Manchester United Banter Archive August 05 2012

05 Aug 2012 22:37:51
Ed, in your opinion, is there any chance of a Cristiano Ronaldo return to OT in the future?

Thanks {Ed007's Note - No mate, sorry.}

05 Aug 2012 21:57:30
Let's sign bolt!

Caolán.

He did say in an interview that he wanted to play for United but he knew it would never happen, maybe we could make his dream come true ; )

-JakeW

It'd be like signing Walcott but with a personality.

BloodRedSummer

05 Aug 2012 21:33:01
Fair enough, you all want to hear what 002 has got to say about the moura situation, but I'm sure it would be the same thing he/she has been saying for the last month or so. Let's face it, no ones going to know whats happening until he actually signs (if he does sign) and I'm certain nothing will happen until after the Olympics so just try being patient. not even the Eds have all the answers

JaZz

05 Aug 2012 20:54:53
Ok, I'm kinda sick and tired on Evra's back. It's just got to the point that it is annoying. I understand he had a loathsome season but what happens if gets back to form? You'll be eating your own tongues like how people were talking about Evans when Vidic was injured. Cut him some slack. And if he does flop again, I'm sure SAF we'll find some1 to replace him.

You could have posted this last summer. This summer should read 'understand he has had two loathsome seasons' and as a result 'SAF is looking to find someone to replace him'.

The proof is in the pudding mate. He managed 1game against England for France before Blanc dropped him for Glichy. Says it all really!

Jono

05 Aug 2012 19:18:49
Another fantastic offensive performance today. Thank god we don't have to play powerhouses like them in the PL. what a wasteful preseason. And carrick scholes and anderson should never play together. Ever. Even two of them should never see the pitch at the same time as each are completely useless going forward and none are particularly good tacklers. What a frustrating game to watch and not a good way to be going into the season. Lots of 1-0 wins and 1-0 losses of saf thinks the current system is the right one. -KG

It was most of the player's first game back.

Chill.

Sydney!

Considering we haven't been beaten yet... Lets not comment if you haven't got a clue

fearny

I know guys , I get the same feeling when lampard mikel and meireles starts !

Good luck for the new season guys, think you will win the prem. if you only lost out on GD last year then I think a strengthened MU will run away with it

Obviously hope chelsea win but I have my doubts aha :) enjoy the new season

BIFTW

Against the nobodies we've played, not getting beaten shouldn't really be our goal. Syd, I'm not commenting on the players, I'm commenting on the system which is what my comments all offseason have been about. When more than one of scholes/carrick/Anderson/fletcher play at any given time we struggle to make chances and score goals. Clearly fitness and sharpness will come, but the formation and lack of attacking desire are long term trends that hurt us last year. -KG

KG,

Did you watch the game? One thing we definitely didn't do is 'struggle to make chances', we had loads of chances but the strikers who were playing were in their 1st game back. When Kagawa came on he was fantastic and some of the football we played at times was brilliant.

Preseason is about getting fitness levels up, and that is what we did yesterday. Vidic, Rooney, Welbeck etc getting 60+ minutes is 10x more important than the result of a meaningless game.

GDS

05 Aug 2012 18:31:17
I notice that there is a lot of banter on all the top team sites apart from man city.. why is this, I live in south of england and support chelsea, but even down here probably more people support Man United than any other team. I have never met a man city supporter, do they only live in manchester?

Nope they just don't exist...

fearny

Iv'e lived and worked in Manchester all my life and am now retired and iv'e only ever come across the odd one ( and they are odd ), youll find that most of them live round the Stockport area and there;s also a few small encleves round Whitefield ,Duckinfield and Ashton. Untill they came into money you could find most of them in the Doldrums.

No mate they live in places like Bury Rochdale and Stockport. In essence 90% of Mancunians are Manchester United fans they just think that places like I have mentioned above are Manchester when in fact they are not.

Manchester used to be a place that people left. So you really answer your own question Southern Reds are of a bigger percentage because like I have said most Mancunians are United fans, just a small pocket of ABU clowns from the surrounding areas are blues.

Mike the Moston Red

Epic fail, Man City's fan base is growing now that they've won the league, but they'll never have the fan base that United have. 659 million fans worldwide means there's bound to be a few from out of Manchester....... now jog on!!
Mitch.

