14 Oct 2010 21:16:32
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""Not even if Spurs fail to qualify for the Champions League next year after hes had a taste of it this year?
{Editor's note - I think he will stay at Spurs}""
Its a shame but if he does stay at Spurs you cannot fault his loyalty. Ed have you seen the new 16 year old United have bought? Gyliano Van Velzen? He is a left winger and will be joining up with the U18s very soon, although he has trained with Rio. He was a product of the Ajax academy but has always been a United fanatic.
He is 6ft 3" already and very fast. Have you seen him play? {ed's note - it is not really loyalty with Bale, he thinks Spurs are on the rise, he will stay with them while they continue to do well. Not so sure he would stay if they fell away from the top four places over the next couple of years. As for the youngster, I have not seen him play, yet, but I will certainly look out for him.}
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14 Oct 2010 20:30:59
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That right, you just keep on convincing yourself that you'll be fine, that's what we thought then wham we're on the verge of administration. Even though i'm a Red, I wouldn't wish on you what has just happened to us. We have been very lucky and on our way back now. I can see a lot of similarities with you, the cracks are starting to show. as much as our clubs hate each other, we both are similar, because we have both earned our history rather than buy it. . Chelsea, City. See you when we pass on your way down guys.
Sooty - Sooty lad, there are no similarities between the two clubs. Liverpool could not afford to pay their interest payments, United are paying them. Why do you assume United are going to get worse and that Liverpool are now going to turn into a decent team? With NESV in charge Liverpool are going to be a safely run business, but they are not sugar daddies, you are not going to get given 20m to spend every season, you may spend a few bob in the next two windows but that will soon fade away and when i say a few bob i mean around 20m, not 40, 50, or 100m like some of you nuggets believe.
14 Oct 2010 20:27:13
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After the liverpool pantomine, and it may not be over yet, the banks are going to get nervous and take a long look at who they have lent money to
united could be next with the amount of debt around glazers neck, they are losing money daily in the states with almost all their shopping malls now closed down, they have no liquid assets - the money they have is all borrowed and placed at uniteds front door - beware
14 Oct 2010 20:13:57
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I would ditch Park, Carrick & Gibson and put the money towards buying Bale. Would Bale be the icing on the cake Ed? {ed's note - Bale would fill the left wing slot nicely, but I doubt he will be joining you anytime soon to be honest.}
Do you mean for money reasons Ed? I see Bale as the last piece of the Manchester United jigsaw, he can play on the left but predominantly replace Evra at left back in the future. I think if the Glazers funded this final transfer then United will not need strengthening for many years.
United would just use their academy & reserves to produce players for the next five years without having to use any funds to buy players. With players like Rafael, R.Brown, Gill, Wootton, Fornasier, Massacci, Dudgeon, Smalling, Fabio, Morrison, Pogba, Petrucci, Keane, Cofie, Welbeck, Cleverley & Macheda.
Ed would net spending just 20m this year to buy those four players be so hard to believe? Especially if we would not have to spend again for a few years? {ed's note - I just don't think Bale would leave Spurs for you right now. Money is a part of it, Spurs have more free cash now, but it is more about him, I don't see him moving north, not even for United. Not yet anyway.}
14 Oct 2010 19:58:33
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But Ed what else could they have to pay 'one off' payments for? {ed's note - every time they restructure the debts for starters. Every time they use the funds in the liquid cash account they are hit with huge charges. Every time the currency rate changes. There are numerous one off charges that occur running a business, one that is operating with such high levels of debt will incur even more. I am not saying you are in immediate danger, but you are not in a strong position, you are in a similar position to Liverpool before they failed to qualify for the Champions League. What happens if you fail to qualify? That is a huge amount of money to lose.}
Ed the 47m 'one off' payment was the charge for restructuring the debt, the debt will not have to be restructured until 2017 now, the 35m we will also never have to pay again, that's 82m we no longer have to payout. We are nowhere near like what Liverpool were like before they fell out of the top four, Liverpool were not paying their interest payments, United are paying their interest payments.
Also United are in no danger of falling out of the top four, even without Rooney playing well we are undefeated this season and got decent away draws against top teams and probably should have won one or two of them. Can you seriously see both Spurs and City finishing above United ed?
That right, you just keep on convincing yourself that you'll be fine, that's what we thought then wham we're on the verge of administration. Even though i'm a Red, I wouldn't wish on you what has just happened to us. We have been very lucky and on our way back now. I can see a lot of similarities with you, the cracks are starting to show. as much as our clubs hate each other, we both are similar, because we have both earned our history rather than buy it. . Chelsea, City. See you when we pass on your way down guys.
