Manchester United Banter Archive January 06 2012

06 Jan 2012 23:13:14
I'm a long time reader of the site, it's brilliant, keep up the good work ;)
I was just wondering if one of the eds could confirm the contract situations of both Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison.
I've head SAF has said that we have the option to increase the length of Pogba's contract for a further year, will this stop him being able to talk to clubs in January and on Morrison's agent's website it says he is contracted until 2014.

Would appreciate if you could confirm or deny this, many thanks

tbir. {Ed001's Note - as far as I can find out, the info you have given is correct.}

06 Jan 2012 22:30:33
Well what about Rhodes aye? Worth a shout for the future?

Another thing for the banter... What if a team wanted to buy both xavi and iniesta or messi which transfer(s) would cost the most in all of your opinions.. Espescially like to hear from ed(s) sydney! RFT. All the reguar posters!. {Ed001's Note - age would make it Messi. If they were all of a similar age it would be Xavi and Iniesta.}

06 Jan 2012 21:53:26
is the united v city game on scottish tv {Ed007's Note - It's not mate but if you have Virgin it is on channel 853.}

06 Jan 2012 20:42:36
James McCarthey a must be. Sorry ED007 i wanna number 6 on the list.

Although he is a very good player and deserves a chance at big club

Mad Hatter {Ed007's Note - I've been saying it since the summer. A bit of energy and dig in midfield wouldn't go amiss I reckon and I have seen him play since he was 14/15. I think I actually bored people about him so I will keep quiet :-)

06 Jan 2012 19:23:32
Maybe we are too predictable plating 4 4 2 or 4 5 1/ 4 3 3

maybe we need to end this emphasis on wingers and try a 4 3 1 2 or a 4 2 3 1 or 4 3 2 1 formation, shake it up a bit.

06 Jan 2012 18:27:36
Well I think it's time to get realistic, this talk of getting Gotze or Modric or even Fat Frank are way wide of the mark.
As I said weeks ago we won't sign anyone, there is no one available, no value in the market, the same old nonsense we have heard before.
We will go out of the Cup on Sunday, City will win the double and we might just scrape 2nd place.
I know it all sounds doom and gloom but I think with a new keeper settling in, Vidic out for the season and still no real strength in the centre of midfield I think 2nd is all we can hope for.
I said before the season started our midfield would get overrun by average teams just look at the Newcastle game.
I do believe that Fergie will get it right again next season but we do need some drastic changes.
Last season we were the best of a bad bunch and City have overtaken us this year and Spurs are close as well.
Anyway rant over and I still think we are good up front, 5 class strikers just no one to provide them.
Please please please but Toni on the wing and not in defence.

Red Daz.

06 Jan 2012 16:53:56
Gary Cahill's move to Chelsea is off. His wife failed to agree personal terms with John Terry!

06 Jan 2012 16:10:37
Question, are the reports about Ganso true? And would we be happy to see him here if we put in an offer? I really do hope so - he looks classy and would just need to bulk up a bit for the EPL.

06 Jan 2012 15:52:08
who would suit us more?

van der vaart and modric or

higuain and ozil

if we swapped them for rooney

redboy

06 Jan 2012 15:46:46
well least Fergie didnt lie about something hes right he cant get the players he wants&theres a reason why he cant,he aint got the money for it! forget all the laughable cover excuses of squad strong enough,no value in the market,january a bad month to buy no one will sell! now the joke link to lumpard god the only place hes great at is in hes own mind! seen at world cups just a lump waddling around lost against top class so why the hell would we want him the rent boy sub!
so if it aint the cash&the player must be better than what we got is another line they use, so example sneijder they now say is for sale at 25m(yes i know the wages thing) so we have 25m according to fergie now is he better than what we got well it is a close call aint it when you line up Carrick,Anderson,fletch,Park,the legend of an agein Giggs!
Dont turn to united fans in may if the league as gone to city&say injuries cost us it shant work! you say you got money,pay the money clubs will sell players will come!

06 Jan 2012 15:09:58
Controversial comment here, Lampard sounds like a reasonable bet to come in. Here's why:

1) SAF has said he is not interested - believe the opposite of what he says on transfers.

2) Short term solution until Gotze or someone like Ozil is available and gives the youth lads to mature.

3) Gives us goals in midfield which SAF has said that we don't get enough of.

4) Experience would help the younger lads alot - especially Morrison i feel.

You can agree or disagree but it is more plausible than you think. No way will we pay him over 100k. It simply won't happen.

