Manchester United Banter Archive July 04 2013

04 Jul 2013 23:18:01
Right a lot of you are eagerly awaiting Moyes' first press conference tomorrow. As am i.

But I think there will be a lot of dissapointed people on here tomorrow night.

This press conference is about Moyes and how he intends to run the club. There for I don't think there will be any talk of transfers or potential targets. And secondly I don't expect to hear anything of interest about Wayne Rooney.

Moyes will talk about his pride at getting the job, his plans, his respect for the club and its traditions and maybe about what he hopes to achieve.

He will be asked about transfers, and I expect him to deflect any such questions by saying he will assess the players he has before he looks into moving into the market. This doesn't mean we aren't trying to tie up deals, just that Moyes has no intention of talking about such deals until they are signed and sealed.

He will be asked about Rooney, and again I expect him to deflect any questions about it. I expect him to say something like he will talk to Wayne in due course and he will only leave if Wayne wants to leave.

But he won't talk about potential transfers, and he won't go into detail about Rooney.

And for those hoping he will be unvailled with news of a top signing, do you really think the club would be so disrespectful to the new manager as ti steal his thunder in his first press conference by annoucing something as trivial as a new signing

Its the right thing to do. He will have all year to answer papertalk! Special day for him and for us. Hope no player In tomorrow, make us look weak and will over shaddow DM. IMO

JLBER84

Sorry but I disagree there can be nothing better than the new manager signalling his intentions by introducing a new player, Utd need to start off on the right foot

No need to build hopes aroynd it. its marely a formal interview with well scripted performance to perform in front of camera

Rodio17

Announcing that Rooney is staying will be enough for me.

"Announcing that Rooney is staying will be enough for me. "

KG, of course he will say Rooney is staying. That doesn't mean he will though. The manager has no choice but to say Rooney is not for sale.

Sydney!

I second that KG.

Ozwald

05 Jul 2013 11:16:14
No name, can't you see that the manager is more important than the players? Tyus it would be disrespectful to announce a new signing thus over shadowing the first appointment of the first new manager in nearly 27 years.

I'm very confident that there won't be any new signings announced today.

KG, I expect them to say that Rooney is staying, but that doesn't mean he will be. Just that they are trying to stablise the situation and keep his value high. He may well be staying or he may move on. But either way there will be nothing definitive announced today.

04 Jul 2013 22:17:56
For those of you giving me a little stick earlier I will tell you what my problem is. Everyone is talking about Moyes and his fitness regime how Everton were so fit and Phil Neville says no one was fitter. Well I ask this question when did we ever lose a game because we weren't fit enough. We lost games because we were tactically naive in Europe. When Everton were running out of steam at the end of seasons we were kicking on and winning things. So whoopee we have brought all the Everton back room staff over to United that will make us fitter. I wonder if anyone thought we should get a manager with some tactical know how. Just a thought because I remember a no 2 at United who prepared a team last season who won the league at a canter and yet we have got rid of him and replaced him with people who think it is about getting you super fit. surely I am not alone on this

Kloot I agree with you in some aspects but obviously the new manager knows how we expect to play
Fitness how often have you whined about fatty ando and his fat A$$ and Rooney being a dou (c)he well heres a chance to lose that part we all slag off

I'm sure your never alone, not with that chip on your shoulder to keep you company
Jred

I am sure you were one of the people slagging phelan off kloot, you make me laugh with how you don't find a positive in anything.

Nobody said all that moyes can do is fitness, it is one thing that people have mentioned and you have been on here slagging off Anderson and Rooney for being overweight and unfit for 2 years. But now we have someone who will instill fitness you suddenly can't see any fitness problems.

I know you post on here in order to get an many replies as possible and then don't reply to anybody, so I am guessing you will be a happy chappy now I replied to your post.

You hide behind this love of united but across the Internet they call people like you attention seeking trolls. I feel bad even replying to that post, it contradicts so many things you have said in the last 2 years it's unbelievable.

So you're assuming that the staff that has been brought in prioritise fitness above all else? That's naive in my opinion. Unless you are on the training ground with them, you are in no place to judge them.

04 Jul 2013 23:54:50
I think Neville and Giggs and Scholes might bring some Eurooean tactical knowledge. Just a hunch.
What Moyes does bring is a continued drive and determination.
We all sang his praises when at Everton for finding gems, getting the most out of his players, playing youth (Christ we signed Rooney, Rodwell and Barkley have been linked too at various times. ) All things we want from our manager.
He isn't tactically naive, and doesn't play long ball. Anyone that says differently doesn't watch enough or understand what is going on.
A lo of Young foreign players from South America or Southern Europe (most of the world for that matter) invariably want to end up playing for Barca or Real one day, and if they are good enough, they'll come knocking.
For me, the route for the next decade will be focused on another spine of English players.
Moyes is the right man. Not the most fashionable or most exciting, but brings many qualities and attributes woven into what this club is about.
Be behind him, be behind UTD.
Enjoy the ride.

Yes kloot of corse ure right again, or maybe Everton run out of steam because it was hard for them to field a team capable of competing for the top 4 after some of there first 11 were injured or tired, at united we have a very good squad of players which will allow him to rotate and keep freshness in the sqaud high.
U know the more and more u post u do seem like a spoiled child.
U do seem more happy to see our team lose if it proves a point u threw out there months before.
We are united and as fans I feel we are too but u do seem to wanna almost alienate ure self, u eill get followers as will others on here
But u will see in time much like oasis u will see your time pass.
CTR

I love being able to keep up to date with the goings on with my club, enjoy reading through the comments and have done for a long time, although I don't ever post as I have absolutely no sources or insight to the happenings of Utd. I however just had to comment on this and say. GDS. well said lol. Truer words never spoken.

