Manchester United Rumours Archive March 14 2012

14 Mar 2012 21:32:34
So if Berbatov is going to leave in the summer, would people take cash and if so how much? Or use him in a player plus cash deal and if so for who?

I'd imagine he'd prefer a move to Germany?

Ports

If we do not trigger his extension clause he is a free agent in the summer. I suspect we will trigger it and sell him for around £5m.

Sydney!

SAF confirmed today that we're automatically extending his contract by another year. Then pretty much said he's going to leave in the summer. Think Ac Milan were interested at some point? I've always thought Berba would be more suited to Serie A. Slower and more tactical, sounds like his cuppa tea!

Ozwald

I think someone like Villa, Stoke or Sunderland will go for him from England, but I think he will want a higher wage than they will offer. I think he will end up in Turkey or Greece.

Sydney!

I would not rule out the cash rich Russians as this will probably be Berba's last contract
ARB

He's played in Germany in the past so could make part of a deal for Shalke's Huntelaar, wasn't always my favourite but can't deny his form of late....

MMMM....i really thing that Stoke and Sunderland could afford his wages...NOT!

The person who said stoke couldnt afford the wages is wrong as stoke r the most financially secure club in the epl

14 Mar 2012 19:28:28
Does anyone have any lists of players who are free agents in the summer? I can think of Ninis, Kovacic, Hoilett & Clyne. Any others?

Sydney!

Of note to us:

Drogba, Montolivo, Chivu, Muntari, Samuel, Del Piero, Luca Toni, Amauri, van Bommel, Seedorf, Gattuso, Flamini, Abidal(?), Cuenca, Aimar, Simao, Cristian Rodriguez, Adler, Raul, Ballack, Olic, Kehl, Breno and Farfan.

I think out of all the free transfer names available, only a couple might be of vague interest to us:

Kovacic
Clyne
Montalivo
Ballack
Raul

The most interesting, apart from Kovacic, would be Flamini. Premier League experience, really good solid player, still in his mid twenties i believe. He could give us that bit of bite in the middle of the park in some games that we want.

RedDevil19

I am not sure Cuenca or Simao are in their final years. Montolivo maybe, but even for free I would want Ballack or Raul. Many are old or on huge wages, or both. I think Kovacic, Clyne & Ninis are the real bargains. All young and have potential.

Sydney!

Cuenca definitly is - these are all from 's bosman lists.

Cuenca definitly is - these are from 's lists. Clyne and Kovacic are the most exciting prospects.

But what would your thoughts on Flamini be? I think that he'd be a good, cheap addition to the squad.

RedDevil19

Isaac Cuenca's contract runs til 2015. I do not like Flamini, not a nice character. Ninis is a good player, surprised you haven't seen much of him.

Sydney!

Was we not close to signing Nini's at one point? does any one know what happened to the deal, and how he's getting on?
Out of all of them Kovacic looks the most promising and Raul seems the most likely out of the older players!
Mabzinho

Del Piero - he's good but i dont think he'll play for us.

As in sotiris ninis SYD?

we watched him couple years back didnt we?

ms85

Ninis was heavily linked to us the year Ronaldo left us i believe. Nothing has come of it since thoghh and i don't think that any interest is really there.

He is a tricky player but would probably be best off in italy (from what i know). There are better options, all be it they will be more expensive.

RedDevil19

We spoke to Ninis' father and agent over a year ago, I wounder if we told him to wind his contract down?

Sydney!

14 Mar 2012 18:11:29
Fergie has confirmed Berbatov likely to leave in summer as he can't guarantee him 1st team football

14 Mar 2012 17:41:53
Smalling is only fit enough to make the bench and, with Phil Jones not travelling, Sir Alex has revealed Ferdinand and Jonny Evans will form the heart of the defence. Rafael is set to start at right-back.
jred

When will we start having some luck with our injuries?

Sydney!

Shame Rio cant be rested for this away game but I think that could be a solid base for us on Thurs tbh

I think Jones could do with a rest too regardless of his injury

In all honesty I wont be too disheartened if we dont progress in the Europa but it would be great to win on the night and to stay clear of any injuries. That would leave us in good footing to concentrate on the PL whilst keeping our momentum going with the win

Gav

It would be good to win for a bit of pride , our rep in europe has taken a bit of a hammering
jred

Im more concerned about whos playing CM. dey dominated us cos we couldnt produce enough in midfield. Giggs had to play CM but we all know he should play their, and jones doesnt have the technical ability to play their. I hope 2 out of carrick, cleverley and scholes play in midfield, valencia if he is fully fit and young. But we have one eye on the league got a big chance to go 4 points clear weekend and chelsea will be on a charge after yesterday. plus scholes i doubt can start two games a week anymore.

