Manchester United Banter Archive June 07 2012

 

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07 Jun 2012 23:46:01
Last chance!

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G.A.G.U.S

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Team: Shakter Senseless.

-------------Akinfeev-
O'Shea--Hummels--Alba--Williems-
---Sneijder--Cabaye--Shirokov-
--Benzema--Gomez--Van Persie-

Not bad I think.

Best names: Turner and Gooch and Touching Cloth haha.

Jono

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Are you ready for the winning team?

Neuer

Arbeloa
Hummels
Lescott
Alba

Ribery
Parker
Gotze

Robben

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I have similar:

____________Neuer
Jones__Hummels__Alba__Williems
_____Eriksen___Ozil___Cesc
__Benzema__Gomez__Lewandowski

G.A.G.U.S

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I entered my mum's works Fantasy League...under the team name "Test Eagles"...never got so much of a bollocking in my life after the boss called my mum in haha!

MPez

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07 Jun 2012 23:36:43
y are people getting excited about modric, we dont need him and for 30 million u might aswel try get shweinsteiger from bayern. atleast he wud give us a bit ov steel in the middle of the park and that wud free kagawa to do wat he does best which is create and score alot ov goals. also think that munain or nicolas gaitan should replace nani, yeh sometimes hes game changing but alot ov the time all i see is the rest ov the team shouting at him coz hes lost the ball. wud keep hold of anderson and pray he stays fit coz he is good on the ball and started last season on fire with cleverly before they both got injured.

forever united!!

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So you would rather have Anderson than Modric, I have heard it all now!

GDS

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No i said id rather have shweinsteiger than modric!! and yeh id rather have anderson than modric coz the last time i checked he was still a united player and if u were a true utd fan ud always pick a united player over a tottenham player. jus my opinion tho. modric is a brill player but i think we need a tackler and a box to box midfeilder and not jus a passer coz kagawa will do all that for us!

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In an ideal world I'd take Schweinsteiger (great surname) over Modric obviously

Trouble is, Modric IS available and Schweiny IS NOT

Bearing that in mind it's an easy choice in my book

Gav

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Ah ok I get it, so I should rather have Bebe than Bale as last time I checked Bebe was still a United player. What a silly thing to say. And questioning whether I am a true United fan because of it? You don't know what a true United fan I am, pathetic.

GDS

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Jesus...the amount of whinjing on this site by certain people of unreal.
Maodric would be a great buy fopr 25 million pounds, he's a superb player.
Averyone has been moaning about how we need midfielders, Fergie goes out and buys them and still your not happy.
Some people are never happy!

Simmo

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07 Jun 2012 23:34:57
Would love to see modric,m'villa and a good left back like bains cissoko or that german guy who plays for dortmund. I think that would complete or squad. Too compete at homw and in europe all the players we sign will all be on are starting line up. So that would be the best summer weve had in years. I just cant wait for the season to begin. Mufc for life. Belfast red

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07 Jun 2012 23:11:15
I, for one, would love to see luka modric in a manchester united shirt. He is a quality player who would improve our starting 11 and is worth every penny of his asking price ( if its less than 30 mils of course ). But, im not really sure he is needed as much as a defensive minded midfielder. Luka modric is a passer, a tempo controler. You see him play the short passes, the long passes, carry the ball forward, recycle it to the wingers... and he is absolute quality at that, the closest thing to scholes we can find but tbh, we already have many choices in that position, for the time beeing they are michael carrick, paul scholes, tom cleverley and anderson. And in terms of midfield enforcers we only have fletcher who may or may not be playing next season.
Now in a 4-2-3-1, a passer or a deep lying playmaker partner the enforcer (khdeira-alonso). Cleverley still needs a season to prove himself as a first choice playmaker and he should be given that opportunity next year, with scholes and carrick beeing the more experienced heads and ando.. i pretty much think he is off. Carrick would be ideal next to ryan tunicliff should he be given the chance because he adds an extra protection to the back 4 if young ryan cant handle it.
As for the enforcer, i would love any of martinez or m'vila. Strootman is more of a box to box playmaker than a defensive midfielder and has yet to prove himself. Asamoah looks decent, but his tackling ability and positioning are aweful. M'vila i think can be grabed easiely considering he is a united fan.
Now for the "valencia is not suited to the pass and move interchangeable football" debate, i stronly disagree. Valencia is by far the best passer on the wings ( 9% higher than youmg and some 13% than nani ). For ecuador, valencia plays either as a midfielder or as an attacking midfielder. His inability to use his left foot ( mostly due to the fact he cant do any conditioning on his left because of the metal plaque he has been wearing since his injury ) is made up for by an incredible strength, an ability to keep the ball and a good technique in using the outside of his foot for passing, which is why i beleive he will be able to adapt, added to that is his wonderful work ethic and his dedication. The linup would look like this

-------------De Gea---------
Rafael---evans---vidic---izag..
--------m'vila--clevers------
Valencia---kagawa---nani--
----------rooney----------

If money was not an obstacle i would get modric for clevers obviously and munian for nani ( i know he is unproven but this guy is gonna be a ballon d'or contender in the next 3-4 years ).
Ins:
-kagawa ( 14 mils )
-izagg ( 7 mils )
-m'vila ( 18 mils )
-modric ( 30 mils )
-munian ( 25 mils )

Outs:
-berbatov ( 8 mils )
-anderson ( 10 mils )not sure about that one i would prefer if we keep him but his injuries seem not to end
-nani ( 30 mils ) nani should be given one more season imo and then if his consistency doesnt improve than goodbye especially that he seems to want out
-fringe ( 5 mils )

total : 94-53=49 mils.

now i chose iza because he would not make a big fuss about rotating with evra this season and fabio and co the season after anf then when fryers and blackett seem to be ready to make the grade we can sell him and hed still have a decent price. As for young, he can cover for the whole attacking 3 behind rooney and get plenty of playing time.
I would also do my best to ign adam maher from az he is an attacking midfielder who can also operate as a box to boxer. He has a wonderful passing range( best cross field passes ive seen from an 18 yo )and has won the eredivisie young player of the year... seems like scholesy replacement to me and hope we can get him this year, if not than next year !

Sorry for the long post and excuse my english, it's my fourth language after all.
Mick

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I completely agree with everything you mentioned. Would love the likes of Powell and clyne too though.

Nik Legend SA

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07 Jun 2012 22:43:29
Would NOT want to see Del Pierro at United...he's 37 and while I don't doubt he still has some ability, why would we give game time to a player that age when we could develop players like Welbeck and Hernandez? Kagawa can also play up front just behind the main striker, so we aren't stuck for them! In fact (and i'm just speculating) I think SAF might want to mold Kagawa into a proper striker with his position just behind Rooney and buy one if not two midfielders during the transfer window.

Andy

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07 Jun 2012 22:11:29
A lot of people on here saying we're looking to play with one up front next season and I think this is great, but then you have to think of the little pea and wellbeck... If Rooney is fit he'll start every game he can (apart from league cup games maybe and early f.a cup games depending on opponents...)
Which leaves Pea and wellbeck not really getting much game time and not being sharp enough for when they are called upon for a start... Also Rooney mentioned how he loved playing with wellbeck, and using him on the wing is a waste of talent
Just want some ideas of what formations we'll use?

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Welbeck will start on the left quite a lot, and will swap with kagawa who will play behind rooney. But you have to remember that Kagawa won't play every game and we will still line up with two strikers quite a lot, especially at home I would think. I don't think we will have any worries with game time with welbeck and chicha. When you think about it, those wanting a top new striker are living in a dream land as we have plenty of options.

