Manchester United Rumours Archive July 30 2012

30 Jul 2012 22:57:36
Its been reported on sly sports website that the glazers are going to sell just over 10 percent of shares to raise roughly 190 million and can you belive this, half the money will go towards paying the debts and the other half to themselves ! Furious

They are selling shares between $16-$20 to raise about £220 to reduce the £450 by nearly half.... I cant wait as Im buying myself shares.... Tampa Tim

Tampa Tim

They are putting £73m towards the debt. Hardly half is it? The rest goes to them.

I would say any fan who cares about the club should NOT buy these shares.

G.A.G.U.S

I agree, dont buy shares if you support the team, only buy shares if you want to line glazzers pockets.

A fan that supports the club would do that and that means support the Glazers. They own the club, its their money get it? Why go against the grain. they had the bottle and foresight to buy the club. The opportunity was there for everyone. Get over it.

I can't understand the incredulity of you guys on this Glazer issue. It was always going to be thus. They care about the club? They care about transfers? They care about you? NO !!!!!!!!!! They care about themselves and the profit they can get. It's not rocket science. Furthermore, if you think Fergie did not know this (and Gill)and is not getting some recompense . . .
Ellie

I don't understand why everyone is so angry at this. It's their business, before that it was someone elses business and they sold it to them.

What would you do with your family's wealth? Spend it all frivolously on the transfer targets *we want* that Sir Alex doesn't neccessarily want? Spending it all, leaving your family legacy with nothing? Or would you try to make a profit? It is a business at the end of the day. It is their jobs, their livelihood. They're not sugar daddies, they're business men, running a business, trying to make a profit.

Second to that. If they want a big payday - why can't they have it? If I was running my own company, and I could float some shares to pay off some debt and give myself a huge wedge of cash - I'd do it.

Also, we have to trust the fact that to keep the money rolling in, to keep paying off the debt, the Glaziers will need to keep us competetive. Surely they're not dumb enough to leave us (and themselves broke) and ruin their families legacy and wealth?

I don't hate them, I don't like them. I don't care. I didn't hate or like Martin Edwards and the PLC.

Wouldn't it be worse if the Glaziers were spending like Man City and then risk putting us in Administration in the next decade?

I am a hardcore Utd fan since I was too young to kick a Mitre Delta without breaking my foot.

Let's all just be a little realistic over the nature of football these days, and not get carried away with our hatred for someone who is just doing what they want to with their family business.

firebear82

They will use the other half to repay the personal loans they took out to repay the piks loan. It is likely that they are about to (or have already) breached a covenant on this new loan so the interest rate will go up.
See andersred blog

Im afraid there are approx 80-100,000 fans who care about the club, and 657,000,000 who dont really give a toss. The shares will get sold, the Glazers will get rich, and United will get poorer (and more American by the day).

G.A.G.U.S

Where does it say the Glazers are putting in only £73m. The Orlando Sentinel is quotes them as putting in £200-220m into the debt. They were on local TV too to enhance that statement.

Tampa Tim

I like to know why United fans are all angry at the Glazers, when over 85,000 turn up every home game to watch the team.... to ensure the American owners stay with the club. Every United fan buying merchandise, a home/away kit, a match day programme just ensures that the Glazers keep taking the money away with them. Less than £80m goes towards the debt.
Man United will go the way Tampa Bay Bucc went. Superbowl champions, one year and then they sold 9 amazing star players and we are just an average team. They will do this to United..... Wake up and see what the Rock is cooking.....

The Rock , Kissimmee

PS before you tell me I havent been to United, I have seen the Reds play from the likes of Buchan, Coppell until my US Football team owners meddled with Man U

It is the way capitalism works.

It's our system.

Get over it G.A.G.U.S, they bought the club.....they own it. They can do what they want with all the share money....it's theirs. Do you honestly think they do all this for nothing. They are businessmen and they want their share.
You should have bought the club when you had a chance.

Highlandpedro.

F*ck that mate buy the shares if u think u can make something from it, the clowns telling u not to probably couldn't afford to
Do it, neither could I, but end of the day football won't feed your kids !

Firebear82

I agree - I you bought a company (ok on dodgy scheme) but bought none the less then you would like a return on it.

They are managing the debts via repayments and have expanded our business base and brought in massive sponsorship deals.

i'd be pissed if i was allowed to take something back for myself out of my own business.

As long as they countinue to expand and support the team then i have no issue.

the minute they stop providing transfer funds and jeapordising the team then it's time to kick off but until then sit back and support your football team.

They invested last year and agin this year (even though we won naff all)

they will look after the team because without it they have no real business.

Monk

I would nt buy these shares even if i had money to spare for one whats to stop the glassers from revoking the shares after all they will be the minority and they have already done it once
also its not really Man United who is in debt its the bloody glassers they borrowed the money to buy out Man United and put the debt into Man United so in effect Man United are buying themselves and also lineing the glassers pockets so in effect utd have been ripped of twice by these so called biusness men

G.A.G.U.S

I appreciate your reply, but if every real Man United fan bought a share and the real fans eventually owned the shares, then this mess would never happen again for Man Utd.