Rafael, great there goes my nails again !! That lad hasn't got a clue

14 Mar 2012 10:15:19
I have a few things to mention at the minute...

1. why do people keep going on about needing a new CB ?? we have vidic to come back, evans who has vastly improved jones and smalling who are only going to improve rio who has been playing well of late and even in the worst of injury crisis's carrick fryers and vesseli can cover i mean yes we will need a cb to come in maybe next summer not this i believe it isnt as important to us right now but if rio retired or had a rapid decline then benatia would be a class buy

2. on the strikeforce now.... Is welbeck united quality ? i am not sure his finishing is atrocious at best yes he does run around but rooney drops deep so we need a goal scorer up top and i dont think hernandez is good enough either his touch is poor and he takes to long on the ball berbatov is too slow doesnt match our style of play and owen is past it and injury prone so maybe welbeck should be a squad player next season or rotate him. IMO we should let berbatov go owen go and if the right money came in maybe 20mil hernandez should go then either sign a decent striker up top like llorente or cavani with rooney in behind and will keane and welbeck on the bench or sign a attacking midfielder to fill the hole behind the striker so we can push rooney up top as he is reliable and can score plenty if given chances so maybe hazard, marin, dzagoev or someone like that could come in.

3. Left back situation .... Patrice evra whether you like it or not is not as productive as most decent left backs around and not as solid as most either at the back even gael clichy is better imo right now and thats saying something... i bwelive as he is highly rated still in europe that maybe inter milan, real madrid or maybe a french club would come calling at around 15million if thats so then maybe marcelo, cissokho, izzaguire or baines would be good replacements my favourite being baines as he can cross a ball he is good at the back can bomb forward and he is a good free kick taker and corner taker unlike nani who is so poor !

4. on to the holding midfield role with the debate being do we need a battler like martinez or a passer like modric etc .. imo i think we need a battler ut not a brute i mean a box to box midfielder who can tackle but who can get on the end of things and can finish when in the situation like martinez as we have cleverley, carrick and anderson to pass it around and ando i rate very highly maybe its just me but i think he could be class if he gets over his injury problems and looses a bit of weight he is quick left footed good feet can bomb forward i know most people hate him but i just think he can be class so back on subject the people i believe we should look at are martinez, casemiro, rodwell, huddlestone or sandro as i believe they would fit in to our team.

5. on the subject of nani a highly debated one to say the least .... i will probably get alot of stick from people saying oh he is our second biggest threat and all his assists and goals etc .... he is a winger at the end of the day who cant deliver a cross a corner or a free kick consistently and is greedy and lacks any initiative when in his own half defending ! surley people can see that or are they blind there is no excuse for it yes i love watching him when it comes off and stuff but more often than not it doesnt people say oh we cant sell i think sell him and some deadwood like park bebe kusczak berbatov and use our funds to sign a winger or bring in a younger winger and just use young and valencia bring in maybe james mclean, iker muniain, griezman, schurrle one of them to improve then eventually break the first team as i believe young is just as good as nani or better maybe nani can produce magic more than young with amazing goals etc but young can cross a ball more often than not and can still produce the goods with goals ans the money we would fetch for him i think could impprove us quite a bit.

6. on the younger player front i believe that we should be looking at kovacic, danilo, douglas costa, isco, erick torres, stevanovic, pulido and maybe jovetic i think all of these and more but im not listing them all will be class if coached right and played at the right times etc ...


so there you go everyone is entitled to there opinion so im open to views and i do listen to others so reply i like discussing my beloved united

Any thoughts Ed's? even though you proably wont read this far !

cheers
Mush !