RedDevil19

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Who's to say Rooney doesn't play behind Welbeck in lots of games

Pardoe

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You make a fair point, young rooney and wellbeck could all pretty much rotate during the match as well... I agree with you that we don't need a new striker at all, unless its a Henrick larsson type signing just to give us more options when games stack up

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Even if we do go 4231 (i hope we do) we will still revert to 442 or 4411 in plenty of games IMO against 'lesser' teams and in domestic cup games

And with the number of injuries we seem to see in the modern game I really wouldn't worry about either getting ample game time. Just imagine we lost Rooney for a few months we'd be down to 2 youngsters in Wellbeck/Hernandez and hardly a striker to sit on the bench!

Gav

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07 Jun 2012 22:00:11
If we get

Cabaye-20 million

Powell - 4 million

Alba - 15 million

Along with shinji,that would be a great summer

This would be the team,4-2-3-1

Ddg

Rafa. Vidic. Jones. Alba

Cabaye .scholes

Valencia Kagawa Nani

Rooney

We could make Rooney a main striker
We could do quite a bit of squad rotation with young coming in for Valencia or Nani and Ferdinand,smalling and Evans coming in at defence
Thanks first post,Ddgvalencia030300

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Welcome!
Yes to Cabeye, won't get Alba, Welbeck will command significant game time next season I think.

Keep em coming!

DodgyBanter

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I don't mind the signings (would prefer Modric to Cabaye) and I like the formation but we couldn't get away with starting Scholes next to Cabaye (too wide open), would have to be Carrick if we didn't sign a more defensive minded CM

Gav

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No chance with cabaye hes not good enough for a club like utd we need a grafter who isnt scared to put his foot in. i think with the addition of kagawa we got a lot of talent going forward but we lack a holding midfeilder and i just think we could get a better player than cabaye.

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Above no name.

You do realise Cabaye put the most tackles in out of all prem CM'ers last season don't you? So I think there is a clear indication he is not shy of a challenge! He is also a top quality passer with a good free kick. All boxes we need ticks in for our ball retaining CM of the future.

Jono

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07 Jun 2012 21:48:57
Hi, its y first time posting on here (more of a reader) but I don't get why some people are hating on the modric situation, i think he is going to be such a good player at united, and its going to be hard too turn down an offer seeing as united are in the champions league, spurs aren't, we just need a revamped midfield. We need natural playmakers, and ball winners, i think we will have the funds to complete the signings, with nani, berbatov and others off.

after a good sumer we could end up with this if everything goes to plan. 5-2-1-2
------------------De Gea------------
------Vidic-------Ferdinand--------Evans
Valencia or Clyne?------------------Bale or Alba?
-----------Modric--M'Vila or Strootman?-----------
-------------------Kagawa-------------
---------------Rooney---Welbeck------------


Tommy

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Agree mate, think he's made for United both due to his work ethic and the fact he is a natural replacement for Scholes

Gav

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I totally agree with a formation like this! Dont forget rafeal and maybe fabio if he stays

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Good shout i said a formation like this a few weeks back but different players i think its the way well go solid at the back when needed flooding forward when not.
redpop

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07 Jun 2012 21:48:02
Is it just down to SAF's liking of Modric that is holding us back from bidding for the likes of Sneijder? They have to be around a similar price? Sneijder's creativity in midfield far succeeds Modric, add to that a holding player like Asamoah (who isn't too expensive given his apparent talent) and maybe a LB...Man s**ty can leave the trophy outside Old Trafford, we'll pick it up sometime around Christmas!

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Sneijder was a nightmare last season and turned us down / asked for ridiculous wages. They are different players so cannot really compare Modric to Sneijder but if Modric wants to play for us then I think he could be an amazing player at Old Trafford. He has the Premier League experience and playing with Rooney he could be great.

GDS

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For the love of god, sneijder is as much a midfielder as rooney is! And modric is quality
Mick

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Sneijder plays just behind the striker as does kagawa
Modric is a ball playing mid/deep lying playmaker sneijder would not work as a cm.

Discountdave

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07 Jun 2012 21:22:01
Who do people think was the best midfielder in the league this season.
i think i would have to go for yaya
jred

I agree, Yaya by a huge margin. Without him and Kompany we'd be laughing.

Percy

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Park was effective when he was fit

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Or - with Vidic and other lengthy lay-offs we'd be laughing.

FredtheRed

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Park ?

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Did no name just suggest Park?

GDS

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Scholes has got to be up there, not saying he was the best, but he made one hell of a difference to our season. This from one of the first, and most vocal, critics of his return. I have since had to hold my hands and say I was wrong.

APC

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07 Jun 2012 20:15:55
any news or updates on Cristian Eriksen or Yevhen Konoplyanka?

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Who is that Konoplyanka guy? Never heard of him before. Would love to see Christian Eriksen at United, but I think he wants to remain at Ajax for another season.

Breeno {Ed007's Note - Yevhen Konoplyanka it is Breeno, he plays for FC Dnipro in the Ukraine.}

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07 Jun 2012 20:22:31
"No its not over the top !
What is over the top is guys like you coming on here spouting rubbish about transfers you know nothing about.
Anyone can speculate but you act like you have inside info and we should all hang on your every word.

Devil Dust."

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To be fair, all he said was 'I have been given knowledge' - somebody could've sent him a link, handed him the paper, anything. He never once claims that he has insider knowledge.

Secondly - why don't you give him a break mate, so what? If you don't believe him then just ignore it and don't bother. You don't have to scream at everyone that comes on this site and says something marginally suspicious.

People on this site aren't stupid - they don't need you telling them what might and might not be credible or right.

I for one would love Strootman to come, I prefer him to Yann M'villa and it'd be nice to have a dutch player.

Joe

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07 Jun 2012 20:03:47
Keisuke Honda would be a cheaper option to Modric IMO for anyone who watches him often will know he can do just as gooder job.
Ozwald

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If you watch Japan play the inclusion of Honda, who can only plays a cam and not cm, forces kagawa to be pushed out onto the left. Although Shinji can do a job there he is better in the centre and in our team with our wingers he would be a waste out wide when already young, nani, and toni are better than him as widemen.

Honda also is maybe past his prime, i am not saying he is old but i feel he has achieved all the potential that he will as a player.

Paso

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07 Jun 2012 19:58:50
Does anyone know who will be first choice alongside Badstuder, Mertesacker or Hummels? Perhaps Whistler can help with this one?

Sydney!

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I would think that Mertesacker is the last choice as he is useless. Is Boateng not in the squad?

RedDevil19

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Badstuber and Hummels with Lahm and Boateng FB's.

Or at least they better be haha.

Last minute tweaks Syd?

Jono

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I have gone for Boeteng anyway and swapped Mertesacker for Mexes. Is Mexes a definite starter and is he fit? Perhaps Claude may know ;)

Sydney!

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Mexes may not be starting after consistently bad performance in the warm up games... Koscielny is the man that could be called in...

fearny

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Definite starter and came through Estonia game fine.

Although he is part of a shocking defence though even England might score more than 1 ;-)

Jono

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Thanks lads, I have swapped Mexes anyway, oh the decisions ;)

Sydney!

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I'm really confused how can you put mexes in anyway, the teams suddenly gone from German to french... {Ed007's Note - Fantasy Football mate.....

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I know what you mean Sydney! I have Boateng and Hummels in mine as well as 2 other Germans, 2 Dutch, 2 french, and 3 Spanish - goes who my money is on to make the semis?

