Manchester United Rumours Archive February 02 2011

02 Feb 2011 22:43:55
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@Gary Neville retires from footy!

A true legend!

Sydney!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well done Red Nev that is called knowing when to go but I am sorry Sydney A true legend how do you make that out. He was a good right back who has done well at the club I think you are using the word legend very cheaply. Lets not forget how many times he has made us squirm with embarassment . And can anyone with that kind of facial hair really be called a legend. Lets just thank him for the job he did and hope he does well as the reserves coach which is the job I see him getting. RAINFISHTROMBONE


Gary Neville was a world class rb. It is the tight time for him to retire. Its a shame that there aren't more players with his attitude and loyalty. He didn't just play for the money. Hopefully Rafael will become a legend like Nev was hes certainly has the abilty to do so.

RAINFISHTROMBONE are you a Man Utd fan or a secret scouser becauce during his career there hasn't been anyone better in his position in UK and possibly the world, except maybe Cafu. Look at England RB situation G.Johnson is useless and we have been struggling to replace G. Neville.


Ed what do you think {ed's note - Rob Jones was a far better player, but for his injury problems Neville would have struggled to get a look in for England. Personally I thought his main strength was his partnership with Beckham, once Beckham was gone he looked a bit lost and half the player he was before then. He was a decent right back, but his importance to United was the force of his personality more than his play in my opinion. He was the squad's leader.}

02 Feb 2011 21:27:46
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Messi we didn't go after david luiz cos he was to expensive for our budget

02 Feb 2011 21:21:02
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The reason we didn't sign Ronaldinho, because at the last minute, his agent, Ronaldinho's brother, requested and additional £1 million.
TBIR

@I don't know why people care about missing out on Ronaldinho, if we had got him, we would have missed out on Ronaldo. He was bought instead of Ronaldinho.

Sydney!

02 Feb 2011 21:09:27
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Sydney!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well done Red Nev that is called knowing when to go but I am sorry Sydney A true legend how do you make that out. He was a good right back who has done well at the club I think you are using the word legend very cheaply. Lets not forget how many times he has made us squirm with embarassment . And can anyone with that kind of facial hair really be called a legend. Lets just thank him for the job he did and hope he does well as the reserves coach which is the job I see him getting. RAINFISHTROMBONE

@Anyone who gives us 20 years is a legend in my eyes. He wouldn't make my top ten best players, probably not even my top 50 but he is a legend nonetheless.

Sydney!

02 Feb 2011 21:05:35
Isn't every player who has helped us win 3 European Cups a legend?

SickBhoy

dont think gary was about in 1968

I meant every player who has won the European Cup, immaterial of what year.

SickBhoy

02 Feb 2011 20:32:27
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Ed- I never said that spurs or stoke weren't profitable but to compare them to us is how shall I put it stupid, stop being a bitter and get someone to edit this page that isn't so anti-red, nobody knows how much we have in the bank and how much we are able to spend of it, but don't try and use the likes of stoke and spurs to compare us with, that is just foolish.
Ste73 {ed's note - nothing bitter about it, you are being arrogant. I am anything but anti-red as you put it. The club's accounts are freely available on the net to read, so yes everyone does know how much you had in the bank. You aren't clever enough to cast doubt on someone else's intelligence I am afraid. You don't even understand that both Stoke and Spurs are amongst the most profitable clubs in England, not richest, but most profitable. You don't even understand the distinction and that is why it is such a difficult discussion to have with you.}

02 Feb 2011 20:20:26
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*Is this with immediate effect? By the sound of his statement it is and I have to say Im slightly surprised that he didn't give it until the end of the season. Sure he has been somewhat of a liability when he has played but he may have had something to offer still. And im sure he wouldve loved to be part of the 19th title winning squad. Shame really but he was fantastic while he was with us.

TK-Red

To TK-Red

I think we should thank Nev for many years of top quality loyal service. One of the few players to stay loyal to his club. For those scousers making comments probably only Carragher can compare in terms of loyalty but not in quality (Gerrard heard the call of the Chelsea wages several times). Of course loyalty is a rare commodity these days and our Scouse friends posting about Nev perhaps want to reflect on that.
Would he want to be part of a squad that may or may not win the league if he can't fully contribute? Perhaps that is a measure of the man , if he can't contribute then he won't take plaudits he has not earned.

