Manchester United Rumours Archive May 25 2012

25 May 2012 22:12:00
Our �16m for Kagawa has been rejected by Dortmund......,Whats next?

According to talk sport are going back in with a �16m bid which they expect Dortmund to accept

Langers

16'000'000.01?

If we sign Hazard...than there is no reason to be afraid. If, on the other hand, we loose him... I guess we are in pretty bad shape! XD

ps: not THAT bad, just...bad.

16'000'000 + Bebe (please) ?

Up It to �15million........thats still a great price.

Bit late on that arent you? As we have already put in another bid of �16 million so around 19/20 million euro.
Carl

16 mil has now doubled from first interest at 8 mill whats going on here

No it was not the dortmund team mayb jus reviewing the transfer or lose him fo free nxt year ....

Utd have only made one bid so far, 16m or in � sterling, approx 13.6. They're now going in at �16m which is circa 20m which they expect Dortmund to accept

Langers

@ Carl. How do you know United have bid again ? Plus it hasn't even been confirmed that United have bid in the first place let alone it being rejected and making a 2nd offer. DantheDevil

I'm sure I few days ago I said its been rejected but some people said I was chatting BS.

now who looks the fool.

LUHG

Just relax and let the club's negotiate. I do not care if we pay �17m for him as long as we wrap up the deal.

Sydney!

Lol sydney YOU'RE not paying em...the price has to be sensible enough....

I do not give a she*p what we pay for him as long as we get him. Another season with people crying over a midfielder not being signed is something I want to avoid ;)

Kagawa at Arsenal or Liverpool with four years left on his contract would be a �25m+ player. So what if we have to pay �15m for him, the important thing is getting him. I imagine a lot of the fee will be in add-ons anyway and will be paid in five yearly installments.

Sydney!

25 May 2012 19:51:12
Quick question: We seem to be in a good position for both Hazard and Kagawa, but do you guys think it would be realistic to sign both? Especially if Hazard comes and plays the no. 10 role where would Kagawa fit in? What do you guys think, and who would you prefer?

MattL

I'd prefer Hazard, if we were to to both ( I doubt it )Hazard would be in a central role with kagawa playing in positions all over the park, winger attacking mid etc. If ge signs SAF is probably intending to turn hazard into forward, like he did with Ronaldo
plus I get the idea that kagawa silks when he plays all in an unfavoured position, also he needs to be bought into the game by his teammates and seems to shoot alot which is the reason why he scored a fair few with BVB

Kagawa can play on the left as well, by the way u dont hve to worry about that im sure saf will know what to do with them

Both of them we need them for they will definately add flair to our midfield and let Giggs and Scholes rest,before they take over second half of the season

It doesn't matter, they wouldn't have fixed positions! SAF likes versatile players that can play comfortably in a number of positions, Kagawa and Hazard both fit in this category! It will cause havoc and i have all my fingers and toes crossed that these TWO players come in. Both are incredibly talented.

Ozwald

I would rather have Hazard in the squad.
I not too convinced of Asian players right now. I have not watched too much of Kagawa to be honest but we need someone like Sneijder who can boss that midfield. Arghh even if we get Keano out of retirement i would be happy, our current midfield is very very poor.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't kagawa left footed? For me I would set up with him on the left side of a midfield three hazard centre and Toni on the right. With two holding players, allowing the above three to have the freedom to roam wherever they want linking with Rooney up top.
Nathan

Kagawa is right footed and best played in the #10 position

25 May 2012 19:22:39
Izza, Strootman, Kagawa, Hazard & Hulk. Now THAT would be a result.

Flying Pig

Hulk isn't going to happen...he'd cost 40 mill and he wants to be the centre of attention

Pigs may fly!

What we need up front is a Striker Goal Getter,old fashion striker,they way ruud van nistelrooy was.so if we get one of them,cavani,mario gomez,Robert Lewandowski,with hazard and kagawa.that will make us very strong mate.

ferdcoast

Fercoast av u not see the play umm wa his name Hernandez ! who is one of the best poachers in world football the only reason he not scoring 20+ goals is coz we have been very un creative as a team this season ! So y the hell would we spend 20+ million web we got tht type of player already!!!

