29 Oct 2010 23:41:29
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{ed's note - you missed out on the league by one point because Chelsea nearly threw it away, they should have won by many more points. Lampard and Terry have missed a lot of games already this season, neither were missed at all, I would love to have your optimism, but I don't see them in trouble at all. Anderson, Evans, possibly Fabio (purely because of how good Evra is) and Welbeck are the ones I don't see making it. The rest all easily have the potential to make it, though I can see Fabio reverting to right back and Rafael being the one not making the grade, Fabio is, I believe, the better player of the two.}
@You are right Fabio is a much better defender, but they are just kids, they will come good, Welbeck will easily make it at United, he can play on both flanks and up top, he is first choice for the under 21s ahead of Sturridge and hes just 19. Anderson is about to sign a new deal at United according to the United Editor.
As for Chelsea, Terry has only missed one League game this season Ed, Lamps has missed a fair few but with Malouda, Drogba & Anelka there to fill in he has not been missed. Its in the dressing room that players like lamps & Terry would be missed Ed.
Ed you said Chelsea nearly through it away? So United never through games away? The Blackburn game to name one. You can also look at it another way Ed, Chelsea played a Liverpool team that had nothing to play for, a Stoke team that had noting to play for and a Wigan team who had nothing to play for. There last three games Ed all three teams rolled over for them.
Do you seriously think Liverpool would have rolled over if 4th spot was up for grabs? Me thinks not. Any good points there Ed? {ed's note - yes, but I still think Chelsea were clearly the best team in the league last season and if they hadn't won it they would only have themselves to blame. It is the same this season too, they are head and shoulders above the rest. I don't think Chelsea will miss Terry in the dressing room at all, if anything I feel the opposite, and Lampard is not exactly a big presence.}
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29 Oct 2010 23:21:33
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So Rooney's ahem 'ankle injury' may now keep him out of action for longer than the 3 weeks initially suggested.
Perhaps until the next transfer window?
The cynics are looking decidedly uncynical this evening. Ryan.
29 Oct 2010 23:20:28
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"People including yourself forget United missed out on the league by one point. So Ed who do you believe will not make it at United out of my list? {ed's note - you missed out on the league by one point because Chelsea nearly threw it away, they should have won by many more points. Lampard and Terry have missed a lot of games already this season, neither were missed at all, I would love to have your optimism, but I don't see them in trouble at all. Anderson, Evans, possibly Fabio (purely because of how good Evra is) and Welbeck are the ones I don't see making it. The rest all easily have the potential to make it, though I can see Fabio reverting to right back and Rafael being the one not making the grade, Fabio is, I believe, the better player of the two.}"
Ed, I don't want to get into an argument here but we were favourites for the title for nearly the whole season. The Rooney injury and Fergie's stupid decision to play the 3 oldies together vs Chelsea at OT tilted it in their favour 2 weeks before the end. The only reason Utd could go into decline is that Neville, Giggs and Scholes will probably retire next year and we still haven't replaced them. If Utd do spend big, as allegedly promised to Rooney, then we will still be the dominant team in the country.
With the new financial regulations coming into play in 2012, Chelsea will struggle to replace Terry, Lampard, Drogba and Anelka all at the same time.
Anyway, it is almost certain that Defour will be a Utd player come next summer. Who do you think Utd should go for to replace Giggs and Scholes? The likes of Ganso and Pastore will not be as good at Utd simply because of the way we structure our midfield (without an AM). I think Afellay would be a brilliant signing along with Bale. {ed's note - Modric or Bale would be good signings I think, for United. Afellay would be an excellent signing too, but I think Banega or Javi Martinez might well be the answer in midfield for you.}
29 Oct 2010 22:57:06
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And possibly Sanchez 21 to add to the pack, what do you think Ed, do you think United are in decline with a future like this? {ed's note - I actually do think you are showing signs of decline, most of those young players you have listed will not make the grade at United. Though the two players you talk about buying will keep you up there for a while yet. I can't believe you are still putting Rio in there, he is clearly struggling badly and hasn't got long left, Evans is just as clearly not good enough, you need to hope a centreback comes through from the reserves or you buy one of those as well. I don't believe United are yet in terminal decline, but changes need to be made soon before it does become a major problem. No longer is the title about finishing above United, it is now Chelsea who are the yardstick and that should be a worry to you.}
@Chelsea actually have bigger concerns in the next 2-3 seasons, they will need to replace about six first team players without a crumb to spend. Even if they replaced the whole six, the team is not going to be the same without Lamps, Drogba, Malouda & Terry.
Since Rio has been back he has conceded two goals, both against WBA both beyond his control, Rio has so far since his come back not put a foot wrong, since his back problem has cleared he is looking okay again.
People including yourself forget United missed out on the league by one point. So Ed who do you believe will not make it at United out of my list? {ed's note - you missed out on the league by one point because Chelsea nearly threw it away, they should have won by many more points. Lampard and Terry have missed a lot of games already this season, neither were missed at all, I would love to have your optimism, but I don't see them in trouble at all. Anderson, Evans, possibly Fabio (purely because of how good Evra is) and Welbeck are the ones I don't see making it. The rest all easily have the potential to make it, though I can see Fabio reverting to right back and Rafael being the one not making the grade, Fabio is, I believe, the better player of the two.}
29 Oct 2010 22:13:00
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I really couldn't care less where Rooney went. He's well overrated. When he wanted to leave man u every man u fan called he a fat ginger chap. You lot were saying torres as a replacement. Scholes, vds, giggs, berbatov, ferdinand, hargreaves and owen. Then you got a lot of 29 year olds in your squad. If man u are going to challenge then they need a lot of investment. Cough up glazers? Man u 750 million in debt according to ed. Aren't the glazers in 1.1 billion in debt?
I think man u fans are the least realistic.
Least when Liverpool were falling down they knew that they would have to sell to buy. Lucky enough for them they kept gerrard and torres.
Oh and any who says renia to man u for 12 million please grow a brain lol.
Man u are in decline. FACT
@Mate you are talking trash, say for example United buy Lindegaard & Defour, look at the ages of the players, we are going to be around a lot longer than you jokers.
