Manchester United Banter Archive June 03 2015

03 Jun 2015 23:13:50
Can anyone please confirm whether or not we have made any new signings yet, I'm starting to get a little bit worried and anxious again, Louis Van Gall said he wanted to get all his transfer activities out the way as soon as he can this year, the season finished a few weeks ago now and still we haven't signed anyone, and he goes on a flaming holiday, it's got David Moyes written all over it again and I'm starting to get sick of this now, it's a recurring theme each and every transfer window bar last year, why can the other teams always get their man and we're left with second rate players on deadline day, clearly the hierarchy don't have the faith in LVG anymore and don't trust him to spend big again, only Mata and Herrera have been good this year bar DDG, and then what are we going to do if he decides to leave on deadline day, Alves is too old to start and our old reserve one just isn't good enough (can't remember his name), we can kiss goodbye to champions league next year, defo won't make top 4 with this ageing squad, even RVP has come out today and said he wants to leave. there are players out there who we can get for free, take Danny Ings for example if RVP really does want to leave, I'm just hoping and praying that he is just using us for a new deal. I don't want another debacle like last year but I feel it's only going to happen all over again then LVG will get sacked like moyes and then we are back to square one, thoughts.

03 Jun 2015 23:53:29
Transfer window is open yet calm down

04 Jun 2015 00:18:10
The window is shut,wait till it's open

04 Jun 2015 00:37:00
This is a joke right?

04 Jun 2015 02:00:18
Was this sarcastic or serious?

04 Jun 2015 04:11:04
Bahaha put it on a little heavy but still hilarious

04 Jun 2015 06:14:45
I was sat hear reading the post and thought to myself is Douglas actually serious or taking the p1ss.
Your are winding us up surely Doug, if not then FFS get a grip man, that post is by far the most doom n gloom I have ever read on here.
I nearly started crying myself and I'm a grown ass man.

04 Jun 2015 08:24:43
Duggo, You remind me of Bill Paxton's character in Aliens. Chill out, man!.

And as far as saying we haven't signed anyone, what about Depay??

If you really think VG has gone on holiday and put everything on hold, you are deluded. The man has a plan and its being implemented. Its not quite as easy as going into a sweet shop and pick n mixing all the goodies you want. Its a little more complicated than, that.

Grab a beer, enjoy the sun we are finally getting, and wait for the window to open.

04 Jun 2015 08:30:15
Nice one Douglas, you got a few bits pal :-)

04 Jun 2015 08:43:19
Transfer window doesn't open until July 1st I believe

04 Jun 2015 09:40:45
I agree with you Doug.

04 Jun 2015 09:59:02
LOL JMB i see what u did there! LP

04 Jun 2015 10:42:53
If you'd read Douglas's previous posts, you'll know this is a wind-up. Nice one, mate.

04 Jun 2015 11:33:37
Noucamp

Yep, just looked at his previous and I still don't get it, I'm surely missing something.

03 Jun 2015 20:43:12
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Physical Power or Passing Prowess.

03 Jun 2015 16:22:01
Afternoon, a player that seems to be overlooked when suggesting strikers in Lukaku. Now although potentially not my first choice, I think after his recent comments and having, it seems a good professional relationship with Everton, perhaps he is a striker we should consider. He has some great attributes such as pace, strength, good in the air and most importantly, he can score. 8 in 9 in Europe this season and although only 10 in the league, Everton struggled all this season. I think he can adapt to our style as well as he can hold the ball up and run in behind. I was gutted when Chelsea signed him and surprised they didn't develop and use him better but at 22, he has time on his side and I think he'd also be more open to squad rotation then a Benzema or Cavani, although they'd be my preference.

03 Jun 2015 16:44:28
No way for me, far too inconsistent and not technically good enough for a possession based game imo.

In saying that if we signed Benteke, Lakuku and stuck Fellaini in the hole it would be funny to watch!

03 Jun 2015 16:52:02
Don't rate him at all Ports.

03 Jun 2015 17:38:27
He has a poor first touch, which is worrying for someone aiming to be a top calibre player. Also I'm sure Ed002 implied there was an issue at Chelsea so he was forced to leave and there have been rumours of poor attitude at Everton too, certainly worth consideration before any attempt to sign. He cost them a hell of a lot too and would imagine they'd want a big profit on that.

He is still young and has some good attributes but I'd steer clear for the above reasoning.

03 Jun 2015 18:27:23
Oh, fair comments gentleman. I think he has something to offer but if his attitude is how you have portrayed it then he's not worth a punt. I just think with all the calls for Benteke, there isn't much in it between him and Lukaku. So can I assume Fellani off Benteke and Lukaku is completely off the cards for everyone? I can sense Beast coming round to it!

