Manchester United Rumours Archive June 15 2012

15 Jun 2012 22:26:16
ed 002 any truth that united have decided against modric and baines due to transfer price
jred {Ed002's Note - I don't know of any changes this evening. It is really rather early in the summer to be disgarding players from the thoughts of a club.}

Cheers ed
jred

Edd002, any truth in the rumour that I AM KLOOT has transferred to the Liverpool site, where his negative slant will fit in perfectly?

DodgyBanter

15 Jun 2012 19:39:40
I am just wondering where all this Pogba talk has come from? Or has some unnamed poster said something and a few others are commenting?

Also, Modric or Cabaye have to be our main options. Cabaye has really shown his class, we will have to pay good money for both but i think that one of them is an absolute necessity. If neither players are on SAF's list i will be amazed. Alan Pardew really found a gem in Cabaye for just £4 million. I think that for £20 million we could get him or we could go for Modric at £30 million. Both would be money well spent.

With the signings of Powell, Kagawa and probably Henriquez, lets finish off the summer with Modric/Cabaye, Baines and then hope that Pogba signs on too! That will see us have a fantastic squad.

RedDevil19

According to the pundits on ITV one did mention that the Newcastle scout / head scout has been granted a job for life, not sure if its tongue in cheek but feck who ever it was has been awesome for the Geordies

Pardoe {Ed002's Note - If memory serves it was an 8 year contract.}

I think Cabaye was easily signing of the season last year and would offer us a CM'er we need but can also push on and cover CAM better than Mods imo.

His package (financially ;-) would be less than Mods in both wages and fee so would help with our rebuilding in other areas needed this summer as well.

Lets get him!!

Jono

Yes, say we have 50 million, we have spent about 20, we could get Cabaye for about 25 million I expect now. That leaves a bit of budget left over, but with the 25 to 30 million that Anderson, Park and Berbatov could raise between them, that could pay for Bale who would be iceing on this summers cake.

RedDevil19

So who is going to pay £25-30 million for anderson,berba,park?

anderson - 10 million (if we are lucky)
berba-5 million (if we are lucky)
park-2 million (if we are lucky)

all 3 are basically "flops"....

And while im at it..what has modric done to prove a 25-30 million price tag? ok so hes the name on everyone's lips.....but did Joe allen not catch the eye more on a footballing sence?...personally i think he did..im bald,beer belly,no first touch..but i wouldnt cost anything to sign,i would play for nothing..and id also bring the half time oranges...fergie fergie sighn the fat T**t up!

Can't honestly say that Park has been a flop. he's done well since at the club and not complained once when not selected. he works his socks off each game too.

melwing28

I'm sorry, but I really can't agree on modric at 30m being money well spent. Yes of course he is a good player, no disputing that, however my concern is his severe lack of assists and goals as a creative, advanced midfielder. His ball retention, dribbling and short passing is superb, but is this what we really need? My opinion would be no. I think we need to be spending the bigger bucks on a stong defensive mid such as M'Villa, Strootman or third choice L Diarra. With the remaining budget I'd ideally like Cabaye and left back cover, BUT I stress NOT Baines! He is too expensive, and don't rate him all that much.

Sydney's Mother

15 Jun 2012 16:58:43
Nico Gaitan is reportedly Ferguson's back up choice if the deal for Modric is not succesful... Only saw him a couple times last season and he looked decent but not sure if he would be well suited to the Premier League. Will have to wait and see....Fergie knows best

fearny

Read man utd are interested in Greek right winger Torosides?

Why would gaitan be a back up to modric when they play in two different positions?

TRUMORS

Why would SAF's backup choice for a CM signing be somebody who plays LW? That makes no sense...

T0MB0Z

TRUMOURS.... Gaitan can either play out wide or through the middle

fearny

Fearny that is true, but kagawa will play in the middle.... modric would have sat in behind him and then a dm in behind him....

I do not think gaitan could play at cm in a 3.....

oxred

Kagawa will not play CM... you have obviously never seen him play, his favourite position is in behind the striker and he can play out wide left... He used to play CM when Dortmund first signed him and they moved him quickly out of it because he was bullied out the game defensively

fearny

Fearny

How many times have you watched Gaitan play in CM? did he play well there? Whenever I've seen him he was playing wider

Gav

15 Jun 2012 16:56:50
Pogba stays ! With recent Juventus signings he's better placed with UTD.....David Gill will announce new 4 year contract to start from July 1st

Where have you heard this? good knews if that is the case i guess but not sure how the fans will treat him after the way he's conducted himself? gready little tw*t...

andyred

Andyred,

Show me a quote from Pogba where he has said he wants more money or that he wants to leave? He has always given 100% for the club and has not said anything, has actually conducted himself very well.

