Manchester United Rumours Archive August 18 2011

18 Aug 2011 21:12:37
Here's something i just found, basically sneijder has agreed terms of about £190,000 a week (250k was what he was earning, he said he'd take a 60k pay cut) however inter now don't NEED to sell because eto is leaving, so if wesley wants a move to old trafford he'll have to issue a request which i'm certain will happen in the next few days.. Not only does he want to join manchester united, but he's the perfect player for us final piece of the jigsaw as it were and fergie knows it. Not only that but his fit a** wife wants to move to england, to further her career on english tele now lemme here you say YEAAHUHH

www.click-manchester.com/sport/manchester-united/1213975-manchester-united-target-sneijder-agrees-terms-but-must-demand-transfer.html

Ozwald

'Oz'

Sneijder has never earned ��250k a week in his life. In order for United to EQUAL what he is currently getting at Inter, we would have to pay him ��190k a week. If it's true and he is willing to lower his demands, it will be around ��160k a week I would imagine.

Sydney!

I wouldn't be to sure about Eto'o leaving just yet, Inter are playing hard ball. They want no less than 30 million Euro's and so far have been offered 22-23 million. This transfer will take alot of time. Every player in that Inter squad theoretically could be for sale. Inter need to pay off debts to be make sure they are within FFP limits. I'm still confident Sneijder will be a United player, be patient............BELIEVE

United Till I Die 1987

18 Aug 2011 21:03:20
So come on, has the fact that United have cleared out almost 10 first team squad players, with possibly more to follow and failed to sign this midfield galactico got anything to do with this Singapore Floatation ? Interesting times indeed.

No we have spent more than we have sold this summer

Also who are the 10 first team players and dont so VDS scholes or neville because they retired we would have kept them if they decided not to retire brown and oshea was needed so the young defenders would get more games who else has gone and reserves that never properly played first team do not count like chesters etc

Even if this did happen, i cant see how it would effect the float

People buying shares like to think they are making a good investment. Leaving the club weaker than last year wouldn't make investors more likely to buy MU shares. In fact buying 3 or even 4 or 5 new players would make MU shares an investment likely to bare a decent premium.Your argument is redundant.
Mik

Yeah i agree with Mik, in the past when we were a PLC the share price would always rocket when we strengthned the squad not the other way round. This is why i think that any big signing may be done on deadline day to make it as close to the date when they release the shares as possible, so as to boost price of the shares and the popularity of people buying them.

Andy B

18 Aug 2011 20:11:47
After all the WS carryings on over the past weeks. I DONT even want WS at United now, knowing he's putting money first I'd much rather have Mario Goetze at the club

Early'b

I don't totally agree with that when you say he's putting money first. He's not asking for more money than he's earning at Inter is he? If he was asking for 50k more a week then you'd have a point. You don't hear of many footballers taking a pay cut to move do you? (unless they are going to get a longer term contract somewhere else or they're really unhappy). So to be honest why should he take a pay cut, he's at his peak. If we cant afford him then we cant afford him, simple.

Andy B

No one on this site knows what's truly happening with the sneijder saga and now feel that what has been announced in the last few days re this flotation on the Singapore Market will be having some bearing on the potential spending of 30 odd million pounds.

WS has apparantly agreed to knock 60k off his original wage demand, if this be true then fair enough, I say go for him but having said that this Singapore floatation thing has got me a little nervey, whats really going on behind the scene at Old Trafford I wonder.... HERBIE

Herbie now we are seeing the Real reason why he has cleared out almost 10 first team squad members from last year with possibly 4 more - Gibson / kuscak / diouf and Berbatov still to follow. Unbelievable

I was watching the news earlier and the impression I got was that this could be a good thing BUT, heres a senario - Lets say this floatation brings in 500 miliion (just a figure) the glazers are saying this is gonna be used to pay off some of the debt (good) to lower payments but what's stopping the glazers only paying 250 million off the debt and saying thank you very much as they put the rest in there sky rocket.... Something aint adding up with this.... HERBIE

You dont actually know what hes asking for - youre just believing gossip.