I don't disrespect chicharito,in a big club like manutd we can have 4 top strikers.do you remember the time we have ted,cole,yorke and super sub? all of them can score goals at anytime and game and we used to score goals for fun ,dani is good but he need time to become world class striker,and we can't sit down and wait while mancity want to take over the city.so still we need someone who can score 30 goals a season + wayne+chicharito+ dani and other players = 20 champions trophies.

ferdcoast

Chelsea are close to signing hulk from porto

He's not incredible

25 May 2012 18:34:22
Alot has been said with regards Dave Whelan's statement that SAF will retire in 2013 and all I can add is that I hope such statements dont reach our potential transfer targets. One of our advantages at present is that there are no unknowns. A player knows what he is coming to join. Reports claim that Hazard was impressed with what Ferguson had to say when they met; now if that is true then the last thing we need Hazard to hear is that the same manager might be off at the end of next season. In summary Dave Whelan needs to worry about his own, soon to be managerless, club and keep his nose out of ours.

TK-Red

I think this is a very valid statement. The old bloke must talk about his team and leave United alone. He will scare our targets.

He doesn't have any knowledge of SAF quitting, he's just giving his unwanted opinion. I think he's good for 2 - 3 more seasons, maybe more. I hope he stays manager here for twenty five more seasons.
Mik

Your forgetting this guy has run a massive sports store selling it and making himself even richer on top of that he has sponsored Wigan rugby in the past to glory. and the football club helped build them a stadium and surrounding sports complex. You think your entitled to say what you like and he ain't earned the right , think he probably has a better understanding of the football world than you kiddo

If Hazard has any sense he won't listen to an aul' fella crowing in some back water anyway. Whelan has a rep for being an person he should stick to selling jerseys.

25 May 2012 17:06:59
Robben being booed by his own fans, he has a poor attitude already and this could mean he wants to leave, personally i think he would be a good signing, but i cant see it happening due to his attitude and the presence of all the other wingers, however i would take robben over hazard, robber is a proven world class player and has done well in the league before, hazard seems a bit too big time charlie for me.

Robbens just signed a new contract, more money 170k a week i think plus they would want more for him than hazard.

You are surely kidding Robben hurts himself getting off the physio's table I wouldn't want him for free

Pardoe

It's not even his attitude, he's just not a good player. Never performed on the big stage. No thanks.

MattL

And Robben isn't a big time Charlie? Sort it out.

Percy

Na no way, Robben has had many injuries over the years, and his attitude stinks, plus he is such an actor, we were after him before he joined chelsea and Fergie will never sign a player who turned him down before! I would never take Robben, and I don't Robben is world class, becuase he is no team player. Hazard over Robben any day due to Hazards potential!!

I suppose your right, but when before has a player agreed terms with three clubs?! and dictated he will choose where he wants to play? come on.

Jake

"fergie will never sign a player who has turned him down before".....Alan shearer ring a bell. fergie tried twice, firstly from southampton and he signed for blackburn and when he turned us down again to sign for newcastle. but i agree i deffo dont want robben

I think he sign new contract like two weeks ago.so two buy a player who have 3 or more years on his contract you need to spend a lot of money.as we all know robben can't play 5 game without getting injury.for god sake we had injury nightmare last season,we don't need that next season.i'm big fan of anderson but if you ask me now,i'll be so happy if we sell him and buy matinez from bilbao.i know his too expensive but we can use him and �15m.

ferdcoast

25 May 2012 16:11:49
Even if we only bought kagawa and asamoah id be happy this summer ...... but i think we should go all out for yan m'villa he is class imo

I'd rather pay the extra �10million and acquire Martinez

A.R

U mad?

Martinez would be my first choice and then m'vila as backup and strootman as backup to him. if none were available then i would go with what we have... + kagawa

Oxred

I like m'villa a lot,his very strong,but united we used to score goals using every player on the pitch,eg bruce,denis,kean,berks,scholes,giggs,yorke cole i mean from defenders up to strikers which now days we don't have that.we depend a lot on wayne. m'villa has low goalscoring ratio to compare to martinez.martinez can play even centre half position if we need him.so for me martinez is best option for us.

ferdcoast

25 May 2012 14:24:28
Eds,

What is the postion as it stands regarding kaovic, there was supposed interest from manchester united in jan is this still their and were at present do you think his most likely destination is?

james mufc {Ed002's Note - It is all covered by existing answers - figure out how to spell his name and use the search function.}

25 May 2012 14:23:02
Hi Eds.

Sir Alex Ferguson will retire "after next season" due to health concerns, according to Dave Whelan, the Wigan Athletic chairman.

