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03 Nov 2010 22:13:31
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There are always players linked with a huge money transfer to Old Trafford. Although some of them are true.
Iker Muniain - Athletic Bilbao
Possible January Transfer: £15 million.
Cristian Erikson - Ajax FC
Possible January Transfer: £15 million.
Steven Defour- Standard Liege
Possible January Transfer: £18 million
@Soz mate but Defour is valued between 8-12m, you are way off with the 18m valuation.
03 Nov 2010 22:04:31
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United forever - i agree in parts mate. i rate fabio as a decent cover for evra and also we have oshea that can do a job there. midfield is defo the key area. Pretty sure carrick and parks days are numbered. i think cleverly will get a crack of the whip when he comes back. diouf will go, as will owen and i totally agree about berba. theres a few rumours doing the rounds but i think this will be the team next year.
gk - de gea
lb - evra
rb - rafa
cb - vidic
cb - rio/ evans
dm - fletcher
dm - defour
lw - nani
rw - valencia
am - modric
st - wazza
alot will dpend on rio s fitness.
As for bale, dzeko etc, we all know the days of 25mill plus players are over for us for a few years. the glazers couldnt beleive their luck with the 80mill they got for ronaldo. i personally think they are giving it back to s.a.f over 3 years so they don't have to divert funds from anywhere else.
but keep the faith! S.A.F is the best manager in the buisness. he knows what hes doin and lets face it, he has a plan that we couldnt even dream of guessing!
jamesmack8
Modric is most definately a 25million pound player considering we payed 16mill for him and now into his third premier league season and is now hitting top form. Utd should go for Hamsik although the way todays market is going he'll probably be 25mill plus too. Take a risk on charlie adam or Graham Dorrans, although they are long way away from marquee signings.
03 Nov 2010 20:38:32
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There are always players linked with a huge money transfer to Old Trafford. Although some of them are true.
Iker Muniain - Athletic Bilbao
Possible January Transfer: £15 million.
Cristian Erikson - Ajax FC
Possible January Transfer: £15 million.
Steven Defour- Standard Liege
Possible January Transfer: £18 million.
03 Nov 2010 19:12:23
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Better I leave the rest to be explained by one of the posters here, I only know the rumours about the gun and drugs crowd he is involved with. As for the dirty laundry, let's just say Fergie is not exactly clean in his dealings with agents
This so called happened a while ago anyway so whats the big deal now.Nobody mentioned when a similar thing happened with Joe Baxter at Everton? . Dont compare any at utd to Wilshire. He will be as good as anything youve known(i promise). a player of yours who nobody seems to be shouting about is Diouf at Blackburn. He has been outstanding in the games ive seen. .Unfortunately sometimes the younger kids just don't think, look at Pennant when he was 16 , unfortunately he knew best. Look at Gazza now Poor lad should av signed for the scum (what a waste). SMF
03 Nov 2010 19:03:39
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Where's the Seagull at with all these rumours floating round? Surely hes got some news for us on the transfers.
Sanshine
03 Nov 2010 18:49:52
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I think that the performances of the Uniteds youngsters have show Rooney how wrong he is to make the comments he made. I wound be quite happy for Utd to sell him. Let the bidding start. . ! If anybody offers £50 million we should snatch their hand off. .!
03 Nov 2010 16:18:37
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In the summer I had said were looking at some players namely: pato, sanchez, bale, gourcuff
PATO I said will be swapped for berbaflop n given 10m on top which milan did.not acceptthey wanted atleast 20m plus berba
SANCHEZ. was bieng.looked.at an had to see if he continued his good form, and he has and united have opened talks with udinese for him
BALE: same as sanchez
GOURCUFF: deal fell through because Bordeaux wanted more cash, and paper in recent times have associated him with us, and we might go for him again
hammond
{Editor's note - I know the Fergie has inquired about Sanchez, but do you not think Bale will be out of our price range}
03 Nov 2010 15:28:27
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"4. There is a blogger called swissrambler who writes very neutrally about football finances and is a wily old fox and he has explained the UEFA financial rules very well and how it will affect certain clubs and how they will be countered by the clubs. He also explained the bond prospectus well so i suggest it is a must read for anybody discussing football finance. I personally have liked his blogs."
Completely agree. I've read Swiss Rambler's blogs and they're well written and (given the subject matter) pretty easy to understand. The recent United post is at:
swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/10/united-we-stand-divided-we-fall.html
None of that changes my views. I think the issue here is that, broadly, we agree on the facts of the situation. It's just the motives / actions of those involved that we disagree on and this leads to a different interpretation of where the club's heading.
Anyway, I'd agree it's a recommended read for anybody interested in the situation.
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03 Nov 2010 15:07:04
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In reply to DarkLard08:-
1. I was talking about the price of 1.5 bn including the 500mil bond. The glazers will pay off the PIKs from any money from the sale and will take around 500-700mil home i think.
2. MUFC is a great investment for anyone even at that price isn't it? You compared the price of LFC being lower than what it is quoted by forbes etc. but i think there are reasons for that. Firstly the yanks were forced to sell at that price, secondly anfield for LFC has great history etc. but is practically a worthless asset (not completely but partially), there is a lot of investment needed at that club to get it to be competitive making its success very unsure and it will take time even after significant investment for the club to settle.
