Manchester United Rumours Archive May 18 2012

18 May 2012 22:12:30
Ok interesting news here.... apparently Hazard WAS at old trafford at some point today, although this is most likely a primary meeting (like Kagawas), and im sure he will be doing/has already done the same thing at the Etihad. Fingers crossed on this one! Lets hope history and prestige prevails over money and greed!

UNITED_LEGENDS

18 May 2012 21:25:08
I've read some of the posts about people complaining that hazard has too big an ego for united, well not like cantona and ronaldo didn't have egos! Not saying Hazard is fit to shine their shoes but the potentials there if fergie moulds him right. Hope he does choose united over city he could become a united great rather that just one of many money chasers over at city

He's actually not come out and said anything yet that slightly suggests his ego is big, all he has stated that he is going to be playing in Manchester (Basically a fact). This is the press spinning it into a frenzy.

Andy {Ed007's Note - His ego is massive mate, he talks to the press more than the PR guy for Simon Fowell on Britain's Got 4X All Factories. He is still a great player right enough, but I am thinking more Balotelli ego (oohhh look at me...) than Cantona ego (you are not worthy to look at me....). I'm no expert on Hazard, I'm already sick of hearing about him. I wish Sneijder was still a target.}

If he can do half of what Cantona produced, which would be half more than what Balotelli has produced then its a rightly placed ego. To me Hazard is moot, I haven't seen enough to make a real judgement. If Fergie can get Sjneider to go as long as Scholes then why not hey!?

Andy

Classic response Ed007.

J Bones.

18 May 2012 20:10:33
Rafael has been called up to the Brazilian squad.

Sydney!

18 May 2012 19:02:37
i promise, i am not a bulls**tter.. the glazers have told me directly that the flotation will bring in 1 billion quid on a sale of only 25% of the club share, allowing the glazers to maintain the controlling interest.. this will relieve all debt and add an additional 700 million to the clubs pocket, they are not set on taking that money for themselves but rather reinvesting {Ed004's Note - They will not get anywhere near 1 billion for 25% of the club}

So 4 billion total value for the club that was only briefly valued at 1 billion a few years ago.....

The debt alone is over 450 million and that doesn't count the mystery of the PIKS. Not 300 million like you seem to think.

And what would they do with your left over 700 million?

Gross debt stands at £423.3m

PIKs are not our debt or our problem, but I am sure the Glazers will still look to pay off the refinanced PIKs with the IPO money.

They are looking to float 35% of the shares for around £600m. It maybe difficult to achieve as the shares being offered are silent. The shareholders will not have a say about the goings on at the club.

Sydney!

I smell bulls***

cantona's legal team

As Del Boy would have said ... "What a PLONKER!"
Mike B.

Cloe to 450 though Syd. And the PIKs may not directly be our debt but there is still the mystery of how they got paid and yes they are bound to use anything they get from us to pay that off.

We will sell 24% for around 550 million. 150 million of debt 320 million for the Glazers and 30 million on transfers.
mik

Starting a conversation with "I promise I'm not a bullsh**ter", tells a story in itself. It's like a racist person starting a conversation "Im not racist......but".

What a load of mullarky!

Andy

'mik'

We won't get £550m for 24% mate. Also what happens to the other £50m?

Sydney!

So ur saying united is worth 4 billion ? lmaooo

dio

Recent Forbes article named Manchester United as the worlds biggest sporting franchise and cited the value of the club at $2.24bn meaning a 25% share worth approx $550m.
Signs for a potential widespread banking collapse could obviously change such numbers.

I'm sorry but you know absolutely nothing about football If you think we're going to get £1 billion for selling a quarter of the club! £300-£400 million possibly but £1 billion no bloody way. If you honestly think Manchester United is worth £4 billion then quite clearly your a few sandwich's short of a picnic. Manchester United is worth between £1.5-1.8 billion at the very most.

United Till I Die 1987

18 May 2012 17:47:54
I love all these bold statments about us signing Hazzard, just like us signing ronaldinho, robben, silva, ozil, nasri, sneijder even AOC chose Arsenal when was the last time a player chose UTD over any other big club. There will be more signings of the calibre of young and berbatov players no one else wants.