How do you know he's putting money first united havent said anything , neither has sneijder or Inter regarding him putting money first papers just saying it cos a deal hasn't gone through , if you want to believe everything the paper says then carry on in your fantasy world

Ok we are all believing gossip..... Hold on its been confirmed that WS has lowered his wage demand.... HERBIE

Im sorry HERBIE but when was a newspaper quoting an un-named 'source' confirmation of anything. Im not saying its not true but it certainly is not confirmed.

Andy B

How can you say he's putting money first............ Wes wants a similar sort of wage to what he's on at Inter (after tax). Would you leave your job on say ��20,000 a year, to go to another one for ��15,000? No of course you wouldn't you'd be silly to do that. People have to remember that this is their job and is a short lived career unless they go onto coaching or television afterwards. Don't get me wrong if I played for Inter and had the chance to go to United, I wouldn't care how much the money is/was, but its all well and good saying it when your a fan and not a player.

United Till I Die 1987

@United Till I Die 1987
How on god's green Earth can you compare the whole Sneijder/wage saga (if it even exists that is) to someone working a 'normal' job? There comes a point where you earn more money than you could do anything with, to someone who's already been on a contract as lucrative as Sneijder's going from what like 200K a week to 150K a week or something won't make THAT much difference to his every day existence because he has all the money he should ever need, someone going from 20K to 15K is completely different, because in that situation the extra money will make a fairly sizeable difference to your life as a whole. What I'm trying to say (very longwindedly, apologies) is that if he really wants to join United and he's not willing to take a pay cut to do it then do we really want him? This is coming from me, and I'm a massive Sneijder fan and would shave all of body hair off just to have him, but if he's greedy (which I hope he isn't) then we'll give someone else a chance. Simples.

Redman17

@Redman17
I understand what your saying, but these players are advised by agents who want the best for their clients as it's better for them (money wise) the more money their clients earn. Also irrelevent of what money a person earns, you always want more its only natural. Money makes the world go round.

United Till I Die 1987

18 Aug 2011 19:43:29
Does anyone think that maybe Fergie knows snjeider wants to move to Utd.

Maybe he is desperate as Utd could easily afford his wages. However it has been reported that snjeider himself has dropped his demand by 60,000 a week. I think maye Fergie and UTD are trying to get him to drop his wage demands even more, and maybe get him for £28 million.

I personally think this has been a careful and clever ploy by Fergie. It would make sense. I know people will read this and say not another snjeider story/theory which i can understand but i think what i have said seems reasonable and not far fetched like other people suggest with potential onging transfers.

With this one i think the ball is firmly i UTDs court.

You're telling people things we already know, its in the papers about WS lowering wage demands so we all put 1 n 1 together and get 3.... HERBIE

Utd may be waiting for Sneijder to hand in a transfer request as noted elsewhere that with his 60k drop in wages could make all the difference
So its only a good ploy if he joins us really

Pardoe

18 Aug 2011 19:16:02
Papers - Wesley Sneijder will take a pay cut to force is move through to Man United.

Too late now Wes You had your chance when Fergie offered you a 5 year deal worth £140,000 a week before pre-season.

18 Aug 2011 18:40:21
This is to Ed Or Syd??

Can you please update me on the possible takeover of United by the Qataris or the Kuwatis, and if and when will a takeover be done please??

Adam {Ed002's Note - I doubt it will be this week or next. As I have explained on a number of occasions I suspect the financial answer resides in a different solution to a take over by any of our friends from the Middle East. I am trying to curtail much of the financial discussion as it seems many football fans struggle to grasp much of it and it becomes frustrating to try and explain.}

18 Aug 2011 16:41:17
Apparantley wesley sneijder must make a transfer demand to Inter if he is to come to united. Inter now will only sell if sneijder puts in a transfer request and that sneijders representatives and united are in talks about lowering wages.

