Manchester United Rumours Archive July 24 2012

24 Jul 2012 20:29:17
Can someone post some news on Moura and RVP updates please edd you know anything? {Ed004's Note - Nothing, unfortunately}

Many sources claiming this morning that negotiations are still on. From Skysports: Lucas Moura's agent says he has been instructed to keep 'negotiating' with Manchester United by the midfielder, but the Brazil international would also be happy to stay at Sao Paulo.

D deal for moura is bak on... i think ribeiro has realised dat he is makin a fool of himself ..and d brazilian club hv no other option but to sell moura...
wit regard to RVP... fERGIE PLAYIN IT SMART by distractin rival clubs... coz we dont need and never needed RVP...
especially wen rooney wud b d lone man playin upfrnt for most of dis season... shinji ..moura or a young playin behind wazza... and the games where we intend playin 2 strikers... chicha is good enuf to play dat role... 1 off season fr chicha dosent make him a bad player.. he is pure class and he has a lot develop...

'Terra (brazilian newspaper) in Brazil reckons Sao Paulo are willing to negotiate over Lucas Moura with agent Wagner Ribeiro given the green light to travel to England and talk to United. Ribeiro had indicated the deal was off but Terra feels a transfer can be sealed for 40million, although possibly not until after the Olympics. Lucas is said to be keen on moving to Old Trafford.'

Cut and Paste from MU website.

Not so sure about this happening after the olympics as the article says, because of the extra percentage from 1st August going to Moura but maybe the percentage can be negotiated.

Red Joe

The christian post has reported that man utd has agreed a 26 million pound fee for lucas moura

24 Jul 2012 18:16:42
The words of President of Benfica just shows that there is very little, if any value in the transfer market. He says that Axel Witsel is worth 40 Million Euros - rediculous. He's worth half of that amount. Hopefully the financial fair play becomes in as soon no top flight player will be worth under £20 million - the transfer system is becoming a bigger joke every day.

RedDevil19

He's worth 15 million quid at most

Really do Ronaldo fu**ed this all up going for that much really Kaka was worth around that much the odd good player was going for 30m but then Ronaldo blew them all out the water not really his fault for getting sold for so much but that deal has increased everyones value by at least 30%

Nah hes worth more than 15 id say his value is between 20 - 30 mill hes the real deal top player he plays for a C.L side who only just got him a year ago and if porto are said to be after 30 mil for moutinho then witsel should be around that mark considering hes younger and better imo hes taylor made for a top prem side.

marlow

The arrival of Russian and Arab blood money is what has ruined the transfer market not the odd transfer such as Ronaldo. Some of these club owners know that fools and their money are easily parted and the prices rocket.

Saying that andy Carroll going for 35m must hike any players value that's on his way to the premiership

Dustbin

It's up to the selling club for what they value and want for there own player , we can't afford to compete so stop moaning about prices it's evolution in the late 90s players were cheaper thn then in the twentyif they were more expensive now in the 21st they are more expensive agen , it's no one fault it's evolution just all these billionaire owners have just acelirated the progression of fees

Dio

24 Jul 2012 16:59:30
Close source from carrington.. Moura deal is still on! His agent isn't getting his way so has decided to chuck his toys out of his pram... The deal suits Sau Paulo and Moura wants to come end... Greedy Agents! They deserve peanuts!

Im a United fan and ive seen it all before, were linked with top players but thats it, rarely do we sign them especially when there in demand like Lucas and Van Persie. There is anout a 98% chance that we end up with neither of the two.

I can believe this post. What kind of nutter would want a part ownership with inter it would be a disaster for the player. His agent just seems to want to rinse Lucas for all he's worth regardless of what is best for his future.

Isn't his agent his dad??

How accurate is this source?

Caolán.

It isnt a source,hes read it on sportswitness on twa**er lads.
mick the red fireman

His agent is his dad

His "Agent" ist wagner ribero who is Göring through a messy divorce apparently, and is desperate to make money to pay his wife out.
His dad wouldn't have the needed licence, i imagine

Jonny8

24 Jul 2012 13:04:32
What's the situation with Iturbe?Scored a ridiculous goal against celta vigo some time back.Really good prospect.Ed's,any idea?

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

From what I know, we have a first option on him, nothing more. There will be no move for him at this time.

RedDevil19

24 Jul 2012 15:32:00
read somewhere that united had a 15m bid rejected for RVP. can this be true? hope it is and that we make another one. would LOVE to see him in a united shirt, and would work really well with rooney. might limit our spending money a bit, though.
nov00

Have to say that I'm not 100% on van persie. Sure he scored alot last year but with him being 29 and very injury prone he's a big risk unless he;s on the cheap. Also, he strikes me as a bit of a ''mark viduka type'' - plays well and injury free when it comes to contract signing time. Anyway, what about Welbeck, Little pea and so on - surely they need game time.

