Manchester United Rumours Archive June 19 2012

19 Jun 2012 18:37:23
{Ed022's note - There has been a Player-Profile updated on Robert Lewandowski of Borussia Dortmund. Heavily linked with Manchester United in recent times so it's one for you lot! www.player-profiles.co.uk - cheers all!}

19 Jun 2012 13:54:58
why oh why do people want us to sign modric or any other midfielder of that type. we have signed kagawa and have scholes for another season which fergiree confirmed that scholes will play 20-30 games next season. also cleverly still plays for us incase some of u forgot that. why would we scupper his potential and sign someone like modric. as far as im aware kagawa is the creative spark we have lacked to play in the middle or an advanced role. its obvious we need to add a rock in the middle, a solid box to box midfileder or 1 who sits. also why if it is true are we pushing nani out the door, hes a top quality player. i personally would like for young to be shown the door if its the case of having a winger make space. nani is much better than young. young gets thrown all over the park and isnt anywhere near technically as good as nani. fair enough young is good at crossing and set pieces but i dont feel he should be anywhere near the united line up. look at the difference between their performances at the euros.

Will cleverley & anderson stay injury free? will fletcher be available? scholes is great, but not for 90 mins. modric would improve the team

Nani may be going but the reason is plainly obvious . For every good game he has you get another 3 average ones . He can't take a decent corner for Utd most of his never get beyond the first defender .

Young is a lot more consistent than Nani. Nani 1 good game in 5. Haw many times has he got in an excellent position to cross and fluffed it. United as a team get a lot more out of young as they do Nani. I would drive Nani to any team in Europe that offered 25M+ myself.

Redchad

I agree totally we don't need modric for 30mill just a holding midfielder and keep NANI people seem to forget his assists and that he was injured for most of last season
redtonka

I agree with most of what you have said except the end piece, on that logic Arsenal must be gunna sell RVP and promote Bendtner. Also did you see Nani's miss?
RedHead

Completely disagree. We have no player like schooled in the team. I hate it when people say that because a player plays in cm an so does another then they are the same! Scholars could play perhaps 1 in 3 game and even then he won't last 90 mins. Modric and cleverly are completely different players. Cleverly I direct and a goalscorer whereas as scholes and modric set the tempo and keep the ball. I do think we need a tough tackling midfielder though.

Cleverley is great player but dont forget he is new hargreaves

Nani equals no end product! I would have Young and Valencia anyday over him in our lineup. Technical ability isn't everything and I think the difference Valencia makes to our performances proves that.

I think it's harsh to say Nani has 'no end product', I'm not his biggest fan, but when he gets his head up hid delivery is very good. Just doesn't do it enough for me. I've been looking at other players, only youtube but I do think there's brighter prospects out there which we could buy with the funds from Nani's sale.

Kai

We need creativity in the middle of the park as well as some solidity. It's clear to anyone who watches United and wants the best for them, that is where the team is weakest. In fact it's weaker in central midfield than any other team in EPL top six.It's pointless to sell quality and silly to rely on the average. Nani, if sold, would be replaced by Rodriguez or some such player. So we sell Nani for 30m and buy a replacement for 25-30m senseless. It's in the nature of wingers and all creative players to have an element of inconsistency. Look around and the only truly consistent winger is Messi, even Ronaldo has had two poor games and one excellent game ay the Euros. Nani has had a 6 out of 10, a 7 out of 10 and an 8 out of 10 game and that's allowing for an awful miss. Young has been non existent a 5 out of 10 and a 4 out of 10 at the Euros. As for midfield, I agree we need a holding midfielder, like M'Vila or Tiote, or a box to boxer like Strootman. We also need a creative midfielder, Anderson must go, when he's not injured he has 2 or 3 good games per season, in fact since he's been with us I've only seen him have half a dozen good games. If we can get 7 million or more he has to go. Fletcher, even when well, is a real grafter, but he's not of the highest quality. As for Cleverly, he's fantastically overrated, he just isn't of the class we need.I would try out Petrucci in the place of Anderson, or Cleverley. I think we should go for M'villa and Cabaye if we have the cash. If as I expect we will only have 20 million sales and another 25 million from the Glazers, that would leave us with with 30 million. Kagawa was just over 12 million down and Powell was just under 3 million down, that's 15 million. Strootman or Tiote and Dembale (not my number one choice, but the best we'll be able to get for 12-14m), I would also like Cissoko but that would require another 6 - 8 million being freed up by the Glazers. I wish people wouldn't keep writing that Kagawa solves our lack of midfield guile! He either plays wide on the left, or his preferred position is in the hole. because of this, I don't think buying a striker is necessary. As for Scholes, I think he was the greatest of the class of 92, but again if you want the best for the club and for the man, he should only play for an hour at a time for about 20 games. His legs have gone, against any youthful athletic, quick midfielder, that doesn't give him time to settle, he struggles. I would rather remember him as the Mancunian Iniesta he was in his pomp. Same goes with Giggsy.
Mik

Young performed much better in the united shirt last season specially towards the end nani is hot and cold, nani can be the best player 1 game then the next two games off form!

