Manchester United Banter Archive November 09 2012

09 Nov 2012 21:59:46
Just want to wish my son all the very best in his P7 Transfer test tomorrow.

'Utd related how'? I hear you all cry.

Well, if he gets to the local grammar school, he'll be playing rugby instead of football, and this could signal the death knell for his dreams of playing left back/wing for United!

I'm torn!

StevieK {Ed007's Note - Good luck to him Stevie.}

Cheers Ed, appreciate that mate.

StevieK

Make a bet that he plays for United one day, it worked for Ryan's dad! ; )

P.S Good luck!

-JakeW

Hey Stevie, All the best mate! Hope the young one gets through.

And if Stevie Jr manages to wear the famous shirt someday, i will tell my children(by then) and my pets.. You see that pacey youngster, well i know his dad. :)

Heartening to see you live the dream mate.

Deeps...

10 Nov 2012 06:31:17
Wish ur son success, mate. He would one day become the best left back for man utd:-).

Stanod

09 Nov 2012 18:20:10
With regards to the anthem debate, United have by far got one of the longest list of chants in any country, let alone Britain. I always thought the chant that is sung the loudest and with the most passion was 'UNI-TED United are the team for me'. That one is probably the one that is sung the most. For an anthem, This is the one was always good.

G.A.G.U.S

Does it really matter if we have an anthem or not?

I mean "You'll Never walk Alone" is one of the most sung songs around the world, loads of clubs sing it. And yeah its great when they do sing it but then the after that the atmospehere goes flat. Apart from Celtic which is usually good atmosphere, but i wouldn't say it was Celtics anthem, more like "Fields of Athenry is Celtics anthem.

We have our chants and we have plenty of them relating to current and former players and our history. We coped for decades without an anthem so why start now?

United's anthem song is and should be The "Red flag" which everyone knows the chorus but not all the verses, but it's only the chorus that gets sung at O.T.
flyhalf Mitch

Fields of athenry is an irish country song. Every club steals other songs and changes the words.
Jay-c

09 Nov 2012 15:31:40
Someone's mentioned the atmosphere at OT and we need an anthem before the game........

When Sir Alex leaves it would only be right to sing about him.

The Killers: All these things that I've done.

United fans sing: All these trophies Fergie won.

With all the words changed to decorate our club.

When it comes to "I got soul, but I'm not a soldier"

United fans sing: "We got Ole, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer"

That would be tops if he took over as the boss.

Original song only United could sing.

About the old boss & possible the new.

If u wanna knock some amusing lyrics to this song be my guest.

TJ
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Saw you're post when rehearsing with my band, made me laugh and we came up with this…

With all these trophies fergie won,
You would think that we'd be done,
That we'd be done,
But as we win for fun,
But as we win for fun,
There'll always be another one,

I wanna double, I wanna treble,
You know, you know, oh you know, it will come,
As long as Rooney's got legs to run, the red devils will get us another one,
And if you're headaches and you're heart breaks,
You're so much older then you can take,
Then Ole Solskjaer (or whatever manager) will get us through,
Show us direction, to perfection, if not no no help em out,
RVP you know you gotta help us out,
Chicharito put em all on the back foot,
Yeah we block the blue moon out, yeah

And when there's no-where else to run, Ballotelli's race is done,
Mancini is on benefit, United will be sitting at the summit,

RVP you know you gotta help us out,
Chicharito put em all on the back foot,
Yeah we block the blue moon out, yeah
We block the blue moon out, yeah
We'll knock em all out…

We got Ole, Ole Gunner Solskjaer….

Kai

Haha, like this... But might take sometime to teach to 70000 !!

DodgyBanter

That's the spirit. Bit of fun and at an expense of Mancini, Ballotelli & City.
Love it.

Too serious sometimes.

TJ

09 Nov 2012 14:37:45
Just been watching some DVD's of our previous seasons. And one stand out player is Nani, he just seemed to always drive forward and produce a goal or assist. I really don't understand where this Nani has gone, he has no confidence.

I think he thinks he has to live up to the expectation of Ronaldo, he needs to be himself in games and now I don't think their is any way for him to stay with us now.