18 Aug 2011 15:39:36
It would be amazing if United acquired Gotze and Kagawa for our midfield.

18 Aug 2011 15:34:37
Diouf 6m, i would rather give him away waisting a space on the bench

I agree strongly, Id be delghted with say ��2.5m for him (I'm sure Leicester would buy him + he's Championship class at best)

18 Aug 2011 15:02:46
In response to Moon's post regarding Cleverley and Goetze, I'm afraid I have to disagree. I'm a strong believer in bringing through the youngsters and can't wait to see Pogba, Morrison and Cleverley, but at this point in time, I believe Goetze is a better player than Cleverley as well as being 2 years younger. At 19, he's become the lynchpin in a Bundesliga title winning side - one of the stronger leagues in the world - and is now a regular in one of the best national teams in the world. Ask anyone who knows anything about German football and they'll tell you that Goetze is a special player. Can we say that yet about Cleverley?

The acquisition of one more youngster is not going to stunt the growth of those that are already playing for United and I can't help but feel that this kid is going to be one of the very best in the world one day. I just hope he does it at United rather than Madrid, Barca or Chelsea.

Matthew...

I have to say that disappointment doesn't even come close. Three players in - DeGea, Jones and Young, all pretty good players but nothing to keep Pep Guardiola awake at night. None are yet regular full internationals and Barcelona strengthen by buying Sanchez and Fabregas Sorry, but if Utd are serious about challenging Barcelona they will need to purchase three or four world class stars not a handful of potential youth players. Fergie won't see another CL Final before he retires on this evidence."

18 Aug 2011 13:37:19
Today, there is a lot of talk about Goetze joining us or potentially joining us.

Well in typical Gan style, I wonder if Cleverley was called Cleverdinho we'd be writing him off as being a 'kid' still with no experience.

I think Goetze is brilliant and would be a welcomed addition into our squad, however if Cleverley was somewhere else I believe we'd all be going on about signing him.

To me, We United fans suffer from a defect of Wanting what we can't have, and losing interest and belief in what we do have.

A midfield player is needed, but I don't think we need Goetze as in my books, Cleverley is just as good.

If we sign any midfield player this season, I would like it to be either Sven bender from Dortmund, IMO he's part of the reason that Goetze has been successful.

Or, Milan Badelj for Zagreb, Took the place of Modric i believe and has been just as good for them as Modric was.

Even with those two said, I wouldn't really be too bothered if we signed no-one. I believe we need to strengthen, so do most on here but that is what we think whereas Sir Alex knows what does and does not need doing, and I'm sure whatever that may be he's out there doing something about it.

The Moon.

The Moon.

I agree with you Moon; we dnt need flashy players, we need someone who can do the job.

ONE UNITED

Tbh it's not that simple, cleverly has ability and much to learn, gotze at this stage in time might have better ability but also still a lot to learn.. we don't need flashy players you're right but what we do need is players with winning experience, this is why wesley is the top candidate.. with paul scholes retired, giggs won't be playing much.. it's not all about ability (although wesley has buckets of skill and ability to make you WOW) ;) and skill, experience is one of the most vital things in football I think we shouldn't be looking at gotze, cleverly is young so gotze would almost cancel him out at the club if he joined, i see a lot of sense in signing someone of wesley sneijders calibre, if no one like that is availiable then i don't think we should spend

I dont think Cleverley's quality is an issue. I think consistency is what he lacks at the moment and while that will come with experience I think we could do with another attacking midfielder to rotate with Cleverley. Anderson isnt THAT type of player, Sneijder looks unlikely so to have Cleverley and Goetze rotating would keep them both fresh and give us options if one suffers a dip in form. I would say lets give Morrison a go but what is going on with him is anybodies guess.

TK-Red

Moon, after what happened in '09 against Barca, we could have said "Sir Alex knows what does and does not need doing, and I'm sure whatever that may be he's out there doing something about it"
Well, he didn't do something about it and we ended up with a 37 year old and a 36 year old in our midfield against the best passing team in the world.
I'm hoping it was the Glazers fault we didn't strengthen, because if it wasn't their fault it bloody well was SAF's fault.

J Bones.

