Manchester United Rumours Archive November 20 2012

20 Nov 2012 22:19:28
I would like to know what exactly the players are taught at training session.

We seem to give the ball away a lot.
We had no drive through the middle.
We seem to have very few players who move off the ball.This is why we play at a slow tempo.
We are tactically inept..how times has fergie played the wrong players and then throws on forwards in the last 10 minutes. Also we buy kagawa and then dont know where to play him
We have players that should have been replaced by now..i.e scholes, giggs, evra, rio.

We need new modern tactics, a new manager, and new players. The time has come for a change.

Theres more to football than what you have been stating. Theres chemistry and passion that has been made at Man United in the last 25 years, something no other club could obtain

What we're missing is someone to organise the team. Someone to run the players through set piece drills, to tell each player the area of the pitch they need to take up. Going forward we are ok as the players are creatively clever enough to create chances, for the most part, but when it comes to defending nobody seems to know their job. Carlos was the best assistant we had for that kind of thing and we need someone to come in and do the same now. You only have to look at Mourinho to see that by simply getting a team you can stay solid and get results and once you are organised you have something to build on and can perhaps start looking to play attractive football.

TK-Red

No name you really are a tool

Pardoe

You don't deserve to support this club if your saying to go get a new manager have some respect!

Which one of the no names is the tool, for me its the one who starts off "theres more to football", sir you are a clown who clearly has never played the game at any decent sort of level. The movement in the team is awful, its like playing statue football. Players are constantly being played out of position, and at the moment, the blend of players is wrong. I played for nigh on 40 years, have watched Unites for longer than that, this has all the hallmarks of the days after the first European Cup win. Players bought who were not good enough, players who stayed too long, and a manager who the game had passed by. I am not saying SAF is in that position yet, but it looks close. Before people flame me for saying this, I played most of my time in the old league as was, and have since coached all over the world, admittedly not at EPL level, but enough to see what is wrong with our team. There are many who share this opinion on this site, so why can our management staff not seem to see what we all do. The obvious, midfield is not good enough, Scholes and Giggs are done, and some serious investment in either playing time or cash is needed in defence, and lastly a decent coach, who isn't a "yes man".....Rant over.

Ive been saying the same thing for the last couple of years. We have needed a change of style for at least two years if not more. If we played barcalona in the champions league final again this year will we give them a better game?? No! If anything we would get spanked even more then the last time. No improvements have been made, in fact we have got worse!

No one can question what the manager has done for us in the past and i still believe we will have a very good shout of winning the league but we do not play good football and we have stood still for the last few years whilst others gave improved and strengthened.

After that dreadful night at wembly we should of started rebuilding the team then. Yes we brought somd bright young players but the problem we have had for years is a lack of midfield and there have been no attempts made to address this. Poor managment and a lack of understanding ge way football has changed.

Awnser this if you are doubting what im saying, which other top team in world football at this point in time play 4-4-2? Not many if any. Point proven.

Well said could not agree more the old guard are holding us back and it is time to bow out gracefully. Mike phelan should be sacked now as we have not played well since quieros left the club.

Chemistry and passion will not win us games anymore and i for one would prefer us to be playing good football again not shouting and critisising our players all the time. If another manager came in now the first thing they would do is buy a midfielder or two, why hasent our current boss?

We need new modern tactics, a new manager, and new players. The time has come for a change.

If this is the original posters thoughts, he has a really easy way to put it right. Support a team that has a different manager, are considered modern, have the money for new players - There's Chelsea, or City made for fair weather supporters just like you
Mik

As soon as anyone mentions change, they get accused of being "liverpool fans" or "tools"?
Can any of us honestly say that the football we have played in the past two years has been of a high standard.
Can anyone honestly say that we have closed the gap on Barca or Real?
Can anyone honestly say that our team pass the ball effectively and defend solidly?
No one is saying saf is past it or whatever, but sooner rather than later, a change has to be made as we will fall further behind the top teams. Especially with our tactics and technical abilities.
NoMidfield

So the manager goes out and buys a technicaly gifted player in kagawa and tries to play him in midfield!! that is how bad the managers tactics are.

