Manchester United Rumours Archive December 10 2012

 

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10 Dec 2012 23:39:42
Just watchin the mourinho thing in the pub and to be honest I'm not to sure Sir bobs comments are truthful in that he may be deflecting the media towards other targets.

IMO there is o Ly and for the past 2 years has only been 1 successor and Jose is the one.

His antics at real have left allot to be desired but at the same time he would be under far less pressure at us and he knows how to change a team to what he wants.

There is only 1 man to take the succession of SAF in his stride IMO and he is

Jose Mourinho!

Jono

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I for one would not like jose here he is a class less man who for my opinon always over steps the mark he is a cheat and a liar and not what we need at ot plus dont realy like his style for of play to negative for me plus he only ever done good when he has shed loads of cash. for me its moyes done a propa job for everton honest and hard working has the same values as sir alex is modest and hummble unlike the arrogent cocky slime ball that is mourinho Katef.

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Don't hold back there Kate - tell us how you really feel about Jose :)

StevieK

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I think we all know jose is a great manager no doubt but do we really need a man that has to be the center of the universe moyes who would be my choice does not have the same set of skills and his cv reads nothing compared to the special one but he is honest and hard working and has done very well with a small budget and i beleave if jose had a team like everton to manager he would find it much harder and won very little and with moyes i beleave with the squad he inherits and the cash he has available and the best set of youth players we have probably ever had he can do great things without the idiocrasy jose would bring maybe if he came to united he would mellow and know the role he has to play and not the mouth piece he is oh and if moyes comes expect baines who i rate the best left back in the country and maybe barkley to who the staff at evreton rate as good a prospect as any they have had come through rooney included Katef

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11 Dec 2012 09:49:46
katef really? You'd rather have Moyes over jose? One's won every trophy going and the other swings from relegation battles to the edge of european qualifying. I'd rather have the proven winner who's won trophies in every country he's managed in.

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Comparing jose to moyes is not faire jose has had money and teams with worldclass players in every postion ok his record is outstanding but he is does not have the class to uphold our rep he is rude arrogant and a bully moyes is honest and is doing a very good job he has come close to being in the top four more than he has at being relegated would jose have won anything at everton. jose had a wonderfull team at porto and he has had his fare share of luck and parking the bus to get were he is were as moyes is yet to have a really top team to perform at i supose the manager with proven track record all be it with the best team ever is pepe guardiola he would work well with the outstanding talent coming through and is a gentelman as well so he tops jose on everything for me. Katef

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WTF long ball moyes you have to got be rubbishting me

Pardoe

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Even if he dragged this club's good name through the mud?

StevieK

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Pardoe lets be honest everton under moyes play good football and its wrong to say otherwise how many teams in the top eight have evertons budeget none is the answer and i think you will find that most evertonians are happy with there team and there style you can only work with the players you have got and moyes has done a very good job baines and fellaini are outstanding players but thats about it and they still compete and over achevie every year if you gave moyes 30-40m each year i think his teams would play football a bit more than they do now to think a man of moyes calibre and longevity does not know how to set a team up is wrong i think it will be moyes after sir alex he for me ticks more boxes than the rest only time will tell who takes over from sir alex who ever does has big shoes to fill indeed. Katef

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My heart says Ole, (though in all honesty, ke's more likely to be the manager after next in 5 - 10 years time), but my head says Moyes. He's hewn from the same granite as SAF. If he was to come to OT, lets hope he bring Fellani with him.
Mik

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11 Dec 2012 13:50:59
ok you convinced me. Moyes is honest. Give him the job then. Personally i don't think moyes would cope with the pressure. Also his teams tend to park the bus a fair bit and play boring defensive football the same reason you don't want jose. Its a fair point on resources. But i do think jose could have won something at everton he's a better tactician for a start. Also it highlights for me moyes lack of ambition in staying for so long at everton. Lastly west brom have a similar budget and their doing well so is steve clarke in with a shout as well? He's quite honest as well.