_ _ _ _ _ Lindegaard26
_Rafa20_ Ferd31_ Vidic29_ Evra29
Toni25_ Fletch26_ Defour22_ Nani23
_ _ _Hernandez22_Rooney24
Anderson 22
Obertan 21
Smalling 21
Evans 22
Fabio 20
Cleverley 21
Bebe 20
Pogba 17
Keane 17
Morrison 17
Welbeck 19
Van Velzen 16
And possibly Sanchez 21 to add to the pack, what do you think Ed, do you think United are in decline with a future like this? {ed's note - I actually do think you are showing signs of decline, most of those young players you have listed will not make the grade at United. Though the two players you talk about buying will keep you up there for a while yet. I can't believe you are still putting Rio in there, he is clearly struggling badly and hasn't got long left, Evans is just as clearly not good enough, you need to hope a centreback comes through from the reserves or you buy one of those as well. I don't believe United are yet in terminal decline, but changes need to be made soon before it does become a major problem. No longer is the title about finishing above United, it is now Chelsea who are the yardstick and that should be a worry to you.}
29 Oct 2010 21:39:33
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Snejder just signed a new deal at inter. Sanchez looked good at the world cup for Chile this summer and Udinese arent doing well. Modric doesn't look happy at tottenham so there could be a swap deal involving michael carrick. Torres is a possibility. Goalkeeper wise we could either get de gea for 11m or neur for 9m. I just hope we will spend a bit of money in January.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I think that the best thing for United to do next summer is to concentrate on the areas that need improving, which would be midfield and goalkeeper. Torres? No way, it will simply hold back Hernandez plus he is very injury prone. Would love to see Bastian Schweinsteiger at the club, but Rodwell is a better option. Bale, in my opinion, is the ideal replacement for Giggs while Jordan Henderson is another possibility. Don't think we need Sanchez yet. For goalkeeper, David De Gea is the best long term option. We could get 20 years out of him. Don't rule out a move yet for Julio Cesar. Also, if anyone wants to know anything about goalkeepers that United have been linked with just let me know!
Do you agree Editor?
G.A.G.U.S {ed's note - I pretty much agree, though I fail to see why you don't want Sanchez, he offers pace and trickery, I don't see anyone at United offering that combination. Well Nani in fits and starts maybe, but Sanchez is outstanding and a United fan.}
29 Oct 2010 21:25:09
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Why would Liverpool fans bother reading the MANCHESTER UNITED rumours website. . seriously. .why bother trying to cause an arguement. .afterall you know which ship has never docked in Liverpool. .
(It's the Premiership btw)
Rudderpost
29 Oct 2010 21:01:05
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There will be 3 signings in January.Steven Defour(12M) and Alexis Sanchez(20M) will be bid for.a goalkeeper will be the third!defour and sanchez are no.1 targets right now!
29 Oct 2010 20:57:41
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29 Oct 2010 20:04:10
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"""Just very fustrating seeing you guys think you'll out spend man city because Rooney signed a contract"""
dear sir,
ngiak can understand why you are frustrated. as he too acknowledges that man united will not be able to spend that amount of money, not even a fifth f it, ngiak is afraid.
and ngiak can see many other reasons why you are frustrated. .
firstly man united fans or even the wildly hallucinating media have never mentioned outspending man city. its impossible. poor you, sir.
second, you must be frusrated rooney is still at man united. you must have been praying he left.
third, a large part of your frustration must come from that fact that maybe, just maybe you are a fan of a bottom 3 team?
ahhh, ngiak would really be frustrated if he were you. ou have his sympathies. .
gan
I really couldn't care less where Rooney went. He's well overrated. When he wanted to leave man u every man u fan called he a fat ginger chap. You lot were saying torres as a replacement. Scholes, vds, giggs, berbatov, ferdinand, hargreaves and owen. Then you got a lot of 29 year olds in your squad. If man u are going to challenge then they need a lot of investment. Cough up glazers? Man u 750 million in debt according to ed. Aren't the glazers in 1.1 billion in debt?
I think man u fans are the least realistic.
Least when Liverpool were falling down they knew that they would have to sell to buy. Lucky enough for them they kept gerrard and torres.
Oh and any who says renia to man u for 12 million please grow a brain lol.
Man u are in decline. FACT
29 Oct 2010 20:55:48
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Maybe we spent 24 mill on untested talent cos we are not flush at all, did you ever think of that . support the protests against the glaziers . dublin red . ps please sign your comments so we know whats what and whos who.
NOT REALLY FELLA, UNITED COULD HAVE BOUGHT HERNANDEZ FOR 6M AND THEN BLOW THE OTHER 18M ON A DECENT PLAYER.
BUT THEY OPTED FOR A WORLD CLASS MEXICAN KID, A FUTURE ENGLAND CENTRE BACK & A PLAYER WITH HUGE RAW TALENT.
TRUST IN FERGIE
29 Oct 2010 20:44:43
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To this poster:
Ok here are the facts about man u transfer targets
Torres to United in jan - 45m
Reina to United in summer - 22m
Also in summer
gourcuff - 30m
aguero - 35m
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So that's £132M in the next 12 months.
Bearing in mind you wouldn't sell Heinze to Liverpool (who was a decent player at best), and the endless number of clubs who would be interested should these players be sold, why the hell would they sell two of the best players in the world (in their respective positions) to you? I'm assuming this is a joke and that your not really that arrogant to think this could ever happen.
Maybe Gourcuff could happen and is a good player, but for me Aguero is too similar a player to Hernandez. But why settle for Gourcuff and Aguero when you could sign Messi and Xavi for £150M.
29 Oct 2010 20:44:19
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And do you see a 33 year old Gerrard & a 29 year old Torres still playing for you then? They are big players to replace. The only way i see Liverpool having a chance to get in the top four is if two clubs from United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs collapse.
Do you see any of them collapsing Ed?
£750 million in debt? Theres only going to be one team in Manchester that will collapse, and it won't be us. LOL
ps How old is Giggs, Scholes? Neville Ferdinand, Hargrieves, Owen are all he*ked, and your best player wants out, Liverpools future is a lot healthier than yours.
HA HA YOU HAVE GOT TO LAUGH AT THIS PLUM, DOES HE KNOW THAT TEVEZ, ADEBAYOR & SANTA CRUZ ALL WANT OUT?
MUG!
29 Oct 2010 20:32:17
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And do you see a 33 year old Gerrard & a 29 year old Torres still playing for you then? They are big players to replace. The only way i see Liverpool having a chance to get in the top four is if two clubs from United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs collapse.
Do you see any of them collapsing Ed?
£750 million in debt? Theres only going to be one team in Manchester that will collapse, and it won't be us. LOL
ps How old is Giggs, Scholes? Neville Ferdinand, Hargrieves, Owen are all he*ked, and your best player wants out, Liverpools future is a lot healthier than yours
LONG LIVE THE GLAZERS
29 Oct 2010 20:28:41
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Maybe we spent 24 mill on untested talent cos we are not flush at all, did you ever think of that . support the protests against the glaziers . dublin red . ps please sign your comments so we know whats what and whos who.
29 Oct 2010 20:19:20
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I don't get you man u fans. You all think your better and a better person because you support man u. Most of the united fans are glory seekers. I don't get why you lot think your about to spend 100 million? The reason why Rooney didn't sign the contract was because he wanted more money. That sums up Rooney in 1 word- money. He's lost a little of his pace and is no longer a force. When was last time he even played well? None of the big clubs wanted him. You'll going to slowly fall down the table. When you get out of the top 4 then we'll see who are true man u fans.
