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22 Aug 2013 10:09:13
Now that Mr Levy has finally come to an agreement with RM for Bale (If this proves to be the case) then this will finally unlock some transfer business for us. Modric on route and let's hope he packs Ronnie in his suitcase!

As much as I feel Rooney has not given 100% commitment over the past 2 seasons to UTD with his attitude and condition I do feel he will up his game (to make a point) if he goes to chelsea and let's face it underneath these problems he's still absolute world class.
So for me the addition of Modric, Ronnie and Fellaini (Not world class but will add something different) would put us in a better position in recent times to win the lot once again.
If we don't make such signings along with holding onto Rooney then i'm afraid we are probably looking at a runners up spot at best, let's hope not.

Come on Moyes pull off a stunner :)

Renn

1.) How can you say Rooney has not been committed for the past two years.
He has sacrificed his position to play in the midfiled whenever Fergie has asked him to and has never once moaned about it.
The final nail in the coffin was when Fergie dropped him against Real Madrid and he was wrong to do that.
If I was Rooney I wouldn't be happy.

Simmo

2.) Simmo

That then means his problem was with SAF not Utd or the fans so why wouldn't he have then moved instantly to quash rumours of him wanting to leave when Moyes took over?

Probably because he A. Doesn't care about the club and B. Wants to move.

3.) 22 Aug 2013 11:27:01
And how many games did he play in midfield. I think you can count them in one hand. Hardly the excuse most of you use to justify his frankly childish behaviour. MrE

4.) Simmo

Must be horrible playing out of position for the biggest club in the world, on 200k plus a week & playing with quality players. Rooney has had it tough. He needs to show respect to our club.

5.) U say his problem was with SAF not Manchester United but SAF was/is man utd.

6.) It's a stand off so he cannot say anything to the media right now, not until MU give him a new deal or they agree to sell him to Chelsea. MU either need to pay him what he wants or he will join Chelsea. He cannot say he is leaving as he will forfeit his 5% and cannot say he's staying as he wants the new improved contract. It is a contract negotiation and Rooney must keep schtum at this point. MU are well within their rights to let his contract run down, but I think they will cash in if the right offer comes in and we have successfully brought in our own targets. That being said, people are saying our £30m plus add-ons bid for Cesc was derisory and possibly a token bid, well what do they make of Chelsea's £20m bid for Rooney and the latest £25m bid with add-ons? Are they token bids?

Sydney! {Ed044's Note - I am told by another Ed that Chelsea will make a third bid for Rooney but they are also in discussions over another forward as well.}

7.) Strebor83

If you don't like your boss then he leaves and works in a different branch but still in the company would you still move if you were happy doing that job for that company?

Rooney doesn't want to be here so I say let him go and milk Chelsea for 50m. No less for them!

8.) Simmo, If I recall, the day of the Swansea game last season, you had a good old moan about Rooney and his lack of fitness. So you clearly had an issue with his fitness like a lot of fans have had for sometime now, so if he wasn't 100%, then why was SAF wrong to drop him for the RM game? You could also make an argument for Welbeck being our best player over the two RM games so was it wrong for SAF to drop Rooney for Welbeck?

Sydney!

9.) Ed044, Jackson Martinez?

Try and find out if Mata used in a deal for Rooney would be out of the question, or whether something could be done. I think it's a long shot, but worth asking IMO.

Sydney! {Ed044's Note - There has been no suggestions made about Mata being involved I am told.}

10.) Syd
So you think this is all about Rooney getting a better contract than what he is on now .
So I take it you must think that Rooney wants to stop at United really.
That he's quite happy with being subbed played out of position dropped for big games as long as he gets paid more
That he doesn't want a move to Chelsea the chance to be the main man, play in his preferred role and work under Jose.

I think Rooney wants to move to Chelsea .
Jred

11.) Why hasn't Rooney come out and said anything, quite simple he wants the move but United have told him no chance, which is why he's looking such an unhappy boy .
He won't get a new contract sulking.

Are they token bids we will see at the end of the transfer window, if United give barce a serious 40 mill bid you would have to say no but 30 mill was never going to get fab
Is it a token bid for Rooney or an attempt by to unsettle him and the club, make trouble then come in with a serious bid to buy an unhappy player, again we will see in 11 days.
Jred

12.) Anything over 40 million would be great. Setting aside all the who has done what and all the conjecture about his current situation, I am convinced we will never see the player he was in 2010 just before his ankle injury.

I realize a lot of his supporters are clinging to this notion that we will suddenly get the wayne rooney of old but in reality it will not happen.

If he stays, I will not argue that we will get the occasional great game from him but we will get a lot more of very average/ bordering on poor performances from him.

Unfortunately, this transfer window has made it difficult for the club to move players due to the lack of any signings and hence we are in a difficult position when it comes to players like him.

13.) The problem is Fergie is still up stairs probably pulling the strings.
There is no way back for Rooney now Fergie made sure of that by stating publicly that he wants a transfer.
What else can Rooney do but look for another club now.
I really do fear for Moyes if he let's Rooney go and he only brings in Fellaini and Baines.
Ive said it numerous times that a replacement is needed.
No matter what you think of Rooney the guy scores goals and nearly always averages 20+ a season.
Can you really see Welbeck doing that? Hernandez for me just isn't good enough to warrant a starting place, he's just a natural poacher / finisher.
I think for Moyes on sake if Rooney goes he needs a big signing.