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Aside from top teams reluctance to take on British managers, where else could Moyes have gone over the years that would have been a step up from Everton?

Utd and Arsenal was never happening. City have only recently been in their exalted position, but before then they would have been a step down from Everton. No self-respecting manager would want to work at Chelsea.

Possibly only Spurs out of the teams available, would have been a step up for him. Not so much lack of ambition, but lack of opportunity.

StevieK

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Everton fan who cometh in peace. Interesting some of the comments on here about moyes. It seems Katef knows her football. Moyes's net spend in 10 years is circa £15m which is nothing. I would imagine 90% of the entire premier league teams have spent more than moyes in the last decade. Also to say he plays long ball and parks the bus is a ridiculous comment. He plays to his teams strengths and ability and employs different tactics against stronger teams. Its called being a good manager. Do people think you can play tiki taka ala barcelona style with players like phil neville, leon osma, tony hibbert etc. I think the answer to that is a definate no lol. Anyway in my opinion you could do a hell of a lot worse than moyes and i for one would not swap him for mourinho
Cheeks

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Well said Cheeks. I think most football fans have the utmost respect for what Moyes has done at your club.

Like I said above, it's not his fault the opportunities haven't been there for him to maybe prove himself at one of the very top clubs, and he has to find an effective way of playing with the resources he has.

I don't know for sure if he is my preferred candidate to take over from Fergie, but he certainly deserves to be in the mix, and given a fair hearing.

I know this - I'd take a man like Moyes over a man like Mourinho every day of the week.

StevieK

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No chance, he'd crack under the pressure. Also it would show a total lack of ambition from us if Mourinho, Blanc, Guardiola and possibly Klopp were all available and we appointed Moyes.

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There is no way in the world StevieK is a real Utd fan, at least not Manchester United. I have yet to see him say one good thing about the club or any of the players. What's wrong Stevie, did Colleen pick Wazza over you at the school dance?

Roy Keane's Snarling Army.

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To be fair to steviek has not slated anyone at the club on this post just talking thru his opinion on who should be the next manager and if there is a better managers for the club than jose and i for one would much rather moyes than jose i dont think you read and understood the post he is talking about jose potentialy rubbishing the clubs name nothing about rooney on this post. jose is class less do you want a manager who pocks opponents in the eye a manger that accusses the manger of the opposition of going in the refs room at half time and was wrong by the way and the ref retied because of it. no we real united fans dont all want jose because he is not a manger that should ever be at this club go city or back to chelsea or stay at madrid a team full of pre madonas stay away from united unless your willing to change your whole ethos jose , moyes could take over and do the job with dignity and pride and for all you win at every cost no matter what, he would also be successful and win lots of trophys you will all be be saying what a great man he is if you say the same now about jose then have a thought about his other side of him do we want that ? katef

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Steve Clark actually made the accusation and Mourinho is special breed. A footballing genius with a very complicated personality and obvious flaws. So it comes down to the trade off and what that means for the club if we ever hired him.

Shahram

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Sorry Shahram it was Steve Clark but still does not disprove what jose is like and David moyes is of a very speacil breed of people and that is glaswegen and scotish we all now what happens when we have a scot at the helm also look to the amount of glaswegens managing and doing it right there is loads and you cant tell me jose is better than sir Alex or Busby he may be more modern but moyes is from his generation and if given the chance could do another dynasty here, he has similar control of everton as Sir Alex has of us would probably bring Baines and Barkley with him he does know how to put a team together and parks the bus when needed much less of late because he has put together a good team i remeber the days of fancy dans that thought they were all that Ron Atkinson and before him sexton what did we win two fa cups and we all know what happened lets repeat history with the best times ala now and the times of the babes under a strict and clever scotsman Katef

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RKSA - either you're an ignorant little troll, or just ignorant. Look up my name - you'll not find one bad word against this club, or the majority of the players.