Just very fustrating seeing you guys think you'll out spend man city because Rooney signed a contract.
@Only the clueless on this site think United have 100m to spend, 50m is highly unlikely too, personally i believe United will have 30m plus sales.
Do you think that is unbelievable?
29 Oct 2010 20:04:10
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"""Just very fustrating seeing you guys think you'll out spend man city because Rooney signed a contract"""
dear sir,
ngiak can understand why you are frustrated. as he too acknowledges that man united will not be able to spend that amount of money, not even a fifth f it, ngiak is afraid.
and ngiak can see many other reasons why you are frustrated. .
firstly man united fans or even the wildly hallucinating media have never mentioned outspending man city. its impossible. poor you, sir.
second, you must be frusrated rooney is still at man united. you must have been praying he left.
third, a large part of your frustration must come from that fact that maybe, just maybe you are a fan of a bottom 3 team?
ahhh, ngiak would really be frustrated if he were you. ou have his sympathies. .
gan
29 Oct 2010 19:35:35
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Ed i like Anderson but i would not rule out a swap involving him and Ganso. What do you think Ed? He did go back to Brazil looking for a team when he fell out with Fergie didn't he? What do you think?
{Editor's note - No, I am nearly positive that Fergie is giving him a new contract soon, after O'Shea if I am correct. Anderson could be a wonderful player, he has the ability. I know that Man Utd have had their scouts at several of Sanchez's games. Also I reckon Ganso could be as good if not better than Kaka.}
Ed i won't pretend i am not happy about Anderson getting a new contract, i think Anderson is a great player but has the potential to be world class, i will be glad to tie him down.
Sanchez is a very good right winger and offers something different than Valencia! Nani, Sanchez & an on form Rooney would terrorize any defense. Ganso could be in the pipeline, we practically gave Possebon to them, if that's not to sweeten the deal then i do not know what is?
29 Oct 2010 18:27:46
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United Editor - Who do you want United to bring in this January & Summer?
I would love Neuer, Defour & Sanchez, personally i would want Bale but i think he is priced out of our price range.
Who would you buy United Ed?
{Editor's note - Ganso and Sanchez. Dream buys for this window coming up lol.}
Ganso is not completely out of the question and Sanchez is quite probable, one thing i can guarantee is that Fergie has and is still looking at both of them. They would make United a very very powerful attacking force.
Ed i like Anderson but i would not rule out a swap involving him and Ganso. What do you think Ed? He did go back to Brazil looking for a team when he fell out with Fergie didn't he? What do you think?
{Editor's note - No, I am nearly positive that Fergie is giving him a new contract soon, after O'Shea if I am correct. Anderson could be a wonderful player, he has the ability. I know that Man Utd have had their scouts at several of Sanchez's games. Also I reckon Ganso could be as good if not better than Kaka.}
29 Oct 2010 17:48:08
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United Editor - Who do you want United to bring in this January & Summer?
I would love Neuer, Defour & Sanchez, personally i would want Bale but i think he is priced out of our price range.
Who would you buy United Ed?
{Editor's note - Ganso and Sanchez. Dream buys for this window coming up lol.}
29 Oct 2010 17:15:53
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Players coming and going
sanchez 19 million
afelly 7 million
alves 20 million
horau 9 million
adler 12 million
neville retire
scholes retire
giggs retire
van der sar retire
carrick 12 million spurs
hargreves 7 million sunderland
anderson 18 million wolfsburg
29 Oct 2010 16:47:55
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{Editor's note - Did not mean by the club meant to say the banks. Though if the 2018 bid is successful it will play a massive part in the development f the stadium fo both Liverpool and Man Utd (96,000 seater). I to can see Torres leaving Liverpool. Not sure were he will go. maybe Inter, no sure}
Ed would it be fair to build a stadium for Liverpool but not Everton or Spurs? I am also sure Everton would have something to say if Liverpool had a new stadium built but not Everton. What do you think Ed?
{Editor's Note: I honestly don't know how it would work. I guess only a contribution could be made rather than paying the full amount. You are right that it is potentially unfair.}
29 Oct 2010 16:47:02
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Not the op. Just tell me one thing rainfish. What should david gill do in your opinion? Join the bandwagon of protests which are meaninglessly going to do nothing but make the situation worse and desert the club? Or stay at the club and look to it that the club is managed well and revenue is brought in? What plan do any of you protestors have for the club after you damage it by giving away tickets, merchandize etc.? Do you have 1.5bn pounds? I believe not. And until you have that (which is the market value of the club) no matter how much you protest you will be damaging this club, its revenues and chances of success rather than damaging the glazers. At least gill has stayed there to manage the club.
RAINFISH
I have to admit i agree with Rudderpost. Its obvious the protests are going to fall on deaf ears. The Glazers won't sell. End of. If you start to boycott the club we will only end up in even more financial debt than we are now. Support your club and trust the people in the right places will do the right thing. In fact it is you who are being naive to think your protests will help.
STUEY
29 Oct 2010 16:40:26
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Sydney, you just don't get it do you. How is my comment about Rooney leaving in January any more moronic than yours about Torres leaving. Never has Torres come out and said he wants to leave, ever! On the otherhand, Rooney has. Yes, he has changed his story since. Maybe it was to do with a bigger wage, maybe it was the baying mob outside his house or maybe even Coleen had something to do with it, truth is we'll only ever know what they want us to know.
Most probably WR will stay past January, I was just making the point that because some Journalist decides that Torres wants out you all believe it, and that the same can be said about Rooney with alot more evidence to back it up.
And on the Gerrard being past it. No chance! Again, by that rational Rooney is past it as he has not been the player he was last season. Gerrard is playing in a much weakened side from two seasons ago, and as much as he has done for so long, no one man can carry an entire team without some dip in form. He is, and has been for the best part of a decade Englands best midfielder.
Tommy Walsh
@I see your point but your first post was a sly dig at United fans telling us we are stupid if we think WR will stay with us past January.
That is why i retaliated with the Torres jibe, although you would be a fool to think Torres will sign a new contract, he is a loyal lad and i admire him for that but only a moron would sign a new contract at Liverpool as he would be trapped at the club. He will see out his contract and leave for free, or he will be sold in the summer at a very low price so Liverpool get something for him.
What ever way, he will never sign a new deal and if you think with your head and not your heart Tom you will realise that.
Sydney!