I think we all saw he was caught out a few weeks ago and does he want to be remembered like that or as the England and Man Utd right back who always gave everything. It is a message which cannot have been missed by Scholes in particular and Giggs, don't wait until you get embarrassed to retire. Back to Nev, there are very few players who I could say absolutely tried in every game and I don't recall one game when he didn't give everything or care.

He may not have been liked by opposition fans or players, he may not have always been the wisest with comments but he cared about our club like we do and given the talent he had and used we could ask little more. He won't make our top 10 but of our erstwhile management prospects plying their trade it would not surprise me to see him in the managers chair one day.

Red Nev your skill and passion was a pleasure to watch

Red Man

02 Feb 2011 19:43:29
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I would just like to bid fairwell to Gary Neville. Brother of Phil Neville, and spawn of Neville Neville. I am very happy that you took the decision to end your career with immediate effect.

You oppitomosed the very essence of your club.

02 Feb 2011 19:26:57
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Isn't every player who has helped us win 3 European Cups a legend?

SickBhoy

02 Feb 2011 19:17:58
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@Gary Neville retires from footy!

A true legend!

Sydney!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well done Red Nev that is called knowing when to go but I am sorry Sydney A true legend how do you make that out. He was a good right back who has done well at the club I think you are using the word legend very cheaply. Lets not forget how many times he has made us squirm with embarassment . And can anyone with that kind of facial hair really be called a legend. Lets just thank him for the job he did and hope he does well as the reserves coach which is the job I see him getting. RAINFISHTROMBONE


*Is this with immediate effect? By the sound of his statement it is and I have to say Im slightly surprised that he didn't give it until the end of the season. Sure he has been somewhat of a liability when he has played but he may have had something to offer still. And im sure he wouldve loved to be part of the 19th title winning squad. Shame really but he was fantastic while he was with us.

TK-Red

02 Feb 2011 19:01:05
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@Gary Neville retires from footy!

A true legend!

Sydney!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well done Red Nev that is called knowing when to go but I am sorry Sydney A true legend how do you make that out. He was a good right back who has done well at the club I think you are using the word legend very cheaply. Lets not forget how many times he has made us squirm with embarassment . And can anyone with that kind of facial hair really be called a legend. Lets just thank him for the job he did and hope he does well as the reserves coach which is the job I see him getting. RAINFISHTROMBONE

02 Feb 2011 17:58:59
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02 Feb 2011 17:51:08
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02 Feb 2011 16:28:25
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02 Feb 2011 13:51:01
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Ed its 70m that's has to be kept in the bank as part of the bond scheme, that's leaves 81m which could potentially be spent but we could also raise over 20m from sales then theres the money saved by the retirement of some big earners(VDS, hargreaves, owen, neville, scholes?) so there potentially is plenty of money to spend, but i expect there to be a net spend of around 20-25m. Hope that helps.
Shappy {ed's note - it does not leave 81m to spend, that money also has operating costs to cover.}

Maybe So but it will also have money coming in from revenue. . {ed's note - yes but that does not mean that 81m is there to spend on transfers.}

Well it does but that doesn't mean will! {ed's note - clearly it doesn't, as has been explained a hundred times on here before, it is not that cut and dried. If it was every club would just save up big sums in their bank accounts ready for the transfer windows!}

Why how many actually make any money themselves? I am sure if and that's a big IF Fergie wanted to spend that money he would be able to. . {ed's note - Stoke are profitable, very profitable, but they have never built up sums in the bank. Spurs have been profitable for years, they don't operate with a big sum of cash sat in the bank. If Fergie could spend it he already would have.}

So why is it there?? ?? {ed's note - I have no idea.}

02 Feb 2011 17:58:19
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02 Feb 2011 17:51:08
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02 Feb 2011 16:28:25
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02 Feb 2011 13:51:01
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Ed its 70m that's has to be kept in the bank as part of the bond scheme, that's leaves 81m which could potentially be spent but we could also raise over 20m from sales then theres the money saved by the retirement of some big earners(VDS, hargreaves, owen, neville, scholes?) so there potentially is plenty of money to spend, but i expect there to be a net spend of around 20-25m. Hope that helps.
Shappy {ed's note - it does not leave 81m to spend, that money also has operating costs to cover.}

Maybe So but it will also have money coming in from revenue. . {ed's note - yes but that does not mean that 81m is there to spend on transfers.}

Well it does but that doesn't mean will! {ed's note - clearly it doesn't, as has been explained a hundred times on here before, it is not that cut and dried. If it was every club would just save up big sums in their bank accounts ready for the transfer windows!}

Why how many actually make any money themselves? I am sure if and that's a big IF Fergie wanted to spend that money he would be able to. . {ed's note - Stoke are profitable, very profitable, but they have never built up sums in the bank. Spurs have been profitable for years, they don't operate with a big sum of cash sat in the bank. If Fergie could spend it he already would have.}

Well I guess (Liverpool ED) only time will tell. .