GDS

Have to agree gds, it's pogbas agent who's been touting him about pogba came out in December I think it was and said he wanted to break into the first team, IMO it his agent who has tried to sway his decision and you can't blame the kid for going if he wanted first team football, personally I think he could be what we need in the middle next season


Dwright

Totally agree with gds... his agent might have said this or that but pogba got on with it and played well when ever given the opportunity......

now lets look at another example... Hazard... now here is someone that likes to do his talking in the media...

if pogba does stay that is a Massive boost..... quality player for next 3years at least and only costs the wages........

oxred

Hope pogba stays , would be one of the best signings of the summer ! fozzy58

Blaming the Agent is the easy way out... Ultimaetly comes down to what the player wants and if he wanted Utd that badly he would have signed by now... He will be gone

fearny

Another angle for the debate people!....if Pogba is committed 100% to United, wants to play for United, but his agent has been swaying him....why doesn't he get rid of his agent?.....of course he just wants more cash!

Steve the red

Steve the red & Andyred

Totally agree, he employees the agent he could have killed this 6 months ago.

Sack your agent, if you want to stay or go if you don't, and put us all out of our misery.

Fergie knows what he is doing and someone will come through the door as soon as the euros are over.


A

To gds- why would he be in turin then??

andyred

Who cares about Pogba anyway. He looks good when playing with boys and hasn't done a thing with the men. If he stays, he'll have to prove loyalty as well as ability. I don't care if he stays or goes.
Mik

GDS, firstly let me state clearly that I hope Pogba stays, secondly, and as I have said before I think his behaviour has been a disgrace, using his agent as an excuse is lame! Is he ultimately a youth team/reserve team player, albeit an exceptional prospect being very naive and wants to go wherever he will in the most money in the short term, of course if he is a success with us he will earn a lot more in the long term!

Enigma

At the end of the day, Pogba has not spoke of the transfer! All he did was state his desire to play for the first team more, he hasn't said anything about his agent or the money either club were offering. It comes down to GUARANTEED playing time, he thought he was/is likely to get more playing time in Turin than Manchester, but if the recent reports are true about him being in doubt since the signing of Asamoah. His agent was/is getting paid a lot if he gets Pogba to move to Italy but Pogba still has the final word on what happens. It's not about the money he'll be getting he's so young has not even established himself yet he doesn't want money he just wants a chance.

Ozwald

Ozwald

Sorry don't agree.

He has to prove he is good enough either at Juve or ourselves. If he is bothered about a signing at Juve he ain't going to be to impressed by the signings we make this summer which will only make it more difficult for him to get regular football.

I come back to the fact he could have killed this months ago but it feels like he is
holding a gun against our head and that won't be allowed.

Oh and I suppose the money won't hurt, but of course it isn't about money.

A

Fair enough Pogba didn't say anything about wanting more money and not even much about wanting to leave tbf but an omission can be just as bad as coming out and doing something.
United fans only want players young or old who shout from the rooftops that they want to be at the club and nip any situation like this in the bud before it has a chance to get to this point. He's a good prospect - that's all. There are other players who are still amongst our academr and reserve ranks that have been there for ages and are content to wait for their time - Reece Brown springs to mind.
Common sense should have told Pogba that whith our midfield in the condidtion it's in his time would come sooner rather than later, instead he's allowing his agent to talk for him and jump the gun - or it's a tactic to pressure Sir Alex. Either way it's a naive and audacious and should he stay he'll have a lot to prove. Should he go - on to the next.

Pogba is leaving for juve fellas 2m a year plus bonuses one of his mates told me the deal, he got offered double united offered him

15 Jun 2012 10:40:37
The press are linking us with so many midfielders at the minute, i thought it might be helpful to pool the main rumorus together with updates on situations from what i know/heard/read.

Kwadwo Asamoah: He has gone for a medical at Juve and will sign early next week. Pogba has still not made up his mind, Asamoah's signing has become a bit of a stumbling block as it threatens Pogba's place.

Wesley Sneijder: His performances have rejuvinated our interest slightly and the question will be asked to Milan if Anderson is to go there. Probably not likely though as Kagawa is taking up his favoured position.