29 Oct 2010 16:35:51
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""". .DarkLard08
DARKS YOU ARE WAY OFF SAYING WE WILL LOSE 80M, WE WILL LOSE 40.2M FOR THE BOND INTEREST AND BETWEEN 6-9M IN MANAGEMENT/ADMIN FEES. THE GLAZERS HAVE NOT TAKEN OUT ANY DIVIDENDS AS YET AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT, SO UNTIL THEY DO LETS NOT THINK ITS A FORGONE CONCLUSION THAT IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET MY FRIEND. . "
dear unnamed sir,
ngiak is rather surprised and quite shocked actually when he sees fellow supporters say that we are bleeding 40 plus million A YEAR just on interest payments alone! INTEREST ALONE dear friend. and please remind us all what the loan amount is? and how are we going to pay it all in 5 years' time?
and once, if ever, after all hat wheeling and dealing, the start taking out dividends for their own businesses' they are bleeding after all, and this is their "property" legally,
that would mean that by the time we break even, and after the euro regulations, it will be close to 10 or 15 years before we see some light. . is no big buys, no improvement in infrastructure etc.
at this rate of deterioration of the playing staff and infrastructure, ngiak shudders to see what the club will be like in 10 years under the same owners!
100 million war chest? ngiak can't even start to dream this, dear sir!
gan
29 Oct 2010 16:34:46
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Look at it this way - if you owned (let's say) Green Bay Packers, and you could earn yourself £35m per year and a lump sum of £1bn at the end of a 10 year period on an investment of absolutely nothing whatsoever, what would you do - considering you've got no emotional attachment to the team yourself?
DarkLard08
DARKS - BETWEEN 2011/12 AND 2013/14 MANCHESTER UNITED CAN ONLY MAKE LOSSES OF UP TO £38M, THAT'S JUST OVER £12M A YEAR, AFTER THAT THEY HAVE TO BREAK EVEN OR THE CLUB WILL BE BARRED FROM EUROPEAN COMPETITIONS.
THAT IS WHY THEY WILL NOT TAKE OUT DIVIDENDS FROM THE CLUB, SIMPLY BECAUSE IF THEY DO WE WILL NOT MEET THE FINANCIAL REGS AND THAT MY FRIEND WILL LEAD TO THE CLUB BEING DAMAGED.
29 Oct 2010 16:03:02
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To Sydney
@Not at all, i just disagreed with your comment about Rooney not being at United past January, i think it was a moronic comment. Rooney did tell us he wanted to leave, but how else was he going to get a huge deal at United, he has also said since that he never had no intention of leaving. Answer me this, HOW ELSE WOULD ROONEY HAVE GOT HIS HUGE CONTRACT WITHOUT SAYING HE WANTED TO LEAVE?
It was a stunt by his agent at getting him the best deal possible, anyone with a brain would know that. My comments regarding Gerrard was based on the fact that he has not been the player he was two seasons ago, even the Ed will agree with that.
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Sydney, you just don't get it do you. How is my comment about Rooney leaving in January any more moronic than yours about Torres leaving. Never has Torres come out and said he wants to leave, ever! On the otherhand, Rooney has. Yes, he has changed his story since. Maybe it was to do with a bigger wage, maybe it was the baying mob outside his house or maybe even Coleen had something to do with it, truth is we'll only ever know what they want us to know.
Most probably WR will stay past January, I was just making the point that because some Journalist decides that Torres wants out you all believe it, and that the same can be said about Rooney with alot more evidence to back it up.
And on the Gerrard being past it. No chance! Again, by that rational Rooney is past it as he has not been the player he was last season. Gerrard is playing in a much weakened side from two seasons ago, and as much as he has done for so long, no one man can carry an entire team without some dip in form. He is, and has been for the best part of a decade Englands best midfielder.
Tommy Walsh
29 Oct 2010 15:45:23
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"Rudderpost. . . . . . . . . . . Mr Rudderpost, are you really that naive that you believe what David Gill is telling you. He is the highly paid mouth piece for the Glazers. Remember the one who said Debt was a bad thing and football clubs shouldn't be run on it. Then he saw the wage he was offered and completely changed his tune now he tells us debt is good. As for the Bebe deal this was done through the same agent who did the Ronaldo deal when he was for sale for £6 million and we paid £12 million do I have to spell it out for you. The club will have received around 2 or 3 million the rest will have ended up in certain peoples off shore bank account via friends who are agents. Open your eyes we are protesting for a reason. Just because Gill tells you there is no problem and that there is a massive war chest doesn't make it so. RAINFISHTROMBONE"
Not the op. Just tell me one thing rainfish. What should david gill do in your opinion? Join the bandwagon of protests which are meaninglessly going to do nothing but make the situation worse and desert the club? Or stay at the club and look to it that the club is managed well and revenue is brought in? What plan do any of you protestors have for the club after you damage it by giving away tickets, merchandize etc.? Do you have 1.5bn pounds? I believe not. And until you have that (which is the market value of the club) no matter how much you protest you will be damaging this club, its revenues and chances of success rather than damaging the glazers. At least gill has stayed there to manage the club.
29 Oct 2010 15:45:22
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"DARKS YOU ARE WAY OFF SAYING WE WILL LOSE 80M, WE WILL LOSE 40.2M FOR THE BOND INTEREST AND BETWEEN 6-9M IN MANAGEMENT/ADMIN FEES. THE GLAZERS HAVE NOT TAKEN OUT ANY DIVIDENDS AS YET AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT, SO UNTIL THEY DO LETS NOT THINK ITS A FORGONE CONCLUSION THAT IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET MY FRIEND.
WHEN UNITED RELEASED THEIR SALARY BILL OF 131M, THIS INCLUDED ALL OF THE CLUBS EMPLOYEES NOT JUST THE PLAYERS.
ALSO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE GLAZERS CAN ONLY TAKE OUT DIVIDENDS WHEN THE CLUB MAKES PROFITS? IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT NOTICED WE NEVER MADE A PROFIT."
Interest will run at a touch over £45m between now and 2017 (fixed against the Bonds). Management fees total around £10m to the Glazers (although, in all honesty, we shouldn't get too upset about those - any owners would be drawing significant salaries like that). They can take a dividend each season (c. £20m to £25m) which can only be drawn if the club is generating a profit twice the size of the interest payments - but this is calculated before things like the interest payments, dividends and so on are paid up - i.e. this year it would have been on the £101m profit pre-adjustments, not the £83m loss post adjustments, which would have been twice the £40m interest payment, so the dividend would be payable (and you'd assume would be most seasons). That's £75m to £80m a year.
One of the reasons the Glazers hadn't taken the other £70m and £25m dividends they are entitled to according to the bond issue was that the bond issue only became active in June this year, i.e. even if they had taken it you wouldn't have seen it in the most recent figures as they were compiled before the bond issue became active.
We'll see where we are by June next year. I now expect the following:
1. The £70m won't be taken until the next financial year (so after June 2011)
2. The £25m dividend will be taken close to June 2011 but will show on the next set of figures
3. The £20m - £25m dividend calculated against results will be taken and will show on the next set of figrues
i.e. we'll show £90m in interest and dividends at the end of this financial year, and £135m at the end of the next financial year (June 2012).
I expect the Cliff and Carrington to be transferred to the JV company some time between January and March next year (i.e. given away free of charge to the Glazers) and United to be charged £2.5m (or thereabouts) per year to use them thereafter.
