Manchester United Rumours Archive June 28 2013

28 Jun 2013 17:38:21
6 months before the event I was told owen was joining united thought to myself what a joke that is, now the same person tells me any deal with barca will mean vidic going the other way, is that the reason we looking at garry (spelling ) something to think over

Unlikely, Vidic is our captain and a very good one. Still our best CB by a long way.

Ozwald

But Thiago has a buyout clause. We have no reason to offer anything but the €18m or whatever it is, as long as Thiago wants to come to us Barca are powerless to stop it as Dortmund were with Gotze.

That doesn't mean we aren't selling Vidic to Barca seperately of course.

Brendan81

Sorry but that doesn't mean anything. I also predicted Owen, purely on the basis that it was a logical move, doesn't mean I know jack about the details of the offer being discussed with Barca.

I already broke my run of predictive form, my last transfer predictions have been Owen to utd, Owen to stoke, Charlie Adams to stoke, and Gibson to Everton, all predicted at least 3 months in advance and before any major rumours to the same effect appeared, all correct. This year, I've already got Gotze and Moutinho wrong.

Michael Owen?

Why would we offer Vidic when we can easily afford £18 million

Melwing28

Why not do it for sweet FA Vidic is good but injuries are playing havoc with our CBs

Oh and no name that can predict everything 3 months in advance care to give me some for this pre-season that's unknown so I can bet on it?

Oh yeh and William hill blow they need 24-48 hours for a bet like that to give a price

Im pretty sure I seen a interview with owen and he said that the night before he was meant to sign for someone fergie rang him and up till then even owen him self didn't no about a move to united was possible so unless the interview I watch owen was lying or the personal telling you is either psychic or is fergy him self

Ok, pardoe, my point was that predicting a particular transfer doesn't mean someone has inside knowledge. I have accurately predicted several transfers over the last few years, but I have no inside knowledge, it's educated guesses. As illustrated by the fact I haven't got any right this summer.

For what it worth and it is totally un corroborated I was told a few weeks ago that Vidic was wanted by Real Madrid potentially forming part of any Ronaldo deal and United were not ruling it out. Barca need a defender but unless we switch targets to Fabregas we don't need to let Vidic go as part of the Thiago deal. Excellent player but he is 31 and we don't know how his knee injury will affect him going forward, hence there may be a decision to make this summer.

Red Man

What about a deal for Sanchez including vidic?

I half expect something like

Real get
Vidic + 50m - for Ronaldo
City to pay 30m for pepe

Then
Madrid to pay 80m for bale

Wow. I liked that last post.
But I don't think Real Madrid needs a CB right now, unless, of course, they don't want to wait for Varane to completely evolve AND they're just fed up with Pepe, which is a pretty reasonable scenario.

MikonBR

28 Jun 2013 16:00:43
According to someone in the know about Thiago -

"There has been a mass of activity in recent days, and Liverpool really are not involved in this at all. "

REDFAITH

Who thought Liverpool were involved?

Sydney!

MU, BM, Chelsea or staying at Barcelona are the options Thiago has. Don't rule out City trying to gazump us at the final hour.

Sydney!

Sydney! Read between the lines maybe and check the liverpool site?

REDFAITH

What is this comment even about, no one even mentioned liverpool in the same breath as thiago, person

Comes straight from one of the eds on the liverpool page syd so don't try an shot him down

Dio1989

Liverpool don't have a chance of signong Thiago, Zilch!

Dio1989, shoot who own? It was a genuine question. I should have thought it was a Liverpool fan asking the editor.

REDFAITH, have a read of the Barcelona page my friend. Little bit of info there too.

Sydney!

Red faith I have been reading the same comments. The person in question seems to really know their stuff. Makes excellent reading

28 Jun 2013 13:45:52
According to Manchester evening news and don't quote me on this but they are saying that Rooney is ready to tell Moyes that he wants out.
Dunno if it is credible as I would have thought Rooney would probably be staying but if United want him to take a wage cut in a new contract then he probably is going.

Special K

As this is the second time he has asked to leave, I think we should get rid of him. We have plenty of fire power.

No problem at all, should I book a taxi now?

I know for sure, buy I can summise.
Conspiracy Theory in bullet form (My own thoughts so Eds don't get flack)
* Rooney's Lifestyle doesn't please SAF
* Rooney becomes inconsistent.
* SAF moves him around and maybe has a few Fatherly chats.
* Rooney gets the huff, and vents his spleen (said with a Scouse Accent)
* Rooney says he's unhappy with his roles, and SAF, says sort yourself out or ship out.
* Rooney mentions leaving but doesn't put in a request as he knows that it will cost him money.
* SAF leaves him out of latter games, Rooney sulks.
* SAF drops his bombshell about retiring, he's questioned and he mentions that Wazza wants to leave.
* Moyes gets briefed on the situation (after all him and Wazza fell out.
* New Regime, DM & EW, both don't want to be seen as 'firing' Number 10, but deep down would like to cash in on the player. After all MUFC wouldn't want Wazza to come back and do like RVP did to Arsenal.

So, my theories, some will be true, some will be conjecture. only time will tell.

For my part, Wayne has END OF SELL BY Stickers all over him.