I am in some agreement with Kloot. We were fit enough to win the league last year but the problem was the tactical awareness particularly in Europe which we often felt was down to Phelan. We have lost Rene who was the one who RVP praised for working a goal scoring scenario all the previous week and it worked, I am not sure or it is not yet clear whether we have that level of expertise now.

My only caveat would be that many want us to play the high energy pressing game and we were not able to do that previously. Perhaps we will be fitter but let us not forget Everton teams were nearly always slow starters in the league and that points to the pre season preparation, let us hope any extra fitness work is not to the detriment of our early season, we cannot afford to get left behind.

Dont always agree with KLOOT but to call him a troll is a bit OTT.
Attention seeking or not he's just as entitled to an opinion as everyone else.
I actually think he makes a valid point and too much is being made about this fitness thing its as if our fitness has been an issue but so many late goals prove otherwise.
as for getting rooney fit well maybe but fitness isn't going to get his touch back or improve his passing which most on here agree is just as much of an issue.
Im happy with moyes' appointment and don't think tactically he'l be as bad as some think

BABY FACED ASSASIN

04 Jul 2013 22:14:35
PSG have agreed to pay 70 Million Euros for Cavani Crazy money Napoli asked for 7 more Million as Palermo get a share no team can compete with Monaco or PSG.

FREDTHERED

We need to hurry up and sign Thiago, they will gazump us otherwise.

Sydney!

Has Cavani not got a £58m buy out (Is that 73m euros?) Actually is he even anygood I have no idea

Its a 63 million Euro's clause but Napoli have asked for 70 Million Euro's now as Palermo will receive some of the fee I cannot see how him and Ibrahimovic can work looks like Lavezzi may be for sale.

RED91

Cavani is a top class player, great goalscorer and also seems a top professional with a great work rate and work ethic.

Pards
very good player imo, 50 mill good well at today's rates maybe but prices at the moment are mental
Jred

I personally rate Cavani higher than Lewandowski, he helps his team out and defend while he's more able to create something out of nothing than Lewy, a very smart player IMO.

Ozwald

O hell. 70m. ? that's our budget for 2 seasons. and 10 year budget for everton. I m sure moyes can't even think about that amount even in the dream. lolsssss

Rodio17

04 Jul 2013 21:45:04
what has happen to Paul scholes,
has he joined coaching staff at united?

Good question
Jred

04 Jul 2013 20:58:23
As predicted by some Phil Neville will be a MUFC coach. I suggested Giggs would be a player coach and I am pleased this has come to fruition. Moyesee is doing what I hoped and getting the right team around him, he will now focus on the team. Still need midfielders and plenty of them, expect the new boss to go out and get the quality we need over the next couple of weeks.

Really early days however in my opinion Moyesee is doing the right things very quickly and without fuss. Bodes well for the future as I see we have a sound strategist to replace Sir Alex the Legend!

04 Jul 2013 19:50:11
manchester utd banies in evra out rooney out ronaldo in thiago alcantara in
kevin strootman in garay in nani out. torres could be apart the deal if chelsea have in maybe mata if jose does not want him if could straight swap anderson maybe off bale is not going join utd he will be off real next season. rvp has been talking strootman try get him same de gea with alcantara it going to be a interesting this transfer window or a complete bore not in the middle

Pardon?

Matt

04 Jul 2013 19:26:27
Can some tell why Ronaldo is talking in riddles I'm enjoying playing for Real Madrid but I missing England does he want to leave or not is come back or staying put I would love him back and Rooney out so confused I think the option because I can't see utd paying three players over 200k and 25 mil for Rooney is a joke 25 and alcantara would a good option or in a deal for Ronaldo

Well said my friend, although it would be better said with the odd comma or full stop

04 Jul 2013 18:30:24
Some will question Phil Neville's appointment but I for one am delighted. He comes from the generation of true professionals who represented our club brilliantly and committed everything to the cause. Having him and Giggs on board is an astute move, would be good to get Gary back as well. Moyes will be fine if we sign real quality this window.

AJH, I couldn't agree more. People forget Phil was at MU for a good 13 years, maybe more. I imagine Scholes will join the force in a year or so.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 20:21:08
I think Phil Neville is the the best appointment he could make to his coaching staff. Now he has someone who he totally trusts but can act as a link between Moyes and the United dressing room. Someone who truely knows what it means to be a United player and a United manager/coach.

I'm happy with the blend between old United faces such as Giggs and Neville ( as well as Scholes and Butt with the kids) and a few of Moyes' men in Round, Woods, Lundstrum and Cooke.

We have kept the United core but added some fresh impetus to it. I'm really looking forward to next season. Exciting times ahead I think.

I'm chuffed with both additions too. Many have moaned about our current backroom staff leaving so what better than brining in 2 staff members who are United through and through. Giggs knows what makes us tick and Phil is very knowledgable and passionate.

Like you say, a few good additions to the playing staff and we'll be in a good position.

