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03 Feb 2011 23:30:45
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I have heard similar in the last few days, if true I believe the two players to be Henderson and Rodwell! Two great prospects that I would love to have at United.
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Would be nice to have 2 future England internationals in the team.
They probably would be the "future" replacements for Hargreaves and Scholes/ Carrick.
03 Feb 2011 23:01:49
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Can anyone clear up if we do have a buy back clause in rossi contract and if so how much is it?hes been banging um in for villareal and I think would be a good signing!
03 Feb 2011 22:30:22
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In reply to;
Talks with Everton over Rodwell took place over January. No deal struck, but preliminary talks were positive I hear.
Ive been told to expect two bigish signings in the summer. . we arent talking huge money here 15-20mil each.
There may also be the usual assortment of punts and prospects brought in on top of this.
Amok
I have heard similar in the last few days, if true I believe the two players to be Henderson and Rodwell! Two great prospects that I would love to have at United.
United Till I Die 1987
03 Feb 2011 22:25:59
My brother works at the students union in Dundee, and he works with Charlie Adam's uncle. Anyways, my brother was having a conversation with Mr. Adam who advised my brother to put money on his nephew moving to Old Trafford in the summer as talks are being held, and this was why offers were not being accepted in the transfer window. Nothing is official yet, and they're only holding talks, but Charlie's uncle says his mind is made up, and he is dreaming of signing for Manchester United.
This is 100% accurate. I swear on my life, this really happened. I'm not wanting to say 'FACT' and sound like a newt, but i'm definitely betting on this!
Why are you keeping posting this? Please stop? Adam is at the best place, Blackpool with the rest of the donkeys! Thats 3/ 4 times that's been posted Ed? {ed's note - sorry different editors posting it, I will mention to not post it again to the rest of them.}
03 Feb 2011 22:13:02
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SAF won't buy Kagawa now that he's out for the season. A move was looking likely as he does seem to have the makings of a great player. But do you think we will spend 20 million on a player who was playing in the second tier of Japanese football last season? He's had a good few months since making the switch but the injury has hampered any chances of a move now im afraid.
Although keep your eye on him, fantastic looking prospect.
EireRed
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Your stats are rubbish mate. We spent £19m on a twice long term injured RVN that worked out ok did it not? And we just shelled out £10m for a player who was at Fulham for 6 months and in the conferance before that (Smalling)! Im not saying we will sign him or not but the injury might help if we are really interested as he won't get to showcase his skills for next 6 months and alert more bidders!
Jono!
03 Feb 2011 21:59:46
Dear rainfish, i fully appreciate that this is a FOOTBALL banter site and am fully prepared to listen to anyone with a football opinion but it was just insults you threw at me that had nothing to do with football, i'm assuming you disagree with me as you haven't said that you do. I'm alittle surprised the ed let your comment through. As they weren't really constructive or even a different opinion just nasty comments. I hope your sat at your pc feeling like a big man cus you insulted someone online, i'm assuming you don't actually talk face to face with people in the same way? If you did i assure you someone would ave hit by now. I had a similar dispute with a shrimp on here at least he had the decentcy to apoligise and after we had i good football discussion. I'm not expecting an apoligy from you, you seem to take enjoyment out of winding people up and generally acting like a spoilt brat the moment someone has the cheek to have a different opinion than you. But never mind you do seem to have a uncanny knowledge of the mental healt system though i must say. Thanks for your time.
Shappy
Well said Shappy, all Rainfish does is come on here and spout negative opinions about anything Man Utd and if you don't agree be prepared for a barrage of abuse. Keep posting mate, your entitled to your opinion as much as anyone, even better if it's positive. Maybe if a few others spoke up Rainfish might learn to show common courtesy and respect to other people. His arrogant, ignorant attitude shines through with every post. A "man" who just comes on here to wind people up and feed his ego as Mr Man Utd, who knows every detail of the clubs finances/ players/ contracts/ transfers. The picture in my head is a very sad individual, sitting in his room at his mothers, complete with Man Utd wallpaper, quilt cover and carpet (all bought before the takeover of course) his one man crusade to slate the club is getting boring, he would love to see the club in financial meltdown just to say I told you so, I told you I was great, and us replying to his outrageous posts just help to massage that massive ego even further, best bet is to ignore him and listen to Syd, Red Faith, Red Knight etc even Ngiak, at least these guys will respect your opinions and have a conversation without resorting to name calling and trying to belittle people. Can you imagine how smug he must look? OOOHHH LOOK AT ME I KNOW ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ABOUT MAN UTD SO THERES NO POINT DISAGREEING WITH ME, DON'T I MUM? Rainfishtrombone, more like rainfish trumpet.