Paso

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Bond, are you in the league?

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - I will do it tomorrow GAGUS, I only seen it today and with Ed001 away and Ed002 flying about the place I haven't had time. What are the details mate?}

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07 Jun 2012 19:53:46
anyone interested in a fantasy
football league

go to uefa.com and into mcdonalds
fantasy football

heres the code
Code to join this league: 70825-73140

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Plagiarism :-)

G.A.G.U.S

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07 Jun 2012 19:13:17
liverpools last three manages, english man scotish man and irish man, bit of a joke really.

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Isn't brendan rodjers welsh?

Macca! {Ed007's Note - Yes. He went to school with Placido Domingo and Desmond Tutu.}

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Not unless Antrim is in Wales...

IrishRed

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07 Jun 2012 17:50:18
There seems to be a massive debate on here about the type of central midfielder that we need, a tackler, or a passer. For me, we don't keep the ball nearly well enough and that has been the big problem. If we have the ball then we don't need to win it back nearly as often as we have needed too. The stats show that we already have a good ball winner and good passer in Carrick. He made 90.4% pass completion last season with 94% pass completion against Liverpool. In terms of interceptions he made an average of 3.06 per game, and was second to Jonny Evans in terms of blocks. Excluding defenders he made an average of 2.18 clearances per match also, as the stats show, he is good at playing the ball around and also getting the ball for us/getting us out of trouble.

Luka Modric stats are the interesting ones, success rates of forward passes in the opposition half was 77.91%, not quite Xavi levels, but almost if you look at the stats. Sideways and backwards passes were in the high 90%'s. A midfield pairing of those two would be above 90%, add to that Kagawa and Rooney who keep the ball well and you already have more possesion. Statistically, most of Modric's passes are forwards. He may not have many assists but he is normally the person that plays the ball prior to the one that gets the assist. That would work beautifully here, Carrick sits deep and sprays the balls about, Modric ventures between Carrick and Kagawa, playing neat balls into Kagawa, Nani, Valencia etc who then play it into Rooney.

If we do need someone to be forceful then it would be far more cost effective to put Jones in a midfield 3, even Anderson is very good at the driving runs. Spending £20 million on someone like M'Vila would be completly unnecessary and the stats i'm sure are the reasons why I think SAF will go for Modric/a Modric type player rather than a battler.

RedDevil19

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Maybe SAF wants a more mobile Carrick to make runs into the box more often, agreed Carrick is perfect other than his mobility ie box to box

Pardoe

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Can cleverly be our modric type player?
jred

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He could jred but do we just want one? I'm convinced that Cleverly is 'ready' so to speak, but if he keeps struggling with injury then we are very short - you don't want another season like this one do you?

RedDevil19

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Just out of interest do you know what his stats were when playing city, bilboa, barca last year or any other team that puts sustained pressure on us as a team.
Nathan

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RD19

If you watched Rooney last season he did not retain the ball well. He was a bit sloppy in his passing, his goals were vital but he needs to be sharper this coming season

Red Man

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Against City Carrick attempted and completed more passes than any other United player with 49/53 (93%). But City had far more possesion than us, almost 60% - 40%. Bearing the possesion stats in mind the stats for Barry 58/65 (89%)and Toure 60/69 or 87% attempted and completed more. His stats were comparatively better i think.

Over the season Carrick has probably the best past stats (90.1% completion), when you compare him Yaya Toure – 90.5%. Scott Parker – 89.5%. Luka Modric – 87.4%. David Silva – 87.1%. Juan Mata – 87%. Frank Lampard – 86.9%. Gareth Barry – 86.4%. Ramires – 85.1%. Raul Meireles – 84.5%. Jordan Henderson 83.9%. Steven Gerrard – 83.1%. Marouane Fellaini – 79.7%. Thats pretty impressive.

He also has better pass completion in the final third than the likes of Lampard, and in terms of interceptions and tackles, Carrick was pipped to the post by Parker and no other player, not even Yaya etc.

RedDevil19

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Carrick only ever pass it two foot in front or behind sideways {Ed004's Note - Yep, you keep telling yourself that mate....}

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Carrick has always been under rated by a huge margin

Pardoe

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Pretty good stats then just proves that the formation we played with two in the middle let us down i do think that cleverly could do the job that modric would do if bought. i would say that at times carricks passing tempo and movement could be quicker imo.
Nathan

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Cabaye can't be far off those stats as well RD19. He would be cheaper than Mods also younger and made the most tackles in the prem last year. I really like the look of him as a player and have watched him constantly this year and for France since they got together. He plays CM pushing up into the supporting Kagawa role just as well and imo he would be just as good an acquisition.

If we are to bypass the ball winning specialist and go for ball retention instead Cabaye would be a top choice imo and signing him along with Strootman/WS/Witsel would give us Cabaye, Carrick, Clevs, Scholes, +1 of the above as our CM'ers. Very good ball retention there with all partnerships.

We would also have Fletch possibly and Petrucci as the youngster option.

Jono

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It could be quicker for sure, but as you can all see, he is second to no one in this League. And if you're good enough in this League then i firmly believe that you are good enough for Europe. I wonder why Hodgson hasn't looked at these stats, they aren't hide to find. And to the unnamed poster who basically said Carrick passes only side ways, youre a clown.

RedDevil19

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Who do people think was the best midfielder in the league this season.
i think i would have to go for yaya
jred

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Jred

I would say Cabaye for the whole season.

Silva for the first 6 months.

Scholes for the second.

Jono

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Jordan Henderson......Just sayin'.

TK-Red

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RD19 your speaking my language with this post! Possession is key in modern football IMO, if we can dominate possession in most games and release the likes of Rooney, Kagawa, Nani, Valencia it should be a winning formula. We found it a bit too difficult at times bossing the possession this season (Modric) but we also found it hard finding the cutting edge at times (Kagawa). Onwards and upwards!

Gav

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Gav
we can keep possession while playing a beast enforcer in cenral midfield. Just sayin ...
Mick

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Mick - I agree! I want both! :)

In an ideal world we would buy both Martinez & Modric to sit together behind Kagawa. Almost just as good would be M'Villa & Modric...there are plenty of other options too. If money is a bit tighter though I must be honest I could live with getting a Martinez/M'Villa and playing Carrick/Clev/Scholes alongside for 1 season

Gav

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07 Jun 2012 17:48:23
really hope modric does'nt come, so overated surely theres someone better, its going to be a mediocre season if he signs.

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What is so bad about modric? Surely there's a reason why Chelsea wanted him so much last year and why we've been linked with him for many years?

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Modric is class and has been since he came to Spurs, posts like this are starting to annoy me, just glad so many disagreed. He is miles better than anything we have in his position!

GDS

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Just because you watched MOTD a few times and didn't see him score a hatrick or do 10 step overs followed by a bikey doesn't mean he's not very good, sorry to break the news. He is one of the best at conrtolling possession and dictating tempo but then you can't really illustrate that in an exciting way in a Youtube clip

Gav

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GDS
i think scholes< at 37, is still better than anyone in the premiership in terms of keeping possession and controling the game.
Mick

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Mick - Scholes does still control possesion etc. as well if not better than anyone in the PL but Modric is a close 2nd or 3rd. And what Modric has over Scholes is more energy, stamina and youth as well as the ability to dribble past a man before making his pass. Scholes is still great but his legs are not those of a young man anymore

Gav

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Mick,

100% agree with you, but I kind of assume Scholes isn't going to play a big role this season, how can he? We need somebody when he is not there, and like Gav said, his energy and stamina could make him better than Scholes for us.