Is anyone against Phil's appointment?
Jred

Hopefully this is the start of the bootroom culture that worked so well at Liverpool.

StevieK

Gary lol

If Rooney stays I can't see how he'll ever have the respect for him that he should for a coach.

By all accounts Phil and Gary set the standard at OT for dedication to training and improving. I think he'll make and excellent coach who should help bridge the gap between Moyes' methods and the MUFC culture.

04 Jul 2013 17:35:49
Once again it has been proved that I speak the truth. How long ago did I tell you that Phil Neville would end up here on the coaching staff. Don't know how some of the senior pro's will respond to him. Secondly Moysey will face his biggest challenge tomorrow. The man is not comfortable in front of the press and hated them at Everton so imagine what tomorrow will be like for him. I hope his first action as manager was to order a Taxi for Rooney

I enjoying reading your comment KLOOT, but come on Phill coming wasn't a surprise at all i'm sure many others saw it coming. You will be telling us Giggs will be a coach next season as well. oh wait.

If you want to claim inside info predict something less obvious, and don't gloat about it

Adam Dean

Who do you see having a problem with it KLOOT? I think its a very good move for us, as long as Giggs and Scholes etc get the chance to join the coaching staff aswell, which Giggs already has.

Brendan81

I can't believe you called it KLOOT. With Moyes coming over from Everton where he worked with P. Nev who played over 250 games for United and is Manchester United supporter and announced his retirement for the end of the season and took on a role with the U 21 England team to get coaching experience for the coaching qualifications he was taking and was taking on more coaching responsibility at Everton. I can't believe you are the only person on this site who called it.

If all Manchester United supporters down south all clap right now, you may hear it in the shadows of Old Trafford!

We all bow down to your superior knowledge ;)

I'm really happy with the P Neville appointment I think he has a lot to give. He knows United inside out and I've always been impressed with his comments/interviews.

Why do you think senior players may have a problem with this?

You was wright kloot, what do you think to our potential signings of garay and thiago and that's if they even happen I will be so shocked if they do

All hail KLOOT the Great. Who we will sign in this window oh knowledgable one?

Yeah but Fergie hated the press as well.

As for your unsure how the senior players will respond to Phil?

What sort of guff is that. How many appearances for United and Everton and England? How many winners medals for United? They've all played against him and he's a model pro. Like Rio and Robin, who i'm sure will have no issues being, you know, professionals.

Hopefully a membership to a gym was also part of that plan. Keep Rooney, on form he is the best and the most complete player in the league. He has proven he can score and make plenty of goals every season and he often makes the team tick. Even off form he is a very good and dangerous player, and the fact we expect more than 20 goals a season shows he is a very good player. I would only sell Rooney to sign Ronaldo.

There really is no pleasing u is there

Nice to hear from you Klooty -missing your input.

Got to say that SAF was particularly brilliant with the press (unless he was telling them to b*gg*r off) so that will be no change.

Taxi for Rooney? And replace him with who?

04 Jul 2013 19:56:49
A taxi? Make him walk, I say!
DL10

04 Jul 2013 16:30:07
Nice to hear Rooney has returned in excellent physical shape, expecting big things from him this season.
Jred

As in a big fee?

Yeah really, who for Chelsea or Barca.

Ah how the blind can not see. The Emperor has no clothes

We can only hope Jred, we can only hope.

Sydney!

Exactly kloot my man I'm sure you have made your mind with out even looking.
Jred

He can't have done jred because it is a fact on this web page as kloot will tell you that Rooney is fat and always returns to preseason 40 pounds overweight and doesn't lose any of it until at least October!

How have you heard he's in great physical shape? He's been at Glastonbury recently I know someone who is friends with a girl that served him and Coleen a burger.

Ozwald

04 Jul 2013 16:27:02
I thought the 2 new Barca guys at Man City were meant to be smart men? Overpay on Fernandinho then buy Navas now Negredo buying second rate Spanish players none of there signings have me worried.

Red91

Some will argue they are second rate, but I have to agree that none of them put any fear into me. Good players, but none of them are world-beaters. Mancini said today that he wanted RvP, De Rossi & Hazard, but missed out on all. We know they also wanted Thiago Silva and Javi Martinez, but had to settle for Nastasic & Javi Garcia instead. Negredo is a good player and will bag a load of goals, but he is no Falcao or Cavani. Navas is Hazard and Fernandinho is no Martinez so it seems they are starting to struggle to attract again, especially with the new FFPR which are obviously playing a part in all of this.

Sydney!

Negredo is a one of the best all round strikers in world football.

I find that most Spanish strikers go unknown or under-rated because of how good our midfield is.

Nevas, well he's good but not great.

Mario Gomez would have been a better choice for Man City but I ain't complaining!


Manred

I'm with Syd on this one, wouldn't go so far as to call any of them 'second rate' but I did fear they would sign players who would instil more fear than the ones mentioned. They are good players none the less but is Aguero/Negredo any more dangerous than an Aguero/Tevez partnership? Of course they could yet buy another striker but let's see.

With United having not made many early moves let's hope we can land our main targets so we can take advantage!

Negredo is actually very good to b honest

Big Mac

04 Jul 2013 20:36:11
You need to look at the combination, Negredo has played with Navas before and they work very well together, they understand each others game.

Negredo may not have the reputation of Tevez or quite as much talent. But he won't cause disruptions in the camp and he will work for what is best for the team.