03 Jun 2015 19:09:53
He's Belgian though! So that'll please Ronnie!

03 Jun 2015 19:54:10
I'd be ecstatic! (Sarcasm)

03 Jun 2015 20:06:16
I rate Lukaku and would love to bring him in if RVP is leaving but he is fairly inconsistent. That being said he is sti very young, physically a beast, and is typically good for 20 goals a season. Although given how fickle our fans can be I would worry about people turning on him pretty quickly if he doesn't produce right away.

03 Jun 2015 20:51:47
Are we interested In Crouch as well? If weare going for humerous front lines Beast!

03 Jun 2015 12:33:58
I see where borussia dortmund and Liverpool have come to agreement over Reus,they have agreed Liverpool are never going to sign him

03 Jun 2015 10:06:54
Caughtoffide -> metro-> squawka-> calciomerato -> dailystar says Gundogan will join United.

'->' means 'links to'
I don't navigate to dailystar to see who they link it to.
Every paper or website scavenging on others for their meal.

03 Jun 2015 16:34:27
Don't read them, simples ;).

03 Jun 2015 00:35:41
Anyone had a look on the Everton page? There fans are going into meltdown over the players they want this summer. Aparantly they want to sign Evans and want to take blackett on loan, aswell as taking cleverly on a free lol.we may aswell chuck in nani and valencia and get either lukaku or Coleman off them and watch them get relegated with half a team of our deadwood😂😂

03 Jun 2015 00:46:55
If you want to really have a laugh take a look at the Liverpool page. Half the posters have went into meltdown over Rodgers staying and the other half are hating on the incoming of James Milner. It's carnage!

03 Jun 2015 00:53:57
You are talking about 3 homegrown players here and referring to them as deadwood. No wonder they are in such a hurry to foxtrot Oscar.

03 Jun 2015 01:21:42
Ed025 will be in bad form for a few weeks being linked with them,I watched the cup final with my daughter and she said dad how did that cleverly get on the united team,I couldn't answer her I was baffled myself when I thought about it.

03 Jun 2015 07:13:24
Agreed, supasub. Hate that phrase to describe our players. Seems people can't wait to get their shiny, new players, so we can get rid of the old ones.

03 Jun 2015 08:16:45
And in the case of Evans , a guy who has played almost 200 times for the club and played his part in several league title wins . It may be time to move them on but a bit of respect doesn't go amiss .

03 Jun 2015 08:32:10
Word Bilko!

03 Jun 2015 08:35:00
Yeah deadwood is a bit disrespectful, we really need to free up room for top quality players though, so I will happily sacrifice the Evans' and Blacketts of our squad to achieve it.

03 Jun 2015 09:21:26
Why did Blackett get a new contract?

03 Jun 2015 09:42:42
people argued yesterday that ddg should show more loyalty to the club.
i guess that doesn't work both ways

03 Jun 2015 10:08:57
Home grown so what?! Deadwood! They get paid outrageous sums and we pay quite significant sums to get to watch them play yet they have been unproductive. I have seen worse references with regards to Evans, Blackett and Clev here, now that the season is over you guys wanna get sentimental and sugar quote things? We got rid of Welbeck and he was no where near as bad as the deadwood trio :P

03 Jun 2015 10:44:01
Seriously Jred? People want the likes of DeGea to show some loyalty as he struggled hugely at first, but he had unbelievable support and faith from the fans home and away who pay lots of money to do so, that is why they want loyalty. Players are paid huge sums of money to play a game, if they aren't good enough, should we keep them even if there are much better players around? The players should show more loyalty to the fans, if not the club, in my eyes. If a player isn't good enough, it isn't about loyalty, they just aren't good enough to get us to where we need to be. They are employees of a club and as in all walks of life, if you aren't up to it, you are out.

{Ed007's Note - So it's only good players deserve to be shown loyalty from the fans? Maybe some players feel the same way about fans.}

03 jun 2015 11:18:49
brendan
as i said yesterday its a business and just a job for players.

people posted ddg should show loyalty to the club one day and the next are shouting x,y and z should be booted out the club.

both points are stupid imo

03 Jun 2015 12:10:26
jred,as far as I am concerned, if a player is shown the sort of support and faith that DeGea was by the fans, especially at the beginning when he was shocking at times, he should repay that with a bit of loyalty towards the fans. For me it isn't to do with the club, if it wasn't for us there would be no club.