Whelan, who is a close friend of the Manchester United manager, told Disney Sports: "After next season, Sir Alex will call it a day. The pressure is telling, especially when you are at the top for so long. The older you get the harder it is to cope with all that pressure, and eventually it will affect you. Sir Alex is resilient and I know he will want to carry on until he drops, and I respect what he has achieved as everyone does."


Whats your thought on that? {Ed007's Note - I think Dave Whelan should keep his mouth shut.}

Haha that's a class answer

Anyone else noticed he seems to be breaking news to the press almost every day at the moment? (Whelan) He's anounced Martinez has been offered the L'pool job today before they've even anounced anything! I think he's been taking media tips from Eden Hazard...

Gav

I'm a Wigan lad, I live near Dave whelan and see him daily and hes always said ferguson will retire in the 2013-14 season

Well said eds

25 May 2012 14:50:46
guys have u noticed or not if we sign hazard and kagawa ..... and send park anderson out that would mean we wont have any left legged midfielder except for Sir ryan giggs

Kagawa is as good with either foot & sometimes plays on the left wing

RedSpark

Our lack of good/consistent left footed midfielders has been a problem for a while now. getting rid of ando and park wouldnt change that

Jaxer

Perhaps that's were the Kevin Strootman rumours could be coming from, I could be wrong but I think he's left footed and a class player to boot. Karlos

Hazard is left footed ? i know he doesnt like it there but he will play on the left of a 3 ( mostley) but this does mean tucking in when needed not defending as such just an outlet and to keep the shape and width, but i would think it would be a very fluid system( if we are defending Rooney will prop go left lol)

Weststandupper

Which park? since when park used left leg mate? assume his left leg,so do you want us to keep player who don't have any impact in the squad for the sake of using left leg? also don't forget we have linked with gaitan,his left legged.

ferdcoast

25 May 2012 12:54:46
Man utd are closing in on both kagawa and hazard, kagawa always wanted man utd of course and man utd are confident that hazard will pick them

25 May 2012 12:21:56
I think will sign Kagawa and Hazard "only" we already have a strikers,Danny and Chicharito,and Hazard can play behind Wazza,what do you guys think??

I actually completely agree with the fact we won't be getting a striker if we get hazard and kagawa.
Carl

Think we need a quality left back, evra good going forward but has developed a stand ten yards away put your arms behind your back and watch them cross techique of defending.

Still wondering why we're not going after a quality CM/DM. It's been the weakest part of the team since Roy Keane and the main difference between us and City.

25 May 2012 11:29:28
What do you guys think of us signing Asamoah from Udinese? To me that would be a step in the wrong direction. He's good, no wonder. But he is not class, and Serie A is a slow league.

But Juventus are in for him, and with Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio all on their books, why on earth should Pogba go there? He doesn't stand a chance!

Moen#7

I dunno, Only seen him a couple of times, but looked a bit like he might develop into a real powerhouse box-to-box type. he's young enough that you can't really tell. I'd rather get M'villa though.

25 May 2012 11:08:23
Considering we will need another forward when berba leaves, what about Gio Rossi from Villarreal? They've just gone down so he would be on the cheap, plus he's injured so that may drive the price down even further.

Philipvhs93

UTD sold him only 5 years ago, after he struggled to prove himself in the EPL, with only 1 goal after a season at OT and half on loan at Newcastle. His injury is long term as well

Ah yes, he is injured so lets buy him! Are you crazy, we let him go because he wasn't good enough for us. I am sure he will leave quite cheaply but with his injury he may have to stay with them until January.

GDS

"UTD sold him only 5 years ago, after he struggled to prove himself in the EPL, with only 1 goal after a season at OT and half on loan at Newcastle. His injury is long term as well"

That's a bit harsh on him! he wanted regular football from what i remember and made a footballing decision to leave! he has improve immensely since he left! I think he's better than both Hernandez and Welbeck...

