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16 Jul 2012 20:43:56
So with Marco Verratti apparently joining PSG for 15million euros, I was wondering, were United ever interested? Looked to be like a Scholes type of player, and ideal replacement. So yeah, was there any interest?
16 Jul 2012 18:46:00
why are united after this moura they need central midfielders, not speedy wingers also he don't look any great to me..
Because he has the potential to be a truly world class player eg. Ronaldo quality.
He isn't a winger he is a CAM
tarrant77
19 mate, he's 19! Can you remember anyone who could dribble like that with a thunderbolt of a shot when he was 19, I can but just one....Ronaldo.
Red Joe
He can play as both a CAM and as a winger.
I worry how Everton fans like you can leave a statement like that. Lets say he is better than Fellani. That will make you open your mouth and say COR!
Ronaldo couldn't dribble like him at 19, yeah ronaldo was mint but this kid is on another planet heel be world player by the time he's 21.
MUFC1990
His not as good as Neymar
jred
The point is, it doesn't matter how good he is/might become or whatever, if we don't fix the central midfield we're not even going to challenge for the title.
If we spend 30 million on Moura, there's no chance of getting in a decent CM.
Thorne
Guys that's paper talk,we all know we need a midfielder even my grand's can see that.if we have £34m to pay for lucas why don't we buy moutinho or modric for that kind of money and stop all this headache? we have to wait for the same excuses they used for the past 5 years.no value on the market.
ferdcoast {Ed002's Note - It is really not that simple - what if Modric wants to go to Madrid?}
I agree with the first post, i don't think we need him, we need top quality central midfielders.
He plays right midfield where we already have Valencia.
Fergie has already said that Kagawa will play in the hole behind Rooney so this must mean that he will take Valencia's spot on the right wing and i personally think Valencia was our best player last year.
This kid is "POTENTIAL" and lots of you have logged onto YouTube, watched his 10 minute video and now think he's the best player in the world.
Can somebody tell me where he will fit in?
Simmo
Has Fergie said Kagawa will be in the hole? I've been trying to see if anything like this has been said to work out who else we might buy.
At the beginning of the transfer window I'm normally really excited; we get linked with loads of players and I get outrageously annoyed when we don't get them. Baines? Really? I couldn't be less impressed and Moura isn't coming, we all know that, it would be a huge gamble that might pay off but our club doesn't do that to this degree. Also at what point did Moura become more highly rated than Neymar or Ganso?
Jack
Don't know what Moura is like tackling and with his distribution but maybe the plan is to transform him into a holding midfielder.
Andrew B
Hope fergie gets this kid, if it means he has to stop taking risks like on bebe obertanrated for a couple of years then on that basis he has to worth a punt, as a manu fan this kid is just what we need, i want to see us play with speed and freedom again
16 Jul 2012 19:12:44
Can't understand all this negativity towards Moura and £30m price tag involved being a gamble. Yes it is but isn't every transfer? Veron, £28m, proven at every level but couldn't compete in England, berba for £31m, now as good a player he is, not lived up to that price tag. We have to realise that whenever Utd go for a player the selling club always take the p1ss.
Langers
Agreed. Not just Man United transfers too. 30m transfers probably have a 30 to 40 % chance of not justifying their transfer fee when u think about it.
Shevchenko, torres, crespo(chelsea), ibrahimovic, kaka, dzeko, carrol, denilson are ones i can think of.
Personally i think moura is a good idea. He is higher risk than many of the other transfers we are looking at, but, he is also higher reward. Moura has the type of ability that could mature to a 50/60m level. The type of level that rooney is at now for example, rooney of course was also 18 when we signed him for 30 million.
Taking a risk on Moura would be one of the ways we could have a decent chance of getting a player that could reach that level in a few years time. Moura may be 50/50 between hitting 50/60m, or, ending up a 10m player. Someone like gaitan might increase to 35 or 40m if he does well, or go down to 20m if he dosent. If you want someone that can become one of the top 5 players in the world for 30m, I think you need to look at players with huge ability levels that are still very raw in ability, nowadays. Players like falcao, pastore, hulk etc. are now worth 40m plus, and they are still not amoung the worlds very best.
Couldn't agree more. We spent £7m on Bebe and never even took a look at him ffs. If this lad is as good as press reports suggest and has the potential to be one of the best players in the world then we should go all out to grab him, at 19 there'd be plenty re sale value
Langers
Part of the negativity is because we need a central midfielder so much. If we spend 30m or more on Moura, there's no chance of us getting the central midfielder we desperatley need.
