11 Jul 2013 19:33:30
Bayern has payed clause for Alcantara, story ended!
There is a little more to it than just a clause being paid.
Sydney!
Let's hope De gea has some persuasive powers!
No name you are the god of foresight
Got to face the facts I'm afraid. Another day another no value in the market. We are doing all we can to complete the moves we want but its just not that easy. It might well be for City and Chelsea and Bayern and Everton And Liverpool but not us. That familiar patter from a United manager Well we go ontour and who has come. No one. Did you not read what our new ceo said "We do not need any major signings maybe a little tinkering here and there". Another squeeze by our beloved owners. Did Gill and Fergie know something. Who is the best manager to get who has managed on a virtual zero budget. Yes its starting to make sense isn't it. Champions 21 times when the geeks leave maybe!! but unless there's a Besty or Duncan Edwards in the academy this may well be the beginning of another barren spell
I washed David Peggs car
Zero budget? Stop talking utter twaddle man. In the last two years we have signed DeGea, Zaha, Jones, RVP, Kagawa amongst others that is the best premiership striker, one of the best Bundesligia players and three excellent young talents and around £80-100m outlay is it not? We have lost out on a few big signings the last couple of years which frustrates people when seeing mroe and mroe sugar daddy clubs spending big. but is this really anything new? Throughout Fergies reign we have lost out on the likes of Batistuta, Shearer, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Xavi, Gascoigne, Ronaldhinio. Look at facts we have hardly EVER signed world stars, especially foreign ones, the only one I can think of is Veron. We sign good young foreign players to compliment out British players and soem of them turn into world stars. And rabbiting on aboout value, this is a player with a release clause so nothing to do with value!
Im as frustrated as the next man, we seriously need additions in all midfield departments, but just because we have possibly lost out on a big name player again stop throwing your toys out of the pram and see we have spent money
Invisible STuey
He's going to Bayern, he would of signed for us by now. This has been going on since the end of the season, I'm scared we have maybe two more signings coming in. One will be Baines and one other, won't be a huge signing. Probally Fellani as I feel he would have signed for Arsenal by now.
Unless I'm mistake isn't Thiago still on holiday until around 15th July? He has known about interests from Manchester United, Bayern Munich, and a couple of other clubs as well as knowing Barcelona would like to retain him. This is a big decision for a young player so he is rightly taking his time.
If he signs for us then great, we will have acquired a talented young player who will improve our midefield no end. If not us then good luck to him wherever he ends up and we'll pursue other targets.
As Invisible STuey said we've missed out on plenty of players in the past 25 years, but we've also signed some absolute crackers - Rooney, Vidic, Van Nistelrooy, Keane, RvP, Stam etc. let's face it we missed out on Ronaldinho and ended up with Cristiano Ronaldo. That didn't end up too badly did it?
Let wait and see how this situation plays out before all the doom and gloom, and remember we follow the greatest club in the World. Things could be so much worse.
Getting a bit disillusioned with United. Big names want money and we can't offer that or don't want to offer that.
On top of that we seem to drag our heels a bit over these deals. yeah its not as simple but cmon. Its a joke Rvp has been the only big name to join us recently.
This penny pinching is costing us!
I think that Beyern is bad for Thiago, so many players fighting for a place in the team. Midfield, Schweinsteiger, Geotze, Luiz Gustavo, Javi Martinez, Shaqiri, Tony Kroos. not to mention wingers Robben and Ribery. UTD would be perfect for him, but as I sad in the first post I think that deal with Munich is 99% done.
I have not introduced my self in the first post.