Let me end on this: You say its outrageous and would never happen, but who would of said that we would sign Liverpool legend Michael Owen? An older quality player like Owen, Larsson etc is perfect for the midfield now until we can do more business in summer!

RedDevil19 {Ed002's Note - But it won't happen.}

06 Jan 2012 14:22:43
What do you's think of signing chris samba, Jorge Alba and Moussa Sissoko?

Picture this as a team and remember the above x2 players are absolute beasts, so having that strength in the team would also be a bonus:_

GK: De Gea / Lindegaard
RB: Jones
LB: Alba
CB: Smalling
CB: Samba
RM: Nani
LM: Young
CM: Sissoko
CM: Cleverley
ST: Rooney
ST: Wellbeck

Next season when vidic will be back i'd have him play alongside smalling, and the team could be rotated all over the place if need be / depending on the opposition, plus you'd have the likes of morrison progressing also (reckon pogba will be moving on in the summer tho)

Reckon we could get all 3 of them players for under £40million and that would be us sorted for a few seasons

Robbo

06 Jan 2012 11:59:46
In my opinion SAF should do what he's good at. Take a punt on a youngster.

Ravel Morrison.

That boy has got some serious talent and could really add something different to our midfield.

Plus that'd help us get him tied into a contract.

06 Jan 2012 09:59:32
Youtube and all of yesterdays papers carried the story of Patrice Evra and his foulmouthed rant in 2004 from his hotel room and balcony. It was a documentry filmed by Canal+ and it does not make Mr Evra look quite so squeaky clean or innocent as he came across in his statement to the FA. He said he could not tell the referee exactly what Mr Suarez said, but said as it was not a word he liked to use ever......the clip shows that this clearly is not the case and this should be noted by the FA, with regard to any such incidents, should they arise in the future....Don't get me wrong, what Mr Suarez did was wrong.....and is being punished for his actions.....but Mr Evra has shown that he is not only a hypocrite, but also a liar......Remember this is the same man who almost brought the FFF to its knees by threatening to get all the french international players to go on strike.....He is also the current Captain of our club.....something at the moment I am not to happy about.......how would this look now, on our fan base from those whom his words offend....not to mention sponsorship deals, investment etc to have our Captain (irrespective of whom he was contracted to at the time) using such language to fellow professionals and human beings in the manner he did......Suarez was wrong for what he said........but Evra you are too and you have no defence whatsoever {Ed002's Note - This was discussed extensively yesterday on the Liverpool pages. I recommend that you go there and read the thread on the Banter otherwise we will no doubt simply be duplicating some of the same discussions if we carry on with it here.}

06 Jan 2012 10:57:40
Herb it was late when I wrote. It aint posted yet and I aint sure I made a great deal of sense.(where's my aint's coming from? Shoulda said isn't in it) I'll put it this way

.. saf needs to get the team sorted out the focus will come back. Additions introductions with youth. Even with the injuries which would have seen us better we're lacking the x-factor to give the fear factor. Indiscipline smacks of lack of focus or disillusionment.

Not excusing rooney but anyone who thinks selling rooney is a good thing. Well good luck in replacing him. I think the indiscipline will be forgotten about and rooney's commitment which he has shown over the years will be evident again.
He's not as arrogant as people think. We're talking someone who has been growing up in public view making mistakes and despite that pressure he has played some exceptional football with his heart on his sleeve.

If we are frustrated and doubting management down would the players not be feeling the same? Yet we are crucifying them. This is a rot we are all in.

i'm not rose tinted glasses. You say see the bigger picture and I think I do. The team has been rocked by injuries and yet we should be able to cope, it killed the earlier style we were aiming for and pulling off. Made unsteady the back line killed the link between attack and defence. That means the better play was on fragile foundations but it can be reinforced. At least the formula is found. The key for my patience.

The team isn't sure what its doing. But this is the thing and I understand the frustrations i do. I feel the same. But I think all of this can turn sound in an instant.

this is a midfield problem an inability to progress with a style of play that improved us. The squad is good but is not clicking. Find the answer to that and any indiscipline or disillusionment will go with the players and the fans.. Just like that.

and I honestly believe that the main priority is someone that is so rare like a modric that is proving difficult to get.

But i THINK its massively foolish to think that alex isn't trying. You think if wants to go out like this? If we played fantastic with cleverly yet we were suspect at back we need peer for cleverly and sheild for backline. Then right back left back and cover for defense. But get the first target we will click. We will see better from squad players we thought past it. Anyway I think i'm going on too much. We are in a crisis but it can change in an instant. ..constantine.. And p.s how many of us went out with friends for a drink and a meal? Yes he was wrong but xmas holideays is sacred for families and friends. Its criminal what the players sacrifice at this time of year. We should be cable to give football a rest.