StevieK

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Agree with StevieK + Katef + Ceeks, anyone with half a brain can see Moyes has done a class job at Everton on a shoe string budget. To say he plays long ball football or he hasn't won anything is a little ignorant IMO

Having said that he wouldn't be my choice, would show a lack of ambition given the level he has experience at. My choice would be Jurgen Klopp

Gav

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10 Dec 2012 23:06:53
Walked into my college class this morning (which is full of City fans) and I went in with a massive grin on my face, didn't even have to say a word to get at them.

We just beat City away, ended their unbeaten streak, made Mancini have a face like a slapped arse, and all with a 90th minute winner. Does it get any better?

That moment when you can walk into a room full of City fans and wind them up without saying a word makes me forget about the flaws of past games. GGMU

Hoppy

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I walked into school this morning and my friend, a massive city fan who was at game sat beside me first period he was so depressed whilst I had a smile the width of the room!

Caolán.

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Didn't you get the customary coin thrown at you?;-p lol

Shappy

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10 Dec 2012 20:32:12
Interesting to see Sydney say that he'd like Vadillo - do you or anyone else think that we could go for someone like him instead of someone like Rodriguez? Perhaps Baines, Strootman & Vadillo - something along those lines?

Fresh!

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Vadillo is a exceptional talent but he is not ready to be one of our best 2 wingers... If we had a 4 to select of Valencia, Rodriguez, Vadillo and Zaha.. That would be sensational.

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Heard good things about Vadillo but never seen him play. All I know is people call him the next CR7.

Dan

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10 Dec 2012 20:28:28
If you are not watching the United u21's against Villa you would laugh if you see what just happened.... First of all Bebe just ripped apart the defence then Macheda turned the centre backs inside out and passed it to Cole for an open goal and he hit the post and bounced into the keepers hands it was a shocker to say the least... I have to say Petrucci, Powell and Tunners are great together in midfield but I just can not see Petrucci staying here when he is getting zero chances in the first team when he deserves it. Bebe scored !

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10 Dec 2012 18:44:56
Anyone know much about this winger Ola John? Is he a lw or rw and is he any good etc....

James

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He signed for benfica during last summer for 9 million, Only 20 and had a great season prior with twente, assisting 16 times and scoring 8 goals which is quite good for someone of his age, Is still developing but may become quite the player for benfica.

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10 Dec 2012 16:50:09
Ed any chance of us signing James McCarthy as the long term replacemewfor Carrick/Fletch?

MUMBAI_BOY {Ed002's Note - All enquiries in the past have resulted in a high fee being quoted. I am not aware of any interest from MUFC at this time.}

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10 Dec 2012 14:28:52
Hi guys,

For all of you that have been questioning the Boss on team selection over the past few weeks and suggesting he should go I hope sunday put some sense into you.

He uses the squad to get results end of.

Brendan

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Why is not okay to criticize a bad team selection? Why should we be okay when he plays Giggs for 90 minutes at Norwich? Grow up

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I think what he might be saying Mr unnamed is that perhaps Sir Alex ferguson knows what he is doing.

MDJ

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I have to disagree with you Brendan. We've all questioned SAF's decision to play either Giggs, Scholes and even an unfit Fletcher lately. He played none of these on Sunday so you're point is invalid. If he had played Giggs or Scholes in the middle of the park do you think we would have gotten the same result - not a chance.
We've also questioned why he played the oldies instead of younger, hungrier, fresher players that were on the threshold of breaking through like Pogba was, or like Petrucci, Tunnicliffe etc are now. He doesn't use the squad in this instance, why not?
And we are all entitled to our opinion Brendan. I'd rather have a conversation with someone that questions SAF's decisions and judgements, with reasoned debate, than talk to someone who hasn't got a brain of his own and slavishly follows his master around worshipping him unfailingly. I wonder why people like you even come on to discussion sites.

J Bones.