Isn't Kagawa going to be playin in the hole behind a striker (probably rooney)

.??? {Ed004's Note - He has played out left before for Dortmund}

24 Jul 2012 10:32:11
Dont start paniking about Moura just because Sky Sports are saying it is off, I will just be his agent trying to get more money hoping someone else will bid late on. As long as the player wants us and we want him he will be our man by the end of summer.

1redarmy

Chelsea had an offer of over £30m turned down so unless you offer in the region of £35 plus you can forget it.

Or it could be the fact he didn't want to go to chelski due to the fact everyone at the club seems to play in his position?

1redarmy

Thats one of the strange things about the deal , chelsea have already had a £32 mill offer turned down and walked away
jred

It really a sad news guys...how we are going to challenge chelsea...

This Chelsea offer was from last year. As the agent pointed out, the market changes and the value of money on the market changes.

MDJ

Well skysports said we were signing hazard, look how that turned out.

Sky sports is just as unreliable as the papers

MUFC1990

I posted this yesterday but it didn't get posted. Proves how unreliable Sky are, even though people seem to think what they say is gospel:

teenage midfielder Paul Pogba has agreed to sign a new contract to stay at Manchester United.

Pogba's future at Old Trafford was uncertain as he was due to be out of contract at the end of the season and had been heavily linked with a move to Juventus.
The 18-year-old's situation was recently described as 'precarious' by his agent and speculation had suggested Pogba was set to leave United.

It is now understood that Pogba has elected to continue his career with the reigning champions and has agreed terms with the club.

'' means please have a bet with Skybet!

GDS

Mdj
the chelsea offer was from the start of the transfer window , they also had a bid turned down last jan
jred

Who disagreed with my post?

It was on the sky sports website on March 12th, you would be able to find it by searching that text in google.

Was just to prove Sky make stuff up!

GDS

GDS

I completely agree, whenever you read/hear '' you know they dont have anything concrete as such but adding 2+2 and occasionally getting 4.

And its all about context, that Ribiero fella seems to be baiting united to bid. The old reverse psychology , 'they have reached their limit, Lucas will stay blah blah' yet sky read this as gospel and run the headline Moura deal off. When was it ever on? Well we shall all see by the end of August. I think it will drag out all summer like Ed002 has said more than once. Nothing in this is black and white.

Sorry for going off on a tangent, my main point is good post GDS Sky sports is not gospel.

Cban

Sky gets things wrong jsut as everybody else does, they have to rely on rumours and validate them as well. I think they get more stories correct than most other sites and dont usualyl jump straight on to a rumour liek most. However they are there to serve there own purposes, so like peopl esay dont take anything as gospel until it has been confirmed by the club. I get a strange feeling about this transfer. The agent and Lucas own 20% of the rights. Rumours of a £26m fee agreed and then agent and club deny anything has been finalised. Then Fergy comes out and says Hazard deal was ridiculous looking at wages and fees etc etc. Next day agent says deal is of? Hmmm Being Angela Landsbury has perhaps a £26m fee been agreed with the club for the 80%, but nothing finalised with the agent for his fee as he wants more and Fergy is playing min dgames with his Hazard speech to show authority over the greedy agent, who then coms out to say the deal is off as an act of defiance? May be putting 1+1 and getting 3. But the agent has spoke, both clubs have spoken and it seems either the agent and/or club want more money and we dont really want to pay it. WOuld be interesting to actually know what Lucas feels as all we have is the supposed quotes from Rafael?
Invisible STuey

I am sure Ed002 said Chelsea made two bids in January, none have been recent. I didn't realise his agent was Wagner Ribeiro, he is notoriously hard to deal with.

Sydney!

You do need to be very careful what you read on Sky. Remember them reporting they'd seen Phil Jones at Melwood - on the day he signed for United? Or stating that United had made a late bid for Charlie Adam - when he was at LFC negotiating terms?

They purposefully muddy the waters on transfers where all the betting money is going one way.

DarkLard08

Seems to me both sides of the deal are playing hardball. We have bid what we think to be a fair price by all accounts, the agent is goading us into making a higher offer by saying we have reached our limit.....I guess it's down to whether one side breaks before the other, otherwise Moura may well remain in Brazil until January at least

Gav

Chelsea bid at the start of the transfer window for Lucas as did inter
Jred {Ed002's Note - No.}

I wonder how much overlap there is between sky sports and . Wouldn't shock me if any of sky sports coverage has to do with pushing bets one way or the other. I'm just saying, ESPN doesn't have a betting business. -KG

24 Jul 2012 09:46:50
The Moura deal is off according to his agent on the Sly Sports website.

DB-Red

For some reason, they've removed it?

TRUMORS

Never mind.

TRUMORS

24 Jul 2012 09:23:28
They have reached their limit," Ribeiro told UOL.

"Lucas Moura won't leave. He is happy at Sao Paulo. we have to forget this subject. There is no possibility he leaves now.

"Manchester United made an offer, which was rejected and they won't make another one as they reached their limit."

sorry for copy n paste.