Once he leaves I will truly miss him as he used to give a spark in the team and to be honest I don't think their are many players that we can buy good enough to play in his position, I can only think of a handful of wingers such as Muniain, Rodriguez, Neymar, Gaitan and maybe Isco, but he is a CAM not a winger.

I just hope that SAF will get the correct replacement for Nani, because I think if we replace him with someone like Ince (Who has the potential but isn't amazing yet) I could see us missing a talented player.

Just like RVP if you buy class players you get class performances, we don't want another play who 'could' become a world class player.

-JakeW

There is no doubt that Nani was a class player, even if he was inconsistent. However he does seem to have lost it, he is even more inconsistent than ever - this simply should not be the case. If he could turn it around I would be happy for him to stay, but it doe not seem at all likely.

Fresh!

09 Nov 2012 14:23:14
Wanayama, celtic midfielder? long shot specialist, cracking game against barcelona and scored the decider, 21 years old and could fill our scholesy position when him, giggsy and carrick retires. could come for 15m in january too. United to win champions league? its more of a open contest since barcelona reached peak however if we are to stand a chance we need to renovate our defence quick as possible with smalling, jones and buttner playing more of a prominent role.

How could Wanayama fill Scholes role, when they are both completely different players!

09 Nov 2012 13:42:28
Someone's mentioned the atmosphere at OT and we need an anthem before the game........

When Sir Alex leaves it would only be right to sing about him.

The Killers: All these things that I've done.

United fans sing: All these trophies Fergie won.

With all the words changed to decorate our club.

When it comes to "I got soul, but I'm not a soldier"

United fans sing: "We got Ole, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer"

That would be tops if he took over as the boss.

Original song only United could sing.

About the old boss & possible the new.

If u wanna knock some amusing lyrics to this song be my guest.

TJ

Stick to and day job spring to mind TJ I'm afraid!

GDS

Is this really how you spend your days TJ? ;)

TK-Red

09 Nov 2012 12:12:35
Morning Gents,

Been off for a while enjoying us returning to the top of the league and qualifying for the later rounds of the Champions League and coming back on here you'd think we are struggling to qualify from the group stages, off the pace in the Premier League and have a team full of mediocre, mid table players!

What makes me laugh but also frustrates me is people come on here and say we cannot compete with Barcelona, performance wise and don't have the players to dominate teams anymore but yet when we grind out results the same people come on here and moan about the performane? Well you've already stated we're not the team we used to be so would you rather that be proved by getting beat week in, week out, in which you will be the first on here to complain or would you prefer to grind out wins week in, week out and be competing for titles? I know which I'd prefer! What we have in this team and what people fail to remeber with past teams is that United have a fantastic work ethic and drive every time they play, something that alot of teams do not have and if you do not have this, you will never compete. The classy football will follow but you need that work rate first and foremost. This is why I believe City have started slow this year, they are champions and now are the biggest scalp in the League so teams will up their work rate against them and for me, City have failed to up theirs as yet and thought their class would be enough but it's not! Celtic are a great example after their two performances against Barcelona on work rate and Chelsea in the 2 semis and final of the Champions League last year are another example.

United have this installed in them and this is why we are always there or there abouts come the end of the season. We also come good notoriously after Christmas so perfromances will improve. We also have enough quality in the team to beat sides as well even if performances aren't quite what we expect at the moment so people can't say that workrate is not enough!

I also have to laugh at the people who criticise Rooney and his actions. These people moan and criticise the Glazers for taking money out of the club and not investing in the team, won't get into that debate now but what was Rooney's concerns? Our ambitions! Investing quality in the team! Same as the people who are critising the Glazers but these people are also critising Rooney! Strange? So the Glazers make a statement about our ambitions by offering Rooney a big contract to ensure him they are prepared to invest in the team, tying down our best player, investing in the team! This is what people who criticise the Glazers wanted but now they are criticising Rooney for signing the contract even though he wanted what these people wanted!

So these people criticise Rooney for making United break the wage structure for him but these people also criticise United and defend Pogba when United broke the wage structure and offered him the biggest contract a youth player has ever been offered at United! What's the difference? I expect people will come on and say it wasn't money for Pogba but about football time but surely offering him the biggest contract a youth player has ever been offered suggests what SAF thought of the lad and that he would be in the plans?! SAF wouldn't offer him a contract like that to play reserve football would he!

