25 Jul 2013 00:53:04
My biggest worry is we are not the draw we were to top young players who see teams like bayern. , barca and real as the main players in Europe. We struggled in the market with a legend in charge and now with the club in transition I fear come August 31 moyes may resort to last Minute bargain bucket players. Sometimes throwing money at the parent club means nothing if the player doesn't have faith in the new unproven in europe manager, really hope I'm wrong. andog

Moyes is unknown in world football, so that is one piece of pulling power we do not have.

The north west is not famous for its weather and beaches, so there goes another one

25 Jul 2013 08:24:14
When have we ever competed for the "top players" in world football?

Under Sir Alex we rarely signed any top players who were playing outside of the Premier league.

I can only think of Ruud Van Nistlerooy and Juan Sebastian Veron as the only "top players" that Sir Alex bought from outside of the Premier league. One was a huge hit, the other abit of a flop. Other than that all of our purchases have been either young talanted players or top players from within the Premier league such as RvP, Rio, Valencia, Rooney, Carrick, Cole, Keane, Cantona ect ect.

Most of our buys from outside the Prem have been young players who we can mould into top players. Players such as Ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, Solskjear ect ect.

So as you can see even with Sir Alex in charge we never attracted the Zidane's the Figo's, the Nedved's, the Khan's or the Ronaldinho's.

So don't try and lay the blame for these type of players not coming to our club now at David Moyes door, the truth is we have never managed to attract these players to our club even with the greatest manager of all time at our club.

Its just not our style to go out and sign Galactico's, we make them instead.

Shappy I wouldn't of called vidic and evra young players when we bought them :)
johndenton

Moyes in unknown in the world of football. are you for real.
He's a very well respected coach around europe and has been and studied teams coaching techinques both in Spain and in Italy.
Absolute garbage!

Simmo

Sharply, while I agree to some extent, I'd not see city struggling to get top players in from overseas? Yaya toure, Sergio aguerro, Davide Silva?
So what is stopping us, united, one of the top teams in the world from attracting the top players?
I'm not saying that we need to be like Real, but we need two or three top players to come in, and if I was them, Moyes will not be top of managers I like to play for. They will choose, pep, mourinho, ancelotti and klopp before Moyes.
Nomidfield

NM,

Them 'top' players finished 11 points behind our rubbish midfield last season didn't they?

25 Jul 2013 12:09:18
Nomidfield, I think your getting mixed up between what you want and what we need. We all want to see top players come in. But for over 20 years under Sir Alex we managed to do pretty well without signing these top players.

Like I said we make top players rather than buy them.

As for what City are doing? Relax let them do things their way and we'll do things are way. Over the last 20 years who has been more successful?

City attract the top players buy paying over the odds for them and paying them far too much money. We still have debt and we can't afford to spend beyond our means.

24 Jul 2013 23:33:15
Sorry to bother you Eds, but a lot of posters have been mention Erik Lamela lately and I just wanted to know if United have shown any interest or is there any chance they could pursue him later in the transfer window? Thanks in advance.
Big Red J {Ed052's Note - no and no. He has complicated ownership issues which made City scared. So I cannot see you being able to fix them, and interest in him is of course the other issue!}

25 Jul 2013 03:17:46
luxury player like nani not the hard workers moyes likes