This aboutsolute tripe, goetze is far better than cleverly. cleverly does nice little combination passes but im yet to see him split open teams through precise through balls or a scholes like long range pass. goetze has far more strings to his bow and even scores goals, he can run past people, whip in fantastic cross, provide and score himself..and hes 19-20 we wouldnt be looking at signing cleverly. If there wasnt a quoa telling us we needed a certain amoun of squad players i dont believe we would be thinking twice about filling our team with the vast erray of foreign talent out there.
bart

I haven't seen much of Goetze about 6-7 games where he as looked exceptional but I can't help in thinkin' if Cleverley was say, at Bolton or Some foreign club we'd be on here saying sign him up, I don't think they are worlds apart, and Goetze maybe better. I just don't think having Goetze would improve us at this moment in time, although having him and Cleverley next to eachother will provide us with that passing ability we so desperately need for.

As for J bones, I think Alex is working with the resources he has, if he see's Pogba for example and thinks in 2 years he'll be world class, or we can spend ��80+ Million on Sneijder then he'd develop Pogba, and IMO he'd be right for doing that.

When we lost to Barcelona '09, it wasn't a case of being outclassed it was a case of not turning up. We were poor they weren't great. in '11 final we were outclassed, now Sir Alex has a choice on his hands, splash out ��100+ Million on world class players for a few years, or have a good chance with what we've got and wait for Ravel, Tunners, Pogba, etc to mature properly...and I think he's doing the right thing.

The Moon.

18 Aug 2011 11:51:08
WE have to be careful as a CLub, as we don't have the money to compete with City, but our big problem is that when we enquire about a player who is worth 10-15 million it usually gets doubled
Fergie is carefully considering his options as to who he signs.

City seem to have a nasty habit of getting involved/acquiring players were interested in.

So we look to av missed out on Nasri. Hr had a very good season last year when in the middle, but i think a DM maybe required as we only have Fletcher. Carrick is no DM.

Pogba hopefully will be given a few PL games, probably off the bench to bed him in slowly along with CC games and some FA cup games.

Now is a time where Fergie is testing his youngsters as we can't go around buying top player year in year out as we will never develop our own players.

Not at all, that would only be the case if we have not tried to bring someone in, but we clearly have. If we don't bring in a central midfielder, it's because a deal couldn't be struck, not that we haven't tried or that we don't need one.

There's still a long way to go so lets wait and see.

Sydney!

U said Fergie is *testing* his youngsters....suppose they dont live up to expectations? Plan B?

Thats why Im saying we need at least one signing, if not two. I would prefer one experienced head in midfield to guide the youngsters....we really need Fletcher to hit top form I think we have missed him...and as I said earlier I think some of the solutions we need are lying with Park....he is creative but has been seemingly forgotten.


ONE UNITED

I'm sorry, can't go buying top quality players year in year out? what are you on about sonny? Manchester United don't work that way, however i think personally myself that this window needs to be an exception purely because barca rinsed us in the CL final 3-1, they have bought TWO actual WORLD-CLASS players so will get better or stay the same..

WE NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP. with quality.. not just about bringing youth through for years to come..

Its not about TOP QUALITY players who cost a fortune, its getting the right players who fit our budget & our principles

ONE UNITED

18 Aug 2011 11:38:50
Herry Redknapp could selll Modric for money to improve the team and is in talks for Diarra from Real Madrid. How much is this true and how much is Modric worth?

'Arry would be dumb to let Modric go...although if they get Benayoun, Kalou plus cash then I think he will go for it

ONE UNITED

How about making modric stay after monday night and making berba and carrick get on the spurs bus... throw in a couple of match balls and think harry would be ok... {Ed007's Note - As long as the balls are autographed, he will make a tidy profit on E-Bay, better than him on E-Harmony anyway I'd reckon.}

I like that one; if Chelski hvnt done anything by then then I reckon we hve a good chance of landing him


ONE UNITED

18 Aug 2011 10:55:21
was on the united web site looks like we where never in for nasri
" Le Parisien report that Samir Nasri had dinner with his pal, QPR's Adel Taarabt, and confessed that his preferred options were Barcelona, Real Madrid and United. However, contrary to some reports, the Reds never started talks with Arsenal, let alone made any offer. "United were not in the race and the two Spanish clubs were not interested either," says the newspaper" cut n paste ino but jst shows you cant listen to the media .

