Manchester United Banter Archive March 07 2012

07 Mar 2012 21:13:05
Messi - WOW!

DB-Red

07 Mar 2012 19:19:41
I think this has probably been said before, but if you look at the summer, a 'complete' summer in SAF's eyes i think would have been:

Ashley Young
David De Gea
Phil Jones
Raphael Varane
Samir Nasri

This lot would of cost us around £80 million - that just shows that we have money to spend i think. That also implies that we will have money to spend in the summer. I think we are waiting for an Attacking Midfielder and a Center Back.

We will have around £50,000,000 to spend in the summer. The men to go for are Eden Hazard and Mehdi Benatia.

We are crying out for someone like Hazard's quality in that firstly, we need a good left footed player and an attacking/creative/goalscoring midfielder. Hazard is all of those. He will be available in the summer, even Lille have said that. His agent was also quoted as saying he see's Manchester United as a good challenge for him.

Secondly, Benatia is also a type of player that Manchester United need. He would be loyal to the club, he wants to play for us and had van Persie in his back pocket when he played against Arsenal.

For me, that would be a great summer.

EJ

07 Mar 2012 17:42:17
I'd be disappointed if Pogba left but like many have said on here, if he wants to leave then let him leave! If it's for game time, again people have stated the Juventus Midfield so good luck to the lad becoming a regular there! Morrison's move to West Ham is working out for him!

Someone else said they are worried about our midfield and saying we are week there and we've lost another CM and although the days of Keane and Scholes partnership is gone, how well did Cleverley and Anderson compliment each other at the start of the season? Both still young as well. Now people will say Anderson is not up to it but sometimes players just click with someone and they are great, Lampard and Gerrard prove that two great players don't always compliment each other!

Then I look at the other kids who are going about their business quietly and working hard who are only a year or two behind Pogba or who have come through with him, Tunncliffe, Pettruci, Norwood to name a few, I actually think our midfield is looking strong for the future and maybe with the addition of Martinez, well, Pogba could well be kicking himself in a years time!

Ports

07 Mar 2012 16:49:14
higuain ageant and dad
"It's a bit early now, but my son and I will be ready to open talks with Juventus in May," the 24-year-old's father said to Tuttosport.

"The Bianconeri are one of the most prestigious clubs in the world, and any player would love to play for them."

ignore the juventus angle but it looks like higuain could be available in the summer , prob wishful thinking but would be a great signing
jred

07 Mar 2012 16:00:44
In relation to Shappy's mamoth post earlier, here is my response which i hope you comment on Shappy!

I agree with the majority of things that you said, its definatly the case that only two or three players are really what we need. I also agree with your formation and the way that we need to play.

I have said for a while that i'd like to see Rooney stick up top more and be a world class striker like he was when he banged in 30+ goals for us a couple of years back. Some may worry that Hernandez and Welbeck wouldn't get enough games, but i think they would, especially since Welbeck can play wide left.

My biggest problem with your post is that you wanted both Kagawa and Gaitan in, with Nani leaving. Now, for me, Nani may be frustrating but he is always in the top 5 in the League for assits and tends to pop up when we need a game winner. He is also Manchester United through and through, SAF recognises this, this is the type of loyal player that we need.

In terms of a left footed player, then i'd go for Gaitan, i think he is every bit as versatile as Kagawa and has a more cultured lef foot. He also has a good injury recored and has said he is flattered at our alleged interest. He gives us 3 real main options:

1) Play him beind Rooney along Rooney to stay up top.

2) Play wide left and keep the ball for us with Valencia on the right.

3) Play in central midfield alongside someone who sits.

All three of these would be of good value to us. He'd certainly get his share of games and would prove to be a quality signing.

You must bear in mind that the likes of Young and Nani are of use to us as generally we have more possession than the opposicion anyway and they do both posses a goal threat. They do have their uses, maybe one day they will both bottle their good form and it will stick for a bit.

I can now see the Martinez rumours intensifying, especially since Pogba is soon to be out the door and he has opened the door to a EPL move. I'm not saying we will get him, its most likely a pipe dream. But he is my number one choice. If not him, then Granit Xhaka would be a very good option for the reasons you stated.

The question is though, would it not be sensible to try to do a double deal with Benfica for Garcia and Gaitan as i think those two epitomise most what we need.

UnitedForever

07 Mar 2012 15:18:37
Hopefully we do what barca did with cesc and let juve turn him into a world class player the buy him back, I loved watching Pogba play such a shame.

Anon

07 Mar 2012 14:33:48
I don't think SAFs tactics to get players to sign new contracts work in this day and age. If I was Pogba and was being forced to train on my own with no football, the last thing I would do is sign a contract with the club! Why doesn't SAF show him what he would be missing out on by playing him in some games, surely that would be the way to go about things. If your boss isolated you from your colleagues and I job you love until you agreed a new salary, would you want to stay?

#ags 19

07 Mar 2012 13:35:03
I always find it predictable when people respond to players that leave the club. Where once they were great players, fantastic prospects and the future of the club. The become washed up, overrated and the classic "not united class." But the one that sticks out is that players are greedy if they chose to leave United but not if they chose to join us for similar reasons. Pogba is the case in point. A player that we were accused of unsettling and tapping up with incentives decides to leave the club, and suddenly he's the scum of the earth, an person and a pawn in his greedy agent's game.