Missing out on such a vital type of player to spend the money on an overpriced, overhyped gamble (not saying he's not good or anything, but the way he's been hyped is way ott) is going to get people wound up.
16 Jul 2012 18:35:20
We won't get Moura. I think our business will be done once we get Baines. I still don't think we're in for Baines but everyone else on this site seems to think so?
United Till I Die 1987
I dont think we are neither mate, cant for the life of me see why we would be.
SC
I hope we don't buy baines too old to mould now and not a good enough defender for a team at our level. I would love moura but I am not confident he will put pen to paper !
Your post doesn't really make sence. In your opinion our business will end when we sign a play that we won't sign?
Red Joe
I was against the Baines interest, but I really want Evra replaced and this would do it. Apparently the Baines movements/noises are going to start picking up over the next week. We'll see I guess.
Sydney!
With you Syd on this one. The more I see of Evra the more frustrated I get. Think epl are sussing out that he's our weak link now and at 31 he's not gonna get better
Langers
Frustration with Evra shouldn't mean we spend £10m + on a player that isn't that much better and as pointed out, not in the flush of youth.
Pip
NO valu e in the transfer market.
ferdcoast
Baines should only be an option for a club like Man Utd if he is cheap - less than 10mil.
Personally I was disapointed to see Fryers go
Red Joe
Sorry poorly worded, what I meant was I think our business is over. Was more in relation to United aren't after Baines. We are by all account trying to get Moura, I can't see it as Sao Paolo will want silly money. If we do great as he's gonna be a very good player one day. Raw and missing that final ball but that will change at United look at Ronaldo, no end product when he joined United look at him now.....
United Till I Die 1987
16 Jul 2012 15:51:47
A Question for ED002 are all these rumours that Lucas Moura may join for £33 Mil true i seem to recall you saying Chelsea had 2 bids turned down 1 was reported over the £30 mil mark so are they now willing to sell him i suspect Inter Milan may also make a move for him? {Ed002's Note - The situation with Lucas Moura is complicated and it could drag out all summer and come to nothing. Chelsea made two bids earlier in the year and Inter also made a bid in January. Real Madrid looked to a deal involving another player going in exchange but that came to nothing. His agent would prefer a part ownership deal with Inter. Manchester United remain interested in the player but probably not at a price that is acceptable to Sao Paulo and I expect their bid would be unacceptable. I would not discount any of the clubs, nor would I discount him staying until the end of the year and discussions starting again in January.}
United have bid 30 and they want 36 thats true.
Hi, this is a post for Ed002..
Can you repeat what you just wrote (^^^) on the OP's post, not sure I quite caught what your thoughts are about the Moura saga... Thanks.
Also, what are our chances of signing Nessi, Ronaldo and Pele from the 1970's please, in percentages please.... Thanks.
DodgyBanter {Ed002's Note - The situation with Lucas Moura is complicated and it could drag out all summer and come to nothing. Chelsea made two bids earlier in the year and Inter also made a bid in January. Real Madrid looked to a deal involving another player going in exchange but that came to nothing. His agent would prefer a part ownership deal with Inter. Manchester United remain interested in the player but probably not at a price that is acceptable to Sao Paulo and I expect their bid would be unacceptable. I would not discount any of the clubs, nor would I discount him staying until the end of the year and discussions starting again in January.}
16 Jul 2012 15:18:55
Hi Eds,
Just a quick question if these links with mora are true would you suggest this would be similar to the hazzard deal ie a replacement for nani i think you thought at the time? Would there be a possiblity that moura and a centre midfilder and a left back be signed with nani and a few others going out?
Would like your views on were you feel personally we will look to add players?
thanks,
Darren the red
16 Jul 2012 12:43:08
ed02. if around do you happen to know if m'vila is due at arsenal today for medical.... a lot of talk about this on their forum...
they also seem to think that they may be getting Muniain and Alfrey...... do you know if arsenal are in talks with athletico & barca regarding these players....?
I would love to see M'Vila & Muniain at utd......
Oxred {Ed002's Note - No idea if he is there for a medical today, sorry.}
No big player is going to join Arsenal with their best player leaving
fearny
16 Jul 2012 16:44:44
report in the merseyside papers today that not only liverpool but everton as well have had meetings with the council safety team and will cut our away allocation.everton will be less 200 tickets,and liverpool will cut our allocation from 3,015 to 1,965.
johndenton
Then lets make them have less support at old trafford.
JK92
Put them up in tier 3 north stand, it worked well with the Villa fans last season, although i think it means a lot more stewards needed. but you could hardly hear them from the west stand.
Mitch.