Luka Modric: From my knowledge a £25 million bid has gone in and is being considered, i'm not sure this is why Redknapp was shown the door. Modric will leave Spurs this summer and we are the favourites. PSG will offer Modric more than we will, but i am fairly confident he will sign for us. If Bale becomes available I think we will try to take him also.

Thiago Alcantara: He is the back up option of Modric does choose PSG or possibly Real Madrid. His price would be 25 million EUROS, so thats just under £20 million which would be good business, however any deal would not include a first option buy back for Barca. It would involve a clean split between Thiago and Barca.

Kevin Strootman: I think is purely press generated, he is not the new Keane, and i don't honestly think he is all that good (especially if van Bommel gets in a team ahead of him). He has only made the step up to PSV in the last year and has been playing decent football for a year. What is more likely is that he will replace Fletcher next season if Fletcher can't regain fitness, but no move will be made this year.

Yann M'Vila: I think Arsenal will get him, but we do have outside interest. For me though he has too much baggage and is a little overrated.

Javi Martinez: He is all our favourite, but with Barca/Madrid sniffing his signing has been made even more impossible. He would cost closer to £40 million, something that we would not be prepared to pay.

Yohann Cabaye: An excellent player who up till now has played well in the Euro's (indeed he has only played one game). He has excellent passing skills, he has a bit of bite to his game, but Newcastle would charge us through the nose for him. Probably between the £20-30 milllion mark which prices him out of a move as he is simply not yet worth that much.

So, that is basically the closest rumours surrounding our club in terms of midfielders. Out of all of the players it seems as though only Modric and Thiago are viable options, as is Cabaye. Out of all of them I would put my money on Modric. Kwadwo has gone, Martinez is too difficult to get, M'Vila has too much baggage and Strootman hasn't proved his quality for long enough.

RedDevil19

Fergie would slap the baggage out of M'vila haha and everyone keeps saying M'vila is a United fan so surely any bid would tempt him.

1redarmy

I have a sinking feelin that we will agree a fee with rotten ham for modric and then right at the wire Chelsea will Match it and modric will move there instead to stay in London.

"From my knowledge a £25 million bid has gone in and is being considered"

Care to elaborate?

Martinez would be the perfect but will stay in Spain and when the big clubs start calling there he will go. I would love Sneijder and MVila dont think Modric will come to us as he semms settled in London so Chelsea seems his destination plus they have just won the champions leage and will bring in quality players with the budget they have. Dont see any of the rest on the list coming plus Fergie would not take any bull from MVila if we puchased.

Damian M

Am i the only one who would love Sneijder at UTD. I know he has had a bad season, injury wise, but his performances in the Euros and against Germany who are one of the best teams, shows he is fully fit and playing well. I believe he offers more of a goal threat than Modric, and can play anywhere in the midfield (seeing as Kagawa has the role he prefers)
Just wish he would drop his insane demands.

I would love M'Vila and one of Modric/Sneijder....

with Kagawa in there too we would have a fantastic mid 3........

if he moves to arsenal, I would expect them to challenge next year..

Oxred

I think i'm going to upset a few people when i say this but I think Modric is better then Sneijder. He's not as flashy and his impact is less obvious but i'd gladly take him over Snejder any day of the week.

TRJC

I agree that Sneijder would be great unnamed poster. He'd be up their on my list.

And secondly, a friend of mine who is a Spurs fan believes that a bid has gone in. I'm not one of these people who takes much notice of 'sources' as i have never believed one of them. But something rings true to me about the bid for Modric, but then again i am probably completly wrong.

RedDevil19

It's not only a question of who we would like to have, it's a question of how much cash will be made available? Anderson 7m, Berbatov 7m, Macheda 2.5m, Norwood 1m, plus 2 million for the lads who have gone to Leicester = 19.5m and possibly 2.5m if Park goes 22m. So 20m would be roughly correct for sales plus 25 -30m from the Glazers so that would give us up to 50m. Kagawa 12m down and Powell 2.75m down leaves us with just over 35m. For that the best we could do is M'Vila 20m and Dembale 14m, or Tiote 15m Marvin Martin 12m and Willems 8m. Or my favorite M'Vila 20m and Martin 12m. My least favorite would be to splurge the lot on Modric. Of course if the Glazers gave us 40m them Modric 30m, M'Vila 20m and Cissoko 8m would be my choice.
Mik

RedDevil19

At last someone agrees with me about Sneijder. I like everyone else got swept away with the hype last summer and was gutted when he didnt come. Then thought we had a lucky escape after his season, then seeing him at the Euros made me think.. what if!