Sooty
14 Oct 2010 19:31:39
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Lindegaard - 4m
Defour - 10m
Afellay - 3m
Ed are these decent enough signings for United? {ed's note - I think so yes, all of them look top class replacements.}
*Defour can play as a defensive midfielder and an attacking midfielder. He can play anywhere in central midfield. Can replace Scholes, Carrick or Hargreaves.
*Afellay can play on both wings and as a central attacking midfielder. He can replace Scholes, Giggs & Valencia (Short term).
*Lindegaard can play as a keeper, a striker, nah just kidding, he is just a keeper. But will replace VDS.
Editor with Pogba added to the mix and Anderson & Hargreaves back from injury would United have a decent enough midfield to compete?
RW - Valencia|Nani|Obertan|Bebe|Cleverley|Afellay
LW - Afellay|Nani|Obertan|Bebe|Cleverley
CM - Hargreaves|Afellay|Pogba|Anderson|Defour|Fletcher
I would ditch Park, Carrick & Gibson and put the money towards buying Bale. Would Bale be the icing on the cake Ed? {ed's note - Bale would fill the left wing slot nicely, but I doubt he will be joining you anytime soon to be honest.}
14 Oct 2010 16:58:19
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I have heard United are planning a 3m bid for Ibrahim Afellay in January, they were hoping to sign him for free during the summer but a bid of just 3m would be enough to see him at Old Trafford in January as the Dutch club will not want to lose him on a free in the summer.
Lindegaard will also be tied up come January for around the 4m mark. Defour will be the final signing this January, he will be captured for around 10m, so to recap
Lindegaard - 4m
Defour - 10m
Afellay - 3m
Ed are these decent enough signings for United? {ed's note - I think so yes, all of them look top class replacements.}
14 Oct 2010 16:32:57
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Possible
in january we will buy:neur £10m
in summer we will buy:ganso £10m bale/sanchez(most likely sanchez) £20m santon £10m c.wickham £5m
in summer out:
brown £4m
da laet £2m
diouf £5m
owen free
drinkwater £1m
bebe loan
park £8m
in=20m
retire
scholes
vds
neville
giggs
(next season sign dzeko)
FOR THE LAST TIME MATE, GANSO HAS A 50M BUY-OUT CLAUSE AND WHY WOULD WE BUY EITHER SANCHEZ/BALE WHEN ONE IS A LEFT SIDED PLAYER AND THE OTHER IS A RIGHT SIDED PLAYER?
OH AND DZEKO IS A SHOCKING PLAYER.
14 Oct 2010 16:23:40
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To the post below: Conor Wickham, footballing teen sensation, is a Liverpool fan and can in turn be ruled out for ever joining Man Utd. Just wanted to let you all know
14 Oct 2010 16:01:50
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Possible
in january we will buy:neur £10m
in summer we will buy:ganso £10m bale/sanchez(most likely sanchez) £20m santon £10m c.wickham £5m
in summer out:
brown £4m
da laet £2m
diouf £5m
owen free
drinkwater £1m
bebe loan
park £8m
in=20m
retire
scholes
vds
neville
giggs
(next season sign dzeko)
14 Oct 2010 15:00:53
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"There are very good results for the club with records here, there and everywhere but they are complicated with non-cash items and exceptional one-off hits, " Gill said {ed's note - that is simply not true and pure spin that the club will not be hit with these kind of one-off payments again. They just won't have to pay these particular one-off payments, not that they won't have to make more of them.}
But Ed what else could they have to pay 'one off' payments for? {ed's note - every time they restructure the debts for starters. Every time they use the funds in the liquid cash account they are hit with huge charges. Every time the currency rate changes. There are numerous one off charges that occur running a business, one that is operating with such high levels of debt will incur even more. I am not saying you are in immediate danger, but you are not in a strong position, you are in a similar position to Liverpool before they failed to qualify for the Champions League. What happens if you fail to qualify? That is a huge amount of money to lose.}
14 Oct 2010 14:31:19
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"I can never see us ever making profits because the Glazers will want to avoid the taxman so we will always break even and are profits will be taken out and put into the liquid cash account. {ed's note - you do understand that even if the money is in the liquid cash account it would still be counted as towards profit? If you aren't worried by these huge losses then I worry for you, dismissing it as a one off is a very silly thing to do.}"
Ed £101m of the £183.6m losses will never come out of the revenue again, i have seen the reports and:
£47m of 'one off' payments were paid to assist the new bond scheme.
£35.5m of 'one off' payments were paid to previous lenders for cutting the loans short.
£19m was lost in the foreign exchange.
That Ed is £101.5m that United will not have to pay out for next year.
HERE'S A STATEMENT FROM ESPN THAT ALSO SHOWS THE FIGURES THAT I HAVE SEEN.
United chief executive David Gill insisted there is no pressure to sell star players such as Wayne Rooney despite the club's big losses and described the accounts as "very good".