I forget what happend with ronaldinho
robben we had ahorrible bid or soemthing then chelsea bought him
silva i dont think we were ever in for him?
ozil did chose madrid over us
nasri was happy to join us just city offered more money
aoc washapy to join us and his dad told him to go to arsenal as he would play more i think?
city wanted berba and matched our bid and and he was allowed to choose who he wanted to play for then i think it was

now
heres a recent one just this summer
de gea
he probbaly had his choice of joining many top teams like us barca real etc and he chose us
jones rejected most top english teams to join us didnt he?
and theres 2 players in the last year so far

I have to say fella I don't think you know what your going on about as I recall eds please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't man city given permission to talk to berbatov but we weren't but berbatov chose us over money and city and regardless of what you think berbatov is an excellent player.

Whitey {Ed004's Note - They were given permission}

City, Spurs, Arsenal & Liverpool wanted Young. Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs wanted Jones. Smalling chose us over Arsenal, as did the twins, Pogba. Berbatov chose us over City. Valencia chose us over Real Madrid.

Sydney!

WOW BErbatov what a star buy was this when city were s**t under hughes??? {Ed004's Note - This is when City were spending huge sums on players like Robinho}

What a numpty, go back to FIFA

City were after Berba and a host of clubs were after Jones. Get a clue

Well Phil Jones chose us over Man City, Liverpool,Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal

Either Scholes or Giggs also chose us over City when they were young. One of the was with Man Citys academy but then chose to join ours instead {Ed004's Note - Giggs}

Get a grip of yourself and have a day off,keane rooney to name but two so f##k off and support another team because we dont need peoplelike you following united we are and always will be the biggest and best club in the world and dont need to splash billions to achive it
keep the red flag flying high
united till i die

United til I die,
Apparently we do have to spend millions to achieve it maybe not as much as city right now.but city have a great side and won't need to spend as much over the coming seasons,but could be out bid by them at any stage.and another thing is,everyone seams to be so sure about other clubs going in for players,aw we out bid this team and that,how do you know we're you there!
If I wanted to play for utd,and they came in with a wage packet of 80,000 a week and I thought I could get more out of utd.wat would my agent say.wel I'd love to play for utd and I think City have a great squad too and they're offering me 150,000 a week,I really want to play for utd but can you do better than 80,000 a week!wel yes ok wel give you 100,000.ok great deal done!its called playing on media rumours and calling it bluff.non of you on here really know whats going on!apart from that berba is s**t,I wouldn't call young,jones,or de gea world class players yet either.we probly ended up paying more money than we should have.or we jus t don't get a polished world class player!do you think we would be able to afford Messi right now?i don't think so!

The calibre of berbatov? Well at the time we bought him from Spurs he was one of the best strikers in the league, and even city's riches couldn't persuade him otherwise

Ok berba chose us over city and young chose us too but come on.bera and young are hardly world class players and neither is de gea.theres too much media around hazard,and his agent will squeeze as much as he can out of any club he goes to.hazard ain't world class yet but he's playing on the fact that everyone will think he will be!he will end up at city or real Madrid and warm de bench!

18 May 2012 17:09:46
Didnt Hazard say he would reveal on monday where he was going. I take it as a guess the french league finishes over this weekend. He has confirmed he will play in manchester, so i see it as a straight 50/50 swop, both clubs have reason for him joining either. i dont think it will be another sniejder as he kept quiet and never once said he would play in manchester and the silence created more and more rumours.
I personally think that he will sign for us, but thats my own opinion. I know SAF has been scouting him for 3-4 years. maybe he is the player no value in the market, not been available. Everyone assumes he was at the derby as city's guest, but no1 for sure knows that. When city are chasing a player people know about it, there business is not done quietly. Our business is usually kept quiet and announced surprisingly. As the majority of our signings will be surprised at this buy, there is a gut feeling he is coming to us.
Jenny

Hazard has agreed a deal with Manchester City. Sorry to break the truth. {Ed004's Note - Source? Link? etc... just asking before others start because it saves me time editing}

Well you just contradicted yourself as you think that hazard will join united. Yet we do quiet and suprising deals. However hazard hasn't shutup about it and it has been in the press for sometime.