GDS

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07 Jun 2012 17:31:06
I'm delighted to see that Phelan is in the running for the WBA job, i'd love to see someone else come in as Assistant Manager, it would be an important change I feel as Phelan just doesn't seem up to the levels of Carlos Queiroz. Personally I would love to see Quieroz come back to be Assistant for a third spell, maybe tempt him by giving him a chance at taking over after SAF. Other than Phelan i'd like to see either Solskjaer or Gary Neville becoming our assistant as both would turn out to be excellent managers for us i am sure, especially Gary Neville who seems to be someone who loves the attention to detail which is what Phelan is lacking i reckon.

RedDevil19

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They have got Steve Clarke. I think he is a great coach, big steal, hey!

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The Phelan slagging is getting a bit out of hand...lets be honest nobody knows how good or bad a job he does other that the players who he trains and the manager. Just because he is not vocal on the bench (and wears shorts occassionally) doesnt mean he is a sh*t number 2.

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07 Jun 2012 16:44:03
I would love to see this team next seasonn


___________________De Gea____________________
Rafael________Vidic_________Smalling_________Izza
_____________Modric_______Strootman__________
Valencia____________Kagawa____________Muniain
___________________Rooney__________________

I think this would be sensational {Ed004's Note - I would play Nani on the right instead so all players could interchange but it would be phenomenal...}

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Hmmmm i thought that aswell Ed but i was trying to make it at least reachable be it hardly .... I would also love to see Petrucci on our brnch this summer i think he has immense potential and could be an immense impact sub on the right and centrally

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That would be a fantastic side, but i'm not sure that Strootman is all that much better than Carrick. I'd go for Modric, Kagawa and Muniain and a cheap left back for the time being.

RedDevil19

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Strootman is carrick's ability now but he has more pace and energy and he can tackle better and he is still young and can improve immensly

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07 Jun 2012 16:22:46
I'm sorry but anyone who posts a potential squad without Valencia starting, well I cannot take you seriously. I refuse to believe these people watched us play last season. People are too quick to look at other teams players and feel jealous while being blinded to the talent already in our squad. If Valencia had played for another club last season you would be demanding his signature.
SqueakyBum

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We have a squad of 25 players, I think everybody here would have Valencia in that squad and he would be one of the 1st players on the teamsheet.

People are doing a first XI which is a little silly as we never play the same team 2 games running and rarely play the same team in big games, injuries etc are an issue and different tactics.

Most people will put Nani, Kagawa and Young behind Rooney as they can interlink well and play in multiple positions making them difficult to mark. Valencia is a little one dimensional, even if that one dimension is world class.

GDS

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You are correct. How can you overlook the best winger is the epl last season? You wonder if they watch football. Some ppl just want signings for the sake of it. Some want signings to prove that we can splash the cash. I want signings that makes sense.

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No ... we are not putting him in there as you have more than 11 players and with the formation all of us believe will be used versatility plays a big factor of course he will play lots but it doesnt suit 4231 as much

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Agree Valencia is our best option as an out and out winger and is one of the best right wingers in world football in my view. Terrorises defences and therefore is an automatic choice ..... in a formation where we adopt 'fixed wingers' a la 4-4-2.

Valencia's weakness though is he is too much of a 'paint on his shoes' winger, i.e. sticks to playing down the flank only. I make this distinction as I believe United have been at their best when we had the inter-positional play and movement between 3 forwards in Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez. I know thats 4 years back now however that was our greatest attacking line-up in recent years IMO and is therefore what we need to get back to.

The criticism of Valencia, is I believe, more a criticism that he can ONLY be used as a right winger. I am not a Nani fan (too inconistent over a now long period of time) however I appreciate he can better inter-play between positions than Valencia. Young is the best of the 3 first team wingers we have (long time since Shagger Giggs was a winger) as he can play in any of the 3 advanced positions.

Young is not Ronaldo or Tevez for sure though a good player in his own right. He does give us that versatility however, i.e. a fluid front 3, that Valencia does not.

Halesini

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It depends what formation alot of people have been posting a 4-2-3-1 formation. And if that is the sort you are on about they are right to leave him out. The 3 in behind the striker have to be fluid and capable of playing in all 3 positions, Valencia is very much a RW and thats it.

fearny

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GDS

Perhaps thats part of the problem at United we dont have and havent had a first 11 for some time now.
I dont even think Fergie knows his best 11 and that cannot be a good thing I know its a squad game now but when the big games come up we should be able to at least get close to naming our best team and we cant.
Look at Barca probably the best club team ever, none of us support them but we could possibly all pick their best team they have togetherness continuity and an understanding that you just cant get chopping and changing the team every week.

Devil Dust.

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Is valencia really one dimensional , ive seen him play well at RB and well as a Cm at international level. He has a good workrate first touch athletic and rarely gives the ball away. If his game is one dimensional is it because of his limited technical ability or is it because fergy asks him to do a certain tactical job which he sticks to and does?
jred

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Jred

spot on mate. I try to not reply to the 'one dimensional' tag he gets but he gets that for 2 reasons.

1. he is to quick when breaking that on fast attacks the RB won't keep up so has to make use of the space.

2. In using that space when he beats the LB a CB moves to try and cover thus giving the ST and CAM more opportunities for space in the middle. A tactic that works well with his accurate crosses.

He has proved for Equador he can play with the ball as well but I am certain SAF has his tactic's drilled into him as it works so well and we have Nani for other games that require something different.

Jono

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I disagree that he is one dimensional. Yes Nani / Young are more versatile in that they come inside as well. However Nani imo comes inside way too often so you could argue he is a one trick pony. The difference for me is that Nani usually comes in and skies a shot over whereas Valencia goes outside and puts in a superb cross 9 times out of 10. Valencia also has an unbelievable attitude and gives 100%, tracking back to give cover to the full back when needed. This is why most of our goals conceded come from the other side, because although Evra is not the best positionally, he does not have the protection of Valencia. Thus I think Valencia is our best winger all round.
SqueakyBum {Ed004's Note - I am sorry but for half the season Young has been camped in our own half looking out for Evra. He has offered Evra far more protection than what Evra could have wanted or expected...}

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I agree Valencia is out best winger, I absolutely love the guy and think Rooney plays better when he is playing, he loves the out ball to the right wing. I was just explaining to the OP why certain people are leaving him out. He has other dimensions but we know exactly what he is world class at. I have yet to see him in centre midfield so I cannot comment but I imagine he could do a job there if need be.

Devil Dust,

I hadn't really thought of it like that as it is a squad game but you may be correct in that we should know our best team. Unfortunately over the past 3 seasons I cannot remember one time where everybody was actually fully fit and we could pick our perfect 11.

I think comparing us to Barca is always going to make us look a little poor but I do agree knowing the best 11 and having that consistency could be a blessing.

When we won the treble we did not have a steady team though and nobody really complained then!

GDS

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DD

I too have often thought that we don't know our best XI and that that's a bad thing! Up until Christmas I don't think we knew our best midfield for instance. It IS a squad game but it's v important to know your best team so excellent partnerships can be forged on the pitch and we are comfortable in the biggest of games

Of course it will never quite be a 'best XI' precisely with the size of squads (so much rotation) these days but I think we should realistically know all positions apart from the wings, which we could alternate as SAF sees fit. Younger squad players will always be given their opportunity through rotation and because of injuries and IF they perform well enough they might just force themselves into the 'best linep' as Smalling and Wellbeck are doing and Cleverly did at the start of the season

I actually think this played a part in our poor CL form this season. We did have loads of injuries, yet at times still didn't seem to know what was the strongest team we could field

You can bet that when it comes to big games Barca, Real and Bayern almost have a nailed on starting XI

Gav

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....following on from my above post perhaps the fact we struggle to know our best XI is just a side effect of a team in transition. Perhaps we will have a good idea of our best XI come Sep 1st?!