03 Feb 2011 21:58:06
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To Rainfishtrombone (from a fellow Tom Waits fan).
I don't post very often but I read this site every day and always enjoy your intelligent and entertaining posts. You are clearly a genuine United fan and this site is better for your contributions. Having said that I don't think Shappy said anything to offend you. I think he was just giving his tuppence worth on the state of all things United rather than trying to undermine you. I don't know either of you by the way!
I don't know Sydney either but he might not make a bad Editor once he makes his mind up which keeper he actually wants United to sign :-)!
Ryan
03 Feb 2011 21:46:19
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SAF won't buy Kagawa now that he's out for the season. A move was looking likely as he does seem to have the makings of a great player. But do you think we will spend 20 million on a player who was playing in the second tier of Japanese football last season? He's had a good few months since making the switch but the injury has hampered any chances of a move now im afraid.
Although keep your eye on him, fantastic looking prospect.
EireRed
03 Feb 2011 20:43:55
My brother works at the students union in Dundee, and he works with Charlie Adam's uncle. Anyways, my brother was having a conversation with Mr. Adam who advised my brother to put money on his nephew moving to Old Trafford in the summer as talks are being held, and this was why offers were not being accepted in the transfer window. Nothing is official yet, and they're only holding talks, but Charlie's uncle says his mind is made up, and he is dreaming of signing for Manchester United.
This is 100% accurate. I swear on my life, this really happened. I'm not wanting to say 'FACT' and sound like a newt, but i'm definitely betting on this
You posted this last night and were told it was a load of Michael Knight. Stop trying to bum this guy up, he's playing at the right level and having a wonder season. It's a mistake to buy a 25yr old who was passed about like a scud book before having a good 18 months with a diddy team. £14 million?? Holloways at the madam to make himself a few quid.
03 Feb 2011 20:16:36
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Talks with Everton over Rodwell took place over January. No deal struck, but preliminary talks were positive I hear.
Ive been told to expect two bigish signings in the summer. . we arent talking huge money here 15-20mil each.
There may also be the usual assortment of punts and prospects brought in on top of this.
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can that second player be Kagawa? he would cost around 20 mil. I think Rodwell, Kagawa and Stekelenburg IN Scholes VDS Neville Out Giggs one more year until Cleverley and Morrison step up
03 Feb 2011 19:45:43
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Talks with Everton over Rodwell took place over January. No deal struck, but preliminary talks were positive I hear.
Ive been told to expect two bigish signings in the summer. . we arent talking huge money here 15-20mil each.
There may also be the usual assortment of punts and prospects brought in on top of this.
Amok
03 Feb 2011 18:55:40
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Morrison is on the bench for the reserves tonight.
Sydney!
03 Feb 2011 18:40:50
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Dear rainfish, i fully appreciate that this is a FOOTBALL banter site and am fully prepared to listen to anyone with a football opinion but it was just insults you threw at me that had nothing to do with football, i'm assuming you disagree with me as you haven't said that you do. I'm alittle surprised the ed let your comment through. As they weren't really constructive or even a different opinion just nasty comments. I hope your sat at your pc feeling like a big man cus you insulted someone online, i'm assuming you don't actually talk face to face with people in the same way? If you did i assure you someone would ave hit by now. I had a similar dispute with a shrimp on here at least he had the decentcy to apoligise and after we had i good football discussion. I'm not expecting an apoligy from you, you seem to take enjoyment out of winding people up and generally acting like a spoilt brat the moment someone has the cheek to have a different opinion than you. But never mind you do seem to have a uncanny knowledge of the mental healt system though i must say. Thanks for your time.