JK92 (not same person as JK or JK93)

Maybe he is fishing for another bid, egging united on if you will

Cban

Now there's a shock! Another player to add to the list that we 'tried' to buy but failed. Expect him to now move to Inter or similar. Fergies not fooling anybody when he says he has the full backing of the Glazers.
It's like being in the sweet shop where the other kids are allowed the nice sweets and we have to make do with the penny chews!

Its gonna be VERY interestng to see how some of our more 'positive' regulars spin this one. If we fail, but 'tried' again, I cannot wait to see what excuses are made.

Especially with RVP and Moura rumours coinciding with the shares flotation and season ticket renewals/

RED_SKY

RED_SKY

So you would just carry on bidding and bidding and overpay for every player? And what happens when every other club realises you'll overpay and starts getting greedier and asking for even more?

I'm really getting bored of the cynical spin that gets put on things. It's easy to be cynical and to make everything into a conspiracy because it means you don't have to deal with the reality of a situation - and that reality is that if you're spending huge sums of money on something, you need to make sure it's right.

Presumably some of the United fans on here would pay 50 grand for a Ford Focus if it was the car they wanted and the person refused to sell it at a lower price?

DarkLard08

I agree yet again we just missed out because we have our principles on what we should pay. its just a shame that our valuation always seems to be lower than what the club is looking for. no other teams seem to have this problem.

Some people might say that it is a lucky coincidence that every summer we go for top name players but just miss out.

shame we didnt have these principles when we were paying 7 mill for someone from the portuguese second division.some people might think to do that there must of been some nice kick backs for certain people.


oh well nice new holiday home for the uncle malc now instead.all clouds have a silver lining

Ralph

Bottom line is to compete these days we have to spend more. Only reason we have had success in last few years is Fergie is a genius at getting most out of what he has. If we lose Fergie anytime soon, without investment we will be screwed. continue as we are with Fegie and we still have no chance of competing with the likes of Barca or City. We have to have investment in quality players.
Woffsta

Hit the nail on the head spot on!

DarkLard08

Nah mate. I wouldn't have bothered to begin with - £40m for an unproven, raw talent from the South American leagues? Very, very risky. Not saying he wouldn't be a hit, but why him, but no funds available for established game-changers?

Are you also of the mindset that Gill/SAF do not play mind games with season ticket-buyers? Do you not in the slightest think it's strange for SAF - a man of silence, at the best of times concrning transfers - has spoke boldly of both RVP and Moura, just at the same time season tickets need renewing and the shares issue?

Seriously? You don't even remotely question what you're told?

RED_SKY

RED_SKY

There have been plenty of occasions in the past when Fergie has come out and spoken about transfers or his admiration for certain players when he felt it might help him land the player (Hargreaves being a prime example). There was also an awful lot of speculation in the media, and I'm sure the background noise wasn't helping. I view these things pretty simply because, contrary to popular belief, most things in life are pretty simple, and its the observers who try to make them more complicated to fit their agendas.

I also very much doubt "potential" transfers as opposed to actuals would sway people buying into the share issue.

Anyway, by your own admission, there's no pleasing you... If they spend the money on Moura, it'll be too much, and if they don't, it'll just prove your conspiracy theory right because they weren't willing to spend too much.

DarkLard08

RED_SKY

On one hand you don't think we should have gone in for him because he's too expensive for an unproven player but on the other hand you don't think we have the money anyway?

I wouldn't believe all that Sky Sports report anyway! I don't take what they say as gospel

And yes, I'm sure our manager plays mind games but then what do you think Moura's agent is doing by coming out with this quote, saying we have reached our limit? Is that even true? Would SAF/Gill have told him that personally? I doubt it

The one thing I don't get about the 'negative posters' is don't you remember that things were the same pre-Glazer's? Talk of being in for Batistuta, then Ronaldinho - yet neither arrived. We ended up with an unknown but promising youngster called Ronaldo having failed on Ronaldinho...that didn't end up too badly tho'!

The only genuine 'world class' player we have EVER bought in my estimation was Veron. Again, look how that turned out....

Are things really that different under the Glazer's?

Gav

24 Jul 2012 08:54:22
RVP will be going to Juve when they submit a bid of 18 mill plus over the next few days. We are not willing to risk that amount on RVP.

We will announce Lewandowski just after this.

Moura will be the high price signing of the summer, announced after the Olympics as suspected. Player is happy but club final price not yet agreed. Probably by end of the month, again no announcement planned.

No Baines or Modric or anyone after that.


Berba going to Zenit or Galatasary, awaiting best offer, player wants Zenit but happy to go either for starting football.

There may be another midfield exit, not rumoured of late but already speculated. A few clubs on stand-by for when Moura completes.

ManUmicK

Sounds about right - I kind thought Arse would ask him to 'move abroad' to avoid selling to another premiership side (which should be outlawed) Ha! Greedy git that I am...I had hoped we would get both...dream on eh!