But United are above things like that, they don't try to unsettle players and tempt them by offering them and their agents more money. United are an honest, decent club, a moral beacon to us all. This of course is the same United that have become one of the most profitable clubs in the world, who have systematically and rapidly increased the costs of supporting the club in terms of ticket prices, merchandise etc.

So we have the two faces of United. The strong moral United who don't give into greedy bullies, and the United who are undoubtedly greedy corporate bullies in their own right.

This isn't about Pogba or his agent. It isn't an isolated case. It's about a club that claims they can't buy world class players because they're too expensive. And that they can't keep their most promising youth players because they're too greedy. The main argument is that you can't pay people like Pogba more because everyone will want more money. The reality is that refusing to pay Pogba more doesn't solve this problem. It simply shows young players that they can still get higher wages elsewhere. As one of the three most profitable clubs in the world, we should be able to offer competitive wages. We can't for one reason. Our owners saddled us with debt and will not sell until they've cleared that debt. The realisation here is that the owners want to do things on the cheap so they can buy the club with the clubs own profits. There's no moral high ground here, just an acknowledgement that one of the most profitable clubs in the world cannot compete with less profitable clubs because of their owner's greed.

Danny Pughnited

07 Mar 2012 12:41:54
So given our training squad today what team would everyone put out tomorrow?

Mine would have to be.___________ De Gea


Rafael _ Ferdinand _ Evans _ Fabio


____________ Carrick


______ Anderson ___ Cleverley


__ Nani _____ Rooney _____ YoungSubs: Amos, Evra, Jones, Giggs, Park, Hernandez, Welbeck.

Oxred

07 Mar 2012 11:22:09
Come on everybody...

Take a deep breath.... Hold for ten seconds.....

Breathe out slowly..

Now don't we all feel a little less angsty! : - )


Pogba leaving is no doubt a blow but such if life.

We have high expectations from our youth players and patience is the key.

Pique left because he wasn't getting playing time (due to us having an unbreakable defensive partnership at the time) and now Pogba is to leave due to lack of playing time as we are currently fighting to keep thetitle of being the best team in manchester so cannot and will not take risks on the youth as such a "squeaky bum" time of the year.

Had we not gone out to palace then he may have had a few more first team games but such is life we got knocked out.

Players come and go but those that will fight for the team and their place in it only make us stronger.

How many times have we won the league due to sheer grit and determination in the most difficult of times? Experience and the patience taught from biding your time and just keep going. Your time will come but only if you keep going and not give up for an easy ride.

If Pogba had signed back with us he will have no doubtedly been loaned out for the experience and then givien his chance in the squad.

Fergie rewards those who prove themselves not those who demand and expect to play just because their agent and the media tout them as the next big thing (being touted as and actually being are 2 different things)

Monk

07 Mar 2012 10:21:05
Pogba's agent is reported to be receiving 1.7m for his role in his proposed transfer to Juve. This is probably the most influential reason why he will move, rather than playing time or his salary.
It is not in his agent's financial interests for him to stay.

07 Mar 2012 09:10:01
Looks like we have lost our best young player and for what seems like legitimate footballing reasons at this time,playing the likes of gibson,park and at times a rafael who had previously been out for some time ahead of him in midfield you can maybe understand it,i for one believe he will get playing time at juve weather thats sub time or whatever and he will become a massive player,we really have lost out.
Ste73

07 Mar 2012 04:16:12
I notice Red Man is at it again making his usual statements about players basing them on his personal dislike for the way they play, it was Berba before and this time its Nani the target. What has he done to deserve a new contract? The huge amounts of assists he has got in the last couple of years and the number of important goals he has scored would be a good place to start with! He is one of the best wingers in the league, inconsistent , yes, but certainly way more dynamic and consistent than Gareth freaking Bale.

"being hailed as good as Ronaldo" Nobody has done that!

"frankly been poor in most games" Yet manages to pop up with crucial assists even when he isn't playing well!

So we are ready to give Nani an improved contract, which proves one thing, the money is there and SAF decides how to use it! The Pogba situation is getting blown way out of proportions. He has been offered the best contract any academy player turning into first team player has ever been offered at Manchester United, if that isn't enough for him, and he is signing a "supposed" lesser contract at Juventus, you might want to take a look at the payments being made to his agent and his signing on fee and bonus.

IF its about gametime "Why play Scholes and not Pogba?" Simple, we want to win the title, and scholes has more than justified him being preferred over Pogba by SAF. We are just two points behind city and its experience rather than untested youth that should be trusted, and has delivered.

Pogba has been agitating long before Scholes' return, you might want to notice that. He would be playing if he was committed to the club.

"Our youth policy is now a mess" ? Really?
Cleverley, Wellbeck, Evans, the twins are laughing hard at that statement. Letting a problem child go to a championship team for not being able to sort his attitude out and focus on training, and a youth player agitating in the midst of one of the most closely fought title races where there is no room for experiments, doesn't mean the youth system is a mess. The youth policy is way better than what it was in the last decade.

De Gea says that being dropped probably helped him refocus and work harder. Another example of SAF's man management skills IMO, he certainly knows better than anybody else when to play and when to drop someone.

REDFAITH

07 Mar 2012 01:25:19
Whoever suggested watching "Warrior" yesterday - watched it tonight. Brilliant film! And to think I ignored it in favour of another film the previous evening, what was I thinking...

Joe