Le Parisien is part of the media you claim we "can't listen to". Do you really think they would be able to obtain quotes from Samir Nasri at a dinner with Taarabt?

You said you can't believe the media, and have gotten suckered yourself..BY THE MEDIA.

"but jst shows you cant listen to the media"

Yet you're taking what Le Parisien report as the truth?

Matthew...

Haha f***in fruits the lad has jst said he copied n pasted it from the united web site ... why is every1 on this site so quick to try humiliate people lol and did it really take 2 of yous to correct him

What i ment by you cant trust the media is that they give us 2 completely different story's ssn was sayin he was our top target and they are sayin we were not even interested

18 Aug 2011 08:14:16
The Red Revolution is underway and we are at the start of what will be two years of profound change . Here's why :

Phase 1 . The clear out this summer with yet still more to move out. This will have massively reduced Uniteds cost base and as we know, lowered the age of the squad.

Phase 2. There will be new , huge, investment into United and Phase 1 will have been done to make United an even more attractive proposition.

Phase 3. End of this season will see the end of Rio / Giggs / Owen / Carrick / Evra and possibly Vidic. Huge reduction on Uniteds overheads

Phase 4. Sir Alex will retire and move into a board role .

Phase 5. Mourinho will be the new boss. Why ......?
A. He wants the job
B. His relationship with Sir Alex
C. Minimal impact in back room staff
D. I think Sneijder was being bought as the Captain of the team that will be built by Mourinho, after their Inter experiences. Some of you will recall when Erikson was going to take over from SAF and how we had bought Veron in readiness for this.
E. Will the money being saved by both the clear outs and the new investment he will have a HUGE pot of money to build his own team and create a new dynasty.

United will have been planning for SAFs departure for years and we are now starting to see signs that it is beginning to happen . Forget most of the Tosh we have read this year, the investment has been in youth and the major work will be undertaken next summer, when hopefully we will be waving goodbye to SAF with a few more trophies.

Watch, wait and see.

What a load of oul BS. This comment is so unbelievable its shocking.

Don't think Mourinho can ever be united manager, he loves Chelsea too much,said it himself.

Alex wont go yet and mourinio will not take over as manager heres why
1. hes foregin and man utd dont hire foregin managers
2. he likes to spend big money on big players instead of bringing youth into the team
3. he dosent help develop the youngsters or give them 1st team football experiance and they never get given a chance under him
4. he wants a big budget to spend evrey year
5. plays too defensive
6. most players he buys turn into flops or play poor just ask kaka and shevshenko
7. after last nights incedint i doubt any team would want him
our next manager will be out of the following moyes, cantona, blanc
your have been herminated
THE HEMMINATOR {Ed007's Note - Cantona? Mate I said the other week about Neil Lennon as a laugh, but surely NL has more chance than The King?}

Makes total sense - APPLAUSE - Been saying the same for last two years. Even David Gill went on record recently to say 'the succession situation' was already planned for

carryonvending

Why the hell would we want mourinho he us a disgrace. I would rather have David moyes.

Hemminator

If Man united dont hire foreign coaches then surely u wud realise that ur theory is wrong, u put their next manager wud b Cantona or Blanc? Didnt realise that them 2 wer British? Correct me if i'm wrong tho United's next manager will more than likely be Mourinho like the original poster said, he wants the job and although he loves chelsea that doesnt make a difference (take Mark Hughes as an example?), he see's himself as the biggest manager in the world and he wants to manage the biggest club. If its not him it cud b Guardiola. I wud take either 1 of them 2

Big Mac

And for the record, Mourinho didnt sign Shevchenko or kaka, I remember his fall out with Abramovic because he didnt want Shevchenko and it was Perez who signed Kaka for Real Madrid before Mourinho was even ther. Pellegrino was the manager.