Gav

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I think it was ed004 who put it best a week or so ago with a comment something along these lines:

If nani is struggling to beat his man or provide anything creative then at least we have Valencia in the dugout ready to come on and terrorise an already tired FB.

Paso {Ed004's Note - Yes and I will stand by that.. Football is a squad game. Also Valencia will be needed to play against full backs like Cole, Clichy etc who like to attack and will leave him space on the wings whereas Nani will be good for those that play deep and don't leave as much space to attack so more creativity will be needed to get past them}

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07 Jun 2012 16:05:09
Does anyone think Toni Kroos might be a good addition instead of modric? {Ed004's Note - No because I don't think he is fast enough for the football we are trying to incorporate and I can't see him wanting to leave Bayern...}

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07 Jun 2012 15:44:19
Kwadwo Asamoah dont think gonna me to our squad as fergie is not a big fan of african players only keeping in mind of their yearly african cup of nations!!


Reddy

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I'm glad you added the bit

"only keeping in mind of their yearly african cup of nations!"

was worried where your post was going for a bit :

Gav

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07 Jun 2012 15:26:36
Man United Make £22m Opening Offer for Tottenham Midfielder Luka Modric


Bid is an opening salvo and Fergie will go higher for the Croatia star PLUS Reds won’t pay Everton above £15m for Baines because of his age

Manchester United are ready to test Tottenham’s resolve to keep Luka Modric – with a £22million bid.

The Croatia midfielder has been on Sir Alex Ferguson’s wish-list for some time.
LiamsBiz

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07 Jun 2012 14:46:47
I cant help but think Modric and Carrick will play in centre midfield for us and we will be no better off imo there is no steel in our midfield and you need it in modern football especially the premiership as it frees up the attackers so i would prefer Carrick/Cleverley with Asamoah/M'Villa/Strootman/Moutinho

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Can you tell me how you are going to fit all of them players in the team?

Simmo

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Do you want to get more cocky? clearly the slashes mean either or not all

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07 Jun 2012 14:36:21
Can anyone tell me what makes Asamoah so special? I do briefly remember him playing against Arsenal but if someone could give me his strengths it would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

ussoldier77

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He is good at football

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07 Jun 2012 10:51:15
Ed's,


Not a rumour but more of an a question..

Do any of you have any information on M'Villa's proposed move?

Obviously their are report of our interest and the talks with Arsenal being at a stand still but do any of you actually have anything of note regarding the situation and whether we are indeed looking to make an offer?

Cheers

Monk

P.s Find out today what date the missus will be induced (got twin girls on the way). Gonna be a dad within the next 7 days! Bricking it! lol {Ed007's Note - I don't know anything about the M'Villa bid, sorry. Good luck with the new arrivals Monk, and give your Mrs our best wishes.}

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Wont be too much longer for me either Monk but thank f*ck it isnt twins for us! Hope all goes well - I reckon being Dads is gonna be great craic!

IrishRed {Ed004's Note - Congrats}

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Im gonna be a dad for the first time in 6 weeks too lol

karim {Ed004's Note - Congrats as well...}

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Good luck to you and the Missus (she will be doing all the hard work).

Remember they will the luckiest kids in the world - growing up with a dad who is a UNITED supporter - doesn't come better than that :)

Mike

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Good luck Monk, IrishRed and karim!

MPez

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Good luck lads and all the best for the 4 new Utd fans ;-)

Jono

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Good luck Monk, IrishRed and karim , its obviously something to do with the red lustful kit you wear

Hope it all goes well to you and yours, will be the best thing ever for you

Pardoe

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Pardoe

Maybe their Mrs wore the lustful red shirt and that's why they are in this situation haha

Jono

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Congrats On the new babies guys. Its hard work but great and my little lad gets excited every time he sees the united badge. Fills my heart to see him full of passion for the mighty reds(he is only 18months old). Bookedredmole

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07 Jun 2012 14:13:27
Kwadwo Asamoah has put Manchester United on alert by admitting he could quit Udinese and move to the Premier League this summer.

Asamoah has been on United's radar for some time, while Juventus are also keen.

And the Ghana international, who is expected to be on the move in the coming weeks, admits he is well aware of the speculation surrounding his future.

"Udinese is in my heart, if I stay in Italy or go to England that doesn't change," he wrote on his Twitter page.

"Attention is now on Ghana and I hope to have news next week.

"Can't say a lot except that wherever my future is I want to win things and better myself as a player.

"I will let you know where that is."

Udinese have already confirmed that talks with Juventus have taken place, although it is not thought that a deal is close yet
Sorry for copy and paste.
RED DEVILS

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Kwadwo asamoahs twitter page is fake.

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07 Jun 2012 14:10:23
Man Utd Squad for 2012/2013 Season

1.David De Gea
3.Patrice Evra
4.Phil Jones
5.Rio Ferdinand
6.Jonny Evans
7.Ashley Young
8.Shinji Kagawa
9.Fernando Llorente
10.Wayne Rooney
11.Ryan Giggs
12.Chris Smalling
13.Ji-Sung Park
14.Javier Hernandez
15.Nemanja Vidic
16.Michael Carrick
17.Nani
18.Paul Scholes
19.Danny Welbeck
20.Fabio da Silva
21.Rafael da Silva
22.Leighton Baines
23.Tom Cleverly
24.Darren Fletcher
25.Antonio Valencia
27.Fedrico Macheda
30.Andres Lindegaard
40 Ben Amos

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Llorente would stop Welbeck and Chicha getting play time and slow there development. Welbeck will be one of the best strikers in europe if he gets consistant game time he has all the attributes.

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Interesting that you have kept park, macheda and fabio in your squad.....

i reckon at least 2 of them will be gone / loaned out this summer, meaning we still have 3 spaces to fill

also don't think fletch will make the squad next year, i cant see him coming back to be the player he was 2 seasons ago..not with the condition that he has......

and also you have 40 players in that squad and not one of them is a dominating defensive midfield enforcer which is something fergie will definately be going for especially the fact that pogba is away, stick m'villa into that squad of players and ill be chuffed to pieces :-D

Robbo

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Danny Welbeck will get the N.9 Shirt next season

fearny

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07 Jun 2012 13:50:47
question for all the alba fans have you actually seen him play or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? I'll admit i haven't seen much of him but i wasn't impressed. So whats all the interest?

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Not that many Alba fans then...

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07 Jun 2012 13:32:48
With the lack of transfer funds available to bring in experienced players and losing our youth players (Morrison, Pogba and Norwood) what does the future hold for us to compete with City and Chelsea?

Glazers Out!!

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How shat is that shout we don't know about money for transfers yet ,what happens if we get kagawa,modric and say m'vila does your rather pathetic view change?

Pardoe

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Agree with Glazers Out, can't believe they were ever aloud in. But have some faith in your team, we are united and we aren't going anywhere.

TRJC

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Pogba was the only youth player United wanted.

Sydney!

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Norwood was rubbish? Have you seen him play?