Why do we need Modric?

Scholes will be gone in a year so he doesn't enter our long term plans. As a club we always look to the future not just the NOW so we should get in Scholes' replacecement before he leaves

We have been lacking creativity in CM for years, which Modric gives. Kagawa will add flair in the final 3rd whilst Modric will control play and create from the heart of midfield. Kagawa will be 'our Iniesta' whilst Modric would be 'our Xavi'. Sorry for using those 2 as an example but positionally and tactically they are good examples (not necessarily in terms of class obv)

Cleverly will get lots of games whatever happens, it's a squad game. But we must remember that he is also an injury worry, so what happens if he's unfit will Scholes then have to play all 55 games?

Gav

We need Modric because he is a genuine world class playmaker. Scholes is still able to do a job against 70% of the teams in the EPL but against City and such and in Europe we dont measure up. As for Kagawa. who knows what he brings. I dont disagree that we need a ballholding midfield player too though.

Just come back from euros talking to spurs fans asked about modric they don't rate him they said if we buy him for 20mill its too much sed theyed drive him to utd themselves also talked to Germans they said kagawa goes past players with speed and is very creative like scholes sed utd will be very impressed with him as for modricnot good enough for ud he dissappears in big games in my opinion diehard74

Diehard74 -All the Spuds fans I've spoken too, don't want Modric sold. They all think he's fantastic, in fact even better than he is. They talk of him being worth 40m minimum. Take a look at the Spurs page on here. He is far better than anyone we have in midfield. Modric and M'Vila would be my dream ticket for United.
Mik

19 Jun 2012 11:49:16
Ed! any reason why media has not associated Man Utd. with Sigurdsson?

He looks good little player and worth taking a gamble as he is not going to cost much.

With scholes around for a year we can give this lad a chance and see how he performs.

Victor J {Ed007's Note - I'd have thought the reason would be pretty obvious. It's because Utd aren't interested in him.}

He's off to Liverpool to challenge for 10th place in the league.

Red Spark

19 Jun 2012 10:18:46
What are the chances of us getting Sahin? No playing time at Real, and we have always had a good relationship with them, as well as being interested in Sahin last summer, he's a quality player!

MelonRed

A good relationship with Madrid? The team we 'wouldn't sell a virus to'?

GDS

Not to mention his already established relationship with kagawa!

Gar

Yes I recall Fergie speaking very favourably of Real Madrid when they were after Ronaldo!
Woffsta

I think he is seen as the long term replacement for Xabi Alonso, he had quite a lot of injuries last seaso and will get more exposure this year with the probable departures of Diarra, Granero and Kaka.

RedDevil19

When i say a good relationship, we've done many deals with them in the past, and Fergie and Mourinho have a lot of respect for each other.

Melonred

I never understand why people seem to think we have a good relationship with Real.
Yes we've sold them players, under very trying circumstances, with Madrid doing their utmost to bully us into selling. Hardly foundations of a great relationship.
As GDS said, "I wouldn't sell that shower a virus" is not a complement or testimony to a tight professional relationship.

Bob

Forget Sahin - I think we should have kept Saha - a tricky target man who was good from lobg range. Him and Berb up front would be ace.

Sahin was injured most of last season. Mourinho rates him highly so am sure if he stays he will get lots of playing time seeing as Lass, Granero, Kaka, Khedira maybe leaving.
Ozil, Sahin, Modric, Alonso will all get adequate playing time.

Millz

19 Jun 2012 00:03:19
Ed002 Are Real Madrid interested in Modric? If so is a move likely or could he end up at United?

REDMOZ {Ed002's Note - There is serious interest from Real Madrid, Manchester United and PSG. Against Real Madrid is that they will need to offer a player as part of the deal or sell a player to raise hard cash.}

Ed002, Do you know which club Modric favours? If Modric were to sign for Madrid would Sahin be available? Is there any interest in sahin from United?

REDMOZ {Ed002's Note - I don't know which club he favours but he has said previously that he would like to play in Spain. I do not see Sahin at Manchester United. If he were to leave I would very much suspect a move to Italy (possibly with AC Milan) or a return to Germany (with Bayern Munich) would come before any thoughts of a move to England. Malaga also spoke to Madrid about the possibility of a loan and Galatasaray would like to take him to Turkey.}

He may want to go to Madrid but they are skint. Every year they seem to spend money on transfers like drunken sailors. An article I saw today said they are 590million Euros in debt. If they want more money for transfers where are they going to get it from ? Spanish Banks ? Spanish Government ? Neither have a pot to p!ss in. Interesting to see how long they can splash the cash like lunatics. Modric will not go to Spain. The question is do we want Modric or not ? I suspect there are other younger and better value for money targets around ... unless we get a great deal of course ..

Aren't they underwritten by the King Of spain hence they always get millions to spend

I love how you say Madrid can't buy Modric cos they're in debt.

Do you realise your on the man utd rumours site, and if you do then I think you should know..SO ARE WE!