Shappy
03 Feb 2011 15:22:38
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As of January 2011, not a single penny from Manchester United has gone in owner dividends. FACT.
REDFAITH
Sorry Redfaith
I mean't in terms of salaries, loans that kind of thing, not literally dividends.
I like the capital thing again. FACT
Lighten up mate, don't get too serious, I answered your 7 questions didn't I . .chilllllllll
Very Messi
03 Feb 2011 15:10:19
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Thanks rainfish for cutting the main part of my post to try and show me up. How very clever of you. Are you a journalist by any chance? They are very "sparing" with info too. I knew i would get different views but is the name calling really necessary, its just nasty bullying, now having read many of your post i know that you do have a some valid points but name calling, i expected better from you. You have let yourself down. Moving on to mr very messi i fully see your point but if you earn 25 grand a year you also have to pay all the bills out of your wages which in the terms of the club would be all the expenses the club incur. So i feel that my point is still valid, like i said before i would prefer we were debt free but in real terms were not in dire straits either.
Shappy
03 Feb 2011 14:47:33
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"Don't forget turnover is revenue and not profit. Turnover is then reduced by all business costs, corporate tax, staff costs (which alone is about 50% of turnover), facilities maintenance etc. I can't remember how much is left after all of the costs of running the United business, but what is left goes on owner dividends, debt re-payments, and player investment. Its not quite as rosy as you think.
Very Messi"
As of January 2011, not a single penny from Manchester United has gone in owner dividends. FACT.
REDFAITH
03 Feb 2011 14:35:43
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Can i just come at this whole debt thing from a new angle. In the best situation the club owes 500m in the worst case 700m the club has a turnover of just over 1bn. In normal man terms that's a debt of less than a years wages, which means everyone with a mortage is in more debt than man utd. Also everyone with a higher figure of debt than they earn in a year is also in more debt than man utd. I think it just puts it into a real terms perspective, cus if you say 500m it sounds huge but in reality it's not quite as bad as it appears, obviously no debt would be better but it's a comfortably repayable debt. Just a different view point, i'll be happy to hear wat you guys think.
Shappy
*Personally Ive never felt overly uncomfortable with the debts but as time goes on, the lack of investment does become more frustrating. Although the debt itself is managable, the concern is the impact it has or may have on our transfer policy. I, like many others, will make my final decision in the summer. Should SAF be given the money to spend on the right players then ok but if he isn't then I may begin sounding like RAINFISHTROMBONE amongst others. SAF seems so desperate for Scholes and Giggs to stay on for as long as possible obviously because they are quality players but partly, I fear, because it means he has another excuse not to spend money. There is the very obvious argument that says "just imagine if we wouldve had the interest money, to spend on players in the transfer market". . .
I think the worrying thing about the Glazers is that they are the business equivalent of someone who owes £1000 worth of debt but only pays off the minimum 5p a week. Meaning they are in debt for longer and pay almost as much in interest as they have for the club.
TK-Red
03 Feb 2011 14:22:54
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Can i just come at this whole debt thing from a new angle. In the best situation the club owes 500m in the worst case 700m the club has a turnover of just over 1bn. In normal man terms that's a debt of less than a years wages, which means everyone with a mortage is in more debt than man utd. Also everyone with a higher figure of debt than they earn in a year is also in more debt than man utd. I think it just puts it into a real terms perspective, cus if you say 500m it sounds huge but in reality it's not quite as bad as it appears, obviously no debt would be better but it's a comfortably repayable debt. Just a different view point, i'll be happy to hear wat you guys think.
Shappy
Hi Shappy
Don't forget turnover is revenue and not profit. Turnover is then reduced by all business costs, corporate tax, staff costs (which alone is about 50% of turnover), facilities maintenance etc. I can't remember how much is left after all of the costs of running the United business, but what is left goes on owner dividends, debt re-payments, and player investment. Its not quite as rosy as you think.
Very Messi
03 Feb 2011 14:19:26
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New "ED" required on the Man Utd Rumours page - please apply within. .