Moyes won't be messed around he knows he needs to get off to a good start in his first season and I believe he will. he won't wait around for rooney to decide if he wants out or not. he will ask rooney do you want to stay or leave? if he says not sure or he wants out then moyes will find his replacement. personaly I want him to stay and be rejuvenated by the new manager and a fresh start

I say get him out, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch
ryan

Carryonvending: I think you are broadly right in your guesses. Nothing will be clearcut but it would be amazing if SAF was happy with some of Rooney's performances this last season. He doesn't deserve the vast wage he's on so the choice is his. Either he stays, gets really fit and accepts that he's not the star act anymore and accepts a pay cut or he moves on.

What about going to Borussia Dortmund and saying give us Lewandowski and you can have Rooney?
Tony197732

We'd be crazy to sell Rooney as a replacement will cost us 40m+. The player that some talk about on here, just isn't the player I see. Even last season, probably his worst, still saw him score or create an assist at the rate of just under one per game. That isn't bad at all for a guy in his worst season, having a stop start season due to injuries and playing deep midfield, attacking midfield, left wing, right wing, being subbed and sometimes not picked at all. Folk have such short memories. Thigo - Rooney -Kagawa would make a fantastic 3 to play behind RVP
Mik

Get rid he lost his form never really reached his potential Ronaldo to us Rooney to real in swap plus cash thiago and strootman plus Garay and braines title next year too lol! Lb utd

You're all persons for wanting to sell Rooney. Short sighted, reactionary persons.

Rooney has been playing off his reputation since his early 20's - another Joe Cole, Paul Gascoigne, Walcott, Owen, etc.

So what if he creates or scores an average of one a game, that would be impressive for a mid table team but not for the all attacking (sometimes) UTD. Stats like that don't show how much the ball is given away and how many moves come to an abrupt end because you get in the way or make the wrong decision with the ball.

Any one of the following players would have scored or created more in his striking position last season (Lewandowski, Hernandez, Higuain, Benzema, Villa, even the original Shrek Mr. TEVEZ). If we look at the deeper role, Kagawa, Mata, Thiago, Kroos, Goetze, Hazard, Moura and Nasri, all would have been more effective than Rooney, but they either didn't play much, we missed out on them or they would be potential acquisitions for us if the money was right (maybe not Mata, but going from rumours read last week there could be some swap talk).

Obviously some of these are no longer viable replacements, but all of them would have done more or will do more than Rooney either up top or in the hole. He is a spent force and probably would cost more in wages than all of them, more than likely double most!

It's time to say thanks for some great performances, but they are few and far between now and your wage and filling a key position isn't justified any longer. You have been paid hansomely despite holding our club to ransom, but this time we call your bluff and will sell you to some club with more money than sense, Chelsea is my bet - the next Shevchenko or Crespo.

Sween

Sween - Great post, well written, well thought through. Totally agreed with your assessments.

When your older car starts to play up, you can either retune & service it, or trade it in for a newer model.
There's a Moral there.

Sorry sween but you're missing the point. He wasn't played as a striker last season (except a couple of odd games), if he had been fair enough.

And saying that a top class midfielder would have been more effective in midfield than Rooney (who is a striker) is like playing vidic up front and saying rvp would have done it better. Congratulations Captain Obvious.

Yes he struggled, but if you play a player out of position, and don't even give him a chance to get used to a position, then you shouldn't be surprised if he constantly looks out of sorts. And maybe you should be pleased he still managed such a good ratio of goals and assists to games.

Maybe Moyes should move rvp round between cm, left wing, in the hole and even dm, and see how he does. Given your expectations of Rooney, I assume you think he'd play well?

Thorne

Thorne ask yourself, why was he moved around so much?And apart from 2 against city and 1 Chelsea in the cup, who did he get his goals against? Bottom half clubs.

Brendan81

Well, he wasn't moved around due to not performing up front, if that is what you are suggesting, because he didn't get played up front to start with.

He was moved around because SAF didn't want to leave out the player who has, at times, carried utd in the past, and who was second only to rvp for goals the previous season, but he wanted one up front, and he wanted that to be rvp.

SAF also moved Rooney around to cover the weaknesses in the squad, as even an out of position Rooney is better than relying on Nani or Ando (sadly, as I've been one of the most vocal every summer about keeping those two, but Ando won't stay fit and Nani can't string together two decent performances).

Rooney is versatile, he can play anywhere and still do a better job than most when not on their usual position. Doesn't mean he's going to look comfortable there, just that he can do it. He's our main player who can do this, and since we now have rvp to play up front, SAF had no problem using Rooney this way. And the assists and goals justify it, but don't change the fact he was out of position and looked it.

People often say about utd, that it is the hallmark of champions to grind out wins while playing badly. Thy is what Rooney did, even when struggling to play well in unfamiliar roles, he still kranked out goals and assists at a steady rate.

Excellent post, wish you'd left a name. I can't see Rooney surplanting rvp up front and I think kagawa has to play as our no 10' so where does that leave him?

I think he'd be very effective on the left of a front three cutting inside to shoot on his right, he's also good enough to go on the outside and get a cross in with his left.

whether Moyes sees it that way or Rooney would accept the role is a different matter. there would still be opportunity for him to play 9 and 10 but not necessarily in the first choice 11.

this would leave us needing just a right sided forward to upgrade on Tony 'one foot wonder' valencia, plus a new midfield of course!