I might be wrong about all of this. More likely, I might be wrong about exact timings. However, the only time I've ever seen directors / owners not take their allocated dividends out of a business was when they owned the asset and taking the dividend out would have caused the business to fail. United is generating enough cash to support the Glazers taking these dividends out (i.e. it won't close the club if they do it) so why shouldn't they take them? They are businessmen (although not particularly capable ones) and they are in it for the money.
Look at it this way - if you owned (let's say) Green Bay Packers, and you could earn yourself £35m per year and a lump sum of £1bn at the end of a 10 year period on an investment of absolutely nothing whatsoever, what would you do - considering you've got no emotional attachment to the team yourself?
DarkLard08
29 Oct 2010 15:23:54
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Snejder just signed a new deal at inter. Sanchez looked good at the world cup for Chile this summer and Udinese arent doing well. Modric doesn't look happy at tottenham so there could be a swap deal involving michael carrick. Torres is a possibility. Goalkeeper wise we could either get de gea for 11m or neur for 9m. I just hope we will spend a bit of money in January.
29 Oct 2010 15:13:06
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I think the fact that we reportedly paid £7.4m for Bebe underlines that we have the money to spend. Tell me now, why would we spend that amount of money (that lets be honest could have bought us Van de Vaart and possible even Defour) on a player that Fergie himself admitted that he had never seen play before.
Don't get me wrong, I want the Glazers out, but I do believe we have the funds.
Rudderpost. . . . . . . . . . . Mr Rudderpost, are you really that naive that you believe what David Gill is telling you. He is the highly paid mouth piece for the Glazers. Remember the one who said Debt was a bad thing and football clubs shouldn't be run on it. Then he saw the wage he was offered and completely changed his tune now he tells us debt is good. As for the Bebe deal this was done through the same agent who did the Ronaldo deal when he was for sale for £6 million and we paid £12 million do I have to spell it out for you. The club will have received around 2 or 3 million the rest will have ended up in certain peoples off shore bank account via friends who are agents. Open your eyes we are protesting for a reason. Just because Gill tells you there is no problem and that there is a massive war chest doesn't make it so. RAINFISHTROMBONE
29 Oct 2010 15:12:42
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Well said. It's important United fans don't lose sight of the long-term damage that could be done to the club by the current regime. £470 million has already been paid out by the club in interest, refinancing and dividends since the Glazers took over. United will pay a minimum of £80 million a year up to and including 2017 in interest, salaries and dividends (another £560 million) so - at the very least - they will have cost the club £1 billion - or at least half of the turnover since they took over. Imagine how much lower ticket prices would be without them, and how much more investment there would be in the team.
DarkLard08
DARKS YOU ARE WAY OFF SAYING WE WILL LOSE 80M, WE WILL LOSE 40.2M FOR THE BOND INTEREST AND BETWEEN 6-9M IN MANAGEMENT/ADMIN FEES. THE GLAZERS HAVE NOT TAKEN OUT ANY DIVIDENDS AS YET AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT, SO UNTIL THEY DO LETS NOT THINK ITS A FORGONE CONCLUSION THAT IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET MY FRIEND.
WHEN UNITED RELEASED THEIR SALARY BILL OF 131M, THIS INCLUDED ALL OF THE CLUBS EMPLOYEES NOT JUST THE PLAYERS.
ALSO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE GLAZERS CAN ONLY TAKE OUT DIVIDENDS WHEN THE CLUB MAKES PROFITS? IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT NOTICED WE NEVER MADE A PROFIT.
29 Oct 2010 14:49:53
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United are currently scouting young Belgian Jelle Vossen.
-NPrak
29 Oct 2010 13:06:42
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@ RAINFISHTROMBONE
I'm afraid I just don't agree with you. Call me optimistic or a wishful thinker, but I believe that what Gill has said is true. I also think the fact that Rooney has stayed is partly down to increased funds which several respectable journalists have reported (including one who said that Rooney was going to stay the night before it happened). Furthermore, I think the fact that we reportedly paid £7.4m for Bebe underlines that we have the money to spend. Tell me now, why would we spend that amount of money (that lets be honest could have bought us Van de Vaart and possible even Defour) on a player that Fergie himself admitted that he had never seen play before.
Don't get me wrong, I want the Glazers out, but I do believe we have the funds.
Rudderpost
29 Oct 2010 12:55:27
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Question for rainfish. What can those of us who cannot make the march do? Or when is the next one? Robert the red
29 Oct 2010 12:54:01
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"I want to report this ed. How can you allow an MUST advertise on here in a post? As for rainfish, no matter how much we show them we want them out they will only go out if they are shown the cash by a buyer. Any stupid protesting will only hamper the club and not the glazers. {ed's note - why are you against MUST?}"
I am not "against" MUST. But i think that this is a rumour and discussion site and not one for advertising for MUST marches. I don't believe fans can get rid of the glazers, we just don't have the money. Protests must only be done if we know we can get the glazers out an i don't believe we can unless we show them the money. Doesn't matter what you believe but that is the truth. Also the MUST endorsed the red knights who "clearly" stated that they wished to keep the bond. What betterment would the club would have achieved from that? I don't think any. It would have been worse as centralized control would have been swapped for 50 people in the boardroom. The MUST must realize that protests should be done in a way which do not harm the club. What are our priorities? Do we hate the glazers more than we love united? I don't think so! As i see it the MUST asks fans to not go to OT. What will it result in? We will be ever more vulnerable to UEFA's financial fairplay regulations and get disqualified. They say we will prefer to go back a few years if it means getting rid of the glazers, i don't see it that way. We have seen how LFC have gone into relegation zone citing the same agenda and i don't see any way back into the top 4 any soon for them. The mentality of blaming the owner and manager for bad performances on the pitch have set in at that club and i don't want that to happen with united but that is exactly what the MUST are trying to do. A few defensive errors, we drop a few points and instead of looking at it as the fact that we had a dip in form and lapse in concentration here comes rainfish using the teams' bad results and linking them to the owners. {ed's note - actually I think dropping into the relegation zone has done Liverpool the world of good, it has meant things are having to be changed rather than just sitting and waiting and making do. Sometimes you have to hit the bottom to move up mate.}
29 Oct 2010 12:53:19
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Question for the editor who do you think is the best striker at united then? Robert the red {ed's note - Hernandez, that lad is going to be one of the best strikers in the world, he is absolutely top class. I was so glad when I heard he was joining you because I would get the chance to see more of him, as well as gutted he was joining you because he is such a good player.}
29 Oct 2010 12:45:39
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I want to report this ed. How can you allow an MUST advertise on here in a post? As for rainfish, no matter how much we show them we want them out they will only go out if they are shown the cash by a buyer. Any stupid protesting will only hamper the club and not the glazers. {ed's note - why are you against MUST?}. . . . . . . . . . . David Gill is this you again coming on here attacking anybody who is against the Glazers. They burnden the club with a £700 million debt and you accuse me and my stupid protesting as hampering the club. We have already got them on the run regarding ticket prices and taking money for bonuses lets keep pushing them. And if Gill comes on here again and attacks me or the ed for putting these posts on here, see him for what he is and notice that he doesn't identify himself. Ask yourself this question "who's side is he on?" See you all at the march tomorrow even if you haven't got a ticket for the game come along make your voices heard. RAINFISHTOMBONE
29 Oct 2010 12:32:55
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To rainfishtrombone, read your piece, agree one hundred per cent, well said . dublin red .ed hes very close to the truth i would say , what you think {ed's note - I think he is certainly a lot closer than those who think the club is going to spend huge amounts in January and the summer.}
29 Oct 2010 12:28:42
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Man utd keeper targets
David De Gea (Atl?©tico Madrid) Spain's Under-21 keeper is 20 next month. Sir Alex Ferguson watched him against Valencia recently. Anders Lindegaard (Aalesunds FK) Capped twice by Denmark, is 26 and billed as the new Peter Schmeichel. Manuel Neuer (Schalke 04) Having excelled for Germany at the World Cup, the 24 year-old is interested in a move to Old Trafford. Hugo Lloris (Lyon) The 23 year-old is first choice for France. Lyon's £25 million valuation could scare United. Igor Akinfeev (CSKA Moscow) Russia's No1 starred against United in the Champions League group stage last season. Out of contract in Dec 2011. Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax) At 28, is well-established and the Holland No 1 is out of contract in Jun 2012, so could be signed relatively cheaply.