*Haha careful what you wish for mate. The Liverpool Ed is one of the more fair minded ones.
TK-Red
03 Feb 2011 14:14:37
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ED what kinda transfers do u expect to happen in summer(except that of a keeper). .
Plzz gimme some names. .
sydney, rainfish, ed plzzzz gimme some names. .
RAP_b**tard {ed's note - I expect a left winger and central midfielder myself, not so sure a goalie will be bought, not if Lindegaard continues to impress anyway. Not sure who on the left but if the rumours regarding Everton are true, it must increase the possibility of Rodwell being the central midfielder.}
03 Feb 2011 14:11:18
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500m it sounds huge but in reality it's not quite as bad as it appears, obviously no debt would be better but it's a comfortably repayable debt. Just a different view point, i'll be happy to hear wat you guys think.
Shappy
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dear Shappy ask your mum to save the money she spends on the nurse and the special bus that takes you to school and instead she sends it to Very Messi for his buy United fund. Once he has bought the club he will give you a job in the office licking stamps and emptying the bins as long as you promise not to touch anything sharp. RAINFISHTROMBONE
03 Feb 2011 13:46:51
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In reply to;
Finally there was some talk of kagawa in the last window but I haven't seen much of him for dortmund or japan so would be intrigued as to whether people think he would be a quality addition.
Fantastic little player, he's going to be a star. He can play deep lying and advanced playmaker equally well. Would prefer him to henderson to be honest but would prefer Modric overall.
United Till I Die 1987
03 Feb 2011 13:41:02
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Editor - papers are reporting that Chavski are planning another 70m spend in the summer, how can that be possible? without buying anyone they would lose around 40m a year so how can they go out and spend even more money when they simply cannot afford to? {ed's note - I can't see how they can either, unless they are prepared to take an initial slap on the wrists in 3 years' time in the hope of having built a team to win the Champions League in the meantime? Or it could just be paper talk.}
03 Feb 2011 12:52:39
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Can i just come at this whole debt thing from a new angle. In the best situation the club owes 500m in the worst case 700m the club has a turnover of just over 1bn. In normal man terms that's a debt of less than a years wages, which means everyone with a mortage is in more debt than man utd. Also everyone with a higher figure of debt than they earn in a year is also in more debt than man utd. I think it just puts it into a real terms perspective, cus if you say 500m it sounds huge but in reality it's not quite as bad as it appears, obviously no debt would be better but it's a comfortably repayable debt. Just a different view point, i'll be happy to hear wat you guys think.
Shappy
03 Feb 2011 12:15:24
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More bad news rainfish
03 Feb 2011 11:52:31
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It now comes to attention that the Glazers have now set up Red Football LLC a new company in Delaware, the most secretive of all US states when it comes to corporations. The company, which through a string of four UK subsidiaries now owns 100% of Manchester United was formed on 4th November 2010, just under three weeks before the PIKs were repaid.
A 2009 report by the Tax Justice Network named Delaware, home to half of all US corporations, as the most secretive financial location in the world (beating strong competition from the Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands etc). It is virtually impossible to get information on Delaware companies and it is almost as if the Glazers are trying to keep information about the PIK repayment secret. We don't know who the directors of Red Football LLC are, who its shareholders are or how it obtained the £249.1m.
This matters because there are really only two explanations for the repayment of the PIKs; either the Glazers have found some sort of equity to repay them (even though nobody can identify where that could have come from) or Red Football LLC has borrowed the money to repay the debt and the threat of the club's cash being used to service this new debt is still there. If it's the former then United are in a strong financial position despite the wasted £45m spent annually on bond interest. If it's the latter then the there is a high chance of the Glazers taking the £100m+ (and rising) of dividends to which they are "entitled" at some point in the future.
Naturally, we can't ask the Glazers anything about this as they won't talk to the fans and their employees in M16 don't appear to know. RAINFISHTROMBONE
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03 Feb 2011 11:16:06
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03 Feb 2011 01:37:55
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New "ED" required on the Man Utd Rumours page - please apply within. .
Clearly a scouser!