Perhaps you could confirm which ED you are so that if again a big IF Fergie spends the money in the summer, we know who to aim our I told you so's at. {ed's note - you can see which ed I am by the way I sign off.}

02 Feb 2011 17:33:40
Is tarrabt a possibility r did his tantrum at hull wreck his chances of moving?

02 Feb 2011 14:34:14
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"*Who on earth said this? Bargain hunting for a 23 yr old van nistelrooy? He was the most in demand striker in Europe at the time. His goal record at PSV was ludicrously good. The top clubs in europe were circling him. I apologize if I have missed the possible tongue in cheek nature of the post but if it was a serious point then whomever it was is talking complete tripe.

TK-Red"

All top clubs were chasing him is correct, but nobody ever had a chance of getting him. According to what i know and which is pretty common knowledge i think, we had him tapped up and turned his head towards united pretty early via SAF's son. As far as i know, nobody else made an offer for him. We were chasing him for long and got him after his injury was cured.

The point i am trying to make is that Very Messi claims that Gill is wrong when he says we have bought young players with potential and made them stars rather than buying ready made 27-28 year old finished articles and that it is propaganda. While i say it is correct and us chasing RVN at 20mil rather than Ronaldo (the world's best at the time no doubt) at 40mil proves that we always preferred buying young rather than the finished absolute top stars. The established players bought have been very rare and few and far between. All the players we payed top money for starting from keane, were young players who had potential and became stars with us.

The only established finished article stars i remember us buying in recent memory are Yorke, Rio (24 at the time), Veron, Berbatov, Hargreaves.

REDFAITH

02 Feb 2011 14:31:23
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Editor can you tell by looking at our ip addresses, where we live? {ed's note - to a degree yes.}

So you know i am in Southampton, you just don't know the exact address? {ed's note - yes mate.}

02 Feb 2011 13:58:43
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HE DIDNT REFER TO IT IN THAT WAY DID HE? {ed's note - he was clearly implying that having that money in the bank meant you had plenty to spend, which is just as clearly untrue.}

I meant we have plenty of money in the bank to raise the 30m net that we would need.

02 Feb 2011 13:52:26
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02 Feb 2011 12:56:24
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And if indeed he is under the supposed spending restrictions, that makes his victories taste even sweeter!

REDFAITH

To be fair Chelsea and City have done some good spending, not all have been good signings but one thing we can be certain of is this summer, signings will be quiet for both Chelsea & City. Like UEFA said, this summer is when they will be taking all transfers and fees into consideration. This is why Chelsea could not wait until the summer for Torres and it had to be January.

We have 151m sat in the bank, as Chelsea & City can no longer delve into the market this summer, we will have just Spurs and Liverpool to compete with for targets and there's only one winner there. This summer we will have money to spend, 30m to 40m net I hope, the transfer fees will not be as excessive and we have plenty of dough in the bank with no real competiters, well from England anyway.

We only need 2-3 players, maximum spend of 30m net and we would be set for years. We would not need the Glazer to sanction anymore transfers for a few years. I would sell Gibson (4m), Obertan (4m), Diouf (5m), Macheda (7m), Kuszczak (3m), Drinkwater, Eikrem, Chester, Stewart (combined 3m)

For example
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Adler+Lindegaard+Amos

Rafael+Brown+Smalling+Vidic+Ferdinand+Evans+Fabio+O'Shea+Evra

Park+Giggs+Valencia+Nani+Bebe+Cleverley+Scholes+Fletch+Carrick+Anderson+Pogba+Morrison+Henderson+Modric

Rooney+Berbatov+Welbeck+Hernandez

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Would anyone moan if this was next years squad? {ed's note - will people stop referring to the 151m in the bank as if it is ready cash you can use to sign players. Most of it is required to be in the bank as a condition of the bond, you will not be able to spend it! Isn't it about 90m that has to be in there? Sydney? Anyone?}