29 Oct 2010 12:17:01
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Sydney! {ed's note - I am not talking about present form at all, I am just not a big fan of Rooney, I think his game has been stifled since joining United. He used to be a threat from the edge of the box, but I can't remember the last time he scored from there. Stretford was the one doing the chasing round looking for offers, you obviously don't know the man if you think he wouldn't have been getting in touch with anyone and everyone who could possibly afford him.}
@Three weeks before it was made public about Rooney wanting to leave Stretford would have contacted City, Barcelona, Real Madrid & Chelsea and told them Rooney wants to leave and what would you offer for his services. In that time Rooney would have been told of all the offers that was made available to him, Chelsea are no longer a force in the market so they would have been ruled out almost immediately. Real would have made an offer, Barca i have heard was not interested and City 1000% would have made him an offer through his agent.
Why else would United offer him 200k a week if Rooney had nowhere to go? United must have been aware of City's offer to make them up his wages from 90k to 200k+ a week. It was City who probably tapped him up in the first place just like they did with Tevez. I guarantee you Ed that on Lian Gallagher napkin it had the name Wayne Rooney on it.
As for you not being a big fan of Rooney, hardly surprising seems you are a Liverpool fan. But answer this Ed, how many shots does Torres score from outside the box year in year out?
Sydney! {ed's note - I know all about the napkin, but the Sheikh is backing Mancini, who doesn't want Rooney. Real didn't want Rooney, Mourinho prefers Higuian, for good reason. That leaves Barca, who have no money. As for Torres scoring goals outside the box, I fail to see the relevance, that has never been a major part of Torres' game, unlike Rooney who burst onto the scene by scoring from the edge of the box. Rooney has had his development stifled by Ronaldo, understandably because Ronaldo is the better player and you needed to get the most from him to win things.}
29 Oct 2010 11:58:24
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@Ed it was in all of the papers and City have never denied it. {ed's note - oh well if it was in the papers it must be true, especially as it was 'insiders and sources' that said it. What that means is 'we made it up'.}
Ed i would rather believe the papers sources than "A member of Wayne's family" so where did you hear this rumour Ed? {ed's note - I think I pretty much told you where I heard it didn't I? You carry on believing the paper's lies, even though they have been proven to be lies day after day, after all they wouldn't sell so many if people weren't so gullible. But think of it this way, if City had really offered a contract, why aren't United pursuing a case against them for tapping up? So stop dreaming about how loyal he is, because he stayed for one reason and one reason only - you were the only people willing to pay through the nose to get his signature. He is worth far more to you than he is to anyone else, he is your only star nowadays and the club can't afford to lose him.}
@I never said Rooney was loyal, nor do i believe he wouldn't have looked at all of his possibilities before signing for United but you must be a right Plonker to think that City's representatives never contacted Stretford with an offer.
As for Rooney not being our best striker, don't be silly he is one of the best strikers in the world, you are judging him on his recent bad form, due to injuries & personal problems. By your reckoning Torres is not Liverpool's best striker?
Tell me Ed, is Ngog better than Torres because Torres has been going through a bad patch? Torres has been worse than Rooney all season, Rooney has not been scoring but at least Rooney has assisted goals.
Sydney! {ed's note - I am not talking about present form at all, I am just not a big fan of Rooney, I think his game has been stifled since joining United. He used to be a threat from the edge of the box, but I can't remember the last time he scored from there. Stretford was the one doing the chasing round looking for offers, you obviously don't know the man if you think he wouldn't have been getting in touch with anyone and everyone who could possibly afford him.}
29 Oct 2010 11:45:46
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Ed i have typed in the following:
"No City offer for Rooney"
"City snub Rooney"
"Rooney still waiting for City offer"
"City deny making offer for Rooney"
And guess what? Not one story on the whole of the internet, although there are hundreds of stories on City's offer, i know most will be from the same source but there is still many stories. Do you really think City would not be interested? Did this family member tell you personally?