I fear a lot of people are underestimating City for next season, they have made a few very astute signing and have brought in one of the finest tactical minds in the game. They have also removed several of the trouble makers within the squad.

So they have a far better manager, a much more together group of players and some new talent. I'd watch out for them next season.

A midfield of Yaya Toure and Fernandinho is as strong a combination as you'll find in the Premier league. Physical with finesse.

Then a front four of Navas, Aguero, Silva and Negredo has enough pace power and imagination to win any game.

If they can sort out their defence then there is no reason why they can't win the league next year. And heres the thing they don't need signings to sort out their defence. Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Nastasic, Clichy is a strong defence if they can sort themselves out. It was only poor organisation that cost them defensive errors and points last season. Plus Fernandinho will offer them more protection in front of them.

Everyone is too pre occupied with the new managers at United and Chelsea. Yet its possibly City who have quietly sneaked an awesome manager in under the radar, they are making the changes he feels are needed and he is doing all this without the limelight on them, they have no weight of expectation on them.

Mark my Words City will be our biggest threat to retaining our title next season.

Shappy, you mean Tixi is picking the players?

Sydney!

I'd say Navas is their best signing this window. I know Spain lost the Confed cup, but you have to remember when we were all calling them the worlds best team, When ever the manager looked to make a change he always brought Navas on first

I agree with shappy on this I would also add Pellegrini is good manager whos teams play good football.
Negredo I think will suit the EPL as well.
Tevez and agureo are both top players but are they maybe a bit similar.
Negredo and agureo could work we will have to wait and see but I think city will do well this year.
Rather than just buying names or whoever is available I get the feeling pellegrini is putting a team together
Jred

Shappy,

I don't deny they have made improvements and will be a force next season. Whatever happens I expect us, Chelsea and City to fight it out for the league (and possibly Arsenal as a long shot).

But would you not be more fearful if they got Cavani over Negredo and Hazard (last season) or even Reus over Navas? That was the only point I was making - I think we are lucky they did not land players of that calibre. At the end of last season poster's were saying 'we need to strengthen because City will buy Cavani/Falcao and Reus'. There was no mention of Navas or Negredo a month or 2 back.

I agree with regards Yaya and Fernandinho though that could be a fearsome CM so long as the latter acclimatises to the EPL.

Or Txiki Begiristain is putting a team together.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 22:23:14
Gav, City's biggest problem last season was having too many ego in the sqaud which destroyed team spirit. Big name players tend to come with big ego's.

They lacked abit of quality and control in midfield, Fernandinho will solve that.

They lacked width as Nasri and Silva like to cut in, Navas will solve that.

And they didn't have a front pairing that clicked. Now Aguero and Negredo look like a clever combination. And if they click then they could be deadly.

Yes on paper the signing of Cavani looks more of a worry then Negredo. But football isn't played on paper. And its about signing the player who best suits your needs rather than signing the best player available.

Pellegrini managed to get a group of player to pull together and play even when they weren't getting paid. He is a master at cultivating a team ethic amoungst his players. And with players like Teves and Balotelli moving on this will only help give Man City a strong team ethic and make them a stronger team.

Then when you consider Pellegrini is one of the best tacticians in world football then you have to probably consider City as our biggest threat next season.

Shappy I totally agree with what you are saying regards the improvements from last season. I never said City wouldn't improve or wouldn't challenge.

It's just that I think Cavani could do all what Negredo does plus more, same goes for Reus for example over Navas. The only thing the others benefit from is they are all Spanish so could gel well but that's not guaranteed in the EPL. My only point was I previously feared City getting players of a higher calibre that could play the same roles as the ones they've signed.

TBH I think we are arguing different points, lol. I do agree they will improve next season. So we need to improve too!

04 Jul 2013 16:01:34
If rooney does go I would be bummed that arsenal have got higuien (spelling)

25 years old and scored 107 in 187

And scored 20 in 32 for country

And this is for someone who isn't regarded as a first team regular

A steel for 20-23 million.

Anyone else think of any other strikers that could possible replace rooney - realistic targets with a suitable price tag

Ali g

Lewandowski.

But I am not sure Rooney would need replacing with a striker if he is sold. A decent winger and two top midfielders should do it.

Sydney!

And a winger or a midfielder is going to score 25 goals+ and make 15 asists a year?
I don't think so, unless it is Ronaldo.

Rooney will not get 25+ goals and 15 assists with RvP in the side. RvP will get the goals just like Ronaldo did. RvP will also be the penalty taker. Rooney may get perhaps 15 goals and 10-15 assists. I would say an attacking midfielder, a winger and Kagawa would replace those goals in the side.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 14:45:52
I know this will probably cause name calling, But watching the Q&A with Ronnie in Singapore, He said he misse's Man U and the PL, But the other things he said were basically what he said in 2009, When he was with us, then he left for RM, Is he, 1. trying to freak them out so he gets a new/better deal, OR, 2. (the conspiracy theorist in me) might he be sending signals he wants to come back, (wishful thinking I know). (TheInvisibleMan)

04 Jul 2013 14:30:28
Well we're of the opinion there is way to much flapping going on re Moyes and co. Not that it's not good to see mind you.

It's going to be a big season which is understandable with no more Ferguson.

We look at that last season Fergie dragged that squad to the title with his awesome management skills.

Moyes on the other hand failed to get Everton into the top four when he had an opportunity too.