"We are not a club that needs to sell, " Gill said. "We have money in the bank so there is zero pressure on that, no pressure at all to sell any star player whether it is Wayne Rooney or X, Y or Z. I can categorically say that.
"There was no desire at all from anyone at the club to sell Cristiano - he wanted to go and as a result we managed to extract a world record fee. The philosophy is to retain and attract the best players.
"We have £165 million in the bank but in some ways we would prefer to have £80 million in the bank and Ronaldo on the pitch.''
Gill said part of the losses related to one-off payments after bank loans were turned into a bond, totalling £47 million. He added that if 'goodwill' losses - an accounting practice relating to the original takeover - of £35.2 million, and foreign exchange losses of £19 million (which should be recovered next year) and depreciation are ignored, United would have an actual profit of about £25 million.
"There are very good results for the club with records here, there and everywhere but they are complicated with non-cash items and exceptional one-off hits, " Gill said {ed's note - that is simply not true and pure spin that the club will not be hit with these kind of one-off payments again. They just won't have to pay these particular one-off payments, not that they won't have to make more of them.}
14 Oct 2010 13:44:45
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I will look forward to Fergies MUTV press conference tomorrow. {ed's note - mind it did take focus away from the record losses posted by the club. . }
That's true Ed, but when Fergie is asked about the finances he shuts the door on it anyway, so i doubt it as any relevance to that. Everyone knows the losses were only due to the 'one off' payments so i do not think anyone is that worried about the losses. If we cannot break even by 2012 then we will worry but i think we will break even by 2012 no problem.
I can never see us ever making profits because the Glazers will want to avoid the taxman so we will always break even and are profits will be taken out and put into the liquid cash account. {ed's note - you do understand that even if the money is in the liquid cash account it would still be counted as towards profit? If you aren't worried by these huge losses then I worry for you, dismissing it as a one off is a very silly thing to do.}
14 Oct 2010 13:27:19
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{ed's note - what was Rooney thinking by not just avoiding questions about his ankle?}
Hi ed, a different poster here, i think Rooney has made himself look a right plum, if you remember after the Bolton game, Rooney went off and immediately put ice on his ankle, so if he has not had any ankle problems then why put ice on it? {ed's note - that could have been a precaution or for the cameras to avoid questions. But to come out and contradict the manager directly was silly and not well thought out, all he had to do was avoid the question. Now he has made things awkward and caused problems where there were none before he opened his gob.}
Its obvious he is not happy about getting dropped but he must know he would never win going up against Fergie so could he be on the bench again tomorrow? To be honest, all Rooney said when asked if his ankle was okay during the game was i have been okay for two months and have not missed any training. But what ever happens i am sure we will know a lot more by the weekend, If he his smiling through training and he plays against WBA then things will be fine, but if he misses the WBA game then the papers will have a field day.
I will look forward to Fergies MUTV press conference tomorrow. {ed's note - mind it did take focus away from the record losses posted by the club....}
14 Oct 2010 13:08:24
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{ed's note - what was Rooney thinking by not just avoiding questions about his ankle?}
Hi ed, a different poster here, i think Rooney has made himself look a right plum, if you remember after the Bolton game, Rooney went off and immediately put ice on his ankle, so if he has not had any ankle problems then why put ice on it? {ed's note - that could have been a precaution or for the cameras to avoid questions. But to come out and contradict the manager directly was silly and not well thought out, all he had to do was avoid the question. Now he has made things awkward and caused problems where there were none before he opened his gob.}
14 Oct 2010 13:05:02
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This is the players i believe United will buy in January;
Steven Defour
Ninis/Hamsik (i can't see Hamsik myself but would be good)
I also think this in the summer transfer window we will buy the following:
A top keeper maybe Neuer, De Gea, Lindegaard, Akinfeev, Lloris (all have been linked with us so i expect one of them but with fergie you never know)
Rodwell (alot think he's a central mid but his actual position is centre back, so he could play either role)
Benzema (if we do sell berbatov of course)
Alexis Sanchez
I also think we will get rid of Berbatov, Obertan, Diouf.
Plus i expect Giggsy and Neville to retire, but scholes to stay one more season playing once a week.
I also would really like us to get neymar (santos striker/inside forward) and ganso (santos playmaker/attacking mid), i believe that's why we sold possebon to santos to either get neymar or ganso when they become available)
If you think im roughly on the money click believeable, if not well its self explanitory really.
UTID Since 1987
@Sorry mate but you are way off, Obertan is a big part of United's future, that was your first mistake. Berbatov maybe sold at the end of the season, especially if he keeps up his good form, even at 30 he would command a fee of around 15m, that would go towards a new striker but it will not be Neymar, Neymar has a buy-out clause of 37m and Ganso has a buy-out clause of 50m so i think you may be dreaming my friend. Also Neymar is a pain in the @rse, his best friend is Robinho so i think you get my drift?