Hazard will be signing for MUFC

TRUMORS

Hey, same here- if he goes city they've got nasri and silva in the same positions and I have an instinct he would prefer to help United win back the league and everything else. Also ManU are still the bigger club- more famous club

I didnt contradict myself, as we do our transfers in private. Hazard has not been shouting his mouth off about joining us, but just the fact he is coming to united. Look at city's buys or players they tried to buy, they are usually all over the net. We all know they have offered RVP money. We all knew they had offered Nasri. Clichy we knew he was going there. Tevez/aguero same. dzeko same agian. toure (both) tbh i could name most of the squad in this bracket.
if they was signing hazard ed's am sure would know something
jenny

To be fair to jenny, nobody can really argue with her last post.

Foozeball

Cheers foozeball. I just think its odd f je was joining city that its not ben leaked. Everyone of there transfers have been leaked.
Jenny

Also to be fair to Jenny, United have said nothing about Hazard, it was Hazard who said he is going to Manchester. In Europe that usually means Us not City. In Europe City are known as City. Hope you're right Jenny.

Jenny,
We do know something about it.we all know City are interested in Hazard.the same way we all knew about the others you mentioned.and he's been the most mentioned player to be linked with City so what's your point?
There were plenty of teams linked with some players city bought,but we all knew they would end up at City coz they pay the highest wages.And in this case it aint gonna be any different because footballers agents these days like to squeeze out as much money as they can at just any mediocre team.Man City were a mediocre team before they came into they're billions and now they have won the league and becoming bigger n bigger!WHY?Because Money makes the footballing world go round these days!
We don't get the worlds best players,or at least we fail to!because we won't start a player on big wages!I'm not saying Hazard is a world class player but everyone thinks he will be and he's already made a media circus around him!WHY?because he knows if the two clubs in Manchester are interested in him,he can play them off each other for the best wages!And We won't pay as big wages as City!And even if he prefers to come to us and if he wants games week in week out and get the chance to learn from the master and develope into that world class player (I.e Ronaldo)at least he will get
the best wages he can out of us.but sadly it don't always go our way!

Yes but for once city have not come out and said anything about this players. the leaks come out of there club like many holes in buckets. the only talk about hazard going to city has come from hazards quote of saying he will play in manchester and that he was at the derby. nothing else. its far to quiet ont he city side. if he joins them i will be first on here to say i go it wrong. but i just dont see him at city. even the rags are now back tracking in todays press saying he might join us for more 1st team opportunites.
jenny

18 May 2012 16:55:35
B. Monchengladbach sign Xhaka

As i said back on the 14th Mort.

18 May 2012 16:21:27
We were in for Nasri and we were in for AOC, both confirmed by the players. And yes we would have bought Jones and Varane. This is why we are looking at Dede, Benatia, Nastasic etc now.

Sydney!

But if we had got nasri would we of got young , as much as you think you do, you can't know this .
And how do you know we would of bought jones and varane the answer is you don't .
I would of thought we are looking at benatia etc because vidic is injured smalling and Evans need surgery and jones hasn't really shone at cb and ferdy may leave
Jred

Nasri was targeted for the central midfield position to replace Scholes, not as a winger so yes we would have still signed Young IMO. Jones and Varane are two completely different CB's, one is a carbon copy of Ferdinand and one is a Vidic type defender. SAF has said that Jones was a target for a year before he signed him.

You say I can't know this, well you can't know that we weren't going to buy Nasri, Young, Jones & Varane.

Sydney!