Red Joe

Red Joe: I understand that we are in debt but we do not throw our money around like idiots, unlike Real Madrid who spent approx GBP 135 million on 2 players alone a few seasons back. United refuse to entertain the "deal" if they don't feel they get value for money, unlike Madrid who always seem to swept along with the emotion of the transfer window despite their huge debts. I'm sure we have a figure in mind for Modric (if we are even interested, which I'm not convinced about) and if it goes beyond that, there's no deal. Similar to Sneijder. Thats my point.

Real Madrid's finances are not as bad as barca's. Plus, Madrid dont buy players outright, the stagger the payments for years. On top of that, they can always sell players to raise funds or enter some dubious off-balance sheet financing arrangement. Besides, If you have a look at their financial reports, you will notice they are running at profit.
Basically, If Madrid really want Modric, they will probably get him.

Millz

Dubious off-balance sheet finance arrangements ? By that do you mean that they are attempting to hide their debts ? Sounds like the Enron scandal in the US a few years back ?! Anyway Madrid also want Neymar, Maicon and Lucas Moura. Not much change from 100m and add Modric to that. How long can Madrid carry on like that ? Then of course there's the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules. Don't think Modric is on United's agenda anyway. {Ed002's Note - Real Madrid are looking at a player plus cash deal for Modric. They need to pretty much balance the books this year for sales and purchases but will be clearing out midfield and some loan players. They have already had one player plus cash deal rejected in Brazil but are still shopping at Harrods rather than Tesco.}

19 Jun 2012 01:25:19
I keep reading that strootman can't be good cus he didn't play for holland, but I bet none of you would say no to gotze coming to united? And has he played a part for ze Germans? No! I bet none of you strootman critics have seen him play apart from clips on YouTube and to be honest with you, neither have I, but if Fergie does have any real interest in him then he can't be that bad

RR

I was under the impression gotze is injured long term. thats why he wasnt picked.

rddu {Ed002's Note - You must be thinking of someone else.}

I havent seen Strootman play at all, even on youtube, but I have watched a lot of Dortmund's games over the last 2 years; so I have no idea whether Strootman would be a good signing or not. However there is a world of difference between not getting into a team that has failed to perform this summer, especially defensively, when KS is a DM, and not getting into a team that is chock-a-block with creative talent, who are much more experienced than MG, no matter how much potential he has.
As I said I havent seen Strootman play at all, but your comment is meaningless. I've not seen Jagielka play this tournament either, but I know he isnt Utd standard

Jaxer

Good point about the comparison with Goetze but Strootman is still not good enough.

No chance...get real

Already covered. Can't be bothered to go into too much detail - but...

Gotze suffered a serious injury this season and has only played around 140 minutes for Dortmund in the whole of 2012. His injury and lack of match time is probably a big contributing factor to his lack of football for the Germans.

On top of that - Germany won all three games (the only team to do so in the whole competition) and Ozil (who is probably the German player who would make way in the starting 11 for Germany) has a had a decent tournament. In comparison De Jong has been poor and Holland (who, let's not forget, began the tournament as third favorites to win it) have gone out without gaining a single point.

T0MB0Z

Doesn't really matter if you think he isn't good enough because the only person who's input is valid is Sir Alex... His opinion is the only one that matters.

fearny

Who ever thinks that about Strootman hasn't seen him play.
Believe me he is 100 times the player that that donkey Van Bommel is but because he's the managers son in law somehow he always gets picked....i wonder why.
Strootman has everything you need in a midfielder, strong, good tackler and a box to box player and he's still learning.
What better club to learn at then Man United.
Him and M'Villa would be my two signings

Simmo

Agree with simmo strootman has the potential to be world class and should have started for holland.

sparkyred

100 times the player Van Bommell is? Van Bommell is ageing and primarily a workhorse, but he if he is a donkey having played for Milan and Barcelona amongst others doesnt that make Strootman Pele then if 100 times better, wow we must sign him up! I think the point the original poster is making is that people want to sound clever saying how great or bad a player is, giving there opinions and in depth knowledge of a player they often havent even seen play more than twice if at all
Invisible STuey

Simmo. I've watched him play about 5 or 6 times in the league and a couple of times in Europe and haven't been much impressed. At times he looks like he might have the potential to be world class but others looks like he might as well be off the pitch for all his ineffectiveness. His age may help his cause in some respects - but at 22 I'd expect a little more promise from anybody who was going to make it to the top.

He's not 100 times better than Van Bommel at all (they are about level with each at distinctly contrasting stages of their careers) but will learn a lot from him if he remains at PSV next season. In a few years time he might be a player who can change a game - but then again he might turn out to be another Ricardo Quaresma.

You are right when you say there are people on this site that haven't seen him play - but it's not those questioning his ability. For the most part it's the ones who are suggesting that he should sign for Manchester United this summer and would walk into our starting line-up that are ignorant to his current level and seem intent on using youtube and made up rumors in newspapers to justify their 'beliefs' and pass them off as knowledge.

T0MB0Z

Fergie isnt a god who gets every player right.bebe for example....