Ganso on the other hand is professional and a very good player, i would imagine it would take a minimum of 25m to buy him, i think that is too much of a risk as he is unproven at Premiership level. But if we could get 15m for Berbatov then Ganso would be his perfect replacement.
What i would like to happen:
In:
De Gea - 12m - Jan
Isla - 8m - Jan
Defour - 10m - Jan
Ganso - 25m - Summer
Bale - 25m - Summer
Out:
Bebe - Loan
Neville - Ret - Jan
Carrick - 8m - Jan
Scholes - Ret - Summer
Giggs - Ret - Summer
Gibson - 5m - Summer
Park - 6m - Summer
Berbatov - 15m - Summer
Diouf - 6m - Summer
Drinkwater - 1.5m - Summer
Chester - 1m - Summer
Owen - Free - Summer
What i think will happen:
In:
Lindegaard - 4m - Jan
Defour - 10m - Jan
Cleverley - Jan
Bale - 25m - Summer
Welbeck - Summer
Out:
Gibson - Loan - Jan
Bebe - Loan - Jan
Diouf - 6m - Summer
Gibson - 5m - Summer
Carrick - 8m - Summer
Evra - 12m - Summer
Owen - Free - Summer
Scholes - Summer
Giggs - Summer
VDS - Summer
Neville - Summer
Drinkwater - 1.5m - Summer
Chester - 1m -Summer
14 Oct 2010 12:54:56
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To Rafa B - (Inter Fan now i take it?)
anyway
Rooney 27mill
Ronaldo 12.24mill
Schemichel 500k
Keane 3.75 mill
Cantona 1mill
Hardly what you'd call flops. . . . .
Anyway you guys will be property of the RBS soon. .har har har {ed's note - what was Rooney thinking by not just avoiding questions about his ankle?}
14 Oct 2010 12:45:52
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WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS CRAP ON THE UNITED PAGE ED!? ? PUT IT OVER WITH THE REST OF THE POOL SCUM
Editor - Is it possible that NESV have spotted a quick bargain, they will extend the stadium using sponsorship money and Brussels, spending very little money themselves if any, then bring in more sponsorship deals making the revenues much higher as would the extended stadium capacity, then put the club back on the market for double the price or treble the price?
After all none of the investors are passionate about Liverpool or football for that matter, the only reason they could be interested in Liverpool for is purely for money reasons. Is that a fair observation? {ed's note - it is perfectly possible, but they don't seem to invest for the short term and have no past record of doing so. I think they just like winning and the adoration from the fans it brings. Just ask Broughton what it is like to be a hero and you will understand why anyone would want to own a football club and have it win things.} {ed's note - the question was asked on here by a United fan, so it was posted on here. Perhaps it is time for you to grow up and realise how relevant it could be to your own club.}
14 Oct 2010 12:23:46
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Editor - Is it possible that NESV have spotted a quick bargain, they will extend the stadium using sponsorship money and Brussels, spending very little money themselves if any, then bring in more sponsorship deals making the revenues much higher as would the extended stadium capacity, then put the club back on the market for double the price or treble the price?
After all none of the investors are passionate about Liverpool or football for that matter, the only reason they could be interested in Liverpool for is purely for money reasons. Is that a fair observation? {ed's note - it is perfectly possible, but they don't seem to invest for the short term and have no past record of doing so. I think they just like winning and the adoration from the fans it brings. Just ask Broughton what it is like to be a hero and you will understand why anyone would want to own a football club and have it win things.}
14 Oct 2010 12:11:22
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United interested in Rangers and Scotland No.1 Allan MacGregor.
14 Oct 2010 12:01:07
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This is the players i believe United will buy in January;
Steven Defour
Ninis/Hamsik (i can't see Hamsik myself but would be good)
I also think this in the summer transfer window we will buy the following:
A top keeper maybe Neuer, De Gea, Lindegaard, Akinfeev, Lloris (all have been linked with us so i expect one of them but with fergie you never know)
Rodwell (alot think he's a central mid but his actual position is centre back, so he could play either role)
Benzema (if we do sell berbatov of course)
Alexis Sanchez
I also think we will get rid of Berbatov, Obertan, Diouf.
Plus i expect Giggsy and Neville to retire, but scholes to stay one more season playing once a week.
I also would really like us to get neymar (santos striker/inside forward) and ganso (santos playmaker/attacking mid), i believe that's why we sold possebon to santos to either get neymar or ganso when they become available)
If you think im roughly on the money click believeable, if not well its self explanitory really.
UTID Since 1987