Sorry chap the Editor maybe deluded, but there is more than one editor on here and we shouldn't have a problem with their opinions because they could of course just not post anyones opinion that they disagree with.
But on the other hand Ed really Rob Jones better than Neville not imo a good player but longevity makes the difference, he's certainly been the best RB since premier leagues inception
Pardoe {ed's note - I wasn't saying Rob Jones was better overall, was saying that as a player he was better, not that he had a better career.}
03 Feb 2011 11:09:30
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A couple of points to start the day off with. Some clown has come on the site saying we should sack the ed. you idiot he started this site and gives you the opportunity to express your pointless opnions. If you don't like it don't use the site, simple. Next some unnamed poster has accused me of being a scouser (that will make the ed laugh after the grief i have given them on their site) because I questioned the statement that Gary Neville was a legend. I go to a lot of away games and anybody else who travels away with the hard core United fans will know that Mr Neville is not that poplular amongst supporters but maybe his pro Glazer comments didn't help. Or maybe just maybe I was watching United before the Premiership began and I have seen some real legends. That doesn't take away what a good right back he was. Finaly a message for Sydney who is in great danger of losing his job when Very Messi takes over the club. The main reason for Fergie buying Bebe was that the majority of the transfer fee went to agents who took their commision then placed it in off shore bank accounts for certain managers and their ex Portugese assistants to access. That is shocking, how could I suggest such a thing. Maybe if Fergie had answered the 75 questions that the Irish put in front of him instead of running scared and backing down on the Rock of Gibraltar then we might have a clearer picture. That gives you lot something to think about and come back at me. One more thing how much is in the fund now to buy the club? RAINFISHTROMBONE
03 Feb 2011 11:02:55
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Ha ha ed, you get so wound up fella, your trying to tell me how much we have to spend or how it will effect our profits come the fair play rules, you have no clue about our finances as since the glazers paid off the piks they have moved mufc as a company to a new company in Delaware.according to UK regulatory filings lodged with Companies House the new Delaware company, Red Football LLC, now owns 100 per cent of the shares in the club's UK parent company Red Football Shareholder Limited (RFSL).
RFSL was the vehicle by which the PIKs were paid off, but is now hidden behind the new structure in Delaware.so you ed you blathering bs spreader have no clue about our finances as they have been hidden since november fool.
Ste73 {ed's note - that makes no difference as no accounts for that period have been done anyway. You only blathering person here is you, you seem to have missed that it makes absolutely no difference where the company that owns a football club is based - UEFA laws now dictate open finances. Another requisite of the financial fair play ruling that seems to have passed you by. But I am not surprised as you have never even understood the simple point I am making - if the club spends more than it earns it counts as a loss. Perhaps it is a little difficult to understand for you but it is a simple point, they are not going to go out and splash all that cash in the bank over and above what they bring in. If you can't understand that still, I would suggest you find a 5 year old to explain it to you.}
03 Feb 2011 10:50:46
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Rob Jones. . .Jesus wept {ed's note - he was the only player who I have ever seen mark Giggs out of a match, I can't remember a single other player ever doing that to Giggs.}
I rememeber Gary Kelly marking Giggs very wll at OT on at least one occassion. {ed's note - did he? I never saw that, Kelly was a damn good player though as well.}
03 Feb 2011 10:10:55
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Apparently the glazers have shifted the ownership of Manchester United into a company in Delaware. Anybody who knows how this state is, must say one thing now. Good Bye to the hopes of knowing where the money for the PIKs came from.
The most important thing is that in Delaware, you are not required to reveal who the directors or shareholders are. So there could be easily the Qatari sheikh sitting there without anybody of us knowing.
I am slowly but surely, leaning towards the starting of the sale process theory. There could just be light at the end of the tunnel, or it could also be the exact opposite as well.
