Manchester United Rumours Archive January 13 2012

13 Jan 2012 21:30:15
{Ed001's Note - unless something goes wrong with his medical, it seems so. Odd when United were not going to let any midfielders go as Pogba and Morrison are almost certainly out the door. Suggests to me they are bringing someone in.

Ed001 do u think it that simple that Morrison and pogba are both out the door? U usually say take no notice to the red tops!
Djay {Ed001's Note - it's never that simple, they could beg to stay and be forgiven, there could be an injury crisis and they are the only fit players at the club etc. But both are being offered to any club that wants them, so the chances are they will be gone.}

I have tried to look further down the page but can't find it, so could someone clarify what Ed001 means by saying "it seems so"?

Rudderpost {Ed001's Note - that was a post taken from Everton about Darron Gibson from yesterday I think.}

Ed001, so are you saying in your opinion, or from your sources that both Morrison and Pogba will be sold in this transfer window?

Enigma {Ed001's Note - Morrison yes, Pogba is unlikely to go in January.}

Can I ask how you know this Ed001? I know Morrison seems like abit of a you know what but Pogba looks to be a decent lad with alot of talent.. I think his agent is just waffling in his ear so he gets the best deal possible, surely a 5k increase in Pogba's wages offered wouldnt affect the wage structure too badly.. He is one of the brightest prospects in our youth system IMO

Cooper {Ed001's Note - you can ask but I can't really say much more than it comes from within United's ranks. Pogba wants to play, it is not all about the money to him, he wants to feel like he has a future of regular football to look forward to.}

Ed001, thanks for the update, so in a hypothetical world where Pogba is given guarantees about him being given reasonable playing time next season do you think he would still leave? Or if he was given a few opportunities towards the end of this season.

Also personally I think Morrison leaving could be a big regret for everyone associated with our club. I hopeand pray.

Enigma

Enigma {Ed001's Note - I believe Pogba would stay if he thinks he will get his chance. I am not sure bringing Scholes out of retirement sent out the right message though!}

Ed001 if its the case that pogba wants to play any idea why is saf not giving him game time
Onecut {Ed001's Note - you would have to ask Fergie that question, because to me I don't see how it could be a bad thing to give him chances. Only Fergie knows that, it could be simply that he is not judged ready for the first team.}

I think the most frustrating thing is that Pogba is a clear talent and someone who could become a star at United. SAF is no idiot so why isn't Pogba being reassured first team appearances if he really is this good. Something doesn't quite add up. On another note, does any Ed have any knowledge whether we may bid for Shaqiri or is it a load of nonsense?

Cheers
Rudderpost {Ed001's Note - there is a very strong interest in Shaqiri, though I have not heard of any bid going in yet. If someone else moves for him, I expect United will throw their hat in the ring though.}

Yeah I dont blame Pogba for wanting a first team spot, if you look at the state of our midfield and he's not getting his chance.. I think he may of come on against Blackburn if we didn't concede. I'd select him over Anderson, Park and Giggs easily.
Cooper

Hey Ed,

I actually believe Pogba moved up two spots in the pecking order for a CM spot over the last couple of weeks, even when Scholes came back.

We lost Fletcher and Gibson, and I always felt Morrison was in front of him as well, just because he was a local boy.
He also has to see that Scholes won't be here for long, and the rest of our CM, apart from Cleverly, is far from certain to stay for the next couple of years (Carrick, Anderson, Giggs, Park).
Can't believe he doesn't see the Pogba-shaped hole in the middle of the park

On top of the pecking order.
I am really afraid that both Morrison and Pogba are starring SAF in the eye.
and everyone involved waits for the other to blink.
Regarding Pogba: I think the outcome would be the same whether SAF swallows his pride for once and involves Pogba, or whether Pogba signs the extension first.
Both cases he would get a lot more chances from now on in.
In Morrison's case I am afraid SAF will want him to apologize for whatever he did to incur SAFs wrath.

What about Morrison's contract? 2012 or 2014?
If it runs through, I say let him sit in the reserves and watch Pogba breakthrough, might straighten him out.
Or is he really that bad an influence on everyone else at Carrington?

Jonny8

ED001 But people on this page Have been saying that Morrison is the next big thing the future of Man United,I think even you said you rate him the academy player in the country! And now he is supposedly leaving? Where do you think he may end up ED? {Ed001's Note - I really don't know what will happen to him, he will need to find a manager willing to take a chance on him. I am not so sure he will find any in the Prem, not with his attitude to training.}

All i can say to this is if pogba and morrison were worthy of a first team spot they would have it SAF has never been afraid to play youngsters infact at aberdeen his moto was if they are good enough they are old enough so you can take it to the bank if they dont play they aint all that

Paul Scholes..

Scholes stunned football last weekend when he came out of retirement in time to feature against Manchester City in the FA Cup third round. In 30 minutes on the field as a second-half substitute, he managed a pass completion rate of 97 per cent and made a higher number of accurate passes - 71 - than any opposition player during the entire game.

This is why we brought him back.
I'm sure both youngsters understand that his incredible talent is very much needed at the moment and if Paul gets game time ahead of them they'll understand why.
Not much else to say i just wanted to share this information with you.. put a smile on my face when i read it!