Welbeck has been one of uniteds best most consistent proformers ya nerd! agree with majority of what else you said mind and maybe he should score more goals. good post but welbeck is united quality. 1st season in 1st team, give him a few more seasons and he will be prolific,

Cban

Like i said i love his work rate and running around and i said is he ? not he isnt and i believe he isnt yet united quality he may be in the future but all i was saying about that was maybe we should rotate him and bring in someone who is a goalscorer now like cavano or llorente etc for e a more potent attack as i think we are fluffing to many chances

I stopped reading after you slated Hernandez the lad is amazin he is a goal scorer an welbeck is so strong two different types of players if we went wit one line up all the time we become predictable

This is my first post but been reading for ages and had to reply when u said anderson is class did u not c him for the bilboa third goal couldnt be bothered to track back just wandering about outside the box like a lost little lamb i always used to like the player cause he didint give up on things on the pitch now he looked like he couldnt be bothered only want players who will give it there all

Mush
i think that was an excellent post but thats maybe because i agreed with everything.
welbeck is going to be a good player but i dont think his ready yet to be united main striker like you say his not at cavano higuain etcc.. level for me.
a rooney cavano, or rooney higuain partnership for me would be worldclass.

nani is prob our 2 most creative player but i think there in lies the problem , is the quality of our first 11 good enough i think rooney is our only worldclass player.
i like nani but to be honest i would not be to bothered if he was sold and we brought in hazard.
i think carrick is a very good player but again i would have no issues if he was sold and we brought in martinez.
this transfer window i would love us to add some real quality to the first 11 but to do that some of the established players would have to lose there places
jred

To the poster about hernandez being class ...... if you call that class your clearly blind he is good yes but class no he is not a world beater he is a poacher and that is it yes he has good games but so does everyone and he rarely does it against big teams he is always offside and has no strength or first touch he fluffs chances by taking too long on the ball and always cuts it back.... and who said go with one line up i said sell hernandez and sign a big man like cavani or llorente for heading and strength with our wingers young and valencia who can cross it would only help our game and cavani isnt even slow and then rotate hi with welbeck and another striker maybe will keane or bring in a young striker like erick torres or muniain who i think is a better striker than winger who have pace even though if we signed cavani we wouldnt have to so your point is based on that you love hernandez and are clearly in denial that he hasnt improved in fact probably declined since last season imo

2. to the guy who said ando isnt as good as i think ...... rafael was to blame for not tracking muniain on the third goal ..... yes he could of tracked back but 1 he hasnt got the pace to keep up with muniain and two he is an attacking midfielder the defence and holding mf should of dealt with that i just think that if we sold him and he ended up loosing wait and staying fit he would punish us and we would look at it as a huge mistake but like i said everyone is entitled to an opinion i dont argue against yours i just think people give him a bit too much stick when has he really been given the chance ? he has been injury prone for a while now but at the start of the season him and cleverley looked immense together i just think given a chance to get fit and have a run in the tem he could still do it against bilbao when he came on i tought he looked better than most tbh but now hes injured again apparently !

Mush

Sorry mate, Anderson is not class. He has done nothing for four seasons now and the time has come to get rid. He's overweight, allways injured, can't track back, never creates chances for other players and very rarely chips in with goals. All in all, a waste of 14 million pounds and i bet he earns alot of money at United as well.
In my opinion one of the biggest let downs i have seen at Man United!

Simmo

'jred'

Thanks ive only posted a few times ... it annoys me when people say players are world class when they are clearly not like hernandez and welbeck yes welbeck may become immense but he isnt yet and hernandez hasnt improved over this season at all and i think if we sold hernandez, nani, berbatov, evra, park and kusczak and used what ever money is available so say 75million i would love to see hazard bought in and cavani bought in hazard for the pace skill creativity and cavani as the striker that bullies defences and has got strength good heading a bit of pace everything or maybe higuain as he is a top finisher when he is playing wel

It doesn't matter how good anderson is if he cant stay fi,t his had a bad run over the last 3 year and averaged 23 games a year a lot of them being as sub.
if he can stay fit he will be a good player
jred

Simmo

he is still young at 23 and still developing you clearly jump at the gun to blame and get rid of people without even giving them a hope not every player we buy ends up like ronaldo or is as good as ronaldo when they come in he is good imo ans i think if we sell him we will live to regret it ! and byt hey way the fee was 20.4 million not 14 clearly your point doesnt matter

I think hernandez could be perfect for the solskjaer role.
we play a game based on wingers so a player like cavani or llorente i would of thought would add a real cutting edge.
jred

I agree jred it is all down to him staying fit and i think if he does then he will become a class player he shows it in glimpses here and there i just wish people didnt jump on the bandwagon so easily tbh he hasnt got a chance of winning over fans they dont give him a second thought

Agree with most of post, but Hernandez is a great impact sub who changes our style and upsets oppositions defense so should not be sold. Welbeck i agree will become a great player also, but for now Rooney should be pushed further upfront as he is our best striker (and player), regardless of whether it is his best position.
most will know by now i am not Nani's biggest fan and i really do hope we sell him and use the money to get Hazard or Gaitan, both of whom can play behind the striker as well as left wing meaning we could still use Young on the left or for cover for Valencia on the right.