Finally, these people moan about youth not being given a chance at United but then criticise the youth that are, Welbeck for example and then call for us to sign all these different players? But when we don't they moan again! Well we can't give youth a chance and sign all these players, we have to balance it out between youth and buying in! This year the kids have had opportunities, Wootton, Keane, Tunnicliffe, Powell, Brady etc but it has to be graduall, the League Cup against Chelsea was a great experience for the kids that played but also showed their inexperience so you have to MANAGE their development!

Please people just enjoy where we are and the players that play for us and get behind the team and whether you agree or not ( I appreciate some people just like moaning and see the glass as always half empty!) I'm sure we can all agree that it is great and funny how United have more points in the Champions League group stage after 4 games then Liverpool have in the Premier League! :)

Have a great weekend people., little prediction, you'll see a performance against Villa Saturday by the lads!

Ports

You do no city are better off points wise this season than last don't you ?

Dio

Best comment I have ever read on this site.I give you 100 percent.fans like you are what man united is all about and not those who just like to critizise our teams.please mr port keep posting true united comments as this.I love you as a brother and a true united fan in bad and good times.note for all the groaning fans.chelsea,barcelona,real madrid and bayern have all lost and yet to secure their respective groups.and please don't say because we have an easy group.champions league is the hardest competition in football and all the teams in it are champions of their respective league so united have done pretty well this season knowing fully well our injuries in defence and also we pick form in january

andy p

09 Nov 2012 18:17:28
Mr. Ports, thats one of the best post i have read. There are fans and there are supporters.

Stanod

Harrumph. So, if you have issues within Rooney that means you are not a fan? What garbage. It's about opinions...Percy loves Nani, Sydney loves Cleverley (and hates Evra) and a number of people are not huge fans of Rooney. That's their opinions and they are entitled to them. I may not agree with some people (and often don't) but most people on here are genuine and have genuinely held views. To denigrate them for these views is infantile. I may not agree with KLOOT or Sydney or GDS or Ports on everything, but I respect their right to have a different view to me. It does make me or them less of a fan.

AJH

Mr stanod I like the part in your comment about there been fans and supporters.I think if you check on notice you will see the same very people who come on this site and moan and criticise every single player are the ones who comments mostly on this site because all they do is find fault and just go on their keyboard and criticise every player especially one mr kloot who can never see any good perfomance by rooney even if he scores an hatrick.

Andy p

Agree with the over-riding sentiment of your post Ports, but also have to agree with AJH - supporting the team does not have to be incompatible with making constructive criticism when things aren't right.

I have no time for the infantile whingeing of the Johnny come lately fans, who demand instant success and will not tolerate one bad game, nor for the disrespectful abuse of some of our greats masquerading as criticism.

However, I will always defend the right of any supporter to voice a well-thought out critique of a player/system/tactic. These people still have the interests of our great club at heart - in fact they only criticise because they care.

It seems rather juvenile to suggest that someone is a better supporter of our club, just because they cheer loudly and unquestioningly.

The game is all about opinions mate, and it would be pretty boring if we all just acted like sheep.


StevieK

StevieK

You know why there is a problem? Some people just to "justify" their dislike for a player would rather prefer the team and the player suffer. That is plain and simple - SAD. Count the number of misplaced passes in a match? Seriously is that the only thing you want to watch in a United match? Sorry, if there is something you don't like about a player, talk about it. But wishing for that player to play like piss is TWISTED.

Different opinions always make it interesting. But we should all get back to just doing one thing when the game starts. Back the men there!

Ports- Couldnt agree more with you. Have been voicing this out recently. Some people wont see anything good, thats it.

Deeps...

Brilliant post and I agree with most of it. We should at least enjoy our current position in both the major competitions

Gav

09 Nov 2012 10:35:54
wanyama is the player we need, once we have him and another solid left back like baines or cissokho , that will be us completely sorted :-)

Robbo

09 Nov 2012 10:10:20
I don't know why SAF isn't giving Anderson and cleverly a go together as a midfield partnership. They did great last season before injuries struck and now that they are fit, we are only seeing bits and pieces of them

Cooper

Because the great man is stupidly loyal to certain players. It's annoying when Anderson/Cleverly or whatever perform well against a smaller team, or in a midweek game such as a cup game......