Yeah 74,000 of us watchin utd smash the liverfools sounds like a gd idea, also utd hav helped everton on a few occasions over the past few years.....saha, gibson, pnev to name a few for peanuts moyes must still b bitter over rooney and utd transfer which made him, 20m for baines laughable
kyhughes87
Why try to stop the Everton fans coming to Old Trafford ...Didn't hear much shouting last April at Old Trafford from the home fans ...United 4 Everton 4 ...just a whisper ...Well well ..and along came City to take the title ... Was such a pity Baines Didnt play !!
16 Jul 2012 15:59:21
no josh king or reece brown in tour squad, could this mean they are going on loan?
Loans or being sold. I imagine both loaned with view to permanent move.
Sydney!
16 Jul 2012 12:46:20
My sources understands that man united will meet Lucas Moura and his family as well as the club tomorrow to agree a deal of up to £34m for him sth up to €46m. The deal Is going to be agreed as the player is going to sign a five year contract worth 125k a week. Agent fees is going to be a problem but has man utd are the only club in for him that wouldn't be a problem. David Gill is due in Brazil to seal the deal. Inter Milan drops interest has they cannot offer that much for the player. Expect the deal in the next 72 hours, and remember me for this.
Chidubest!
A 19 year old is gonna get 125k a week? cant see this happening myself
cantona's legal team
There is zero chance that a 19 year old kid who has never played in a decent league is going to come in on £125k a week at United. Would never happen my friend. I think he would be offered what Smalling, Cleverley, Welbeck, Jones etc will be on and that is around £40k a week.
Sydney!
Yes, because tomorrow we'll all be saying Chidubest is a clown.
G.A.G.U.S
I thought he was in England for the World Cup?
fearny
Yeah yeah yeah...what a load of crap!
Until a player is stood on the Old Trafford pitch holding his red shirt up for the camera's i don't believe anything.
And can you tell us where you got your "INSIDE INFORMATION" from??
Simmo
Would love this to be true, but I just can't see it happening, especially at those wages!
RedDub
I can't ee Moura costing 46m either. For that amount, I am sure Sir Alex would rather sign 2 proven midfielders.
James.
Agent fees is going to be a problem but has man utd are the only club in for him that wouldn't be a problem
Make up your mind - is it a problem or not?
I really don't want us to sign this kid. I'd be gutted with this. He could be a world-beater in 12months or he could fail to adapt in which case we've wasted A LOT of money that could've gone towards strengthening our weakest areas.
I admit, I haven't seen much of the kid and I don't do Youtube lookups. Where does he actually play?
And why are we going to spend this much money, on someone who may not even play much this coming season - we need game-changers NOW, not in 12-24months time.
RED_SKY
Syd.... He is almost right on that behalf... Lucas Moura is demanding 80,000 a week
fearny
Well would t what he gets from us be in conjunction with what he is on at his current club ? and if ur being honest he is better at 19 than any of those players u just listed when they were 19
Dio
He's worth every penny. Still not convinced this will happen though...
T0MB0Z
RED_SKY
He's going to be top class.
G.A.G.U.S
TOMBOZ
So you would be prepared to spend 46 million EURO on a player who has played a handful of games in Brazil.
Everyone is judging this kid on clips from Youtube.
Tim Vickery who works as a journalist in South America says that this kid is well overrated and worth nowhere near 40 million because he is so inconsistent.
Don't get me wrong he may turn out to be a world beater but what if he doesn't, that's a hell of alot of money and lets face it we are not exactly in a healthy position financially.
I would much rather spend a little more and get two players in like Eriksen and Moutinho or M'Villa or Strootman.
I think we have enough attacking options now with Nani, Valencia Young, Hernandez, Rooney, Kagawa and Welbeck.
We won't pay that much for his wages due to his age and not being proven. If we were to sign him, I see us paying around the mid 20's for him along with instalments. This will then allow us to pay upon what he does achieve at the club, along with being able to offer a new contract half way through if he is performing well.
melwing28
Where this info from sorry dont belive u.our only signin will b baines but i think we should look at ganso or sneijder or even m'villa
OMG.....inside contacts! Really who? Half of the UTD team wont even know who we are after. Yet people with waaaay to much time on their hands are privy to what SAF and Gill are doing?
I have said UTD will not sign Moura and then say their is no value in the market.
I think this is all mis-information coming from the club.....46M is alot of money but where did that figure come from? who told the press that was the figure? I'm saying its all dribs and drabs of mis-information from the club to then claim......."oh we bid for him and him and we bid this much or that much". Then Utd can claim we have money but the player had his heart set on somewhere else.
In short we wont sign any BIG name players for BIG money.