We're guessing that on the outside you'll be yeah whatever but inside, a totally different story.

Although yes every one is tentative about the new management, but to say we were dragged through last season when we won by such a huge margin is rediculous.

You don't win by that much and have a bad team.

J J

Umm are u still about? Wow we thought u had learnt by now
CTR

Hey mickey stick to mid table obscurity. that's what your good at. Shelvey the new Gerrard was what I heard last season. This is definetly your year. Dream on
Blackpool Red

Oh no the mob is back! Everyone lock your doors and draw the curtains.

Stick those locking wheel nuts on too HoneyBadger.

Brendan81

04 Jul 2013 13:16:04
Rooney's stats have no doubt been good and he is infact a very good player on his day but he just doesn't suit to United any more, loses the ball too often, decisionmaking is poor and is usually frustrated. It's time for him to take on a new challenge and for United to move on. Specially after asking for a transfer twicehe should be sold. If he stays then therewill be constant booing from a great section of the crowd which might affect his performances even more.
So the question is who can replace him? We'll people say Ozil, Mata, etc
But the only player I think who can replace Rooney is Thomas Muller. Gives a good physical presence along with good passing and a good eye for goal. He would be the ideal replacement but would Bayern sell? Seeing Pep at Barca, he hasn't worked much with players like him and gGotze would be preffered in that position by Pep, so there is a good chance of getting him.

Chaman

Apart from Carrick, which of our midfield or our wingers had a good passing rate? Non! Though Rooney gets all the blame.
In order for a player to have a good passing rate, he needs to have good players around him, who can make the space. United midfield and wingers last season were not up to standard, thereby leaving rooney and rvp isolated a lot of the time.
Please, let's not blame rooney for everything.
Nomidfield

Well said Nomidfield. Rooney was far better than Young and Valencia last season yet people slate Rooney and not them. The fact is and off form Rooney scored 16 and made 14 goals whereas Young and Valencia scored 2 each and created at the most 10 between them. Personally I would keep Rooney, Young and Valencia and sell Nani. At least Young and Valencia can regularly make goals and occasionally score a few. Rooney can score 30+ and make 20+ goals a season when on form. As you say, Rooney is not truly to blame, and he surprisingly has a pass completion rate of over 85% and a very high chance conversion rate, 56%, and only Carrick has a higher pass completion, 89%.

04 Jul 2013 12:40:32
I know everyone was expecting Moyes and Rooney to sit and talk yesterday, and everyone seemed surprised that they either hadn't or nothing had been said about it. But, as Rooney was having medical tests etc done yesterday, do we not think Moyes would have wanted to see those and speak to our medical guys, before any meetings etc? I'm sure he has heard about past problems, when Rooney has returned for for pre-season in poor shape etc.

Deeps/JRED don't take this as an attack on Rooney :-)

Brendan81

Brendan
I don't believe Rooney moyes and United haven't discussed his future before now.
There seems to be a lot of talk about Rooney wAnted it stated he never asked for a transfer request, now some people will say this is so he doesn't lose cash when he moves but I would of thought he would leave that down to the lawyers and wouldn't need a public statement.
Imo if he wants a public statement it can only be to keep the fans of his back if he signs a new contract.

Again just my own opinion but I do think a lot will have to do with his role in the team, if you read some of his quotes he makes it quite clear he sees himself as a striker.
The thing is most teams only play with 1 striker and for us that man is rvp.
Rooney is coming up 28 and he may feel this is his peak years and he wants to be that man.
this has been going on for a few month I would be amazed if Rooney had his heart set on moving his agent wouldn't of had a move lined up or if the club wanted rid he would of been sold quickly, every time we have lost a big name it's been a quick deal
Jred

Brendan, you sure are a closet Rooney fan my friend. Lol I think sometimes that you and Shahram are more obsessed with Wazza than I have ever been. Lol its unhealthy, we need to keep away.

Deeps.

He needs to sign a contract and sort his head out or leave, don't think I can stand any more of the will, he won't he stuff.

Brendan81

Brendan I would agree with that.
If he stays great as I still rate him but if he goes he goes we have lost bigger and better and life goes on
Jred

We certainly have Jred, that we can definitely agree on.

Brendan81

04 Jul 2013 12:18:05
Being widely reported that thiago has been removed from barcelonas media campaign. Personally feel a announcement is close.

04 Jul 2013 11:14:44
Moyes first press conference at 4pm tomorrow. Let's hope we get some information on Thiago or the like!

04 Jul 2013 11:08:55
euro sport has us linked with the Colombian under 20s captain, looks a very skilful player scored a cple of good goals, anyone seen much of him.

redstevie

04 Jul 2013 10:10:55
a website reporter just spoke about poss press conference tomorrow and strong rumours thiago could be unvealed as a Manchester united player! I know this has been rumoured already but sounds very promising!

04 Jul 2013 10:57:14
Giggs is now player/coach with immediate effect, people had a go at Moyes for changing his back room staff, but with Neville, Giggs and probably Scholes taking up coaching roles, I think he has done the correct thing. If we could have kept Rene I would have been very happy, but I think it was his choice and he just needed a new challenge. We are looking good for the future.