We then all get excited about seeing them do it on a bigger stage, and loe and behold, SAF picks a creaking, achingly slow "but experienced" CM whenever a big team comes along.

One step forward, two steps back.

RED_SKY

09 Nov 2012 04:43:03
I feel some peoples statement personic when they say we shoudnt go for wanyama in january as he cant play champions league as he wil cup tied with celtic.
Why? Is it only cl, we r going to play after jan?
I guess there will be 16 other pl games nd a few fa cup games will also be there. Ao if he can contribute well in those iant it worth? That can also give rest to some of our players to perform at cl level so twam look more fresh.
Realy some people dont use much brain. Do thwy?
Rodio17

And it may be easier to get him in Jan ...

if he continues to impress and celtic get through to the knockout stages, other big clubs may come in for him.

so he is cup tied... who cares.. he is 21 and if signed in Jan. all the better.. get him on board now to help in the epl and fa cup and ready for next season.

oxred

He could play anyway if Celtic get knocked out IIRC.

I maybe more prudent to buy him in Jan if his performances of late are anything to go buy. We have missed out on quite a few players recently for one reason or another. He would be a welcome addition. Perhaps money plus player and/or loan a youngster or two to sweeten the deal.

Mad Hatter

08 Nov 2012 23:55:09
Guys the reason I feel sometimes the support can be a but flat at OT could be due to the fact we don't have an anthem that gets everyone going for example Celtic park v Barca you'll never walk alone was sensational, we don't really have that. Any body got any sugesstions on what we could have if we had an anthem?

Dave

09 Nov 2012 09:57:49
this is the oneeee...na i dont think its neccessary. we have many songs that arent long and drony, the scousers keep crying on their page because they have no funny chants, united are one ov the best for funny chants

I agree. Let's all start singing an anthem instead of half the north ans south stands eating prawn sandwiches. Any suggestions?
Come on u reds
NoMidfield

Schmeichel, Parker, Pallister.
Irwin, Bruce, Sharpe & Ince.
Hughes, McClaire, Keane & Cantona.
Robson, Kanchelskis & Giggs.

C'mon u reds, c'mon u reds, don't lose ya bottle & keep ya heads. In 90minutes we'll let the, know. It's Man United HERE WE GO.

SOME DJ COULD MIX IT WITH A SAMBA BEAT & END THE SONG WITH A SHORT BURST OF 99 RED BALLOONS (with the words changed to celebrate our triumphant 99 treble season.

Rafael & Anderson can dance with Fred the red on the centre circle with Brazilian bikini
clad cabaret dancers releasing 99 red balloons.

I'd rather a bouncy party song than some depressing dumb ass song that the Scousers stole off Celtic & Athletico Madrid.

TJ

You'll Never Walk Alone, was origanally Manchester Uniteds and sung after the Munich Air Disaster. ordinary people and fans came to the ground and sang in respect to those fine footballers and human beings who sadlly lost their lives, however it never caught on. and then jerry and the pacemakers came out and it become the number one, all time greatest hit in the history of music according to 'Certain People'.
I have always thought why we haven't had a true anthem that could be in the music charts as well as the football ground. People will say it is Glory, Glory, but i wouldn't count that. I'll get penning one! A quick fix till i do that, is difficult to think of one, someone cool like the stone roses, oh wait aren't 'simply red' United fans?

aaallj5

I have always felt We Shall not be moved was one song that united the ground as it is usually sung with optimism that we are going to win something. To hear the whole ground singing it sends shivers and if we needed an anthem that would be my vote

Red Man

Almost true Allljj5 it was actually a salvation army choir from Chorlton who sang it in the middle of the pitch. I suggest that the original poster goes to some away games with United and sees the full range of our songs. If you want to turn your home ground into a theme park for Japanese tourists don't get upset when there is no atmosphere. I AM KLOOT

I bet Rio knows Will-I-am. He should get him to write & sing a JAM.