Big Mac

Ok i just realised my mistake there about foreign managers but cantona and blanc to me are english coz theyve played in england and know the english game well if they were still playing they would have british passports 4 bein in england long enough so they are not froeign to me yes mourinio spent time in england but he never played in england and ed i reckoin the king will become a fantastic manager just u wait and see 4 me tho i wud luv to see moyes take over hes what we need hes alot like alex
THE HEMMINATOR

Hopefully wave goodbye to SAF?? I don't care what we win this year, it would be better if he was there beyond the end of the season

I think sir Alex wud rather pep guardiola to succeed him, great manager and young

Nice to see my post created so much interest and discussion. We shall see in 12 months whether or not I am correct but do believe that all the signs are in place for a major transition. We are starting to build for the next 5 - 10 years and doubt that SAF will be around long enough to oversee this. This was always going to happen it was just a matter of when and all the changes that have been made will make it so much easier for Fergies successor.

Apologies, for my last last line it was meant to read that we will be seeing more trophies . I will be truly sad to see Fergie go, he has created a empire that has made the last 20 odd years simply the best and I idolise the bloke

Finally, on this subject what do you think Wayne Rooney was promised 8 months ago when he changed his mind about leaving the club ? He was, I believe, given a insight into United's plans for the next 5 - 10 years and the role he has to play in this .

All part of the masterplan.

WOW, I really hope the first and fourth post authors are 15 years or younger, otherwise I'm saddened to see such idiotic united fans Ridiculous comments.

I didn't realise this had turned into a cookery website The above is a recipe of guesswork, conjecture, flights of fantasy and rubbish. A recipe for.....yep you guessed it, total BS
I really can't be bothered to start as to why it is utter tripe other than to say that this is a rumours site, not one for some person to spout his ill informed ramblings.
1) Clear out we sell players when they reach a certain age, nothing new there
2) United always reinvest heavily in the infrastructure or playing staff.
3) This is the same as point 1 isn't it?
4) He will retire at some point, but it won't be to the board in a functional role as he hates that side of the game.
5) Here's why not.
A. He never stays anywhere for more than a couple of years, UNited understand that stability is essential.
B. SAF has a much better relationship with his dentist than he does with Mourinho, but I don't think he is being touted for the job
C.Mourinho will rip out all the staff and put his own in, all top managers do, it's in their contracts
D. Mourinho plays defensive boring football just like we don't
E. The sums saved are not that significant as the older players get put on lower wages and pay as you play bonuses so there won't be huge savings.

Nuff said now be a good boy and go and play FIFA on your xbox.

Well said mr poster that is why im against mourinio i said he was 2 defensive and agree with you about alex coz he has said himself when he retires he will not go on the board
THE HEMMINATOR

18 Aug 2011 07:21:23
Am I the only one who can't see Welbeck being a future CF for Utd. His first touch is poor, the ball constantly bounces 5 yds away from him and his conversion rate from chances isn't good. He is nearly 21 and looks miles away from the likes of Chico and Sturridge at Chelsea. We need 4 quality strikers, so lets cash in on him, also Diouf (looks more assured in front of goal) and Berba (if SAF only sees him as a sub). Owen is still a great finisher, but injury continues to affect him. We can sign an AM to create chances but we have to score them, Rooney and Chico can't play every game. We need both an AM and a goalscorer to share the workload.

Anyone doubting my comments on Welbeck's conversion rate watch Scholesy's testimonial, inside 6 yd box first effort saved and with keeper on the floor he headed it over, also put through one on one he was caught by the olympic sprinter Cannavarro, nearly 38 yrs old. In the same game Diouf, 2 chances 2 goals.

Although technically he may not yet be very good, physically he is immense. He has the pace, agility and fitness of a commenwealth 400m runner, and if he can improve his finishing and first touch, he could be a quality player (henry-esque) in my opinion.