Brendan81

04 Jul 2013 10:41:18
R. I. P jack crompton former united player and coach
johndenton

A good age for a good man.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 10:03:46
Some sad news just breaking, Jack Crompton has passed away at the age of 91, Jack devoted his whole life to United as player and coach. In recent years Jack rarely missed a match and could often be seen with wife Sheila watching the reserves and juniors and he was also the last survivor of the great 1948 team. He will be sadly missed.
RIP Jack

Raffa

04 Jul 2013 09:40:46
In the disccussion yesterday about Daehli leaving, jred said that the youngsters are getting impaitent. This got me thinking, are they or have we just turned our back on them in the pursuit of success.

I can remember 5/6/7 years ago seeing carling cup or early fa cup round line ups and seeing one or two academy players starting and 2/3 on the bench. Players such as Bardsley, Richardson and Eagles. Yet now when these games come round its a team full of squad players with maybe one token youth player on the bench. Players such as Lindegaard, Smalling, Jones, Buttner, Young, Welbeck, Hernandez ect ect ect.

Our pursuit of success has lead us to increasing the size of our squad to cope with the demands. But with more first team squad players there is less room for our own academy players to get game time.

We talk about sending them out on loan to get some game time because we can't give them any minutes on the pitch, we then complain when they want to move on to play football. We call them greedy or impaitent. Personally I think any young player who moves to a team to get playing time shows courage and ambition. You have to be a brave man to walk away from Old Trafford.

If we look toward nex season with Nani likely to leave, that will leave us with Young, Valencia, Zaha and Welbeck who can play wide, and that's if we don't sign any more wingers. So two of them will be first choice leaving the other two the carling cup games, the fa cup games and the dead rubber champions league games in order for them to pick up game time. So when will Januzaj, Lingard or Cole play?

To be completely honest if I was Januzaj and I saw United buy another wide player this summer I would have to seriously consider my future at the club.

What about Will Keane or Henriquez? They have RvP, Hernandez, Welbeck and possibly Rooney still ahead of them for what will more than likely be one striking birth in the team. And yet we are linked still with players such as Lewandowski, and Cavani if Rooney does leave.

What about young Micheal Keane? He has Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling and Jones ahead of him, yet we are still being linked to Garay. That would be six players ahead of him for one of the two CB places in the team.

We keep saying we need to sign 2/3 midfielders but what about Petrucci and Powell? Or even Tunnicliffe.

Our hunger for success has had us turn our back on these youngsters.

We need to decide do we want to be like every other team, so focused on success that we lose our identity. Or are we Manchester United, the team that brought you the Busby babes, the Fergie Fledglings.

Maybe our youngsters will stop walking away from us if we stop turning our backs on them.

Shappy

I think this is an area where Moyes will be braver than Fergie, and that some of the young players will get more game time. There is a difficult balance to achieve though. The standard of the youth and reserve leagues in England is very low, and they don't prepare players for the top flight anymore. This makes it hard to judge whether a player is ready for the Premier League. Skewed example - Taarabt. Tore the Championship up (which is a higher and more competitive standard than the reserves or youth league) but usually failed to influence Premier League games in any way.

It's easy to over-rate players on their Youth and Reserve performances, and I think there's plenty on here guilty of doing that. Equally, the only way these players can develop is by playing at a high enough standard.

I don't know the answer to this - it probably is that we need to start to mirror the Spanish model and set up smaller clubs as feeders for the big clubs to get players proper game time in a trusted environment, but there will be a lot of people vehemently opposed to that idea.

In terms of Michael Keane, Rio and Vidic are both near the end now (I think neither of them will be at United for the 2015/16 season. Jones will migrate to midfield. So he needs some game time this season to see if he's ready to step up.

Will Keane and Henriquez haven't shown they're good enough and should be loaned out to somewhere they will get game time. Januzaj - well, I suspect he'll get game time next season in place of Young and Valencia at times. Lingard and Cole also have a lot to prove. Petrucci isn't developing as fast as he should, so he's a definite candidate for more game time for me, and Powell needs game time because he's already better than some of the players ahead of him.

Shappy this post has to be one of the best in recent I was thinking the same recently but probably couldn't have posted it any better then you did.
I think we need to change our tactics in terms of buildint a team, we need to chose o e way or another. do we keep buying players of quality or do we integrate our youth slowly witht the first team. ill be really sad to see daehli powell and januzaj in some other team I the future playing against us and showing the world what we missed out on.

Now a days there are lots of oppurtunites to move to a club and for a player that wants to play every day they can easily move to another club which is quite sad as we will only be the losers in this scenario.

singh

Excellent post shappy as usual. Hopefully Moyes will bring a different approach and will start giving the youngsters some playing time in the 1st team.

I think once these players start reaching 18, 19 and 20 we should bring them into the first team squad, bed them in for a year with a few games and a few substitute appearances and then the following season start playing them regularly as part of the squad rotation.

If they're not up to standard then at least we know and we can ship them on with some first team experience and we'll probably get a reasonable fee for them. The worst outcome is when the player leaves before we have chance to find out of they were good enough ala Pogba and now Daelhi, plus we get very little, if any cash for them.

It's a vicious circle, mate. The more successful we become, the more pressure to maintain it.

Personally, I could put up with a few barren years as long as there were signs that the young players in the academy were going to herald a bright future for the club. But could others?

I've always taken pride in the youth ethos at the club, and for all the abuse we'd have to take from fans of other clubs if we had a few lean years, I'm only worried about my club and it's future.