Steppenwolf
Well no clause has been paid out and sky italy have retracted the statement
Stuey
If you read my post I did not say united had a zero budget, I said Moyes has managed on a zero budget. Yes United have spent money on De gea Jones Kagawa Van persie Smalling. Add the cost of that lot up, hmm oops Ronaldo money spent there so where has all the money gone that the club has made. Through sponsorship plus the sale of all the small time players that have come and gone plus the Tv receipts plus the gate revenue off the 76000 every home game etc etc. Yes we have some good prospects. Alas not all prospects make the grade. Wonderful when they do but truth is very few become world stars. Today to compete with other sugar daddy clubs I am afraid you have to buy superstars. Not in every position that does not work but you need class players in certain positions then your workhorses that complement them. We won the league last year yes, in all honesty did they fill you with awe, were you on the edge of your set with anticipation. I'm afraid if you say yes then you are deluded. I still cannot forget that we were shown up at Wembley by Barca in that final. I look at todays team and how much have we progressed, a big NIL. We are desperate for a class midfield. The biggest club in the world has to play a 39 year old in midfield and bring out of retirement an other player nearer 40 than 30. Something is wrong I do not know what it is but something is. I will put it down to the owners like so many others do. No one will ever know what constraints Fergie worked under, but you cannot tell me that the greatest manager ever could not see where we were short of class, that he could not find anyone to fill the void. And that no value in the market crap just did not wash
Before you now say stop going, stop following United then if you are so unhappy with them. I am not unhappy with United just the way they are being run. I have supported them since 1954 seen the greats and the not so greats. Been on old Trafford after Munich with just 23000 in the ground missed 2 matches home and away when they went down in 1974. I have an opinion about them you might not agree with it but that's why we all love them. and continue going even when they are s****
Just out of interest, has anyone got any links or other form of proof for this supposed 'deal'. As already mentioned, the lads supposedly on holiday until Monday & 2 weeks ago every media outlet was claiming we'd paid the release clause. Utd fans should be used to this by now. The media constantly linking us with every player under the sun is no new thing so rather than getting caught up in the media frenzy sit back & be patient. As many 'exclusives' as people claim to have, the only people who really know the situation with Thiago are the player & Barcelona & until there's an official statement everyone needs to calm down.
That being said, I would love Utd to sign this lad & I wouldn't trust any reported 'confirmations' as I'm sure come Monday or Tuesday there'll be a formal announcement on his future from the player or Barca. Also, any thoughts on further reinforcements? Personally I'd love to see us go for Lars Bender. Already 5 times the player Strootman will ever be (never got the hype about this lad anyway)
I'm sure that we will have Zero Budget the season after we announce a record deal for our shirt sponsorship, We convince DHL to sponsor Carrington for a ridiculous amount, our Kit contract is due up for negotiation shortly.
We have a budget, we have targets, None of us knows for sure who they are. DM will be assessing his squad in training and the next few exhibition games to see what he needs. Remember we are Champions and we need tweaking not a complete new squad. A CM is needed, possibly 2, LB is obviously being looked at with our reported bid for Baines.
It would not surprise me if we spent £50m+ again possibly more if certain players were available.
RRED7
Stuey
It took United 5 years, yes - 5years - to spend the 80m we received from ronaldo. We lost 3 key players at that time ronaldo/tevez/ and hargreaves (even though through injury), and in addition had a number of key players all reaching into and past their twilight years.
A reasonably ambitious side would have attempted to replace ronaldo with a world class player, and then spend the rest to reinvigourate areas that needed replacing anyway. The least they could have done was to spend that 80 million, even if they didn't provide a normal transfer budget in addition.
This money, aswell as the vast and huge resevoirs of manchester uniteds operating profit went to servicing the glazers debt - period.
They have aquired the club for free using its own money, and now have a business worth a couple of billion pounds without having put a penny of their own into it. They are racketeering. - Damaging us from the inside, and then profiting off it. We earn just as much if not more, than barcelona or real madrid. If these two can compete in the transfer market, how is it that we cant?
The past few seasons we have invested out of necessity, I wouldn't confuse that with ambition. We can still see the residue of the glazers post ronaldo transfer policy. Last year, after spending our allotted resources early on, it was out of the question to even make a bid for dembele. A much needed midfielder at good value. We had made a lot of contact already as we waited for his contract to expire, but once it was an issue of paying a few extra million we scurried away, - again -, worried about the perception of inflation, and how we might need to pay a few million extra in future transfers.
Since the recession in 2007 the glazers have been completely bankrupt, and united is now their cash cow, and their parachute. The authorities don't seem to care about britans largest football club being sunk, - and are probably corrupt themselves, aswell as being completely incompetent. - To allow a billion pound business to be bought completely on leverage really is a joke.
There may not be much we can do about it, but let's not be ignorant of what an injustice these owners, and this situation is, to the fans of manchester united, who ultimately support and finance the club.
Im all about supporting our club, and if that means being positive about youth policies and shrewder signings, - to support management and players, i'm happy in doing so, and will even take pride in that, - just don't ask me to be ignorant of what crooks, hijacking our club, are doing, and what they represent.
These individuals are similar to the bernie madoff's of this world, and will continue to defraud manchester united as long as they remain in charge.
Nuff said
Redwolf
Redwolf
If you really feel that strongly about why don't you find another team to support, this is supposed to be a rumours site not the moan about MU site!
Nuff said
Stew4d
People need to calm down!
Asked about the player, Moyes commented: "I never said he was a target.
"We're on with targets that we are chasing at this moment in time. There are people we are actively chasing and, at this moment in time, we're happy with how things are going. "
He obviously was a target, Moyes is trying to save face. Are record for trying and succeeding to sign top players is dreadful, how can we (arguably the biggest sports club in the world) fail so many times in the transfer market. AAAHHHH!