No they all live in Stockport

Parkie mufc

Stockport.

G.A.G.U.S

05 Aug 2012 17:58:21
Well reports coming out already that Brazil are denying that Lucas Moura is having a medical, knew it wouldn't be long. Let say the deal is complete by the end of this week, who else would you all like to see brought in starting our 1st game. I would like to see Witsel. And either Van Persie or Lewandowski. It's a tight one between those 2 would edge towards Lewandowski purely because of his age. Would also love to see Hummels in the Red Devils kit when it's time to say bye to Rio. Opinions Ed's anyone else ?
Bp.

Hummels or Subotic, both quality defenders.

Cban

Hummels is a top quality defender, but to be fair we do not need him right now.

Sydney!

Do we need lucas

05 Aug 2012 17:21:05
To kind of reiterate what some folks have stated, I really do believe that our transfer efforts should revolve around kagawa's unique skill set and, in this regard, I believe that van Persie would be an even better acquisition than people might think. Both are masters of exploiting small spaces in and clever angles in both their passing and shooting. More direct players such as Rooney, Valencia and, perhaps, Lucas will devour the chances they are given. Exciting times ahead if all these building rumors come good. I could see a kind of balls-out lineup like this just rocking teams:

De gea
Valencia.smalling. Vidic. Rafael (I think he's good enough, all around, to play on the left)

Cleverley. Anderson (I still believe)/Carrick

Moura. Kagawa. Rooney (he loves cutting in onto that right foot anyway and works hard defensively)

Rvp.

Impact players available in Hernandez jones welbeck scholes and giggs.

Devastating.

Windy City Red

So you'd play Rafael at left back and Valencia at right back? Our defence would be horrendous. Carrick is also not in the line up, he will play 7 or 8 games out of every 10.

RedDevil19

Those front four could interchange so no real set position. It would be the best front 4 easily in the country.

Red Joe

I acknowledge the Carrick omission and understand the game to game reality of his position. However, the proposed lineup was, as I stated, the "balls-out" (it's a technical term) version that could replicate a 7-1 or 8-2 thrashing of a top team. I would love a new left back. As I have stated before, I - like many others - am simply trying to find a means to incorporate tony v in the case that things do go as they seem to be going, transfer wise, at the moment. I know it's a squad game and all, but the thought of a kind of super XI of simply excellent, exciting players is always enticing. Just a bit of Sunday am fun.

Windy City Red

05 Aug 2012 17:12:24
looking at the game man utd really need a confident and consistent striker who can finish and turn a half a chance into to a goal. rooney is more of a attacking centre mid as he consistently drops back and plays as a third midfielder. imo utd need a striker like higuin, benzema or RVP. they really lake a finishing product to a good move

Couldnt agree more
united were fluid in attacking ... the only thing they missed was the finishing

But we're always like that at the start of the season, if we get RVP or not we still have great finishers at the club already.

Red Joe

An on form Hernandez?

APC

When he is on form tbh he scores simple goals what we need is a striker who can pick up the ball and run at the defenders and produce a moment of magic like vannistoory or Henry

Van nistelrooy magic he scored 1 goal outside the box? He had one thing to do and that was put the ball in the net exactly what Hernandez has to do and will do!

Caolán.

I think Kagawa will terrorise defenders and produce ample magic next season, I really do.

APC

05 Aug 2012 16:26:35
I think Fergie lent Phelan his shirt and tie!

Gar

05 Aug 2012 16:01:06
Why to people think utd need a new striker, berba, hernandez, rooney and welbeck? especially a big name like rvp?

Because Berbatov is leaving.

Sydney!

4 strikers, fergie dint even use chicharito last year? :/

What a player! "Fergie didn't even use Chicho last season" and he still gets 12 goals, what a return. :)

Tommy

05 Aug 2012 15:52:35
PJ {Ed002's Note - As you say everything I have said is wrong I shall just delete all threads where I have made a contribution. The United fans will I am sure thank you for your abuse.}

PJ you knob, we were all waiting on Ed002's Brazilian update. When the editor starts believing it's true 99.999% of us will.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - All the post have now been deleted.}

Hey Ed002... Whilst i understand that you have the complete liberty to share/post/remove anything on this issue, i think its a little unfair for all of us patient fans to bear the brunt for what an person/f00kface did.