All you "fans" taking a pop at Fegie are nothing short of deluded! It's absolutely ridiculous to question his tactics. Yes the game has changed over the years, however to a guy holding 30 plus years experience, I'm sure he understands what's needed to win games. We lost the league on goal difference and we're sitting pretty this season. yeas of course I'd prefer to be 10 points clear, but it's the EPL, big teams willl continue to drops points away from home with the odd shock home defeat due to the standard the league has developed. The thing holding us back is the owners, the Glaziers have dropped us into a mountain of debt, and as such we've tightened up our transfer and wage bill quite significantly. If we had free flowing money Fergie would have the squad below him that would literally blow other teams off the pitch week in week out. I hate how you stupid fans (of all clubs) think the answer is to sack the manager each and every time! There is sooooo much more to results than just the manager. Fergie is the pinnacle figure of the club with what he has achieved, and CONITNUED to achieve of the years!

Fergie is paid to pick the teams, employ the tactics and buy players in the market. In all of these areas we have been found wanting over the last few years. no one is questioning what the manager has done and will always do! but when you see our line up include 4/5 sometimes 6 average ageing palyers and no replacements have either been found or brought then questions need to be asked. our team are playing the same football we were 10 years ago with worse and older players. i find myself going into games like norwich/ villa/ tottenham and i see the team line up and i dont have any confidence that we will perform and win, this is not manchester united! no man utd fan out there at the min can honestly say that they enjoy watching us anymore and this is the problem.

tacticallyinept

As in most of life, the truth is somewhere in the middle. If we had not been decimated by injuries to key players over the last 9 months then the story wouldhave been different. We donot by and large play442 anymore it is a far more flexible system. The area i do worry about is aninability of our second string in some cases to pass the ball to our own players. I think Anderson is looking like he is finally nearing his potential.jones and smalling are back, if we can get vidic back fit soon then a number of the problems will dissipate. Yes we do need a good quality midfielder to replace scholes, but there are not lots of those around. Judge the team at the end of the season, not now.

20 Nov 2012 21:53:07
Hi guys
well although we lost I thought there were some positives tonight.Phil Jones gets 90 minutes and does well.I thought Danny Welbeck did ok.Clevs,Ando and Fletch played well at times but for me the highlight of the night was Nick Powell.I see him as a great prospect for the future and could be a great player.

Bazza The Red

I thought Welbeck was pretty terrible today actually, Used his pace to get in behind twice but other than that sloppy passing just gave the ball away all the time. I thought Clevs and Rafael were our two best players. Powell showed his potential though he needs some time to make the step up. I Dont think Buttner is united quality and he is getting found out now after that lucky run for a goal earlier in the season. Hernandez was good Jones was finding his feet well seeing as though he has been out for a good few months. Ando didn seem to run into the opposition a bit mindlessly sometimes. I think hew is capable of driving an attack but smart centre backs will easily shut him down.

Dan

I agree dan welbeck was our worse player, he was constantly following hernandez around and making the same forward runs as him giving our midfield little options but to play backwards or sideways or try to lob it over the top. In starting to doubt his quality

Welbeck had a good 1st half. But he was not good in the 2nd half. He showed lots of promise but he needs a partner with whom he can combine with.

Rooney is still the best partner for Welbeck as a striker.

20 Nov 2012 21:44:37
Ash Young when he 1st started for united looked class now I dont think he is 1st team quality. We have so many players in this united team who are useless at ball retention and decision making & people who cant take corners.. Clev, Powell and Anderson look good still unsure about Butner (deserves a season to settle). I feel Josh King at least deserved a half especially when we didnt need the win, he looks a big lad who isnt going to get bossed

Can anyone confirm that petrucci still injured?

Never been a fan of young, just better than what we had on the left and a cheap, English option.