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A fan has every right to question team selection. Especially when it is team selection that causes us to lose at places like Norwich. Would we have lost against Norwich if SAF had put out the same team as he did on sunday? I don't think we would've. Don't gimme any bull about being a squad game as the we had a pointless game at Galatasaray that week. Yes we beat City but that doesn't mean everything is now suddenly rosey.

TK-Red

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10 Dec 2012 16:30:06
@MJD
yes mate didnt want to go into too much detail but my point is its crazy to think that the Boss can't see the value and level of each player. He certainly does know what he's doing
Brendan

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Its clear SAF knows what the strengths n weaknesses of the squad are,he put the squad together,but its nonsense to suggest that a win at the etihad means hes been right all along.
The faith in giggs or scholes is,imo,more likely a lack of faith in the youngsters.
He cant get it right all the time n hopefully the injuries are soon behind us n we wont be so reliant on giggs n scholes starting games but clearly something is wrong somewhere when no youngsters have been blooded in midfield despite our problems in tht position

BABY FACED ASSASIN

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FYI, the result on sunday was solely because he did not mess with team selection. Had we played the likes of Giggs and Scholes, we'd have conceded in double digits.

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10 Dec 2012 13:20:36
i think evra to paris might have some legs but more likely in summer. They have to have a level of frenchmen in the squad and looking at the team their just about meeting it. Signing evra gives them a top player who helps with the quota rules. Makes more sense to me than signing cashley.

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I think that we will allow him to leave providing that we sign Baines first. This won't happen till summer though I wouldn't imagine as said.

Fresh!

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Fingers crossed.

Sydney!

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10 Dec 2012 11:26:44
Gonna sign Tettey from Norwich in the summer! Cant wait, he is the engine we need.

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You got to be kidding. I have seen Tettey for several games, including for the national team (he plays for Norway - i´m a norwegian). He is NOT what United need... yes he plays well now, but im not convinced he will continue his progress, and is defintley not good enough for the next (big) step.

Steffen

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No we aren't and no he isn't.

Fresh!

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10 Dec 2012 06:58:16
De gea still needs to work on his command of the box and balls in the air, but he's still five years younger than most elite players in their position (Rafael too). And I'm fine with lindegard rotating through as he's quality as well. But I honestly believe that right now he is the best pure shot stopper in the world. At 21/22. He saves everything he should and many things he has no earthly right stopping. He's a couple of years and a couple hundred cheeseburgers away from being the best keeper in the world. -KG

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He's come on leaps and bounds controlling his area, even coming out and punching with authority.
As for shop stopping, goes without saying, one of the best!

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Maybe we just need to get De Gea to eat Anderson's packed lunches. Two birds one stone.......

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Really like De Gea but I have a feeling he is wanting out and its being kept quiet until either January or the summer.

Dan

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10 Dec 2012 06:43:33
'Ryan relishing Australia visit'. It's from the official website. It's about the preseason tour of 2013. Giggs won't be hanging his boots any sooner. reddevil

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As I said on here before SAF has already said Giggs will be offered a new contract

Pardoe

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This is getting beyond a joke

a 40 year old playing in the centre of midfield for manchester united??

wat is the world coming too, seriously though.....surely ryan must no he can no longer provide the service we require on the field.....off the field in a coaching role then yes his experience would be crucial but thats it

Robbo

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When did the manager say he would be offered a new deal?

Sydney!

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Could be giggsy's biggest downfall, not knowing when to stop.

DanW

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Yeah but imagine the influence that he must have in the dressing. His performance in the cup defeat at Stamford Bridge was fanatastic.

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The manager said last month that he thinks giggs could have an other 12 month in him
jred

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Hopefully he will only be used in the cap 1 cup next season. I think it would be brilliant for him and Scholes to do another year but only to play in the cap 1 cup (and maybe the early rounds of the FA cup).

Dan

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Giggly might be moved into the back room staff? Replace Phelan as fergie's number two.

Mez

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