Its ur decision and i respect it, but it would be great to know some genuine update on this. Please!!

Deeps... {Ed002's Note - I agree it is unfair but unfortunately that is the way it is now. Abusive trolls like PJ will wreck it for everyone.}

Ed, did you check his IP address? It isn't a Liverpool IP address by any chance is it? Not seen an PJ posts on here before.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - It was a modile device Syd.}

Then ban the a*******

Pardoe {Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as that.}

Ed
Why not just ban the h**khead indeffinately, its so much easier on everybody....
HERBIE {Ed002's Note - Sadly it is not possible with mobile devices.}

Love the site, but ed002 grow up............. {Ed002's Note - I cut the rest of your anonymous trolling post. You can rest assured that you will only get minimal input from me from now on.}

Bond to the rescue...cmon 007.....help us out here by calming down 002.on a more serious note,i support ed002 here.i think we all went overboard regarding this moura saga.starting to get really stretched out now....and some people just don't understand how lucky they are when someone tries to help them.

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

PJ is the most hated United fan in the country tonight. Ban him Eddie.

05 Aug 2012 15:26:06
why is every1 saying we need a new midfielder cleves is gona have a great season im sure and if he proves not good enough (whitch i doubt) then we will sign someone we always give youth a chance before we buy players unless its an young serious talent or a class player going cheap in sir alex we must trust

weststandupper

05 Aug 2012 14:54:04
CBF refuse to release Lucas Moura for
Manchester United medical The Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) have
refused to release their Brazil international Lucas
Moura for a medical at Manchester United. Late
Saturday evening, The Mail on Sunday and The
Telegraph were reporting that a deal had been
done between United and São Paulo and that Moura would be having a medical at United. But a
statement on the CBF site said they had not
received a request from any English club and in
any case, the player would not be released from
Brazil’s training centre to attend a medical.
When Brazil’s football delegation arrived in the UK in late July, the CBF gave their permission for
Oscar to attend a medical at Chelsea.

05 Aug 2012 14:38:37
Moura's deal goner be announced in a couple of hours now

Chidubest

05 Aug 2012 14:02:47
Hi all,

do you think a midfield two of Sahin & Kagawa could work? both previously played together at Dortmund and I was wondering if they played in the centre of a midfield four there?

tbir.

Kagawa is not a Center Mid, when will people learn this. He plays behind the striker but cam also operate on the left. Seriously, the amount of stupid people on here

05 Aug 2012 13:48:54
Sky news presenter and big United fan Eammon Holmes has tweeted 'looks like Lucas Moura is on his way to Old Trafford, RVP next?' or words to that effect. We're not the only ones getting excited. not that he knows more than anyone else, just adds fuel to the flames....
Mitch.

05 Aug 2012 13:22:03
We arnt' buying anyone else we don't have the funds to pay for transfer fees or wages.

Unless we sell a big player where are we getting the money for this so called 50 million for both moura and RVP.

Just another load of media lies.

LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZER

I will bet that you are wrong mate.

GDS

I hope i am wrong but where the money coming from?

love united hate glazer

05 Aug 2012 13:01:09
Miguel Delaney says "Done Deal Alright"

Bob Cass says "Done Deal"

Telegraph says "Within 48 hours"(How reliable a source is it?)

I wouldn't hold my breath as of now, but there is hope for sure. Lets hope we see it on Manutd.com sometime soon!

Deeps....

05 Aug 2012 11:20:03
Just a few things this morning. Firstly, bad luck to the GB boys, Cleverly has looked very sharp but I am quite glad that we are out of the football now because we can get our boys back to the club. Club football will always be more interesting than international football - especially Olympic football.

Secondly, things are pointing towards us getting the deal for Lucas Moura done. SAF staying behind, Moura will be in Manchester for the next few days as will his family - hopefully this will all lead to him signing. He has spoken about how good it felt to play at OT, that can only be a positive thing. Hopefully he is going for a medical today like the Mail on Sunday reported. They are also reporting that we are nearing a deal for RVP. I think he has two options, come to us or stay at Arsenal. Personally I don't believe that we will give Arsenal the required fee so he will rebuild his career there - but you never know. Unfortunatly, the Mail loses credibility when it also says that we have signed Lewandowski for next year, signing Lewandowski and RVP would never happen. Other papers are also linking us with Isco - apparently we are going to enquire, this is doubtful.