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07 Jun 2012 13:31:15
Probably like most Man Utd fans I was shocked to hear the Kevin Strootman story coming from twitter last night but I have been given knowledge that the deal actually has some legs in it.

It was reported that the deal was going to be in the region of £11million, this was to my knowledge agreed midway through the back end of last season. However since Strootman was picked for Holland and will most likely play an important part for the national team at Euro 2012, PSV are waiting till after the tournament to see if they can increase the price in the sale of their star player.

Fergie prefers Strootman over Yann M'Vila ( the guy I posted about yesterday) because he reminds him of a similar build to Michael Carrick but with more pace. He has a sweet left foot and is something we are missing in the midfield without fletcher, a proper box-to-box player.

fearny

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Yann Mvila....the guy YOU posted about yesterday ? didnt everyone !

Stop trying to let on like you have inside info or actually know more than any of the rest of us cause its obvious you dont.
Other guys have posted on here that even ex players and current under age coaching staff dont even know so why should you ?
How do you know SAF prefers Strootman over Mvila ?

Devil Dust.

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Because he own's a.....

CRYSTAL BALL!

Oooooohhh nifty.

MPez

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Come on devil dust he knows because it must be true it was on twitter.
Twitter is like wikipedia, you can say or make anything up and it will be believed.

while i would be happy with either of the above players though
jenny

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Agree that the initial posters comments are no more 'inside knowledge' than I am a Prem league footballer....but I think M'Vila would be a far better signing than Strootman - a friend in Holland tells me that while he is rated he doesnt think he would be good enough for Utd, havent seen much of him play so it will be interesting to keep a eye on the Dutch in the Euros

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I was only saying about me posting about him yesterday... Bit over the top on your behalf

fearny

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Same as that Jenny would love him to be right and he might well be but only cause he read it somewhere just like the rest of us.

Devil Dust.

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No its not over the top !
What is over the top is guys like you coming on here spouting rubbish about transfers you know nothing about.
Anyone can speculate but you act like you have inside info and we should all hang on your every word.

Devil Dust.

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07 Jun 2012 13:06:50
I was against signing Modric for 35million as the rumour was doing its rounds but for 22million i think it would be a good bit of business.Still think we need a big DM.As for strikers I think we are ok.


QUINNER99

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07 Jun 2012 12:44:25
Seems to be some great football news today. If we can manage to wrap up Modric for anything less than 30 mil, i think that would be a great piece of business. Also, apparently SAF will be keeping tabs on the Munich man Thomas Muller during Euro. He is only 22 and he can play out right, behind the striker, or as a striker. I think he is very talented and versatile, exactly what we need. If we could manage to sign him around the 15 - 22 m mark, that would be brilliant. I also read that Arsenal target Yann M'Villa is stalling on talks with them until after Euros. I think the only reason one does this is to see what kind of offers he may get. Hopefully, Fergie will be able to challenge Wegner for his signature and highjack his No. 1 summer target.

Kagawa 12
Modric 25
Muller 20
M'Villa 20

I think the squad would look like this (accommodating all the new signings)

-----------De Gea----------
-Rafa-Smalls--Vidic-Evra-
------Modric-M'Villa-------
-Muller---Kagawa---Nani-
-----------Rooney----------

Do I think this will happen, no. But, that would be a brilliant summer IMO.

Sparty On

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Again no Valencia? mr consistent. no?


ms85

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Dont think mvilla probably asamoah

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MS85, as i said in the post, that XI would accommodate all of the new signings, it wouldn't be my week in and week out line-up. I for one, love Tony Valencia. He would be in my starting XI 9 of 10 times.

----------De Gea----------
-Rafa-Smalls-Vidic-Evra-
-----Modric--Carrick-----
-Tony---Kagawa---Nani-
---------Rooney-----------

this would be my starting XI. I think that both Carrick and Tony earned first team spots from their standout performances last year IMO. Hard work, dedication, and loyalty should be rewarded. I'm not saying the rest of our squad doesn't have those characteristics, but I think that Valencia and Carrick were last years top performers. Evans, even though I don't really trust him, earned a shout there too for (most) of his performances last year.

Sparty On

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Sparty;

fair play m8

ms85

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I like the look of this team but and rationale behind it for Valencia and Carrick's inclusion. Young is better than Nani though in albeit comparing his 1 season v Nani's 5.

My issue though is Raphael. Just dont see how he gets onto the teamsheet every week.

Halesini

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07 Jun 2012 12:42:32
De Gea

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Alba

Young
Modric
Valencia

Kagawa

Van Persie
Rooney

Would be a cracking side?

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No.

Modric in the middle alone. Brilliant.

We'd get ran over in the middle by most teams, especially by City with Yaya.

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07 Jun 2012 12:27:08
For me , its more important to sign a player like m'villa more than modric, if we got both then happy days.Cleverly and m'villa would be a great young partnership in the centre. kagawa playing between the middle and rooney, our 3 wingers are quality but if we could get a left footed winger such as rodriguez on the left with nani or valencia on the right then i believe the spark would come back to our play and we would have that fear factor back which seems to have been missed since ronaldo left
So im hoping for m'villa, rodriguez,powel, clyne and willems...added to kagawa...Do the eds and syndney reckon this is realistic transfer window ?? {Ed004's Note - Yes I do...But I am not sure how likely it is...}

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Do you think its unlikely due to money ? if we sold young or nani,berbatov,anderson would we have the funds to sign the players i mentioned.
ps oops for spelling sydney wrong

karim

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07 Jun 2012 12:13:22
Just a thought , but if steve clarke doesnt take the wba job, then wouldnt he be a good idea as our number 2 ?? Obvioulsy he has the chelsea and liverpool coonection, but he did a great job at chelsea, crap players at liverpool to work with so forgive him that one...Just think he would work well with fergie

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07 Jun 2012 11:28:48
Wow modric for 22 mill, that would be great business!
I don't understand what some people's problem is with him. I think he is a class player. He would boss the passing in our midfield and can you imagine him and scholesy together, you wouldn't get the ball off them. Also modric will improve if he comes to us. He will learn off Scholsey and become that link from defence to attack we have been missing. He may not of got alot of goals and assists but the likes of bale, Lennon and van der vart need to get the ball somehow to score and assist and it is normally modric who gives it to them.
Would be interesting to know people's thoughts....

REDP

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Totally agree with you, i have a bit of a problem with him being 27 by the time he plays for us. But if we do get him for 22 then it's still a good deal.

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If we sign modric we will need a DM.......

a mid field of Modric, Kagawa and one other (I would say carrick at the mo) would be too light weight.....

Martinez would be my first choice but he does not seem to want to leave spain, so M'Vila would be perfect.......

Oxred

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No way Levi will let him go for 22M, he'll try and bleed as much out of us as possible. Saying that i wouldn't have minded him negotiating Ronaldo and Beckham's release, we would have been quids in!
Dishforth Red

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If we signed Messi, someone would find a problem with it.

Percy

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Iniesta Xavi and Busquets is lightweight yet they have 60% of possesion in every game

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07 Jun 2012 11:17:08
Who the hell would sign bains, come on ferguson , what's going on !!!

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Is that a question if so i think i know the answer.. Unmmm.. Everton?

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

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07 Jun 2012 10:36:47
Have any of the Ed's seen much of Sebastian Giovinco i think he is a very good player and can ply outwide or central very technical and quick {Ed004's Note - Haven't seen enough of him to pass judgement...}

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Good player and I am sure he is still part owned by Juve and only on loan this year, may be wrong though.

He is also good at free kicks aswell but maybe just short of our standard at the minute and has a bit of an attitude issue.