Tampa Tim {Ed007's Note - Real Man Utd fans don't refer to there club as Man U either.}

This club is my club,my club is your club and malcon glazer you will never buy are soul!! The only way to get them out is all us season ticket holders/members to not enter the ground,ok they get are money but think what the sponsors will think about utd playin infront of a empty stadium!? ok it will affect are chances on the pitch but i can take that to get rid of these yanks,like every other real manc could,WE WANT GLAZER OUT

30 Jul 2012 22:09:18
Manchester United will give the public a chance to own part of the Premier Leauge club after all, and potential investors now know how much they should expect to spend. The Premier League club will launch its initial public offering (IPO) as early as next week, with shares selling between $16 and $20, Reuters reports. United "expects to sell 16.67 million shares in its initial public offering at between $16 and $20 each," the report says. "The offering is now expected to raise $383.3 million (243.9 million pounds) at the upper end of the price band."

jred

30 Jul 2012 21:28:31
Bloomberg reporting that Glazers are offering 16.7m shares at $16-$20 each. Which means they could raise between $267m and $333m (or £170m and £212m at current rates).

30 Jul 2012 20:15:54
According to reports the future of Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez is in question.

The Manchester Evening News claims the potential signing of Arsenal striker Robin van Persie is likely to be at the cost of the Mexican.

Wayne Rooney and Danny Welbeck are currently ahead of the youngster.

In addtion, the arrival of Shinji Kagawa, who will be utilised behind a main striker, will limit Hernandez’s opportunities.

sorry for copy n paste, but what do people think of this?

if you look at it like this, berbatov and hernandez out kagawa and RVP in then i think it's an improvement.

It's a tough situation, it looks like Berbatov is going to go. So if RVP comes in then we'll have the four strikers that SAF likes to have at his disposal. However that's based on a 4-4-2 which is probably going to change to have a single man up front. If that's the case 4 strikers aren't necessary. To be honest i'd prefer to get rid of Welbeck, I rate Hernandez quite highly and think he has more to give than Welbeck. There would be plenty of teams eager to buy either of them as well. My worry would be that if RVP comes in, Berbatov and (if) Hernandez go...RVP gets injured and we're back to square one...playing players out of position and relying on Rooney to make up for Welbecks's share of the goals. I'd prefer a player like Lewandowski who is much younger and can give more to the team (and wont want 220K a month)

Andy

Or how about if we sign RVP see how he does for a year and loan Hernandez to a big club to allow him to gain a load of playing time?

That is what I hope would happen!

-JakeW

Can't believe you would rather have Lewandowski than Welbeck? Crazy.

DodgyBanter

Hernandez just signed a new contract and Welbeck will to soon (if he hasn't already). Both are young and will be around for a long time to come.

I do think that Hernandez will struggle to get playing time if RVP comes in though.

KB

Good call JW. Dont know if Chitcha would want that though. He must know for as long as RVPs contract is he will never be first choice. I think the only reason why Welbeck was ahead of Chitcha this season was because of Chitcha's injury problems affecting his game. He will rise above Welbeck next season. Even though Welbeck is an academy boy and united through and through we have Will Keane and James Wilson in the same basket who are coming through so I would not mind too much if he was sold. He could raise some extra cash for a CM like Moutinho/Modric.

Dan

I would rather see welbeck leave than Hernandez. We need out and out goalscorers to take the burden of our legendary number 10 who really has no right to score that many in the position he plays!

Welbeck still hasn't signed a contract who is to say he will maybe he will do a Fryers and Pogba, plus he isn't anywhere near as good a goal scorer as Hernandez and never will be

Pardoe

I think Kagawa's decisive passing will compliment Hernandez perfectly this upcoming season. Seriously doubt he would be let go after just 2 seasons.

Ruudinthemood

Hernandez has more to offer than Welbeck? You must be kidding me,he can't even pass a ball,let alone control it.

This will be called unbeatable manchester united if fergie does this option

Yeah we don't need Hernandez we already have Rooney and welbeck and there is a chance we will sign a new striker like van persie, lewandovski or falcao plus every time we do play him hes always offside and never gets in the game as someone like Rooney would

Where does all this talk about playing 4-2-3-1 come from? Has Sir Alex actually said he's going for that formation next year?

firebear83

If RVP was signed, i would sell Hernandez. Rooney, RVP, welbeck and Kagwa is plenty.