The player is an employee to the club, the club are just an employer to the player. While playing, all players get loyalty and support from the supporters, even when they do stupid things at times. But, if the season ends and the employer deems an employee not good enough to move us forward, that is there choice. We all want success and have to accept that these things will happen, even the players.

03 Jun 2015 12:53:11
brendan
ddg was dropped and many fans wanted him dropped from the first 11.
he came to the club as a young player and took time to adapt to a new country , team and league.

for the last 2 years he has been our stand out player , why does he owe the fans anything .
if he hadnt put the hard work in and become a worldclass player many of the people shouting "he should so loyalty to the fans " would be shouting for him to be sold .

if ddg lost his form next season most people would want him sold where is the loyalty in that .
look how many of our current players get stick on here.

03 Jun 2015 12:58:44
brendan
you want a spanish player to turn down the chance to play for madrid.
to move back and live in spain with his family and girlfriend .
continue to live in england and play for a team that at the moment is nit challenging for titles.
because some fans supported him, is that not what fans do .
i hope he stops , but you couldn't blame him if he left and i don't think he owes the fans that much

03 Jun 2015 13:14:24
Jred

It is a polarised subject as you could accuse him of screwing us in the corner by refusing to sign a new deal which still will allow him to make the move but would grant us negotiating room on the price especially how Madrid tends to put you to the knife when they are selling someone.

No one can ever force a player to stay and play at a club he does not want to but given how the club has treated him, he is not doing himself any favours by this stalemate.

03 Jun 2015 11:36:53
No Ed007, all players should be shown loyalty by fans and all players should show loyalty to fans. But, at the end of the day, if they aren't at the level we need, what happens? We keep them and end up a mid table side? Of course not. We as fans pay huge sums and support the players through everything, they should be the ones showing loyalty as, were it not for fans, where would they be? Job seekers allowance for most of the brain dead lot, I'd guess.

They are employees, if the employer deems they aren't good enough, then as anywhere else in the world, they are replaced, why should that be any different because they are a footballer? While here and playing, they should be supported totally if they are giving 100%. No one can say United fans don't support the side, the evidence over the past few seasons has proven that we support through the good and bad. Our away support, in particular, is immense.

{Ed007's Note - Why should players show fans loyalty, remember the abuse Darron Gibson got on social media? Where's this wonderful loyalty you speak of for your club captain who the last THREE managers and TWO owners have all deemed him good enough?
I'm pretty certain that most players who leave Utd don't end up on Jobseekers, so without Utd's fans loyalty Patrice Evra is in the CL final with Juve along with Carlos Tevez. Ronaldo is doing OK for himself and I'm sure Tom Cleverley and Daanny Welbeck aren't needing foodbanks.
And I think you'll find with most teams in the EPL wage bill is paid by Sly's TV money and sponsorship deals, not the fans}

03 Jun 2015 12:21:56
I didn't mean to sound disrespectful by calling them deadwood, just none of them bar maybe blackett if he goes out and learns a lot playing in the top flight regularly will ever be good enough to wear the famous red shirt again.fair enough Evans has played a role in us winning some titles but he has shown over the last 2 seasons he is no more than a squad player at best. They may be homegrown players but i think that's the only thing going for them. For instance we all know we need a top quality cb where does that leave Evans? Smalling,Jones, mcnair,rojo and a new cb do we leave Evans in the reserves or move him on? Nani,what has he done to warrant another chance? Valencia is a squad player at best he's only been playing this year because lvg thought he was the best of a bad bunch for that role and he's hardly set the world on fire has he? Cleverly we don't even need to go into that one if only we could turn him 90-180 degrees then he might play a forward pass for once. In my opinion replacing cleverly,Evans, nani and valencia will probs bring in around 25 million which can go toward signing upgrades. We already have depay in place of nani,hopefully Clyne or coleman instead of valencia, I'm hoping for Schneiderlin instead of cleverly,otamendi or garay instead of Evans.would you not rather do this rather than keep what we got? We need to start showing a bit of ambition over sentiment as sentiment doesn't win you games or titles!!

03 Jun 2015 13:38:43
Jred, the keyboard warriors like those on here or that other useless social media cesspit may have been calling for him to be dropped, but anyone I know or heard around OT and the pubs on match day were 100% behind him. He was brought out of the side to help him as the media etc were on the attack as always. Yes he has worked hard, but how much work, effort and support not to mention money, has this club put into him as a player?