20 Nov 2012 13:45:25
this is my first post and seeing it is a transfer rumours site would like to talk about midfield and ask who you would most like to see us sign i think most of us will agree we are two central mids short of being back to our best im not slating the likes of scholes and giggs or any other player in the squad just think we are two short of greatness maybe the likes of powell and kagawa will blend into the team giving us this but who would you lot like to see no disising other players or each other just two names here is my two 1. jack wilshere 2.moussa sissoko i know there are better players about but i think these two will go on to be top top players and would be monster for us hope to see loads of great combos Katef

Stop playing fm13 moussa sissoko isnt good enough for man utd and wilshere isnt the player we need.

bender looks great in germany and is a rock in the dortmund midfield. utd should look at him or his brother from the leverkusen side who is also a great player

My list would have on it: Bender's, Fellaini, Wanyama, Strootman & Khedira. If you notice, all these guys are pretty similar players - solid, tough guys. This is what we are really missing.

Think that we may go for Fellaini in January.

Fresh!

Fresh, I cannot see why we would go for Fellaini, would you rather have him in the hole ahead of Rooney or Kagawa? I think not. Perhaps if Pulis becomes our manager and we start lumping balls long we may buy him.

Sydney!

We wouldn't play him in the whole. Why do you have this fixation of him playing in the hole? Everton play him there because no one else in his position is better than he is. He's a very good, strong b2b midfielder who'd play alongside Cleverly in a 4-4-2.

Fresh!

Have to agree with Syd, when he played as a b2b he was average at best, it's only since he's moved into the hole that he's really turned it on.

Fresh, no he isn't, he is an average box2box midfielder and he was moved to the hole as Everton wasn't getting the best out of him. With Cahill gone he now has a chance to play there and he is far better there than in central midfield. He dwells on the ball for far too long when in midfield and has no technical ability and a poor first touch if the ball is any lower than his chest. When he has played well against us he has played as a 2nd striker, when he played against us in central midfield he had little impact on the game.

Sydney!

Well one of Bender brothers and Strootman for me. Both can be bought for a nominal fee and will fit into a 4-4-2 system which we actually play.

SHAITAN

Still maintain that he would be fine deeper. Hard to choose over Wanyama or Fellaini in my opinion.

Fresh!

I really can't see jack wilshire wanting to leave arsenal for old Trafford. He's a gooner through and through and probably hates us with a passion. Although in a ideal world, he'd be perfect for us.

How about we end the obsession with 442 and wingers? So far this season the wingers have been bobbins. Valencia s well out of form, Young is coming back from injury but isn't United quality anyway, Welbeck has struggled played out of posiiton and Nani has been so bad its best not to mention him.

Like seeing Wilshere getting a mention. Will be world class in a few years but he is Arsenal through and through and wont leave them for another English club. He would be perfect to replace Scholes though. Fabregas, Cabaye, Alcantara, Verrati would be great buys to replace Scholes as well. Wanyama would be a great buy for Holding/defensive and so would Baines but only if Evra was sold.

Dan

Cabaye, tiote, bender, strootman or wanyama.

Lars bender and strootman for me, both excellent in both attack and defence and can play box-to-box and play one go, one sit. then rooney, kagawa and james rodriguez as the attacking three behind rvp where they all rotate and interchange. with the off-loading of nani and maybe one or two others, along with our usual kitty, this i believe is feesable.
Mitch

The reason i picked sissoko is because he is a player in the making in my opinion not because of some football game and the wilshere thing mite not be as far fetched as you think although i rate all the players mentioned on here cheers guys Katef

Of those who are affordable and possible - Wanyama and Eriksen, 15m and 25m
The dream 2, who we couldn't afford and/or wouldn't come Fellaini and Iniesta. 32m and 50m
Mik

20 Nov 2012 02:58:38
Been seeing the rodriguez and wanyama rumors dying down of late. Any chance either of them might go through this jan.? or maybe the summer