Dags

Please, never write that much again! I stopped reading as soon as i read "is Welbeck united quality?". So Jones and Smalling have room to improve like you said but Welbeck doesn't? Hmmm. He's definitely one of the most complete young strikers in the premier league, he has lots of qualities i'm surprised you can't see that?

Ozwald

Not sure why welbeck is getting slated. He is not yet there no but if you have watched enough of united recently you will have seen that he has been the most exciting and tricky players to play against. The ball sticks to his feet and he's won several penalties. Hie finishing might not be there yet but he hasn't even played half a season for us yet. He's missed laods of games

'Dags'

Thanks mate someone that agrees finally lol i do think welbeck will become class i just dont hink he is at the minute and i think hernandez is overrated and while he is it would be a great chance to get 25million for him and sign cavani or someone and then rotate welbeck or sell nani and sign someone to put in behind rooney like hazard then rotate rooney with welbeck

'Ozwald'
At what point did i say he will not be class i said is he ?? and he isnt at the minute i think he might be in the future all im saying is i think we should sign a top striker like cavani and rotate welbeck and not rely on him as much

Who is slating welbeck ??

I never slated him all i said was is he united quality and the answer is no not yet simple i never said he was rubbish and and wont improve all i said was his finishing is poor and needs improving and i was saying i think we should sign a top notch striker like cavani so we can bench him and rotate as i want us to improve and i thnk to do that we need more goals and welbeck isnt ready yet

I really don't agree with Hernandez to be sold. He hasnt gotten as much game time as he did last season. He is a lethal impact sub and has shown that on numerous occasions. Anderson will be nothing more than a squad player!

Gar

What a deluded stupid post, if you actually took the time to watch Hernandez's movement you would know that hes probably got the best movement to poach goals ib europe, the lad got us 20goals last year in his 1st year and isnt doing bad this year, why youd want to sell him is beond me.

L.A.7

Mush, you're off your trolley mate, that, or you're spending far too many hours on footy manager. Get real before you post things.... especially at that length!

Mr No Name

I am jumping the gun...how much longer do you want to give Anderson??? He is not good enough, he shows no improvement in his game and the longer he's been at Man United i think he has gone backwards. Don't give me all this sh*t about him still being young when he's nearly 24.
Surely my point is means even more if he cost 20.4 million and not 14 million you pleb! Think before you write silly comments.

Simmo

The thing is Welbeck hasn't reached his potential yet, obviously because he's only 21 any monkey knows that. But he's still good enough to be in our starting XI, also how is he meant to progress and get better if you buy another striker such as Cavani? What message would that send to Welbeck? It's not like its going to take him much longer than a year to be one of the best upcoming strikers in the world if he carries on the way he is.

Also with the price tag and wages you'd be paying for Cavani you'd want him to be starting every game if he's fit!

Ozwald

Suggesting to sell Hernandez is ludicrous. Yes outside the box he is an average player but inside the box he is world class. His movement is second to none an we have seen it on several occasions he leaves defenders clueless as to where he is while they are marking him. In saying that i would love to sign Cavani but Welbeck has the potential to become a legend he has all the attributes to become a top top player if he works on his finishing more. As for Anderson i have always been a fan of him he always impressed me in the big games however he is far too injury prone. For the summer transfer market if we got Javi Martinez and either of Muniun or Hazard i would be over the moon.
Kevin

I can't believe that anyone is having a go at Welbeck for missing some chances. What do you expect from him?

He's improving all the time, thanks to SAF giving him time on the pitch. If he's in the stands or on the bench then he won't improve at all.

Also, Hernandez is actually a very rare breed these days and players like him are worth hanging on to. He's young, hungry and scores goals.
We don't have another player like him so to suggest we should sell him is lunacy.

Seriously people, you need to have more faith. Youngsters will never reach their potential without a decent number of games and that's exactly why Berba lives on the bench. Fergie knows Welbeck & Chica have big potential so it's an easy decision for him.