Syd
Your quite right I dont no but I'm not the one pretending i do and again stating my opinion as fact.
How do you know we would of signed varne and jones and that we would of signed nasri and young , you don't
I thought jones and smalling were the replacement for vidic and ferdy
Jred

Smalling and Jones are the replacements for Ferdinand and Vidic. But who is going to be back-up to Smalling when Ferdinand leaves? We were interested in Jones for a long time which was confirmed by our manager. We were also still trying to sign Varane so what does that tell you? Both were targets. Nasri was earmarked for central midfield like Sneijder, Goetze, Modric etc, Young is NOT a central midfielder.

Sydney!

Jred is completely right you cannot KNOW we would have bought Jones and Varane, only Sir Alex and Gill would know that, at best your speculating. Likewise with Nasri, cant see why we would ever have played him CM when I dont think anyone has ever seen him play there, always plays towards a wing, never central
SC {Ed004's Note - He did when he went on the scoring run for Arsenal... When Fabregas was injured}

Syd
fergy is on record as saying he never planned to buy jones untill this summer but was forced to move for him due to interest from other clubs.
who is back up for smalling well at a wild guess i would have evans in the mix some where
jred

'SC'

Nasri played in the centre for the first half of Arsenal's 2010/11 season. That is where he scored all of those goals and made all of the assists. Then when Cesc returned he was shoved back out on the wing and his goals and assists dried up. We tried signing Nasri for the centre as Scholes' replacement, when we missed out on him we looked at Sneijder, Goetze & Modric, are they wingers?

Sydney!

Jred, SAF has said that he wanted Jones when he was in the Blackburn U18's. The fact that you have just said the manager was planning on buying Jones next season proves he wanted both Varane and Jones. He wouldn't have tried signing Varane in the summer else now would he? Use your noggin lad.

Sure Jonny Evans is in the mix now, but after last season's (2010/11) performances he wouldn't have been. Jonny himself said this was a make or break season for him and expects to be sold if he doesn't improve.

Sydney!

Sydney! and Ed
He didnt play CM he had a free role, 2 holding midfielders most of the time behind him. There is no way we would have looked for him to replace scholes as a CM. If he were to play central it would be as support to a striker as at Arsenal when he got goals. Not as a 2 in CM which he has never done.
SC {Ed004's Note - I think he could have played CM. With Scholes's old legs he is still able to play alongside Carrick and dominate midfields so I have no doubt that Nasri could do the same thing}

Like i said syd i dont know and wont pretend to but the simple fact is varane could of been sounded out and and when he chose madrid we went for jones maybe the plan was to buy a cb last summer get one more year out of ferdy then ferdy to leave and buy another cb this summer, i dont know.
But there is no way you can be sure pal and thats the point im making
jred

'SC'

Nasri was sounded out for central midfield. When we missed out on him we turned our attentions to Modric, Goetze and Sneijder. He would have been more of the Scholes of old (pre 30), than the Scholes we see today, but nevertheless he was being bought to fill a gap in central midfield, not the wing.

Sydney!

Jred, the fact of the matter is SAF himself said there was a few more players he wanted to add to the squad, but they were unavailable.

Sydney!

Syd
no the fact is we only bought 3 players anything else is speculation.
jred

Sheesh!! who cares? its all in the past now!!

*loud whistle noise* Ok kids, thats dinner time over.....back into school.

18 May 2012 16:08:04
I know this could be a long shot but..
Doumbia has come out today and said he wants to move to a top club in either England, Spain or Italy.
Wouldnt he be well worth a punt ? He has been so consistant for CSKA.
He has blistering speed and is a top notch finisher and with CSKA not qualifying for CL they will consider offers.

L.A.7

Weve got 3 quality strikers in rooney, wekbeck and hernandez (although he had an injury at start of season he didnt get a chance to show us how amazing he is cause welbeck was playing it isnt 2nd season syndrome like most people say) so we wont be improving in an area we dont need to!

With berba and owen leaving you don.t think so??...

Andyred

If we're going to change the way we play next year, and i think we are, then Fergie might not need his preferred 4 man strike force.
If we change to 4231, Fergie will only have one striker berth to fill, so three strikers might be enough. With, maybe, Kagawa taking up the place of a 2nd striker/AM.
We're realeasing two strikers that have hardly had a look in all year, i don't see the need to replace someone we never used.