HE DIDNT REFER TO IT IN THAT WAY DID HE? {ed's note - he was clearly implying that having that money in the bank meant you had plenty to spend, which is just as clearly untrue.}

02 Feb 2011 13:45:38
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Would anyone moan if this was next years squad? {ed's note - will people stop referring to the 151m in the bank as if it is ready cash you can use to sign players. Most of it is required to be in the bank as a condition of the bond, you will not be able to spend it! Isn't it about 90m that has to be in there? Sydney? Anyone?}

£70m must remain in the reserves as a condition of the bonds. {ed's note - cheers!}

02 Feb 2011 12:56:24
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And if indeed he is under the supposed spending restrictions, that makes his victories taste even sweeter!

REDFAITH

To be fair Chelsea and City have done some good spending, not all have been good signings but one thing we can be certain of is this summer, signings will be quiet for both Chelsea & City. Like UEFA said, this summer is when they will be taking all transfers and fees into consideration. This is why Chelsea could not wait until the summer for Torres and it had to be January.

We have 151m sat in the bank, as Chelsea & City can no longer delve into the market this summer, we will have just Spurs and Liverpool to compete with for targets and there's only one winner there. This summer we will have money to spend, 30m to 40m net I hope, the transfer fees will not be as excessive and we have plenty of dough in the bank with no real competiters, well from England anyway.

We only need 2-3 players, maximum spend of 30m net and we would be set for years. We would not need the Glazer to sanction anymore transfers for a few years. I would sell Gibson (4m), Obertan (4m), Diouf (5m), Macheda (7m), Kuszczak (3m), Drinkwater, Eikrem, Chester, Stewart (combined 3m)

For example
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Adler+Lindegaard+Amos

Rafael+Brown+Smalling+Vidic+Ferdinand+Evans+Fabio+O'Shea+Evra

Park+Giggs+Valencia+Nani+Bebe+Cleverley+Scholes+Fletch+Carrick+Anderson+Pogba+Morrison+Henderson+Modric

Rooney+Berbatov+Welbeck+Hernandez

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Would anyone moan if this was next years squad? {ed's note - will people stop referring to the 151m in the bank as if it is ready cash you can use to sign players. Most of it is required to be in the bank as a condition of the bond, you will not be able to spend it! Isn't it about 90m that has to be in there? Sydney? Anyone?}

02 Feb 2011 11:26:50
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Utd won't sell Carrick even tho they should . . Carrick has experience . . . . which Fregie prefers rather than youth who have no experience eg look what Chelsea when the tried to use youth the went on six game losing streak . . . Fregie is smart he use the youth player at the right time

Red Assassin

02 Feb 2011 10:30:24
"Welcome to Salford" United have been buying succsess for the last 15 years. . .

@Mate Sydney is rite. n btw MAN UTD have earned those success deservingly. .

probably u r anti Man Utd fan. . n to be honest

Sydney u r rite. .
1 GK n 1 CM. . + Welbeck n Cleverley

So we get four signings for next season which many fellow UTD fans can't see. dnt be short sighted. .SAF the genius has already bailed us out with 2 default signings for next season.

Sydney u mite love to hear this. .

May be we saved money to get Sanchez. as Chelsea r also after him.

Shaun

02 Feb 2011 10:25:43
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BowlDonBowl

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02 Feb 2011 10:14:43
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Agree with Modric shout problem will be that he will now cost in the 30-40m bracket if spurs stay in top 4 and 25-35 if they dont. Cant see Fergie/ Glaziers doing that sort of deal now for anyone who after 4 years will be approaching 30 and have no resale value.

Jono

@Okay bud? I agree with the prices there, if Spurs finish 5th and Arry is getting ready to be England manager, I believe Modric would become available but at around £30m, £30m for a 25/ 26 year old midfield bosser (finished article). A player that could easily play into his mid-30s at the same pace imo. Is a bargain, isn't it? With Pogba coming through I think just Modric added to the midfield would be enough for us.

Sell Gibbo, Kuszczak, Drinkwater, Brown, James, Chester (already sold), Stewart (already sold) Eikrem (already sold) etc to raise £15m, then add £25m to the kitty and buy Mods & a keeper. Job done imo.

Sydney!