No your not the only one that thinks welbeck doesn't have a future at united he's over hyped i also think evans is as well there's a boy in the reserves called will keane he looks better than welbeck

Sounds like you're basing what you know or what you think you know on one single match? Welbeck is of better quality than diouf, he played for sunderland last season starting most games, and funny enough steve bruce made inquiries to keep him and sunderland aren't a bad team.. diouf however failed to stand out at a less talented attacking blackburn.. and has recently played for Uniteds reserves while Welbeck is playing alongside rooney, who do you think fergie sees as a better striker? because you can't disagree with fergie now can you?

Im glad im not the only one who thinks this about him... I call him bambi on ice I much rather Mecheda more to his all round game. Would be happy to take 10-12mill for welbeck.

When he first broke through I thought he looked liek he could be immense. I do think he is worth persevering with, he is strong and pacey, but he would certainly be a 4th choice striker at best. Cant really compare him to Diouf as seen so little of him

As an earlier poster mentioned, I would certainly say Evans is way overhyped. Has had a loss of form to be fair, but both Smalling and Jones look miles ahead of him for me, I'd much rather JOnes came on at centre back than Evans put it that way

Re comment on basing thoughts on one game, well lets recall his first team appearances, last week, the ball continually bounced off of him, the Community Shield, best I have ever seen him play, can't comment on last season as never saw him play live. Season before he made a few appearances, just watch the Leeds cup game, more of the same, ball bouncing off him etc, before that he played in the Carling Cup final, fell over when put through alone, so sorry sir not based on one game at all.

As for saying he plays with Rooney now, I guess you think Darren Gibson is a top top player, after all Fergie has picked him to play in the same team as Rooney many times.

As for disagreeing with Fergie, that is what makes football such a great game it is a game of opinions, what counts is supporting whoever wears the shirt regardless of whether we think they should be playing.

Someone mentioned his speed / physique etc, well Ussein Bolt has both but I wouldn't want him up front for us and if at nearly 21 he hasn't got the technique I very much doubt he ever will.

While I think there is an outside chance Wellbeck may make it at OT. I think Diouf and Macheda are not prem players, let alone United men.Wellbeck is indeed a good athlete,quick,agile and has endurance. Macheda is an ordinary player and not a very good athlete ta boot. Diouf is quickish, but is knackered after 45m- minutes. He's Blackpool level. Worth ��3m - ��4m Macheda is worth maybe a million more for the memory of his goal against Villa. I think we should keep Rooney, Chico, Berbatov and Owen. I think we should just strengthen our midfield this season.
Mik

18 Aug 2011 00:49:46
A lot of hope being put on anderson and cleverly what do people think can these two make it right to the very top and be not just best in england but europe,
just for a guide ozil is the same age as anderson and a year older than cleverly goetze is 3/4 years younger who do people think are the better prospects
jred

Martin,M'vila,Ganso, are all younger then Cleverley and Anderson
Mik

Mik
so what do you think are anderson and cleverley good enough or should we be looking at the players you mentioned
jred

Cleverley will continue to improve,anderson needs a big season or i think he will be gone next year but neither of these 2 are what you would call creative and both havent got a long passing game like scholes.as good as they are or could be there not the type of player to take the game by the scruff of the neck and win us the game.

I'd give Anderson the year to prove himself but the more I see of him the less I think he is good enough.
Cleverly is an AM, and will be brilliant at it.
Goetze is going to be spectacular.
M'Vila is the player we need more than anybody else. He is the player no-name talks about taking the game by the scruff of the neck.
Nobody ever mentions Sahin? Real Madrid got 2 possible future greats in Sahin and Varane this summer.

J Bones.

Hasnt Anderson started really well this season though? I have always maintained faith in Anderson after such a promising first season. Whether it is injuries, attitude or whatever he hasnt really progressed, but for me he has as much talent as all these young names being mentioned and unlike them in my mind he can defend and attack in equal measure. Sure Anderson has frustrated the last couple of years, but he is potentially as good as any of the names mentioned if not better, Goetze is the only one remaining potentially better now Pastore has gone to PSG.