Sydney {ed's note - there were hundreds of stories about Torres and Gerrard leaving in the summer. What you have to look at is where the stories come from, that is the best way to find out. If they say 'sources' or 'an insider', that means they made it up, and usually one made up story will be repeated everywhere. It is just like those statuses on FB, one person posts up something and everyone else repeats it, even if it is not true. Chinese whispers on a massive scale. I wasn't told it direct, but it came from a mutual friend, I believe her purely because if there had been an offer it would have been tapping up and United would have jumped on a chance to pursue a tapping up case against City.}
29 Oct 2010 11:34:51
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@Ed it was in all of the papers and City have never denied it. {ed's note - oh well if it was in the papers it must be true, especially as it was 'insiders and sources' that said it. What that means is 'we made it up'.}
Ed i would rather believe the papers sources than "A member of Wayne's family" so where did you hear this rumour Ed? {ed's note - I think I pretty much told you where I heard it didn't I? You carry on believing the paper's lies, even though they have been proven to be lies day after day, after all they wouldn't sell so many if people weren't so gullible. But think of it this way, if City had really offered a contract, why aren't United pursuing a case against them for tapping up? So stop dreaming about how loyal he is, because he stayed for one reason and one reason only - you were the only people willing to pay through the nose to get his signature. He is worth far more to you than he is to anyone else, he is your only star nowadays and the club can't afford to lose him.}
29 Oct 2010 11:32:31
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{ed's note - what offer from City? Where did you get it from that there was an offer from City? As I hear it they made it plain that they would not make a move for him, and that was coming from a member of the Rooney family.}
Editor - The chances of City not offering Wayne a contract would have been slim to none, they are after a new striker and taking Rooney from United would have been the coup of the century, it would have made a massive statement to the world. You would be a fool to think City never offered Rooney a huge contract. {ed's note - so you believe they would want him purely to get one over you? Do you really think they need to do that anymore? They did it with Tevez, now they want the best players in the world so that they can win things. Rooney is not even the best striker at United.}
29 Oct 2010 11:29:29
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Now is the time for all of you to take off those Blinkers and realise everything isn't going to be allright unless we take action and do something about it. Of course they will keep telling us that there is money to spend if it is needed. Who can honestly look at our ageing mediocre leaderless team and say we don't need to bring in some world class talent. Gill will just lie to you, he gets paid millions to do so. Fergie won't tell the truth because if he says it then there will be anarchy and his club would crumble around his feet. What about us the supporters what can we do. Well to start with come on the March on Saturday before the Spurs game. It starts at 3.30 at the Toll gate pub and makes its way to Old Trafford. The Glazers are running scared at the moment. They froze the prices of tickets and havent taken out their bonus yet for they fear a massive backlash. Lets really show them that we want them out. RAINFISHTROMBONE {ed's note - I will put this on both pages for maximum exposure for you.}
29 Oct 2010 11:22:10
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Sydney! {ed's note - what offer from City? Where did you get it from that there was an offer from City? As I hear it they made it plain that they would not make a move for him, and that was coming from a member of the Rooney family.}
Wayne Rooney rejected a staggering five-year deal worth £85million from Manchester City to stay with Manchester United.
City insiders believed their mega-deal would clinch a £60m transfer. Their personal terms for Rooney, who is 25 today, included wages of £15m a-year plus a £10m signing-on fee.
But Rooney turned down the chance to earn £288,000 a-week wages with City. He is now United's highest paid player on £250,000 a-week.
City's commitment to ¬?recruiting the best players in the world and paying them whatever it takes will send more shockwaves through the game.
Rooney and his advisers were aware of City's potential to challenge the Premier League's big four.
United persuaded Rooney to stay, but there is no doubt City will be back for more superstars.
@Ed it was in all of the papers and City have never denied it. {ed's note - oh well if it was in the papers it must be true, especially as it was 'insiders and sources' that said it. What that means is 'we made it up'.}
29 Oct 2010 11:09:04
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To add onto my earlier post, even Jovetic has been scouted extensively (like Defour and Sanchez). Infact we were on the verge of having an official word but his injury ruined everything. Rest assured, SAF won't buy an injured or even a partially fit player. As far as players like Rodwell and Bale are concerned, no matter how hard we try it'll be extremely difficult to make their clubs sell such exceptional young talent, especially since there is no pressure to sell.
~oNe uNited~
29 Oct 2010 11:04:53
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Why are you worrying about whether Torres stays with Liverpool or not? Lets be serious, you have got absolutely no chance of signing him. If its unsettled players you would like to discuss why not discuss Mr Rooney. I can't see him staying past January, where his large transfer fee will join CR's transfer fee in the Glazers bank. You can't attract top players anymore, even to keep your own mediocre squad players you have to offer them ridiculous contracts (O'shea).
Your days of being able to swan around the premier League and bully teams into selling you their best players are over. Other teams are catching/over taking you (Arsenal, Man city, Spurs).
The wishlists being posted are crazy. Where is this money coming from. Weren't you also given the story of a large transfer kitty last season? Unfortunately for you, you have leeching owners bleeding you dry. Liverpool have evicted theirs and once they get their shop in order, it won't be long before they are back contending the title.
For the foreseeable future, I think your gonna have to make do with all these super talented youngsters you have in your ranks, that we all keep hearing about.
The amount of debt hanging over your heads is crippling you, so deal with it!
@Of course i do not expect to sign Torres, i would not want to either, he would spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch, just like he does at Liverpool. Remember Liverpool? They used to be a decent team around 25 years ago, now they are mid-table at best. With or without Torres.
If we are talking about debt then do you know you still have a debt of 300m although you pay minimal interest on it, that's right you owe your owners (NESV) 300m, you have Gerrard & Carragher on their last legs, you have Torres, Reina & Johnson who are currently learning to swim ready for when the ship goes right under.
As for United spending, we only need VDS & Scholes replaced, are you telling me United will not spend in January or the summer? I guarantee you United will sign a minimum of four new players in the next two windows, one of them will be Defour (Woy's target). We may not have 100m to spend, perhaps not 40m but we will have more funds made available than Liverpool will have, that is for sure.
As for Rooney leaving in January, don't be a clown, who could afford 60m in January? Not Real, not Barca, just City and if Rooney was ever interested in joining City he would have accepted their offer of a 10m signing on fee and 288k a week plus bonuses,
But he turned them down! We may not have the best squad in the League but its twice as good as Liverpool's and we are far closer to number 19 than you will ever be.
Sydney! {ed's note - what offer from City? Where did you get it from that there was an offer from City? As I hear it they made it plain that they would not make a move for him, and that was coming from a member of the Rooney family.}
29 Oct 2010 10:59:21
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Why are you worrying about whether Torres stays with Liverpool or not? Lets be serious, you have got absolutely no chance of signing him. If its unsettled players you would like to discuss why not discuss Mr Rooney. I can't see him staying past January, where his large transfer fee will join CR's transfer fee in the Glazers bank. You can't attract top players anymore, even to keep your own mediocre squad players you have to offer them ridiculous contracts (O'shea).
Your days of being able to swan around the premier League and bully teams into selling you their best players are over. Other teams are catching/over taking you (Arsenal, Man city, Spurs).
The wishlists being posted are crazy. Where is this money coming from. Weren't you also given the story of a large transfer kitty last season? Unfortunately for you, you have leeching owners bleeding you dry. Liverpool have evicted theirs and once they get their shop in order, it won't be long before they are back contending the title.
For the foreseeable future, I think your gonna have to make do with all these super talented youngsters you have in your ranks, that we all keep hearing about.
The amount of debt hanging over your heads is crippling you, so deal with it!
*How have we been overtaken exactly?
Aren't we above Man City and Spurs this season, and haven't we finished above them for god knows how many years?
I don't think you are above in ANYWAY!