Bob

18 May 2012 15:02:42
does no one think that kalou would be a quality signing on a freebie? he wont move right into the first team, but he has always been a class contributor to chelski

Smoke another one fella.......he should join a small club like Liverpool

No!
Totally overrated! Tbh no-one rates him do he's not even over rated!

Awfully mediocre.

Sydney!

Kalou is regarded as one of the more skillful players in the Chelsea setup, he has bulked up a bit and still has pace to burn. He would be a good punt,, although I do question his hunger and drive to succeed

I would sign him on a freebie all day

Yeah! Let's buy our rivals fringe players and send a message across Europe! Get a grip pal
Duggo

Sh1t idea!

Andyred

18 May 2012 13:39:56
First time post but been lookin on here for the last year or so anyway I was told of a mate 2 weeks ago that king Jenny would be sacked an Martinez would replace him which looks like its happening . This morning he as told me united will be bringing in Bains and fellaini

Hope this is true be 2 great signings fellaini is just what we need in our m/f

Good i think Fellaini is just what our midfield needs, bit of physicality. I rate over carrick, the fact carrick doesnt want to be considered for the euros shows his lack of ambition, who in their right mind wouldnt want to play for england, i understand family issues and what not but he is a coaster, so yeah Fellaini for me would be a perfect replacement at only 24

Cban

King Jenny, thanks i didnt know i had become the ex LFC manager in disguise lol. the person responsible for there demise.

Fellini although am not sure, his a player i would give a try too, but i dont see it happening personally.

Jenny

Carrick said he doesn't want to be considered for Euros unless he's a regular starter which is fair enough, he's underrated and it would be embarrassing for him to miss out due to the likes of Jordan Henderson, Gareth Barry.. I was thinking how good England would be for the euros if we had Scholes and Carrick as two deep lying playmakers with Gerrad infront of them. Young on the left, Walcott on the right (best we've got) and Welbeck up front.

Ozwald

Ozwald

You prove my point exactly, he wants a reg place but wont fight for it, he is overrated. good in a centre mid of 3 but his passing is too slow and he rarely goes forward. Im not saying barry is any better, worse i reckon but united need someone with more energy and exuberance. Carrick winds me up because he can pick a thru ball and he can tackle and score yet he doesnt, he rarely goes all out and when he does its only a few games a season, qpr away this season, chelsea away last season

cban

Spot on Ozwald.
Carrick would be great for England. When Hargreaves was fit, the two of them should have been starters for England.
He's a damn sight better than most of the squad Hodgson has assembled.

Also, i don't see committing to Manchester United and turning you're back on an unappreciative England set up as being a "lack of ambition". It shows he appreciates what he has at United.

Bob

Haha can he tell me lotto numbers for tonight

18 May 2012 12:43:11
What has happened to all the gaitan rumours, they seem to have calmed down massively since january and a few months ago, any news eds? {Ed004's Note - Nothing new}

18 May 2012 12:44:14
People getting there hopes up for Hazard................... Don't get your hopes up too much we won't get him. Kagawa is as marquee a signing as we're gonna get, sorry

United Till I Die 1987

I bet you'll be eating your words by next week. NomNomNom.

Why sorry?

Are you somehow involved in player purchases?

I for one would be quite happy if we got Kagawa. Has done remarkably well in a much tougher league than Hazard's Ligue 1.

Hazard is potentially a very expensive error of judgement.

Bob

@United til i die 1987


Come on fella, Get your head out of the misery bucket.

People want to get their hopes up and have wish lists - we all know we can't get every player we want but we all need to dream.

Kagawa will be a quality signing - We still need another striker, defender and another midfielder.

If we are interested in Hazard then all we can do is put our offer in the mix and leave it down to the player to choose.

i personally think as much as a good player he is he talks to the press far too much and that is something that will cause him problems at OT.

Monk

This little boy who was only 6 when the prem started tries to make out that he is "in the know" its ridiculous,we may or may not sign hazard but he does not know.
Big red bob.