Dan
I repeat what the earlier post, posted Moyes has already said that he has never said we are after thiago. I would love to see him at united but I am and neither is anyone else on here the manager. I am sure Moyes would love to see thiago at old Trafford but like he said he has never said he was interested in thiago. I am sure Moyes has his targets and will want to make an impression in his first season. so I am more than confident that it is just a matter of time before we see a few new faces.
M. U. F. C Salford
Sick of people saying he would have signed for us by now, so he's going to Bayern.
Bayern have been interested as long as us our longer, so by that logic he would have already signed for them ifhe was going to.
As for rvp being our only big name last year, you clearly don't know much about European football because Kagawa was a huge signing. He was massively rated across Europe after an incredible second season at BVB.
Thorne.
I would totally agree with you that last seasons Utd side wasnt exciting to watch and probably played the least awe inspiring football I have seen since Fergie won his first trophy in all honesty. And yes apologies I misread your zero budget comment.
I don't even want go into the Glazers argument Redwolf. The point I am making is througout our history way pre-Glazer we have nearly always missed out on big targets outside of the premiership, name so fwhich I have mentioned and Veron IS the only big star signing we have ever made outside of our own league, the rest have been young or emerging talents.
We have been rather unfortunate in the midfield area what with Hargreaves and Fletchers injuries/illness and Anderson failing to fullfill massive talent, potential and performances in his first season and a bit. But all this "we are struggling for missing out on our big targets", I just don't buy as not ONE of the names I have seen as muppet signings prior to Thiago has been a central midfielder, nto one Snerider and Pastore are the closest and are both more number 10s. Your talk of Dembele, I haven't seen any of this, purely rumours linking him with us and several dozen other players. didn't he cost £9m or soemthing for Spurs, I hardly think we would be scurrying away from such a deal. Not when you look at some of the deals we have done over the last couple of years
Bebe £7m odd
Young £18m odd
I wouldn't say that is £25m spent awfully personally. And arguing how long it has taken us to spend the Ronaldo money, well you could flip the coin and say we spent a huge proportion of it the year before on the likes of Berbatov, Anderson and Nani - three big signings that haven't really worked out.
So yes OBVIOUSLY we need reinforcements to our side, and yes we have been inspiring the last twelve months despite this being masked by our success but to blame this soley on the Glazers or us missing out on big targets personally I think is both blinkered and short sighted or knee jerk over reactions to the Thiago situation
Invisible Stuey
If we waste money on Garay I'll be livid. He'll be our 6th CB when we are chronically short on top level central midfielders.
Dan
Stew4d
It seems like u should be the one supporting another team, if you don't care about the team's ownership and long term future.
Maybey you already do.
Redwolf
To mufc Salford
So basically you are saying that Moyes wouldn't be interested in a younger version of Xavi available at a cut price and that would walk in our current midfield? Stop defending the undefendable.
It's obvious Moyes is trying to save face, the Eds have already said many times we have tried to agree terms with him. We need to go for someone like Modric if/when we don't get him.
Dan
It's not a done deal, but the fact pep in his first press conference said how badly he wants thiago could be the deciding factor. For his ex manager to say that would impress thiago personally. But if we don't sign him we need a viable replacement, and the chief executive and the other members of staff who handle transfers should look in depth to what they may be doing that is leading top players to look elsewhere. Its not just the manager as some people seem to think. (navas and fernandinho was sorted out for city well before pellegrini became manager). Until its come out its a done deal we should not worked up. People need to remember just because a release clause has been met does not mean a player is moving.
I agree with SSP-MUFC. In fact, we can also think that Guardiola saying bad things about Barcelona's president could also be disastrous for Bayern's pretentions to get Thiago.
Looks like we missed the boat on Thiago. It was a signing that had more value to us than to Bayern given their midfield depth, and Thiago is a bit overrated due to his lack of big time experience - only 48 starts - but still. A big problem with United, and a lot of the big Premier League clubs, is the fact that they dilly dally in the transfer market instead of making a cold hard move for your main targets. It always seems to just. hang out there lingering for weeks or months. This season it is worse because of the adjustment to a new manager, but it is still a trend year in and year out. Pick your guy and go get him. Far too much time wasted and this is what happens.
Moyes isn't trying to 'save face' he simple said he has never said thiago was one of our targets! This does not mean thiago isn't a target. It simple means Moyes has never officially declared interest in the player!
Bayerns President Sammer has come out and said it is not a done deal YET! So I don't believe the buy out clause has been paid YET!
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