Good player.

Jono

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07 Jun 2012 10:27:26
I'd only let Nani go if we were bringing in someone with potential to be one of the best wingers in the world. For me it would.have to be either James Rodriguez or Iker Muniain if we can't get either of them then we best keep Nani imo.

Shappy


@Shappy - I couldnt agree more but i see Muniain becoming a number 10 role type player as he likes to roam so for me James Rodriguez is one of if not the best left wing prospects in world football he is pure class and built as a winger he is direct and can play centrally but my worry we sign him and then we are too predictable having Valencia who is very similar on the other side..

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We would if both played at the same time but we'd also have Young and Kagawa who could play wide as well so we could end up seeing either Valencia or Rodriguez on one wing with Young or Kagawa on the other. That way we'd have plenty of ability and variation.

Shappy

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Or we just buy muniain, keep nani and play:

Nani ___ Kagawa ___ Muniain

_______ Rooney

Oxred {Ed004's Note - That would be an unbelievable attack. However I think getting a midfield of Modric and M'Villa should be priority...}

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All right then ed..... them with M'vila & Modric in behind, but you are asking for a lot lol..........

s**t that would be good........

Oxred {Ed004's Note - Would be one hell of a team. So much creativity and everyone can pass the ball around...}

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07 Jun 2012 10:23:25
Bids for Asamoah and Modric would be lovely, with the Mirror reporting £22m for Modric being prepared. Obviously we can't pass confidence on tabloid speculation, but its supposed an offer from Utd of £27.5m would seal an excellent deal.
In essence Asamoah or Strootman would be an excellent addition, with reasonable valuations of £14m and £19m being slapped on them. A mediocre price as this is exactly what we need...an enforcer we haven't had since Roy Keane. (Martinez will not leave Spain he is through and through Espana)
Further to this your man Powell is a prospect for £5m; and i think the hijacking of Barcelona's £9.8m bid for Alba would suffice as a perfect transfer window.

We do NOT need any strikers!

Dee {Ed004's Note - If we got Modric, Strootman and Alba it would be a brilliant summer...}

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I doubt we will get Alba. Guillem Balague said last week that personal terms have been agreed with Barcelona and it's just up to them and Valencia agreeing a fee.

You never know though!
Rudderpost

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Ed004 has got it spot on a brilliant summer if that happened but i would prefer M'Villa to Strootman and i would like to see Cissokho if Alba is out of reach as he is physically brilliant strength pace and technically good aswell {Ed004's Note - Would prefer M'Villa as well but would prefer Izaguirre for left back...}

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07 Jun 2012 10:03:41
Federico Macheda to Benfica?

Manchester United have agreed a deal to sign the Benfica midfielder Nicolás Gaitán with both Fabio da Silva and Federico Macheda moving to the Portuguese club as part of the terms.

The details of the deal are likely to see Fabio going only on a season’s long loan while Macheda’s transfer could be a permanent one, with Manchester United then reducing some of the costs of acquiring the highly-rated Gaitán.
LiamsBiz

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Isnt this about 2 months old?

phil

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I would like to see this happen but isn't this an old story that was put out in april from the telegraph. I think you should check the dates on these stories before you get excited.

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Isn't this story a month old?

Sydney!

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07 Jun 2012 09:49:32
I kno alot of people don't want modric as he's over priced at £32m and I agree however the mirror has it that we are set to offer 22m not saying this offer will be accepted but surely this is not a bad price for a proven pl player.personally I am not fussed if we get modric or not but at least we are trying to sign a big(ish) name (over rated or not) and not the old chestnut of no value in the Market

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Totally agree, not his biggest fan (doesn't score enough) but he still would be a good signing, is a proven player and along with kagawa completely changes the look of our team. Also shows our intent to compete!

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He is not there to score goals. He would add some much needed class to our centre midfield, for anything less than 25 million he would be an amazing signing!

GDS

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You have to start the bidding low and work your way up. United already have the edge as Modric wants to leave and he has already given them the one more year they asked him for. It's all about Spurs getting the best possible deal now and if he says to Spurs I want to leave and Manchester United is the only place I want to go, then Spurs cannot ask for a king's ransom. Hopefully a deal can be concluded but we will have to wait and see.

Sydney!

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Its also been reported that modric and spurs will make no decision untill after the euros in the hope of getting the best deal, its always a chance tho if he gets injured he wont get any move
jred

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Why would Spurs get more cash after the Euros? He isn't a teenager looking to excel, he is 26 and we all know what Modric can do. As do all of the scouts.

Sydney!

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Just what was reported a couple of days ago I think it was based more on getting more teams interested and then in turn getting his wages price up said modric hadn't ruled out Spain
Jred

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Jred, I know mate, I think it was a bad piece of journalism personally. The Euros will not make a blind bit of difference to Mods valuation. I doubt a team would become interested after the Euros if they were not before. It's not like Modric isn't already a well known player. Even a poor Euros wouldn't make him cheaper.

I think Spurs will be difficult to deal with mind.

Sydney!

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I'm not sure syd , a lot of players have been bought on the back of a good euros or world cup.
If he was to have a great euros I'm sure it would raise his profile
Jred

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It would make the already interested teams more interested in signing him, but I am not sure he will attract new interest, people already know he is available at the right price and they know what he can do. Do you think he will have a good Euros mate? Does he have enough talent around him to shine?

Sydney!

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When I've seen him ,he plays a more advanced role a lot more involved in the last third than he is at spurs, so I think he has a good chance of standing out there's not many of that type of player available
I'm not sure spurs get the best out of him as he plays quite deep at times due to VDV
Jred

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I'm with jred on this one tbh although he may already be available if Modric plays a stormer and even one of the big money swingers become more interested we could lose out and that would be a shame

Gav

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07 jun 2012 09:11:48
lets just compare the midfield of few top teams

manutd:valencia,young,nani,scholes,carrick,cleverly,anderson,kagawa,fletcher,giggs,park

chelsea:mata,hazard,hulk,marin,essien,ramires,lampard,romeu,mikel,miereles.

mancity:yaya toure,nasri,silva,barry,de jong,johnson,milner,pizzaro,hargreaves

tottenham:bale,sandro,modric,huddlestone,parker,lennon,vdv,livermore,kranjkar

didnt listed any of the liverpool players coz i dnt think they are anywhere near top 4. even arsenal are nothing without rvp.

just want to say that our defnsive midfield is very very poor


redcore!!

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Chelsea do not have a decent defensive midfielder anymore. Spurs have Sandro and Parker who will probably be next season's partnership. City have Yaya, Barry and probably Martinez. You are right we do not someone more than Carrick on the defensive side. Strootman/M'Vila would add some steel to the midfield.

Sydney!

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Agree apart from Carrick

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I would agree we need a combative midfielder but not a defensive midfielder. More of a box to box player would be ideal like M'Vila. Also Sydney! I would probably say that Mikel at Chelsea is turning into a very good defensive midfielder.

RedMax

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RedMax... M'Vila is not a box to box player. He is very much a defencive minded player. However Strootman is a terrific box-to-box player,his size and physique remind me of a better Carrick but he has also got Pace which is now vital in the Premier League.

Strootman {Ed004's Note - M'Villa can play box-to-box he does so for Rennes. However, at France he is trust with a more defensive role}

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RedMax, I beg to differ regarding Mikel.

Sydney!