Millz

The idea that some suggest, that Chico is better than Welbeck is ridiculous. Dribberling Chico 2, Wellbeck 7. Passing Chico 3 Welbeck 6. First touch Chico 3 Welbeck 7. Heading Chico 5 welbeck 5. Potential Chico at 24 5 Welbeck at 21 9. All round ablility Chico 3 Welbeck 7. I doubt anyone will buy Chico for more than 8 -12m. He is really poor and if we don't sell him now, in a season or two managers will forget him being OK the season before last and we'll be lucky to get our money back.
Mik

30 Jul 2012 20:03:30
man united shirt deal with chvrolet worth $600m dollars with a $100m dollar activation fee back of the net

30 Jul 2012 16:03:11
Mufc have announced a shirt sponsor with chevroulette to start on 14/15 season

I wonder how much it's worth? The Aon deal is £80m over four years and we received a down payment of £34m. I wonder if we have just received a down payment from Chevrolet? Wouldn't surprise me.

Sydney!

Who has disagreed with this comment do they not follow the club

One paper is putting down as £125M over 7 years. So that's an extra £5M per year to go towards servicing our massive debt.

RedMonkey

£125m over 7 years is actually £3m a season less then we are getting now. I think you have made a blunder there my friend.

Sydney!

RedMonkey

where is 125M over 7 years (17.8M per year) an extra 5M per year over 80M over 4 years (20M per year)?

Jonny8

200M over 7 years (28,6M per year) would mark a great improvement though!

You can say anything you want about the Glazers, but you have to hand to them they dramatically improved the commercial income

Lads Reuters are reporting it's a deal worth £382m over seven years. That's almost £55m a season. Not bad if this story is accurate. F***ing shocking if this is true.

Sydney!

I wonder, what will it be on the shirt? chevrolet or the logo or else?

jlber21

Apologies i took the Barca figure of 125M when i was posting (previous record sponsorship deal). Simple mistake. It is of course £25M per season compared to the current £20M per season....hence the £5M extra towards debts.

Jeez, you guys are quick to hammer a post!

RedMonkey

Ed002, do you have any of the figures in this deal?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - There is some serious misinformation right now Syd but the answer should be clarified later today. I am on the road so you may see it in the press first. The number we have been given works out to a pretty staggering 30M GBP per year but there is an issue that is not at all clear to me at this time.}

30 Jul 2012 13:28:46
Baines will come to united for around 12m my friend got told this by a very very close source to moyes, RVP is very possible we are supposed to have increased a bid might be done by end of the week,Moura will arrive after olympics if nt he will JOin Real MADRID

He would never join Madrid they have Ozil, Canales and other players who are well
Established in moura's position

30 Jul 2012 12:17:58
ed07... tribal reporting that we may be ready to slap in opening bid for Wanyama.

Do you know of any firm interest..?

oxred {Ed007's Note - I don't know of any firm interest but Utd are just one of the many clubs he has been linked with. Gilles Grimandi recommended Wanyama to Wenger as an alternative to M'Villa, the strongest interest seems to be coming from them.}

United were watching him and his brother when they were in Scandinavia.

Sydney!

Can't believe that this far into the transfer window we are assessing a player

Have you ever thought that we have already assessed but maybe it's our plan B as plan A was too costly

I think for 7 million he would be a steal.

Would not come with too much expectation and he is really good with the ball, much more than a defensive minded midfielder.

Cban

30 Jul 2012 08:11:40
this rumuor about manutd monitoring ashley cole could be true
many of the sports newspapers like metro ,sunday express and daily star are reporting this

This is nothing more than the Ashley Cole camp trying to get him a massive Chelsea deal and using our club's name to get him that deal. This rumour isn't even worth the space on this page.

Sydney!

Ah the Metro and Daily Star, well known for their truthful and accurate stories!

GDS

Metro, Daily Star and Sunday Express...totally reliable newspapers, not tacky ones at all

Why do we want a 31 year old we are looking for some1 to replace evra a younger left back thats only paper BS

I like the look of davide petrucci he could be or next playmaker if hes giving a chance hes going to get better and when he does he will be class hes our best young player coming through by a mile

The daiy star shouldn't even be classified as a paper. It's a comic. The beano is more intellectually stimulating!

Philiphs93

About as stupid as the story from last year linking us with Lampard...

This is strange because sir Alex said he wanted a new left back as Patrice evra is getting old but Ashley cole is the same age as evra roughly

We dont want to young an lb that they will just get in the way of Fabio and Blacketts development. Baines is perfect because he will be phased out just when Fabio and Blacket will be starting to mature. All you Baines haters need to see that it is best for not only the current team but the future LBs if we sign Baines. I would also think about Luke Shaw though. Everybody seems to think he is the next Bale and the FA chairman has gone as far to call him "the future of English football". City, Chelsea and Arsenal interested so get in there Fergie, he could be altered to a left winger and be giggs' natural replacement in a few years!

Dan

I think baines is a great player, and i agree would be a perfect replacement for evra and also give the younger players a chance to progress because baines is middle aged. But i think any more than 14 million for baines is too much, great player but not worth breaking the bank for
Taz

30 Jul 2012 07:38:19
I personally think sir Alex should go for brazillian midfielder Romulo Borges,think he's a good player.what are your views {Ed002's Note - Romulo has already moved this summer. He was one of the Brazilian players looked at by Liverpool.}