Glad that the OP isn't Manchester United manager

Pritpal

This post's like this is one Of the reasons why I come to this sit it Made me laugh tht the person who post this don't no his a*s from his elbow u not she welbecks build up play its very gd he's quick strong not bad in the air an cn finish he he might av missed a few but wa players dnt miss chances do they ? An be4 slating ur own teams player just check how many goals they scored an who r they higher thn in the top scoters list an to be fair ur right wid nani but completely wrong with ando he can't pass wind cant tackle an cant score so wa use is he really ? I gOt the answer useless an Valencia is our best winger Betta thn young and nani more consistent thn both an his delivery is best in prem

You've really got the hots for Cavani haven't you? He would cost a fortune, not the same price as Hernandez would generate(at least double; why would Napoli sell, they're splashing cash around like they were cocaine in the 80's). He's also been playing in Italy, which normally means he'd be sh!t if we brought him here.

I like our forwards, I like our squad, and rightly or wrongly I don't think we need much to make it great.

Martinez appears to have converted to defence? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree about the centre back thing, but I do think your logic is messed up with everything else.

With regards to Nani, I don't think we'd get as much for him as many fans would think, but I'd take it none the less.

Llorente you have got to be jokin thats got to be the funniest thing ive head all week just because you watch him against united last week and he scores a goal that is the best u can come out with seriously he is slower than berba he has no pace people go on about how fast paced the EPL is he hasnt got a chance you obviously dont watch much spanish football you have probebly only heard of him since last week LMAO JT

Llorente was made to look better than he is.He is a good striker but i wouldnt want him. J.Evans has a habit of being man handled somtimes, luk at the city game ballotelli had a battle and evans decides to pull him down. If thats vidic against llorente i highly doubt hes going to be as good. Evra i doubt will go this summer.
As for our midfield im looking at either martinez/hazard/kagawa. munian is destined for barca.lol. we shouldnt rele sell any midfielders, cos if we have da injury problems dis season i dont want a CM playing CB and a winger playing CM. so martinez/hazard/kagawa, fletcher(best big game player would have so much more to offer if hadnt had dis crazy illness last season and now a problem dis season.) carrick, anderson and pogba. pogba will not be close to a regular starter next season. probably start Carling cup games and FA cup games and some games in prem dat it. Da season after i fink he would be a regular.
With berba if he goes i dont fink we should by another young striker maybe some1 with some experience but not a huge price tag.
Park shudnt go just yet. 1. his public appeal in asia and south korea gets us fans and more money as club. 2. still need him in champions league as some players still lack experience. 3. scores against arsenal nearly all the tym, brilliant lol.
others have criticised keeping giggs and maybe scholes but then end of day if they play 30 games out of 50 or 20 games out of 50 i wont care. their experience is vital and der not exactly one of the players in their pirme so they wont care if they dont play every game.

SSP

Martinez is playing CB atm but all spanish pundits believe his best position is DM/CM. i fink the only reason he must be playing their is because hes so good defensively that their able to play him der over other CB's in the team. Its a bit like mascharano at barca hes a DM but because puyol been injured some of the time, and pique aint been the usual pique and as good, hes been playing their. And hes been doing a decent job aswell by not being a CB by trade

SSP

I agree with some; Hernandez is an average footballer but a great poacher. His overall play, touch etc needs to improve. Wellbeck just needs to work on his finishing, He's a natural footballer though. You didn't mention Pogba within the midfield, he's our most talented midfield player and hopefully will get the chance to prove it. Anderson is a liability, He's lazy and clumbsy. Some strong challenges don't mean he is a warrior on the pitch. He could be class if he worked alot harder.

SSP

I'm not denying that it's because he's good defensively, but he's a young lad and will most likely end up staying there. I might be wrong, but isn't that effectively what happened with Hierro at Real Madrid? It's the Spanish league, and they don't really have defenders but it could ruin his game, or at least make him obsolete in the English league.

I rate him by the way, I'm just saying how long can he play there and still be considered a box to box midfielder? This cannot be applied to David Luiz by the way, regardless of how many times Chelsea play him at centre back, he will never be one ha ha.

I think we should get a lb , cm , am
and the problem is solved, i reccomend erikson , markus henderson , hamsik , alaba , toni kroos for cm
am : hazard , gotze , james rodriguez ,iker munian
we dont need modric at all , leave him with spurs !
if we get 1 of each position rooney can play as a striker with wellback and hernandez and the issue will be solved
if we need 1 more striker we should get ricky van wolfwinkel