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I think its a bit arrogant to leave out Arsenal's midfielders for comparison. I beg to differ about them relying on RVP. It just so happens that he is our target man and is the focus of our play upfront. To the objective RVP wouldn't have scored for funny where it not for balls supplied from midfield and wingers. We at Arsenal appreciate the contribution of the whole team to Robin's honours this past season. The same midfielders outplayed City, Chelsea and Tottenham (remember the 5-2) win.

Gunner in the City of Manchester

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07 Jun 2012 07:30:27
Ed! How do u rate Aleksandar Kolarov as LB?

I think he is brilliant from set pieces good in defense and a squad player for city and would not cost as much as Baines.

Out of Baines and him whom do u consider better?

and who would be ur choice among LB available for transfer.

Victor J. {Ed004's Note - I wouldn't want either and we would have no chance of singing Kolarov}

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So you want us to sign a City squad player? I think Kolarov is the worst player at City and they would never sell to us!

GDS

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GDS

Squad Player at some other club doesnot always mean player is not good.


Even Nasri sits on bench and same is the case with sahin,

Kevin-Prince Boateng who was pretty average at potsmouth and tottenham has been good at Milan

Victor J.

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Forgot to add Pique at OT.

Victor J.

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Shocking player!

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07 Jun 2012 04:03:25
would love to see the lineup
GK de gea
RB rafael,CBs 2 of evans, jones, smalling, vidic and ferdinand and evra(still good enough, just a bad season)
RW nani/young/valencia, DM m'vila, AM kagawa LW nani/young
ST rooney, welbeck

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Evra has had 2 bad seasons now

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07 Jun 2012 01:31:00
It's fact fergie will sign a striker look at it this way,

Fergie loves having 4 strikers which is right swap and change when needed.

Berbatov and owen leaving and with no real reserve striker that can make an impact I think it's safe to say will be buying a striker.

My ideal striker would be Higuen

There's also
Adebayor - premiership proven and at 12 million would be worth the money, and city need to reduce that wage bill or face losing there champions LEAUGE spot. (due to fair play rules in 2013-2014.

RVP - for 25 million NO THANKS 29 and injury prone only had one good season, unless they would take 15-18 million forget it.

Defoe - many will say NO but for back up he's well worth it, born goal scorer and knows how to find the net. Also premiership proven.

Drogba - out of contract but loyalties to Chelsea will proberly turn his head abroad shame he's still got a presence and would do the job.

And there's a few foreign players, but just who ild go for.

MUFC1990

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First off Sir Alex said that over ten years ago, when we were playing two upfront in every game.
Secondly I think the plan is to play one up front next season, if so do we need 4 players for one position.

The only way I can see any type of striker come in is if they are either very young an will play most of their games in the reserves next season or if we sign a versitile striker who can play wide left or upfront, some one like Yarmolenko or Griezmann who play a wingers more often than strikers.

Shappy

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I can promise you...He will not be purchasing a striker. His main targets are Strootman/M'Vila/Modric/Baines...

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Saf liked having 4 strikers when we played 2 up top but I think this season there will be a formation change with us playing 1 up top so I don't think we will be buying another st

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I would take Van Persie over any of them players - on form and injury free he is the best striker around - a onder of a left foot :) RVP and Rooney up front - drooling scenrio lol

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We are looking at another striker/attacker, Powell.
If we play with one up top with a deeper playmaker then up top we have Rooney, welbeck, and Hernandez. And for the deeper roll we have kagawa, young, Rooney, and even some promising youth players that could fill in. 
Powell may go on loan but if we get any injuries we will call him back as cover. I don't see us spending alot of money on a striker. Will will bring in young prospects and use what we have. Midfield is the position tht need sorting first.

REDP

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I don't see the point of buying another striker. We'll be playing 1 up top a lot next season, and have 3 very good strikers already, with Young able to play up top too, if required. We don't want to do anything that gets in the way of Welbeck and Hernandez's development (or Will Keane's, for that matter).

I wouldn't go near Defoe with a barge pole. He doesn't offer enough to get in Spurs' side - why would he even threaten our team?

None of the other players you mention are better than Rooney, but would all want similar or higher wages - probably just to warm the bench, so there'd be little point buying them.

My opinion is that Welbeck could (could, mind) end up being "the man" and we shouldn't do anything in the next 2 - 3 years that might jeapordise that.

DarkLard08

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Its more likely that Macheda or King will be the 4th choice striker. Kagawa is going to get games, we won't be playing with two strikers as much now. Welbeck I imagine will be played on the left quite a bit and he, kagawa and rooney may all swap.

RedDevil19

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He may well look at a striker but it won't be a big name. Imagine Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez and say Higuain. Welbeck and Hernandez will rarely play.

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Ferguson does like 4 strikers, but if we are moving from 2 up front to 1 up front as many speculate, 4 strikers isnt needed as much is it. I wouldnt mind another striker but there are certainly other areas need strengthening far more and I would expect/hope all th emoney is spent in quality players in these positions
Invisible STuey

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It's fact? Are you sure it is fact?

Also its I'd, not ild.

We have Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa, Young and Nani who can play up top in the correct formation, I do not think we need a striker at all. We need a midfielder as a matter of FACT and I am sure that is what Fergie will be looking for.

GDS

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R19, neither King or Kiko will be at the club next season. Both will be sold, loaned out or loaned out with a view to be sold. We will buy a striker or two at youth level.

Not sure we will be looking to buy one at senior level unless we can get Lewandowski for under £15m (which is a steal). The problem is where to fit him in. Unless we will play 4-4-2 for the EPL and cups and 4-2-3-1 for Europe?

Sydney!

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We only played one up front last year because Hernandez was injured most of the season, welbeck just didn't perform and berbatov wasn't liked.

Regardless of playing 1 up front fergie changes formatiOn weekly so another striker is a cert.

MUFC1990

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MUFC1990, you may not have been watching properly. We played 2 up front most of the season. Welbeck and Rooney actually looked to be forging a good partnership. And, considering his age, Welbeck showed a great deal of promise. Hernandez was injured a fair bit though, I'll give you that.

DarkLard08

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07 Jun 2012 00:25:55
Wat do people think about Gonzalo higuin, Dusnt always start at real and can bang goals in for fun.

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Class ild have him all day

MUFC1990

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He would cost an absolute fortune for someone that is just going to sit on the bench... whats the point?

fearny

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There's better value options out there. He'll want massive wages if he leaves Madrid. I can't see them letting him go, anyway.

DarkLard08

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07 Jun 2012 00:01:59
A lot of changes need to be made this season but I don't think modric is the answer. I'm confident that kagawa can do a better job than modric ever would at utd and is guna cost us a lot less money. I also think that nani should go as he is far to inconsistent and gives the ball away half ov the time he gets it. He should be replaced by gareth bale or Nicolas gaitan. Gaitan wud probably be the easiest to sign and again wudnt cost as much as modric. Also heard a rumour that PSG are thinking about putting an offer in for Rooney, does anyone know if this is true and if so how much they are thinking bout offering?

United till I die!!

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Do you know anything about football?

Percy

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Gaitan would probably be a step down from Nani, the grass is not always greener

Modric and Kagawa play different positions so I don't see it as an 'either or' situation

Gav

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I'd only let Nani go if we were bringing in someone with potential to be one of the best wingers in the world. For me it would.have to be either James Rodriguez or Iker Muniain if we can't get either of them then we best keep Nani imo.

Shappy

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Why do a lot of changes need to be made this season.. 89 points we've won the league so many times with less points then that. We need to improve on our technical ability in Europe but the likes of Kagawa and modric would definately help our case as they are both gifted short passers with great technique

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