Lets be honest he didn't really get a chance to prove himself did he. Have a look at the amount of games he got for United. He should of been given more time considering some of the players that we have kept who are alot worse

Simmo

What about Demba Ba? Read that he apparently has a �7m release clause, scored goals for Newcastle and West Ham, proven track record in EPL unlike some of the �20m+ Strikers United have been linked to so far. Looks like the young lad Davis from Crewe will be first signing of the summer. Kagawa also looks likely to happen according to the papers. Personally players I'd like to see coming would be Baines from Everton, Yann M'Vila from Rennes to give the midfield some bite, Hazard to provide the midfield with extra creativity and penetration and then a striker such as Ba to contribute to the goal tally.

Why would he want to come back? He was deemed not good enough, footballers have egos - some bigger than others, granted - and Rossi wouldn't want to come back IMO. Leave Spain, to come back to rainy England where he was deemed surplus to requirements? No chance.

RED_SKY

If he had a buy back clause or something which i think he did then surely fergie thought he was good enough

That would be class

Yesterdays man and injured lets go for him eh

25 May 2012 10:57:05
Most of the people are forgetting one of the most important stumbling block for Hazard's signing. Pep Guardiola is ready to take Chelsea's job. I don't have a single doubt over this, he'll certainly go to Chelsea and Chelsea are ready to spend BIG this summer. With Guardiloa choosing Chelsea, I think Hazard would certainly be moving to Chelsea now. Everyone's an admirer of Pep and who wouldn't want to work under him? Chelsea will offer good wages to Hazard and I believe also more playing time and that too in the the position he really wants to play.

We should move on from here and forget about Hazard. Don't be disappointed, he's not the end of the world. I hope Eds agree with me.

Saleemi

Guardiola aint going Chelsea not for a few months anyway he even said on Sky Sports News that he's "Re-charging his batteries first" but if a offer comes after he might concider it.

United4Ever.

Pep isn't taking the Chelsea job...he said he is taking time out of football so good knows where you have dreamt that idea up???
Silly post!

Simmo

I wouldn't be surprised to see Pep end up at Chelsea. Not sure he is coming this summer. Also, since when does Pep have more pull in world football than Alex Ferguson?

Missing out on Hazard wouldn;t be the end of the world. But, let's wait to move on until he has actually made a decision on where he is going.

I'm personally more excited by the prospect of Kagawa, but would love to see both in red next season.

MDJ

What makes you so sure that Pep will join Chelsea? He has stated several times that he is taking a break from Football.

Why would Eds agree when your talking tripe!..the basis on your whole argument of united not getting Hazard is on Pep joining Chelsea, which isn't going to happen this year. Pep doesn't leave Barca till next week, saying he wants a break from the game!..he is hardly going to join Chelsea a week later as he would lose all credibility he has built up.

Steve the red

Not sure why such a big deal is being made about Pep? When he took on the Barcelona team he had a team of fantastic players, fair enough he's done well with them but a majority of world class managers could have done the same. It's not as if he's taken on a team in turmoil and then turned them into one of the most successful clubs of all time? People tend to go on about the likes of Mourinho and Guardiola nowadays but seem to forget about the manager that every other manager thrives to be as successful as.

rpc

"Everyone's an admirer of Pep and who wouldn't want to work under him?"



Who wouldn't want to work under Sir Alex? They'd have to be a little messed up in the head.

2 things aint gonna happen this summer:
- Hazard going to Arsenal (they announced their �32m bid yesterday)
- Guardiola going anywhere let alone Chelsea. He's taking time off from being successful in one of the most high pressure management jobs in football. If he thought he could get by with just the usual summer break he would have stopped at Barca!!!