We'd need to have thick skins though :)

04 Jul 2013 12:44:14
I'd say that Evans, Cleverley and Welbeck would disagree. They've come through the academy, served time out on loan in the championship and the premier league and are now in the first team squad. I think Powell, Keane's and Januzaj will all get a chance. Tunniclifffe and Petrucci I don't think are good enough especially the latter. We do need midfielders as we are weak there and in recent seasons have had to fill in with Giggs or Rafael. I can see the logic in Garay with Rio and Vidic getting on and questions over Smallings fitness and the fact Evans still doesn't look comfortable without a senior centre back alongside him. Bertie wooster

Completely agree, In the past our youth were trusted and allowed the freedom to play and gain experience with our first team, Giggs was playing first team football when he was 17!
How are we ever going to develop our youth with the same Love for the club, and winning mentality if they never play for our first team?
Seeing Pogba leave and then shine at Juventus was hard, Hopefully some sort of buy back clause was added into the daehli transfer as I think he will be outstanding in the future.
Hope things change at United soon, Only kind of transfer activity need in my opinion is to clear out those who have not preformed and allow Youth to come through.
Jam

Shappy
Interesting topic I agree kids need an opportunity but at what cost miss out on a Champs League place for Two seasons and its hard getting back look at L, pool!
Any kid today who breaks into the first team squad as to be exceptional and given time something which a lot on here don't do.
Fletcher
Evans
Wellbeck
Cleverley
They've all had o rough ride but with great character and support from the most important people ie coaches and manager have kicked on.
The only 2 who stand any chance at the moment are Powell and Janujaz and its going to be so tough for them with their ability.
Dylan

Top post. But I don't think there's a way to satisfy in both ways. We will lose some talents at the end of the day, like pogba or daehli. We have not been a club who will change our squad every so often. so if no 1st team players aren't leaving, youngsters are less likely to gain the chance. Also if we had not take action on top talents from other clubs, we may lose 'success' as some other clubs will take advantage and I think it's also very important. One of our problems we have is when we want to sell a player, our negotiators often seem to fail to agree at the right figure, of course except cases like Ronaldo. I think one of the wisest ways is to do what Barca does. We should make sure our youngsters grow with Utd mindset to have pride and love who they play for and let them go out there to sign senior contract with other clubs with buyback clause inserted if necessary.
RumourNo. 1

Good post Shappy. We will probably never see the likes of those young teams again, it's probably down to the fact that there is a huge gap in the monetary value between winning and loosing. It must be soul destroying for a young player to be signed by united, progress thru the youth ranks with good reports about their progress and potential only to find that they will never get beyond the reserves. Also if a player goes out on loan he should be garaunteed to get game time with the club in question not just go there and play in their reserves or sit on their bench. Henriquez last year I think was a prime example of this
19 mins football
start in 21 appearances being an unused sub in 15 of these.

Post of the year for me mate.

Spot on!

Red Bear

Shaps mate I agree with you on this.

SAF hasn't been playing youngsters as often as he used to do earlier.

A new manager doing that is understandable because he has to assemble the team as well as deliver trophies quickly and he will obviously choose better squad players than choosing a youngster because he has to save his job. But SAF was under no such pressure, he has the final say as far as team selection is concerned and neither was his job in any danger.

Wonder why his attitude towards youngsters changed?

The other option is the Barcelona model where they have Barcelona B and C which as I understand it play in the lower Spanish leagues.

If we had Manchester United B in the Championship and Manchester United C in the 1st division it would provide the non 1st team players with valuable game time at a good standard and would also show which are good enough to make the step up to the first team.

Of course the FA wouldn't allow a B and C team to parachute into these leagues but there's no reason they couldn't enter at lower levels and work their way up as a long term project.

The tricky bit would be protecting the players in the initial stages at the lower lower levels. You could just imagine some City supporting sunday leaguers loving the opportunity to clobber utd 'starlets'!

Incidently, does anyone know what league would be the entry point for such a ridiculous plan?

If there good enough they will get games.
jred

The only thing holding Mats Daehli back was his size. Technically and skillfully he is better than most of the first team. He just lacks the physicality to play for the seniors.

If they're big enough and good enough they will get games.

Sydney!

Has any young player ever left United and gone on to prove he was good enough to play for the first team.
Maybe pique but I'm not sure he left due to football reasons
Jred

04 Jul 2013 17:37:34
Pique, Rossi and Pogba.

04 Jul 2013 08:53:01
Well if the article in the daily mail is to be believed, which is what I have stated previously, it looks like the club is finally taking a stand and telling Mr. Rooney to put it in writing and then will sell him on their own terms.

I hope it is true as I would really irk me that the guy gets an income windfall from a transfer and I reckon that is the reason for his complete silence on the issue. If he were to acknowledge it even verbally, I guess it is becomes official and he stands to lose quite a lot of cash.

It looks like the club is going to hardball him and he has chewed off a little more than he can handle and Kloot might have been right all along that him and his agent have orchestrated this all along.

Look forward to a new era and a club that rid's itself of this sideshow and time to play Football.

Rumours that, Thiago announcement coming today, United will officially activate his release clause.


Shahram

He won't hand in a transfer request as he will forfeit his 5% of his transfer fee that he is entitled to. MU will continue to say he is not for sale for obvious reasons. I see this playing out for a while yet.

Sydney!

I see it playing out until we announce a new striker/winger signing. I also tend to agree his silence is damning enough to remove all doubts what this is all about.