Simmo

14.) Sydney

Wellbeck generally plays well but he can't score goals.
I thought that Rooney was fit for the Real game, hence the reason why Rooney wasn't so unhappy with Fergies decision.
Who's to say that if Rooney would of played and considering the chances we created he would of finished them and we may have beaten Madrid.
It's all ifs and buts, i'm just saying I would rather have Rooney in my side.
It's going to be a massive mistake selling him to Chelsea because believe me he will score 20+ goals and I think will be the difference between Chelsea, us and City.

Simmo

15.) Simmo

last 2 years being play out of position are you serious and do you even watch the games.

He was played in midfield a handful of times last year. He is not going to unseat RVP as first choice on the team sheet and depending on his fitness and form he has to compete with the likes of kagawa, welbeck and hernandez to get into the team and that is football mate and nothing personal about that and happens to all great players.

16.) Jred, IMO Rooney wants an improved contract to stay or he will be happy to move to Chelsea. I don't think MU will offer him a new deal and that is why he is sulking.

I think Rooney would sign a new and improved contract tomorrow if offered. But I don't see MU doing it this time round. That's my opinion.

Sydney!

17.) Jred, so £30m plus add-ons for a Barcelona fringe player isn't a serious offer? Barcelona who want two CB's and have little money to make it happen? I would say it's a fair second offer. I am sure if MU had any positive feedback that Barcelona would do business they would go back in with a higher bid. They still might.

So when Chelsea offer a low bid it's tactical, but when we do it it's just to fool the fans into thinking we are genuinely interested in signing a top player.

Sydney!

18.) Simmo, aren't you just a little bit worried that we will get the same Rooney as last season if he stays? Poor control, losing the ball, making no effort to get the ball back. Sure, if we were getting the Rooney of 2009/10 then it would be a no brainer to keep him, even give him a better contract, but physically he has never got back to 2009/10 in three years and off the back of a very poor season will he 100% improve? I am certain we have seen the best of Rooney, I think no one will argue with that, but even if he could get back to 2011/12 standard would be acceptable. He is never going to score as many goals again with RvP being the penalty taker now, but a 2011/12 Rooney would be an asset unquestionably, I just think people are worries we will get the same Rooney as last season. That will not help anyone as when he is playing badly it will cost the team. If he was on £40k a week then he can afford to have plenty of off days, but he is our highest paid player and his performances need to mirror that.

We will never see the 2009/10 Rooney again obviously, but are we going to get the 2011/12 Rooney or the 2012/13 Rooney?

Sydney!

19.) "U say his problem was with SAF not Manchester United but SAF was/is man utd.
strebor83"

I like to think that we the fans are Manchester United, the club can survive losing anyone person but it can't live without us.

20.) Syd
fabergas has played 48 games a season for barcelona so hardly a fringe player.
30 mill was never going to get him but as you say barce need cash so a big offer would be hard to turn down, however I don't think we will make such an offer.
chelsea r going for an unsettled player and also unsettling there main rivals also unlike united I expect them to continue to try for the player

so you honestly think that rooney isn't unhappy at the club, isn't unhappy at being subbed etc and would rather play second fiddle at united than be main man at chelsea . don't forget he will get very good contract at chelsea

i honestly think there is a lot that points to rooney wanting out the club and not that much to point to him wanting to sign a new contract and commit his future to the club.
chelsea will offer just as much money and the chance for a new start and the strikers role
jred

21.) Perhaps fringe player is a bit strong, but he isn't first choice in the strongest XI. That's my point.

The package offered was €40m. So if the initial amount was £30m, then £4m must have been the add-ons. Would you say a €40m offer for a second offer is derisory or a token bid? I certainly don't.

I think the Rooney thing has run it's course, we know each other's thoughts so we will leave it there I think. Although I do think he will end up in the hole at Chelsea too either this summer or next if he signed for them.

Sydney!

22.) Syd
On the Barcelona page and this page ed001 said the fabergas bid was to appease fans, do you know better and if so how
Jred

23.) Syd
Lol with all the players Chelsea have to play in the 3 Oscar Mata De duryne, hazard you think Jose is buying Rooney to play there .
Even though Jose has said he wants him as a striker as well,
Lol it gets better.

24.) Jred, that's Ed001's opinion. It's not fact.

I think Rooney will eventually replace Lampard, but expect he would play as a striker this season if he signs for Chelsea. I think Lukaku or someone like Martinez will play ahead of Rooney eventually.

Sydney!

25.) Syd
he seems to know what he's talking about and he did say nothing would come off it and we would then move for fellaini .
I always thought the fabergas thing never felt right so what he said made sense and actually happened .

So do you know better
Jred

26.) Most people thought nothing would come of it. perhaps as high as 95% of people on here. Fellaini was always going to be a target. As soon as Moyes took over 002 said Moyes could turn his attentions to Fellaini instead of Strootman. When we let Strootman join Roma without any fight from us to sign him it was obvious Fellaini was going to be a target. Nearly if not every paper said Fellaini will join MU.

I do not know better, I know the same amount as you and him. Naff all.

Sydney!

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