06 Jan 2012 08:54:30
Just thinking, How many fans would like to see Rooney leave for Ozil and Higuain to come in? Let me know what you Guys think.
Me personally i think Rooney is no longer interested at United and Ozil and Higuain would do more for the team, But thats just my opinion.
JM!

06 Jan 2012 08:18:27
Listening to TalkSport this morning at 6.30am, Alan Brazil and Chicken were talking to the TalkSport Dutch Football Correspondent named Marcel about Steve Maclaren returing to FC Twente and about Nigel De Jong. Anyway, at the end of the interview, Brazil asked if there was a chance Sneijder would come to England this month? Apparently Sneijder will not come out and say anything as he does not want to upset Inter fans but it is well known that in the Sneijder household, Wesley (I feel I can call him Wesley now as we have been talking about him for over a year and I feel comfortable enough to be on a first name basis with him!) is after a big contract move to United and is willing to take a paycut, HOWEVER, he is not prepared to take a 50% paycut, which I can kind of understand as it would cheese me off but I am not of £200,000+ a week!
So my question to everyone is this, was SAF stupid not to make the move happen and give Sneijder what he wanted or was the great man right not to bow down to player demands?
I have said many times before that SAF will do what is best for the club and by not given in to Sneijders wage demands he is protecting the wage structure of the club. If we had offered him the wages he wanted then that would set a president for any players comining in to the club and long term this would not be good for us because, and we all say it, players have to much power in the game now and it is ruining football (Joleon Lescott earning close to or more than £100,000 a week? Do me a favour!)
Anyway, feel free to discuss this? It seems that something could happen with Sneijder if offers are made and wages agreed as it would seem he wants the move to happen. (I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited by him coming but I hope it doesn't result in us breaking the bank) And before people start saying Rooney is on this and that, he's been at the club a while, proven EPL player and is still a young man and wages are more than likely made up through sponsorship etc.

Ports

06 Jan 2012 09:54:43
“By Fergie’s own admission, ‘the game has changed’. Trouble is he hasn’t.
“He looks tired now and bored and treats the squad as a experiment for himself to gamble on. He deserves all the plaudits for what he has done [in the past now] but his time is up.
“If the Glazers really care about the club they should dispense with these dinosaurs in a dignified way and we shall begin a new era.
“I strongly doubt Mourinho or anyone would wish to retain the services of our coaching staff but I fear Fergie’s influence will still cast a shadow over the club long after he has gone. We are heading the Liverpool way I am afraid.”

couldn't of put it better myself, this guy hits the nail right on the head.a bit harsh with the dinosaur bit though.

SAF has done wonders for the club but it's time he moved on after this season.

nobody is bigger than manchester united, not even sir alex.
yes we have had problems in the past and came through but who's to say that we will overcome this? i bet liverpool fans said the same 22 years ago.. we need to learn from liverpools mistake and not get delusional and think everything is fine, because it hasn't been for a few seasons now.

(PS, don't think i dislike SAF because i don't, i love the guy but nobody lasts forever, just like players managers to have their day.)

JK

06 Jan 2012 09:41:39
Every game this season the average age has gone from 23 yrs old againest tottenham to 29 against Newcastle. Also, the amount of miles covered has dropped. Roughly around 80 miles at start of season to 48 miles against Blackburn

06 Jan 2012 07:46:29
spurs are after ganos for 15m apparently, if this is true why on earth aren't we also trying to sign him for that fee?

another good player we will miss out on.

06 Jan 2012 01:24:12
We should try a 4-4-2 Diamond formation - buy Martinez or Khedira for holding midfield could even use Jones. And buy Goetze/Ganso/Hamsik/Hazard as Attacking Midfielder.

06 Jan 2012 00:18:29
Constantine........... Refering to the Rooney comment on the rumour page, the way I see it is when Rooney messes up for whatever reason it effects his game which then haves a knock on effect to the whole team. Rooney broke club rules, went out for a meal and a few drinks then could'nt train because of it. The fact that he was dropped for that game meant we lost when if he was on the pitch the chances are we would of won, gone top of the league and went to the Toon game buz zing with confidence and possibly won that game too. So yes, Rooney does have to knuckle down for the good of our beloved UTD. Things could have been so different if he stayed at home that day, he is'nt bigger than the club. Rooney is one of my favourite players but he needs to stop been temperamental and start being more professional. I value your opinion Constantine but you have to look at the bigger picture.... HERBIE