We are even above you in the debt department! ; )
Grow up and go back to Liverpool
29 Oct 2010 10:57:11
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True, as I said earlier, even I don't think we'll be buying any strikers for the next 1-2 years unless one or two of ours are sold. The only exception to this could be a situation where one of the 4 strikers (Hulk, Suarez, Llorente or Benzema) is made available for a stupendously low price by their respective clubs, which is extremely unlikely, and even then we'll have to sell one of ours to make room.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that we need atleast 2 good midfielders and 1 top class keeper. These are the 3 that must be bought and I believe even SAF knows this well. Defour and Sanchez have been scouted extensively so they are the 2 most likely to join. Ganso's current contract situation (combined with his obvious talent) and the apparent need for a central midfielder who manufactures/dictates every move on the field just like Martinez, make these two the next ones on the pecking order IMO. But that's just my opinion. Afellay would be a good and cheaper option.
~oNe uNited~
29 Oct 2010 10:24:37
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To this Poster:
He is arguably the best striker in the world (when on form) so can you see him wasting his best years playing in the Europa league? Can you seriously see him signing a new deal Ed? With these new financial regs coming in he would be trapped at Liverpool for good wouldn't he?
{Editor's note - This is a different Ed but I can not see Torres staying unless Liverpool start improving and bringing in some quality players.}
Why are you worrying about whether Torres stays with Liverpool or not? Lets be serious, you have got absolutely no chance of signing him. If its unsettled players you would like to discuss why not discuss Mr Rooney. I can't see him staying past January, where his large transfer fee will join CR's transfer fee in the Glazers bank. You can't attract top players anymore, even to keep your own mediocre squad players you have to offer them ridiculous contracts (O'shea).
Your days of being able to swan around the premier League and bully teams into selling you their best players are over. Other teams are catching/over taking you (Arsenal, Man city, Spurs).
The wishlists being posted are crazy. Where is this money coming from. Weren't you also given the story of a large transfer kitty last season? Unfortunately for you, you have leeching owners bleeding you dry. Liverpool have evicted theirs and once they get their shop in order, it won't be long before they are back contending the title.
For the foreseeable future, I think your gonna have to make do with all these super talented youngsters you have in your ranks, that we all keep hearing about.
The amount of debt hanging over your heads is crippling you, so deal with it!
29 Oct 2010 09:53:08
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@~oNe uNited~ I know you have acknowledged this, but I can't see us buying a striker at all, at least not until we buy 2 decent midfielders. On the wing front, we have Nani, Valencia will be back by early next year and Obertan for the future. I also can't see us buying a very good winger that will sit on the bench or make Valencia/Nani sit there. IMO we need a good AM, perhaps a DM and a solid LM like Bale that can run down the wing but isn't primarily just a wing player. Similarly, with two attacking wing backs (Rafael and Evra) the need for a further winger down those flanks isn't too great.
I don't know who we will buy, but I'd like to see Hamsik/Defour/Rodwell/Martinez/Henderson/Jovetic or Ganso when back from injuries. And of course a keeper, De Gea of which would be my personal choice.
What are your thoughts on which positions we will buy ED?
{Editor's note - I would love it if we seen Ganso and Sanchez in a Man Utd top soon.}
29 Oct 2010 09:41:02
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~oNe uNited~
Can you confirm please what positions we will buy in January. We all know about Defour, but are we going for Winger? Sanchez, Afellay? Thanks
29 Oct 2010 05:15:56
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"This is completely true, oNe uNited knows his stuff! In your opinion oNe uNited who do you think we'll sign striker wise, ive heard Benzema but only if we can get sell Owen?"
Your guess is as good as mine. For me any of the above 4 will do. Its true that SAF's admiration for Benzema is publicly known but the fact is that he has been scouting Hulk for quite some time too. With his physique and style of play I believe Hulk can be a force to reckon with in the premier league. He looks to physically dominate the opposition defenders and hence, is not similar to any striker who is at present a member of the united squad.
Suarez's style of play is very very similar to Rooney's (well. . similar to the way Rooney played in the 2009-10 season). So, unless Rooney leaves I can't see a bid being placed for Suarez.
As far as Benzema is concerned, my best memories of the striker are from the time before he joined Real Madrid. Seeing him play now gives you an impression that he is a shadow of what he used to be. At his prime, he would have been ideal for any team in the premiership. But with his current form, and an abundance of strikers at the club I can't see us making a move for him unless someone leaves. His strength used to be dominant play with good speed and a killer instinct to be at the right place to score goals. He has lost that touch. Also, with Hernandez at united in a similar mode it becomes even more unlikely.
Llorente is at the prime of his career. Who wouldn't like to have him in his team. But whether or not he will succeed in the premier league is an uncertainity. You must understand that the Spanish and the English league are worlds apart as far as style of play is concerned.
So considering all of the above the following strikers are unlikely to be bought:
Suarez- only if and when Rooney leaves (unless someone else snaps him up before that)
Benzema- if SAF's admiration for the player gets the better of his common sense (considering the slump in his form, it will be a gamble to buy him at present) and if a striker leaves, only then can he be a Red Devil. It will be a brave move but we all know SAF has made a lot of those throughout his career.
Llorente- interests from the Spanish giants is a major factor. His style of play is tried and tested in the La Liga so he would be an ideal buy for Real Madrid. His buy-out clause is close to 36mil, which is again a major problem.
So, for me, of the four, the most likely option is Hulk as he brings something new to the table. But what we tend to forget is that at present we have 7 strikers who can all play in the 1st team- Rooney, Berba, Hernandez, Owen, Macheda, Diouf, Welbeck. Also, there are a number of 17-20 year olds in the academy who are more than just pushing for a place in the team. So any new striker would only come in if we sell someone. And frankly, I don't see any of the above 7 (apart from Owen, maybe) leaving united in the near future (1-2 years).
So there you have it, the most likely of the four is unlikely too. But still, as I said earlier, he (HULK) is very different from any of the strikers that we have, although I'll take Benzema at his prime any day. Personally, I'd like to see a striker who has a good long range shot as all of our strikers like to shoot from a close range or just to tap it in. Maybe someone like Zarrate.
~oNe uNited~
28 Oct 2010 23:45:56
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As for Ronaldo, he had said on many many many occasions that he wanted to go to Real Madrid, Rooney has never once said he would like to play for any other club other than United. Anyone with a brain would know that Rooney had and has no intention of ever joining Real Madrid or Barcelona, his missus has even said that she would never leave the North west. Come on mate its time to wise up a bit.
*You say wise up but perhaps you should look at the facts. Rooney said he want to leave, then signed his contract and claimed he never wanted to leave. Your argument is that he was only saying he wanted to leave to be offered a bigger deal by united? Correct? So looking at it from a neutral point of view, whats to say he is now only saying he wants to stay so that the time he has left does not become unbearable. Im not saying that is 100% true. But it would be naive to believe that he has undying loyalty to the club. .as in my opinion, if he did have that loyalty he would never have attempted to hold the club to ransom in the first place.
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If Rooney really believed in undying loyalty he would still be playing for Everton. Ultimately he will do what he thinks is right for himself. Ryan.