Yes, shock horror, I want a Spanish player to turn down Real, they are a disgrace when it comes to transfers etc. He knew he was moving abroad when he signed, he is only 24 and has years later in his career or life to live wherever he likes, how hard is it to spend a few more years here and enable us to recoup a decent amount of the money we have invested in him? The fact Real will get him on the cheap is another thing that is p*ssing fans off. Personally, I'd tell Real £40m or do one and let him play out his contract, what is £20m to United? It would show Real they can't do as they please and might make other clubs stand up to them more. We and other clubs have been underpaid or bullied by them far too much. They paid more for Bale than they did Ronaldo, and Bale is nowhere close to the player Ronaldo was and still is. We need Levy here.

{Ed007's Note - It doesn't matter who was saying it, it was Utd fans saying it and why are they 'keyboard warriors', because you don't agree with them?}

03 Jun 2015 14:00:10
Jred and Deeps think that Rooney needs to go

Deeps.

03 Jun 2015 14:20:42
deeps lol.

brendan
what about the keyboard warriors who want rooney out . club captain , 10 years at the club ,340 games played 170 goals scored.

03 Jun 2015 14:23:06
gcu
but why should he?
i would run my contract down and push for a massive signing on fee .

03 Jun 2015 13:49:18
Ed you took it the wrong way pal. If there were no football fans, there would be no sky money and no football, I wasn't talking about players leaving united being on the dole, i meant players in general if there was no football.

I have already talked about keyboard warriors in a past reply and that also replies to the Darren Gibson thing too, for me. They don't represent United fans as a whole and other clubs/players will unfortunately experience the same brainless half wits.

Also, yes the club and managers, although SAF wasnt such a huge fan towards the end, may be ok with the way Rooney or other players have used various ways to get big pay rises, but the fans aren't the business, they have an emotional attachment to the club, some fans feel he and others screwed the club and it was like a member of the family be screwed to them.

{Ed007's Note - See, I knew you'd get it, fans have an emotional tie to the clubs, not many players these days have. They're employees of the business, assets as such and there job is under threat if the club changes manager, or the club is in financial difficulties and need money or failure on the park.
Do you think signing Valdes showed loyalty to De Gea? If it was me I'd have been asking myself if Valdes would sign anywhere to be a No.2, are the club looking to cash in on me, will they play hardball during contract negotiations knowing they have a replacement already at the club - maybe I'm just paranoid though.
Here's a question for you, if Gareth Bale came out and said that he was desperate to sign for Utd this summer would you be on here chastising him for not showing loyalty to Madrid, surely by your own standards he owes the Madrid fans?}

03 Jun 2015 14:01:27
Because I've read some of the rubbish people spout online. It's not about disagreeing, it's about the way they go about it, they get on the tablet/laptop or whatever, read what some people have said and mob mentality takes over and it all spirals from there. As a United fan they are an embarrassment, but also as a human being, thought we'd evolved from the Neanderthal stage.

{Ed007's Note - {Ed007's Note - Some people might think you spout rubbish online. Not me btw, I'm only chewing the fat with you but others might. Mostly it's all just people's opinions, trolling is a totally different thing. Just because they are an embarrassment to you doesn't mean they aren't allowed an opinion and they're still Utd fans. You can't say that every fan that gave De Gea a hard time is a keyboard warrior then dig out the old Rooney asked for a wage rise excuse for people doing it to him, that's double standards, Brendan.}

03 Jun 2015 14:53:10
03 Jun 2015 14:23:06
gcu
but why should he?
i would run my contract down and push for a massive signing on fee .
jred


Depends what kind of person you are though Jred, I'm sure he is sick of waiting in line at the food bank though, so fair enough eh.

03 Jun 2015 15:21:35
Jred, there were and are KW's after Rooney's head, but there were also many normal, rational, match going folk who were also very unhappy with his actions, especially the 2nd time. He was made captain because LVG wants an English captain and we are very short on quality English players who aren't always injured. He has been here 10 years as we caved to his stupid wage demands, if not he would be playing in blue right now, so you can remove that halo from your life size, cardboard Rooney replica my friend.

03 Jun 2015 15:34:23
What Brendan does not understand is, if half of our players browse fan forums, they would want to terminate their contracts right away ;). All they owe is 100% commitment on the field, as far as changing clubs is concerned, they are employees who move on to better things if they get a better pay, location closer to their native place etc. I don't see a challenge with that. Most of us swap jobs left, right and centre. I don't see a problem with what DDG is doing. He is atleast not saying that "he feels like a slave here". Loyalty from fans is as it is the most fickle subject you would ever discuss about.

Deeps.