Ozwald

You failed to include the bit where he was directly responsible for City's second goal which put unnecessary pressure on the whole team for a large portion of the second half.

Danny Pughnited

Scholes has still got more passing ability than anyone other the Clevs in our squad and ok he gave the bal away however Lindergaard should of held the intial shot as well. We were poor giving them too much time and space and beleiving we had already won the game.

13 Jan 2012 19:59:27
really wouldnt mind a bid for sandro from spurs??

jamesmack8

With a torn hamstring?

13 Jan 2012 19:14:43
I see Wesley Sneijder's odds to join United this month have been slashed to 2/1 and 5/4 with some bookmakers...... here we go again guys!! lol

Sneijder was odds on for a large part of last summer, getting as low as 1/8 on, theres been odds of 3/6 already this window, so this really doesn't mean much.

tm

13 Jan 2012 17:49:31
Newcastle have made an improved offer of £1million for Manchester United's Ravel Morrison

Breeno

Im not being a smart ass but I posted the improved offer at 1.30 this morning...sad I know should have been in bed but I got loads of disagrees then but I was RIGHT so there !!

Devil Dust.

13 Jan 2012 15:38:52
Lyon have confirmed they are ready to sell defender Aly Cissokho - got to worth a look at for a bid don't we think?

Ports

Good idea actually - need a leftback. Always thought Cissokho was decent - could be moulded into a better defensive version of Evra. Has all the skills to be top quality.

RedDevil92

13 Jan 2012 13:34:40
Bit confused this morning with several issues so if anyone can answer any of my questions, that would be greatly appreciated.

1. Bluntly, why could Newcastle afford Morrison's demands but not us?

2. Quotes about Shaqiri seem to be true but are MUFC in for him or is this just about upping his transfer fee. Surely he would not be filling his potential in Galatasary?

3. Pogba isn't playing in the reserves today, perhaps he will be in the squad for tomorrow with Carrick possibly having to play at CB?

Rudderpost

1. It's not about affording, it's about keeping a wage structure in place. We won't be held to ransom by a player with 3 first team appearances. If he had a brain he'll realise if he signed a contract and broke into the first team (which he more than likely would), within a year or two he'd be offered a new contract which would be worth substantially more than what he'd earn at Newcastle,

2. I highly doubt he'll go to Galatasary. A lot of big clubs have watched him and you'd expect him to go to one of the top clubs in Europe. With Galatasary making a move it may prompt other clubs into action.

3. He's been on the bench for the last 3 PL games so I expect him to be again. With Anderson doubtful and Gibson gone this may finally be his chance to get a game.

rpc

Id like to see pogab carrick and anserson as a midfield 3.

Its far too early to be drinking you know ;)

TK-Red

Wake up mate carrick any where near the pitch is a bad idea

Carrick and Anderson go missing when teams put us under pressure (nearly every game)

Anderson is a donkey and carrick only passes sideways hes nearly as boring as barry. we need to sign some creative players such as rivaldo and nedved to play with our veteran midfielders giggs and scholes.

Cheers rpc.

Rudderpost

13 Jan 2012 12:34:18
Hi Umm would like an editor to answer me please .. Sneijder was supposed top sign for us before arsenal game .. Is this true ? {Ed007's Note - There were moves to bring in Sneijder but the deal collapsed. Even City baulked at his wage demands at the time.}

What the 007 said. Some of the things he was asking for were simple ridiculous or so I'm told anyway!

United Till I Die 1987

13 Jan 2012 12:28:40
Update on Morrison, he has been denied a new contract as his demands are unrealistic, this is straight from SAF's mouth. SAF has also not ruled him out staying at the club, talks will continue.

Sydney!

I really dont understand this kid. He has the world at his feet with United.

RedDevil92

Maybe he just lacks respect? or doesn't understand the value of respect. when the biggest club in the world offer you a contract you'd probably bite their hand off, but he probably thinks it's better to turn us down just so he can tell his mates he turned manchester united down..

Apparently SAF has said his agent has been trying to get him a new club.
Agents are the poison of footballers, Lee Sharpe said in his book the Captain Marvell, Bryan Robson sorted out his new contract!
I wonder what Roy Keane would make of this kid if he was still at the club?!

Ports

Syd, you assured me there was nothing to worry about regarding Pogba and Morrison yesterday and now I'm worrying again.
I've just spilt my soup!
Dingle

It will be his agent IT IS ALWAYS F***G AGENTS....

telling him he is the best at this best at that and worth a lot more... added to this the city rumour that they will offer him 3 times what ever we offer and at his age will be very tempting...

he needs someone to tell him that short term gain does not mean long term gain and at UNITED he could become one of the worlds best....(and with this richest) this is the only club for him........



oxred

Syd! Trust me the lad is out the door. United trying to keep his recent behaviour out of the press so they can make a buck or two out of him, It would take something big for him to stay at United now!

United Till I Die 1987

I can only give my opinion and tell you what I have heard, Carrington was calm about the issue, perhaps they are worried now ;)

Sydney!