Overall, spending £50 million on Moura and RVP seems some what over the top in terms of adding to our attacking options. Naturally the big names would look good on the shirt. But in terms of squad balance, it leaves us a little bit top heavy. I can see Moura and a Left Back come in, perhaps we will take a look at Witsel too - I feel that there is interest there but I really don't know. Hopefully Moura and Baines will be the next two to come in. We certainly need a solid Left Back as Moura will probably play on the left - if Evra decideds to play ahead of him as a Left Forward like last season then we will be playing with no one at Left Back most of the time as Moura will not defend as much as Young did.

RedDevil19

Im hoping we act on our interest for witsel, he is the player we are missing in our midfield and could pair up with all our cm's at the club already. Dont know how much he would cost but around 22m would be good business in my opninon. Hopefully ed002 will bring good news regarding witsel in the next week or so but doubt it.

05 Aug 2012 11:53:21
People saying what formation would we use if we got RVP and Moura.

Well I have been thinking and this is what I have come up with.

-----DeGea
Rafael-Vidic-Ferdinand-Evra
---------Carrick
Toni---------------Moura
---------Kagawa
-----RVP-------Wazza

as you can see this formation would allow roation in the attack as Rooney and Kagawa can both play as the CF role and The strikers and switch from RVP/Rooney/Chicha/Welbeck.

Maybe this could be the formation we will start to use because I remember in one of our pre-season games we used this with Berba Chicha And Kiko.

Just my opinion, feel free to share your views!

-JakeW

I think if we signed both then

_____________DDG
Rafael___Smalls___Vidic__Evra
______Carrick____Kagawa____
Valencia____Rooney____Moura
____________RVP___________

Obviously that would ruin Kagawa so wouldnt happen so it would have to about squad rotation if it happened.

Ive been thinking what we would play if we were to sign moura and rvp and to be honest im stumped, i pretty much had the sam team as yourself but thought it may be to attacking and leave us vulnerable defensively. Im all for signing moura and rvp but cant help but think one of them should be a player like witsel or sahin and if im honest id prefer witsel and moura/rvp. tom17

Carrick is not good enough at being a DM for these formations I don't think. We could do with a good DM for this formation.

RedDevil19

Why do people constantly put moura on the left when its not his position!? The same people want to get rid of Nani (not me) as he is inconsistent playing from his unfavoured postion on the left and think they can play moura there and all will be well. Unbelievable!

Fabs

It's a squad game, doesn't really matter what formation the 'first 11' will play as we don't have one.

GDS

I agree with Fabs, he prefers AM role but even with Brazil he's been getting played on the right.

Tommy

Dont think the line up (from the OP) would be strong enough in Midfield, Defensively! With just Carrick protecting the back four, i can see Barca easily tearing through us with that formation as their mid-field is Narrow with the width being provided by wingbacks, so it would be 3 players against...Carrick? I think RVP wont happen, dont need him. He doesnt even fall under Fergie's criteria, He is 28-29, very injury prone and has ONE good season! I'd rather take Song from arsenal and Play him beside Carrick or Cleverly in Midfield with rooney up front and Kags just behind.
James.

05 Aug 2012 11:06:27
If it is true about RVP and Moura, It will be amazing, But what about the Scholes' replacement , surely that is more important than RVP unless we'll play 442
NSN

I think SAF sees enough potential in Cleverley and Petrucci after this season
ARB

Cleverley, Anderson, Lingard, Powell, Petrucci, Tunners... we've already got Scholes replacement, I'm hoping in a few years it will be Lingard.

Red Joe

To be honest i do not think we are calling out for a central midfielder like everyone is saying well not desperate for one anyway, if we have less injuries this season we should be far better off than last. I think Anderson when fit could be class after a few games i dont know why but i just think he is special and with Carrick along side him and then Kagawa in front hed be insane imo

05 Aug 2012 10:50:19
this one is for sydney.
Never spoken to you directly so just thought id say your one person whos posts i enjoy reading.