I do remember a Spanish guy (cant remember his name, wrote a book on Guardiolas 3 year Barca plan, very good book).
He recently hinted somewhere that Guardiola has been given details on London properties. However as people have said he is going to take a break and wont be taking charge of anybody this summer by the sounds of it. If the London rumour is true, with his philosiphy of bringing through youngsters to play a certain way, would Arsenal not seem just as if not more likely than Chelsea perhaps anyway? I would Hazard a guess if De Matteo is replaced this summer though Saleemi it would be unlikely Guardiola will be coming a year later, and how you really think any of this is seriously influencing or even a consideration to Hazard is a stange one
Invisible STuey

He has said this morning he only needs a 1 month break and if a club can seduce him he will be ready to take the job. Absolute nailed on for Chelsea i would say

25 May 2012 17:52:44
Guys, cool down. No Guardiola is not taking a year long break. I totally believe that was just an excuse to get done with Barcelona. He favored a move a move to England anyway. Even last year he wanted to quit Barcelona but somehow they managed to take his signature for another year. Spanish league is full of politics. He wanted a bigger task, and I am sure he's heading to Chelsea.

And this is for all those who believe that he's going to be out of Football for a year..

Guardiola's interview, and a pretty authentic source?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1078413/pep-guardiola-open-to-job-offers-this-summer?cc=4716

Read it and then have your say :)

Saleemi

Guardiola is Barca through and through, I don't think he would disrespect his team by doing a dirty on them and leave under false pretences. He seems a genuine man and if he wanted a short rest before leaving for pastures new, I think he would've done it the right way.
Mitch

25 May 2012 09:24:35
I think the signing of Hazard has hit a massive stumbling block with his comments today. Can you really imagine a player dictating to SAF what position he should be playing or how many games he plays over a season?

He has not dictated anything he only said where he prefers to play and that his decision in choosing who he,ll eventually sign for will be based on footballing reasons. So if he has agreed personal terms with all teams involved then obviously SAF must be happy with him or we would not have made him any offer that means no stumbling block just him deciding who he plays for and hopefully SAF has convinced him that is united
Onecut {Ed002's Note - There has been no agreement with Lille by any of the involved clubs at this time - and some may decide not to bid at all.}

Is that not a bit back to front though Ed, surely the buying clubs have to approach the selling club first. Or do they only need permission to approach said player?

Sambo {Ed002's Note - Discussions have taken place with his agent. The issues that were concerning Chelsea have come to to fore with his talking to the press. Bico has also spoken with afourth club to try and get them involved. It is not Arsenal.}

Won't be an issue at all, he's stated what's going to factor his decision for choosing a club, simple stuff really.

rpc

Yeah their names are Ravel Morrison and Paul Pogba.

Shappy

25 May 2012 07:49:16
Does anyone know what happend to bebe? Is he still on uniteds books? he's got to be one of the worst signings ever made, up there with massimo tiabi (excuse the spelling)!

He went on loan to beshiktas and got a really bad injury.


Anon

He went out on loan this year and remember he was disciplined for breaking rules or something. I think he went clubbing.
The guys useless anyway!

Yes he broke a curfew with Besiktas, the club which he was loaned to. They had the chance to buy him out of his contract, doubtful now though. I guess he might play pre season, time to prove himself I guess. I think he has talent but Fergie brought him without knowing how he player, risky.

You've got to speculate to accumulate. Any loss on his transfer can be written off against tax

25 May 2012 10:53:40
Interesting article on the whole sad Bebe affair:

www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/10/portugese-police-manchester-united-bebe-transfer

Bebe is back at OT and ready to start playing next season.

25 May 2012 04:28:13
Ok i really hope hazard chooses us. but i have a big hint hes going to choose chelsea... he will be a superstar at us. big stories also coming outta old trafford is we will confirm kagawa signing around 3rd of june. we will also sign a striker giroud or the pol lewandaoski. we will also tie up a 11.5m deal for baines. so will b superb summer. Outs berba owen park,maybe nani. which i hope not. getting exicted already look at our midfield hazard kagawa valencia young nani scholes giggs flecther carrick cleverly anderson. Mufc till i die lets kick ass next season... utd utd utd..

Good laaad. I do also think nani may go, some midfield if he stays and those two arrive. people are underestimating baines aswell.

I respect your opinion highly, in my estimation this test seems the most reliable. Hazard although costing 30 million would have the hardest competition at us. He said he needs to play often well chelsea offer him that more then us and city.

Nani i do think is brillant, so much competition between him young and valencia. I would rather keep him and not have hazard, I would rather spend thrity million on kagawa and a striker.