18 May 2012 12:36:43
The ligue 1 season hasn't even finished yet so I doubt there has been any contact/talks between clubs and lille. If there was they'd probably report them to uefa. Heard that talks will happen next week after the French domestic season has ended, apparently it will come down to hazard himself....

Hazard has publicly said he will announce his decision on Monday ! And he was 90% certain of the club he would choose , just had to iron out the final details . Uefa can't stop agents talking to different clubs that's ludicrous

18 May 2012 11:56:33
This Hazard thing is already turning into another sneijdergate....(yes it deserves a 'gate')
Please Please Please until he has signed for anyone can we avoid jumping on the bandwagon and writing endless posts about how he was spotted here there and everywhere...
We have other targets too you know and there isnt even evidence of a concrete bid...
For 30million i would prefer Kagawa and Strootman/Vidal or M'Vila.

Stuey

Sneijdergate - love it, lol

(well maybe not love but you know what I mean)

Hazard will sign for City on Monday then we can all get along with concentrating on players we CAN afford who want to play for US

Halesini

We should know by Monday either way.. can not see this one going on all summer..

Oxred

18 May 2012 11:30:50
Valencia have reportedly agreed to sell jordi alba, according to emrey. He did not specify the destination club though, barca and utd are seen as the two favourites. Maybe both have had an offer accepted and it's all down to the player himself. Also rodriguez from Porto has promised fans he will be staying in Portugal.

I said ages ago that he's already agreed to join Barca.

United Till I Die 1987

We do not need anymore 5 foot 2 defenders

18 May 2012 10:37:30
Is it 44 million euros or pounds for hazard?
If it is euros then that is just over £35 million, about what people on here where thinking.

REDP

£25m is the rateable price for Hazard. Maximum £30m not more than that.

18 May 2012 10:22:05
People need to try and remember the football fair play rules. City can no longer go out and spend 300 million on players as the money needs to be coming into the club. The only way they got round it last year was by selling the naming rights to the s**tihad.

That said they will still go out and spend but they won't buy everyone, United have one of the biggest turnovers in world football therefore we can still spend big we just won't be held to ransom.

Personally I'd like to see SAF move to a 4231 and buy Kagawa, Martinez or tiote and Baines. I don't think hazard will come, seems to big of an ego already and that'll be detrimental to what fergie is trying to build.

They can, they are going to get their sponsors (Who are there owners) to pay half of the players wages and hence allowing them to still spend ridiculous money on wages. However because it is run by the germans who do love rules and regulations they might try and find a way round it to specifically get city out of the european competitions... Hopefully the latter will happen and city will have to start selling some of there big players!

18 May 2012 01:32:31
i have heard from a very good source that utd have offered athletico madrid the choice of either chicarito or nani as part of a deal to bring falcao to old trafford i hope its true he would be class alongside wazza and i hope we go for modric not hazard modric has proved he is class hazard has proved nothing yet

Do you remember the last time we made a trade?

Not going to happen, if Nani was to leave he would probably head to Juve and Fergie wouldnt sell Hernandez, i really do like Falcao but i think if he was to move to the EPL Chelsea would be a more likely destination, if a striker was to be brought it it would be a player like Lewandowski or Van Wolkswinkel young quality finishers.

L.A.7

Ridiculous call, nani is worth quite a bit more than chica so why would united offer them either player? Also I think we arent looking to offload attackers with berba and owen already gone.

You know that hazard is even awarded as the best player of the french football league so you could easy say that there is surely a piece of skill wether then modric

18 May 2012 00:10:25
why are most of our fans so pessimistic about our chances of signings ? we spent 50million last year on 2 19 youngsters and a squad player so what makes you think we wont spend another 50million on 2 key players?

No we spent £51 million on one of the best young goalkeeper around, Jones and Young. I don't think fans are pessimistic we just know that whatever we offer City will come in higher in both wages and transfer fee. It's all well and good buying these youngsters but we need established players now.

United Till I Die 1987