REDFAITH
03 Feb 2011 08:29:27
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Hang on ed let me get this straight if at the start of a financial year i have £30 thousand in savings and through out the year i earn a further £30 thousand then if i spend £40 grand then i've made a loss and am £10 grand in debt then? The money in the bank is what the club has earnt so is the clubs money and the clubs asset so the club is free to spend it as is wishes without falling foul of the new fair play rules. The new rules mean over a 3 year period you can't spend more than you earn and were expected to make a conservitive 20-30m profit this year with the assets we already own plus the money raised by player sales we should comfortably be able to out spend anyone this summer if we wish, i still very much doubt we will though. Also once the rules are fully in place we will be the most profitable team in the world even after servicing our debt so we will be the team who can out spend everyone. Gill may have his faults but he's got us very well prepared for the new rules. Long live united.
Shappy {ed's note - yes you would make a 10k loss if you spend 10k more than you bring in. You are in a very strong position with the new rules coming in, there will be absolutely no problems making them as you are.}
03 Feb 2011 01:37:55
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New "ED" required on the Man Utd Rumours page - please apply within. .
Clearly a scouser!
On a side note, Michael Owen is close to signing a one year contract extension.
YSB {ed's note - if you don't like it, no one makes you come here!}
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fair comment, but it used to be a fairly positive site & a good read, shame really. .
If you are not a United fan (which I assume you are not, as if anyone called me a scouser, I would certainly deny it at the very least) then you really must be short of something to do. {ed's note - I have always edited the site, after all I created the damn thing to start with!}
03 Feb 2011 01:22:03
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New "ED" required on the Man Utd Rumours page - please apply within. .
Clearly a scouser!
On a side note, Michael Owen is close to signing a one year contract extension.
YSB {ed's note - if you don't like it, no one makes you come here!}
03 Feb 2011 01:13:09
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Ste73 {ed's note - when did I say you wouldn't compete? Are you simple or something? I said you can't spend that huge wad of cash in the bank everyone keeps going on about.}
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Am I not right in thinking the new ffp rules first season review on finances is 12/ 13?
If so whats stopping the wads of cash being used this summer?
Jono! {ed's note - because they are judged over the previous 3 year's finances, starting from this coming transfer window.}
03 Feb 2011 00:53:34
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Neville was a legend. pretty annoyed that he left just after a silent transfer window. bit of a waste of a squad number imo
03 Feb 2011 00:36:17
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Rob jones-this ed is definately a scouser, rob jones was a very forgetable player, to say he was a better player than nev is a bit more ridiculous than some of your other anti-utd comments ed. {ed's note - clearly you never saw him play, he was absolutely top class, apart from his scoring and the best right back I have ever seen. As for anti-United comments, could you show me them? You clearly have no clue of anything I have talked about regarding why you CAN'T spend the money you have in the bank. Do you understand how the financial fair play ruling will work? And do you know that if you spend some of that money in the bank it would come out as a loss from the business? So you can't just go and splash it willy nilly, otherwise you will fall foul of the ruling. Instead of crying about bias why don't you try and learn something about football and discuss things with a basic knowledge and understanding?}
03 Feb 2011 00:34:34
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I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with the exact figure of how much we've got to spend. We have to take David Gill at his word when he says we can compete at the top end of the market still as we will never know ourselves the true finances of the club and the potential transfer budget. On the whole I'm happy with how the club operates in the transfer market signing players who don't cost the earth and without sparking a bidding war or being done over in negociations with other big clubs like chelsea were with torres and liverpool with carrol. Hernandez was bought under the radar last season for just 7 million and has gone on to score 10 goals already this season in all competitions. He looks even better value now in comparison to the ridiculous fee for torres who currently is out of form. Granted bebe did seem an odd signing but fergie may be able to develop his raw talent into a player worth 3 times his 7 million transfer fee as he acclimatises as just a squad player, I recognise this is a big 'may' but it is still a relatively low risk transfer compared to some of the sums thrown about in the last wndow.
Separately I do think United need to strenghten the midfield with a creative midfielder in the summer, Henderson does seem to be the preferred option but Bruce's comment the other day that all the big teams have been asked to be kept informed about him is worrying. A classic name on this site is Alexis Sanchez but I do really think in the wide areas he could add something different and really give us 2 good options on either wing (Park Valencia Nani Sanchez). Finally there was some talk of kagawa in the last window but I haven't seen much of him for dortmund or japan so would be intrigued as to whether people think he would be a quality addition.
Viva Hernandez!