This lad IS a game changer.
His skills with the ball at feet are unbelievable, he is 2 footed can take free kicks and head the ball reasonably well.
Sign him!
The kids gonna be massive one of the best would be worth 125,000 a week so without question he will earn more than cleverley smalling jones because the marquee players command the big wages
So
34m in siging on fee...
32.5 m in wages..
the odds and sods so lets so 70m....
think we could get Martinez & Muniain for 50 m on 4 year contracts at 50k each per week which is 70.8m
just a thought..
Oxred
No Name- he wont cost us E46mil - but tbh I'd say he's worth it if only to prevent him going to one of our rivals. I can see him going for around £28m + add ons which to anyone watched him play a few times would be more than a fair price.
I read Vickery's blog - and it's a joke. The only time he's ever called a quality player is after they've set the league on fire and are already being linked with Europe's top clubs. This guy couldn't find a clown at a party...
You say you'd rather sign 2 players - but the ones you've listed would be equally risky in terms of how proven they are and for the most part about as expensive. Moutinho and Eriksen will sell for about £25m and M'Villa £20. Strootman would be a little cheaper - but he's half the player Moura is despite being 3 years older.
I go back to my earlier post in saying that I can't see us signing Moura (or anyone over £15m for that matter) - but he would be worth breaking the bank for if we had the money and the balls to take what would be a very minor risk. Class is class - wherever you are in the world.
T0MB0Z
You think a 19/20 who has only played in Brazil, is coming to the premier league and will be on 125 grand a week at Manchester United? Your living in cloud cuckoo land. United wouldn't pay a youngster who has no PL experience 125 grand a week. United just don't work like that. Plus Moura won't be joining United ;-)
United Till I Die 1987
Can I just ask why united would be agreeing a price with his club in euro's when it would be a deal between an english and brazillian club,neither of them countrys use the euro {Ed007's Note - The South American sides have been dealing in euros recently due to (a) much of their business being done in the Eurozone and (b) issues with the US$ which was used traditionally as the currency of choice - and still is for many transactions.}
If it's to be believed that we offered Hazard the best offer out of us, City and Chelski - it would seem that United may in fact now work like that...
Hazard has no EPL experience and although he's 2 years older doesn't look as good as Moura does.
If we were to sign him he wouldn't be on £125k/week - but £80k/week? Sounds about right to me in todays climate...
T0MB0Z
He would command a high wage coz the brazilian league pays quite well anyway there economy is good, he wouldn't come for 40 a week his club could pay him more than that, between 60-80 a week sounds about right for me.
marlow
16 Jul 2012 13:21:45
is it true that bebe has been given parks old squad number? If so doesn't look like he's getting sold. I think the bloke needs a proper chance. Keep him in the squad till christmas then loan or sell if necessary.
People need to wake up, Bebe was loaned to Besiktas with an option to BUY. It's clear that the club are willing to sell Bebe if they can get some offers for him. You cannot sell a player without a buyer. We need buyers for Berbatov, Anderson, Kiko and Bebe if we are to sell them.
Sydney!
Bebe is the worst player (if you can even call him that) to get a game at Old Trafford - seriously. If he is getting a squad number it is only to mitigate in some way the whole shabby deal with Jorge Mendez that is currently being investigated by the authorities.
Bebe was NEVER a serious purchase but a means to an end 7million - sight unseen! and the fact is - he is totally rubbish
Tell you what's hilarious. Bebe gets farmed out to Turkey on loan, with a view to buy.
People start investigating his transfer to United, and all of a sudden he's got a squad number:
"Look, nothing dodgy here, he's a valued member of the squad"
RED_SKY
People same to forget that bebe was just your average joe, living off the streets playing for a small unknown team in portugal.....fergie did mention he had a raw talent that needed developing.
Basically he has shot up as a nobody to someone playing for the biggest club in the world, in a different country....im sure everything was a bit strange and surreal to him.....i reckon the guy does have potential and if he gained some confidence it would really help him with his progression......
would love it in 2 - 3 years time if he became one of the best players in the world haha
i highly doubt it, but ya never know lol
Robbo
Wasnt Parks old number 13, doesn't bode well for Bebe...
Del boy!
Faie enough if he has raw talent but a club like ours competing in the premier league cannot afford to be a testing ground for that. Maybe carling cup but the best situation would be to loan him out again. But tbh, if Besiktas didnt want him then he cant be very good.
16 Jul 2012 09:42:24
Eds, what do you think our chances are aff getting Khedira and RVP as the 2 signings SAF said we might still get?? {Ed002's Note - None whatsoever.}