I noticed on a few occasions you have mentioned a man named miguel delany and believe him to be quite reliable. Well according to him, he reckons the lucas moura deal is done, although he does kind of hint at a little shock because daily fail had also reported this. rvp is very close, nothing in sahin rumours and the baines deal is now dead because everton wont compromise on price what so ever. He also says this news comes from a very reliable source of his. What do you think? Because i didnt believe we were serious about rvp and also thought the rumours of moura deal being done was rubbish. But now im not too sure.
Trickee

05 Aug 2012 10:11:42
Althouhg i'd like to, it's sort of hard to believe the reports in the mail today re moura van persie but there's a report in the telegraph that basically says the same thing.

And with fergie not travelling so he can do some club business.......

05 Aug 2012 09:41:05
At the beginning of the season it proved Anderson & Cleverley had a great understanding. Bypassing the oppositions midfield & defence though leaving a gap at the back on many occasions.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of this again this season.

Near the end of the season Welbeck & Rooney were showing signs of Yorkers & Cole's relationship on the pitch with beautiful interlink.

Hopefully another full sea on ahead it will blossom even more.

If the rumours are true & Lucas & van Persie arrive do you think they will gelling with the rest of the forward lines quick movement and pass n play?

Be interesting to see how Kagawa & Rooney link.
I think Kagawa's quick thinking & through balls will suit Chicharito's style of play.

Why would you want to see more of them ' leaving a gap at the back on many occasions'

they were playing against lower division teams. against better opposition we were wide open down the middle

05 Aug 2012 08:53:43
Lucas Moura deal all over the net today.
telegraph reporting too.

Seems the story might have legs.
Expected to be completed in next 48hrs.
Brilliant news, perhaps this might begin some real movement in the market.

Cretins And The Emu.

05 Aug 2012 07:16:12
not one but two?
ngiak wished the first good luck earlier this week...
and a second is imminent
we will have a strong team indeed... ngiak is happier if things pan out
the end of the olympics marks the beginning of the new man united era..
few to make way though
gan

04 Aug 2012 23:50:26
Manchester United have agreed a £30million deal for Brazil's Lucas Moura - and Sir Alex Ferguson is hoping to take his spending to close on £50m by finally ending the Robin van Persie transfer saga this week.


Lucas Moura will have a medical in Manchester today after travelling down last night from Newcastle for Brazil's Olympic Games quarter-final against Honduras at St James' Park, where he started on the bench.
Ferguson stayed behind to finalise the Moura business when the team left for Norway yesterday for the match against Valerenga

Sorry for the copy and paste. Lucas seems believable, but I doubt the Van Persie part.

THE SHINING KNIGHT

04 Aug 2012 23:32:42
Sydney you did say Bob Cass was a reliable source when it coms to Utd news he has reported we have agreed a £30 mil deal for Moura and he will have a medical on sunday and also RVP is close to joining ?

MANRED

Bob Cass also said that Charlie Adam should be Scholes' replacement... ;)
#RJW

Bob cass as had his fair share of the hairdryer from fergie over the years, but he is also known to be a reporter fergie generally gets on with, so this story may ave some legs, eds your opinion please ???????? {Ed002's Note - I don't know Bob Cass but as I have explained the deal with Moura is driven by complications introduced by his club and agent and the finances surrounding the deal. Financial criteria for a sale has been established and subject to that being met, in theory, a sale can happen.}

MANRED, I do not take any journalist's word as gospel, but he is the journalist our manager uses. But you have to bare in mind that our manager's red herring's and bluffs will probably go through Bob Cass too.

Bob Cass has not said Lucas has signed, but believes it's close. Miguel Delaney who has different sources has said the same. I do not believe anything until it happens, lets not forget Hazard was shown around OT and he still went to Chelsea.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - HAzard was always going to go to Chelsea Syd. Moura's parents had a very nice holiday in Madrid at the expense of a football club - I don't recall which.}

#RJW, our manager probably asked him to say that. The manager already made a point of saying Adam's crosses alone are worth £10m. Anything to make Liverpool pay an extra few million ;)

Sydney!

Ed002, was it UCL final result pending?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - No Syd.}