I am also impressed with Modric, his ball retention is up there with the best, but he isnt as forward minded as Sneijder!

Sambo

As much as i appreciate Sneijder too, think he is still one of the best midfielders in the world. After us signing Kagawa, Sneijder will not come in.. too much money spent on alternating two players. Modric is likely, i think he'll want to join us over Chelsea if the option arises. He's a football man not a money man and he knows fully well that there is a much better opportunity to do well at United rather than Chelsea.

Ozwald

"Of course if the Glazers gave us 40m them Modric 30m, M'Vila 20m and Cissoko 8m would be my choice."

I'm assuming you meant 60mil, yes?

Getting both Modric and Sneijder would be one hell of a statement of intent and would leave us cover for injury/rest to either player.
Remember how our back 4 looked oustanding until it was devastated with injuries last season? Would hate the same thing to happen to the midfield this season.
Mr Q

""Of course if the Glazers gave us 40m them Modric 30m, M'Vila 20m and Cissoko 8m would be my choice."

I'm assuming you meant 60mil, yes?"

I'm guessing he meant £40m + the £20m made on transfers as stated in his post, yes?

Gav

RD19,

When you say regarding Sneijder "his performances have rejuvenated our interest slightly" I think perhaps that's the case with some fans, not sure it would be the case with Fergie/Gill. I dont see him coming for 3 reasons 1) risk of injury 2) high cost 3) Kagawa is a younger, cheaper player who plays the same position

From your roundup; my ideal summer in terms of midfield would be to keep Pogba (I'm not one of these to say 'good riddance') and get Modric. I think they could make a great partnership in the future to sit behind Kagawa. In the mean time I would play Carrick and Modric, with the possibility of using Jones or Fletcher on occasion to add 'steel'

Gav

15 Jun 2012 07:51:28
If the rumours are true and we are looking into snapping up Thiago from Barca then I can only imagine any attempt to negotiate a deal for Modric is dead. Looking quite clear Utd do not want to pay more than £25m for a top quality midfielder and my guess is Levy will want £30m and more for his man.

Langers

Would Thiago be good enough to carry our midfield though? I know Modric will.

1redarmy

I think Thiago would be a brilliant addition. a midfield of Thiago, carrick, cleverly and scholes is pretty strong IMO. It ll probably take Thiago and clevs six months or a year to get into the role but i am quite sure come Jan 2013 this midfield will be awesome. Carrick at his age is perfect to play around youngsters who can take over in a couple of seasons. Fergie loves Carrick and he WILL be in the starting 11. If we buy mod any young player will drop behind Mod, Scholes and carrick. Buying a youngster and giving the younger ones more time with only Carrick and scholes ahead of them will make more sense.

I know some people will say we need immediate improvement. thiago is a very good improvement to playing Giggs n park in the middle. and he is not too far away from being a first teamer. He can get so much better than Mod in two years time.

Trident {Ed004's Note - You seem to have forgotten Kagawa the AM he will be in there somewhere}

Thiago's a very good young player would be a great buy
jred

Ed004, i think Thiago will be great in a busquets sort of role that some people are asking MVila and strootman to fill. I agree he is a little bit different but can rotate the ball really well and can also fill in as AM when required. i am a big fan and my opinion maybe biased cos of that but given a choice between a 28M Modric or a 22M Thiago, i wud take Thiago. {Ed004's Note - I don't think he is physical enough to defend in the premiership. He might get away with it in La Liga}

Sorry, forgot to put my name in on the last reply..
Trident

Why would we want Modric when we have signed Kagawa?

Modric and Kagawa are completly different. Kagawa is an attacking midfielder who plays off of the striker and Modric is a deeper central midfielder.

RedDevil19

Modric isn't a Kagawa type player unnamed poster. Do yourself a favour and watch a bit more football ;)

1redarmy

15 Jun 2012 00:03:00
Think we should sign kyle walker at correct price hes better than rafeal dont think he will get to walkers standard but walker might be over priced cause hes english think we we need a creative midfielder and Fischer from ajax young lad looks class what do use think ? And possibly defensive mid m'villa personal favourite of mine.

Sick of this kyle walker talk, he is just a fast rb, he is no better a right back than theo walcott is a striker