Shahram

I read somewhere that United and Moyes have all the aces, but I disagree. Rooney has all the aces i'm afraid, he just needs to run his contract out and leave to another club and pocket a massive signing on fee.
Nomidfield

No midfield,

So what does he do for 2 years then till he becomes a free agent? Roy in our reserves. I think united still hold the aces this year.

I just hope we are not waiting to see what happens to the likes of Rooney, Anderson & Nani before making our moves in the market. We could end up signing just a couple targets with an unhappy trio still at the club. If Rooney tries to wind his contract down (I doubt he will), he will probably stop us from getting the targets we want. Nani certainly did rejecting Zenit. I have said for a long time that outgoings will determine our transfers.

Sydney!

Nomidfield - I get your point but given Rooney isn't a model pro and by his own admission needs a run of games to be fully fit and at his best could he really let his contract run for 2 years to leave on a free and expect any of the big clubs to take a gamble? there's also the world cup (assuming England qualify) would he be prepared to miss out on playing in a major tournement?

If Rooney did run his contract down stopping us from bringing in new players you would still get the same people kissing his ass. People should be thinking what's best for the club, not what's best for Wayne Rooney.

Sydney!

United could still afford to buy players no matter what happens with Rooney.
United are a huge club and will be able to handle the situation, I have every confidence in the club.

On a different note glad to see ddg is to be offered an improved contract.
Syd do you still think United regret buying ddg and that someone in the scouting department should be held responsible
Jred

Jred, I am a massive fan of DDG and I am glad he is being given a new deal. However in January the club were looking to bringing in Begovic as the club had doubts about him. I am glad he come through the season a better player, but if he didn't improve he wouldn't be here now. Poor Begovic is now in limbo, oh well ;)

In reality Rooney staying would prevent us from improving certain areas. His £200k (inc bonuses) a week salary would have an impact and we wouldn't have the money we could have if Rooney was sold for £25m. We are not City or Chelsea Jred, we are self sufficient and Rooney staying means less players coming in. Sad, but true.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 07:22:15
Lots of people suggesting Rooney leaving will allow Kagawa to develop in his preffered 'number 10' role, but many of those same people saying they would like Ozil or Mata as Rooney's replacement.

Where is the logic there?

I would only sell Rooney if, first and foremost he doesn't want to be here and doesn't get himself fit, but also only if we can sign a world-class winger to allow Kagawa to blossom. Ozil and Mata are great players, but are very similar to Kagawa, but I personally think Kagawa can be better than both of them. His vision is exceptional, he's quick, he can beat players, he can play lovely little one-two's and he's shown he can score a goal.

I like him playing off the left as well and also think he could play as part of a three man midfield, sort of in the 'Iniesta' role. I have said previously I hope we resolve Rooney's future and he gets his form back, but if not then get rid of him and let Kagawa take over and get a quality winger or even another world-class centre forward.

We don't need Mata or Ozil.

GRD

We are looking at left wingers so that should tell us that Kagawa will not be playing left next season. For me a swap for Lewandowski (not literally) or sell Rooney and bring in a left winger and another midfielder on top of Thiago would be good enough. If for some reason Rooney stays then I would play Rooney in the hole with Kagawa left or right of him. Cannot see that happening though, not unless Rooney decides he wants to wind his contract down and leave for free? In that instance I would play Kagawa in the hole and Rooney in the stands for the next two years.

Sydney!

04 Jul 2013 11:30:19
so on the assumption that rooney leaves who would you suggest? I think mata is unrealistic anyway and don't know why people are even suggesting him. I do think ozil and kagawa could work. But throw names out dude.

At last, some sense is being written. We don't need people coming on here hating rooney for the money he earns etc. We need to find a solution, if he goes, we need Ronaldo or Bale and possibly Lewi as well.

I have said before I can see Kagawa becoming the next Iniesta, the way he drifts about the pitch with the ball clued to his feet always looking for an defence opening pass but also doesn't give the ball away easily. Baring in mind Iniesta only really became world class later on in his career, if Kagawa starts most games next season then he can definitely be one of the best in the world in that position.

Syd, what left wingers are we looking at? Di Maria and Gaitan play on the right and cut in usually? Maybe that position will be more closely looked at after Zaha is analyzed on the pre season tour!

Ozwald

Oz, preseason should tell us a lot. Last season SAF took Robbie Brady to play him LB. To some of us it told us that we were on the verge of signing a LB. And we did. Not our first choice LB, but a LB nonetheless. So the preseason should show us a lot mate.

Sydney!

I agree, although if Mata was available then that may be another RvP situation. If the right player is available, do all we can to sign them no matter what, (No pun intended). However, I think we need one winger and two centre mids, not an attacking mid like Mata. A summer of Lars Bender, Thiago Alcantara and Alexis Sanchez would be perfect.

04 Jul 2013 06:20:40
Just out of interest, has this page been changed out of spite?

I notice the old "Rumour" page format is back, and the search function has been removed.

Unless I am mistaken, I am on my iPhone after all. {Ed001's Note - just updating the search algorithms, it will be back and (hopefully) better.}

03 Jul 2013 23:52:28
Doesnt that Ronaldo interview remind you guys of when Ronaldo said in relation to moving to madrid. 'i am very happy here but the future who knows' he. Said that in the recent interview, hm.

Hex.