03 Jun 2015 16:30:41
Brendan, what actions are you on about pal? A private conversation with Fergie, that the old man decided to go public about, in the process leaving our new manager with a ticking time-bomb? It's all about view points, I think Wayne got a pay rise based on both on field and off field factors and of course being the best player in the club post Ronnie's departure. What is double standards is you waiting for Ronnie to come back when he did not really part on "excellent terms". He has been using us to get a pay raise at Madrid every year, that is ok? The fact is Rooney still plays in our colors unlike Ronaldo and deserves respect that a lot like you don't give him. Again it's opinions, so I don't have a problem with that. But loyalty from fans is as fickle as they get.

Deeps.

03 Jun 2015 16:37:10
Deeps, I agree with the employee thing as I have said above. However, being a footballer is much different to any old job, or at least it should be. If I thought that I had millions of people, including kids etc, who saw me as one of their heroes for doing what I do, had supported me in tough times and helped to give me a very nice life, I, personally, would want to repay them if I could. I'd sign a contract and stay for a couple more seasons, whilst ensuring the company got the money needed to properly replace me and compensate them. Maybe I'm just a fantastic human being though, unlike most ;-)

03 Jun 2015 16:51:31
Ed, a lot of the Madrid fans have treated him like sh*t, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did just tell them to do one. But, that is pretty much the opposite of how DeGea has found his time at United. Plus, Real would get a substantial amount for him and rightly so. If he had been treated as DeGea has, in his 2 years at Madrid, then yes he should definitely show some loyalty, of course.

Plus, it's how you go about spouting your opinions and the actual reasons you have for those opinions. A few poor performances from a young lad wouldn't trigger a normally functioning human being, to jump online and start slating someone and calling for his head. You then get the people who jump on the bandwagon and it escalates into something ridiculous. But, then you have a player on very good money, who comes out and plays the club and fans for fools on two separate occasions. I don't agree with trolling etc, but that is a much bigger trigger for people's unhappiness. But again it should be done in the correct manner.

{Ed007's Note - And yet Rooney has stuck by Utd while being treated like sh*t by a lot of Utd fans. I guess Utd must mean more to him than it does to De Gea, it's just a pity a lot of fans don't return that kind of loyalty.
What you're basically saying is that players YOU like should be grateful to play for Man Utd and show loyalty to the fans - the same fans who would turn on him after one bad game - and players you don't like should be shown no loyalty in return, especially if they have the cheek to ask for a pay rise.}

03 Jun 2015 17:53:54
brendan
i don't put a halo on any footballer .

i just think its comical that someone like yourself is spouting loyalty and key board warrior rubbish.

players come and go ddg owes the club nothing and the club owe him nothing.

infact if anyone has a gripe it should maybe be A madrid who brought a young kid through the ranks only to see him leave the first chance he got.

ddg if he leaves will soon be replaced with another keeper and the fans and the club will be fine .
infact poor united will prob get 20 million .

i would also guarantee you wouldn't be quite so moralistic if you played for city or liverpool , infact any team other than united

03 Jun 2015 17:00:46
Deeps, I'm not waiting on Ronaldo coming back, if he did then we would be signing the 2nd best player in the world, so it would be hard to argue against, from a footballing viewpoint. I was truly p*ssed off when he left and how it happened and that hasn't changed. As a person in my eyes, he is probably on level with Rooney. He has been playing Real to get pay rises, that is their problem, and if it was us yeah I'd be pissed off with him.

03 Jun 2015 18:39:44
There's a big difference between being over-sentimental, and basic respect for a player who's tried his best in a red shirt. I don't like Rooney, but I'll never accuse him of a lack of effort in a Utd shirt. Evans is no world-beater, but he's no Sunday league footballer either. Hate all this, 'he's sh1t', or, 'he's deadwood', when talking about our own.

{Ed025's Note - you could say "players surplus to requirement" noucamp...but do us a favour...stop trying to get rid of your deadwood or dutch elm to everton.. :)

03 Jun 2015 19:25:07
Got drawn back into a Rooney debate aaaaaaagh! Last one ever. So I will end on, he won't be good enough to command a first team place if we purchase a top striker i.e. Benzema, and a box to box type CM player. Not great for our captain eh.

Also, I said yesterday that I wasn't happy when I heard DeGea was likely going, but now I'd rather it was sorted, and if he leaves then we move on and get Cech hopefully, or a young keeper as back up to Valdes. Either way we will march on. Just a shame that players give less and less of a sh*t about clubs and supporters with every passing season.

And with that, he left the room.

{Ed025's Note - rooney is your captain and first name on the teamsheet brendan... because hes your best player mate..

03 Jun 2015 19:00:03
I must have missed the United fans openly booing Rooney in games and attacking his car ed. When was this?

Players should be grateful to play for any team and show loyalty to that team if they have been treated right.

{Ed007's Note - You probably missed the fans outside Rooney's house:



Or what about the death threats?