Syd, did Ferguson actually say that he "hasn't ruled out Morrison staying"?. I read what he said about him rejecting contract and it "depends in how things develop with Newcastle" but did not see that part. I may have only seen a edited version. Can you confirm this please?

Enigma

Thats crap syd ya havent got a clue people should really stop trusting his opinion he hasnt a clue be saying it for a long while now syd its friday go out tonight and try get a girl keep ya busy for a while you have been found out we all know now for sure your unreliable

How would you know about the mood around carrington syd?

13 Jan 2012 11:25:29
Apparently direct quotes coming from director of Basle is that mufc and bayern have made amazing offers for Xherdan Shaquiri! Really hope this is true

I like his team mate Granit Xhaka, Shakiri and Xkaka would be two good signings, but wouldn't pay more than £25m for the pair. Perhaps could get both for around £20m.

Sydney!

Well Syd apparently the price being quoted for Shaquiri is around 10 million! Which would be an absolute bargain. And I totally agree with you about Xhaka.

Syd,

You seem to give an honest opinion so my question is this, do you think Shakiri from what you have seen can do a job in CM or would he come in as a LM?
I posted a little while ago the I had read SAF had earmarked him as Scholesy's long term replacement and people said he's a LM and more likely to succeed Giggsy? I know that's where he has played against us but I reckon he has the attributes to play in the CM and wonder whether he is out LM for Basle to accomadate other players? (Like Scholesy did for England to accomadate Lampard and Gerrard!)

Ports

Scholes' replacement has been at the club for 3 years. His name is Anderson and he has all the credentials of being a world class player.

Shaqiri can play anywhere across midfield and as a striker. Hell, he has even played at left back for Basel and played well. He will be a excellent signing for any team. Xhaka has got a bit of a fuse on him, so i would avoid him, irregardless of his skill.

Anderson and Nani were bought as long-term replacements for Scholes and Giggs, but Scholes and Giggs have kept going and Anderson hasn't lived up to expectation. Nani was better on the right. Giggs since has been replaced again by Young. I expect Shaqiri is to replace Anderson so I guess he could be a replacement for Scholes yes. Buy making a signing of this nature it would allow us to have more cash for a striker, so could be a good move.

Sydney!

If ferguson had intentions of ridding anderson from the manchester united squad he wouldn't have given him a new contract late last season.

The man is a machine. If he starts bagging a few goals then people are going to get behind him.

Syd! Isn't Xhaka going to a German club, I could have sworn I heard his name mentioned with Hamburg? Could be totally wrong though lol

United Till I Die 1987

Xhaka is god awful... another gelson fernades if you ask me...

totally agree with the Anderson comments, few goals and the haters will start believing, hopefully can stay fit for the rest of the season

=v1=

13 Jan 2012 10:53:40
Am I the only person who thinks we should buy Ganso as he is available right now? I mean yea, 25M or 30M, but he is soo young..! And full of talents as well.. Why not? Eds/ Syd, wt do you think?

IBleedBlue

£30m is a lot of cash for a Brazilian, his wages would also be as high as £60k-£80k a week. There is an element of risk when purchasing Brazilians to play in the EPL. £45m-£50m over five years is one hell of a risk. If we had £30m to spend I would like to see it go on one of Modric, Goetze or Oezil. Or buy Moussa Sissoko and bring in a top striker.

Sydney!

I think he would rather go to Spain or Italy. And I also think that investing 30mil on a south american is a bit of a gamble as the England usually doesnt suit them.
But a great talent none the less.

Gar

Thanks.

IBleedBlue

Talksh1ts South American Corespondent was on yesterday with Hawksbee and Jacobs talking about Ganso and he said that he didn't feel Ganso would be ready for a move to Europe yet. Now, if United went in for him, once again we would have to be prepared for a transitional period for him so would United fans be prepared for that? I think he could be a talent but reading into some fans posts on here, they are becoming less and less patient!

Ports

Syd
there is money in brazil at the moment , not sure about ganso but it has been reported that neymar is on 190k a week after tax.
i read an artical that brazil football is going through something similar to what happened in columbia late 80s
jred

12 Jan 2012 20:50:40
hi ed 007 i know ed 002 has talked of united's interest in Cesar Azpilicueta and of chelsea's. If chelski were to table a bid do you think united would go in for him? thanks tom17 {Ed007's Note - No.}

13 Jan 2012 03:36:45
Hey Ed or Syd,
Either one of you guys know who is most likely to replace Evra at LB in the future?

YankSAW {Ed002's Note - I don't know, sorry. I suspect if Baines or someone of that ilk were available then there would be interest.}

Thanks for the input as always!

YankSAW

I believe Izaguirre & Alba will be on the shortlist. United have confirmed interest in Izaguirre, but I am not sure about Alba?

Sydney!

Just a thought though, if morrison is still hanging around with the wrong crowd etc. surely he would want to stay in manchester to be with them cos they're not goin to travel to newcastle or spain with him lol and he doesnt sound like a kid who uses much logic in his life, that only leaves one other option :( ....

I think Ravel wants a decent figure to snub City, but United have a wage structure and will possibly break it, but not by trebling it.

Sydney!