3. Whereas at united when anybody invests what practically is the investor or group needed to do after that? 100mil operational profits, a 76000 seater OT, a very competitive squad which with probably one or two buys will be world class and even without it is easily a top team, a great youth setup, brilliant overseas marketing. It is practically the most guarenteed to succeed investment in football. So i think the price is justified.
4. There is a blogger called swissrambler who writes very neutrally about football finances and is a wily old fox and he has explained the UEFA financial rules very well and how it will affect certain clubs and how they will be countered by the clubs. He also explained the bond prospectus well so i suggest it is a must read for anybody discussing football finance. I personally have liked his blogs.(this isn't an advertise but a general suggestion so please do not mod this ed.) {ed's note - I was going to ask you for a link actually mate, but leave off the http:// bit, posts without in them are filtered out to stop spam.}
03 Nov 2010 13:54:37
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{ed's note - I think you are being harsh on the Irish, it was Fergie's greed that caused them to sell to the Glazers, not their greed.}
can you elaborate on fergies greed prior to the takeover? {ed's note - I am sure Rainfish could tell the story much better, but just remember the Rock of Gibraltar and the battle over ownership. The Irish were friends of his prior to that and he was the one that got them to buy shares in the club.}
03 Nov 2010 13:49:37
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{ed's note - that's exactly how I see it, that was what I was trying to explain with the Campbell comparison. They both had the ability to make it but the wrong attitude, I think Macheda is another one that is also in need of being brought back to earth with a bump.}
*Oh macheda has been woeful more or less since his first 3 appearances. Now I know he is only 19 aswell but what concerns me is that he doesn't even seem to show any attributes. He shows no real pace or awareness and you can't even say that if you give him a chance in the box he will finish it. I worry when SAF keeps bleeting on about these guys being the future as that seems to make them put their slippers on, light up a pipe and say "well that's me sorted then". I can't wait for some of the real youth lads to be given a crack. . particularly Keane and more so Pogba. He seems to have a winning/battling mentality already.
03 Nov 2010 13:29:11
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Ed's note - we will have to agree to disagree (on welbeck) then, I have seen him for the U21s as well and he was awful, mind the U21s are not particularly impressive to watch under Pearce. The England U17s are excellent, but as you go through the age groups they seem to get worse and the style of play more stilted and less flowing.}
*Different poster here and I have to side with the ed. Welbeck isn't the future for united. He made his debut at 17 and has stagnated since then. He has been given plenty of chances and didn't take them. I think its more to do with his attitude than potential ability. He seems to think he has already made it. This may sound harsh but i see him as a top top championship player. He would get goals for fun down there but even in a good premier league team he would struggle to get 10 goals a season. Maybe is attitude is to do with the fact that hes very aware hes still a United player. Perhaps if the club sold him then he would begin to realise hes going to have to start putting a shift in. {ed's note - that's exactly how I see it, that was what I was trying to explain with the Campbell comparison. They both had the ability to make it but the wrong attitude, I think Macheda is another one that is also in need of being brought back to earth with a bump.}
03 Nov 2010 13:27:16
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03 Nov 2010 11:03:06
@Editor is it fair to say that the United youngsters are starting to make their mark? Obertan & Bebe are looking very good prospects and are 21 & 20 respectively. Hernandez not long turned 22 and has already made his mark, the Da Silva twins are both looking good, Welbeck is looking very good at Sunderland and Cleverley is going to be a great player. Smalling is getting better by the game.
If we are honest we would not have seen such an impact by these players if Rooney, Giggs & Valencia were not injured. With Pogba, Cofie, Morrison?, Keane, Van Velzen, Fornasier, Brady, Massacci looking frightening in the U18s United have a very good future ahead. United just need Macheda & Anderson to step up then we will have the full set.
Is there any of these players you would love to pinch for your team Editor? {ed's note - certainly not Welbeck, who has been distinctly average for Sunderland, I really do not see why people keep talking about him. He will be like Frazier Campbell, sold on and will do nothing afterwards in my opinion. Pogba, Morrison and Keane are the ones I would be interested in, Hernandez I don't feel can be counted as youth at 22, by then they should be fairly well established (which he is) as a first team player. I probably wouldn't touch Morrison either, too much of a gamble with his off-field issues for me.}
* I think you have missed one of our best young players here Eikrem
03 Nov 2010 13:08:47
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Stuey I apologise for calling you a simpleton when you are quite obviously not one. My anger is with the Glazers and should not have been directed at you. Someone criticised me for having a go at David Gill. I ask them to look at Gill's comments about debt before the Glazers took over and then those after they doubled his wage. Scandleous! I accept that we all support one club and want the best for it, but I will not be one of those people who just stood by and let us get raped by some American in-breds! RAINFISHTROMBONE
I am aware of David Gill's comments before the takeover and he was right debt is no good for a football club and he was right it has crippled the club, he has not changed his mind and now thinks the debt is the right way to go, he has merely took it on the chin as the leveraged buyout was imminent, what would you prefer someone at the club who cares about the club or some Yank as the director?
Its not an ideal situation by any means but i would rather David Gill & Sir Alex in charge than some Yank baseball fan & another manager in charge. What you have to realise is gill could not have stopped the takeover, only the Premier League could have stopped it or them greedy Irish fellas. All Gill could have done is resigned and he would have been replaced within the week or he has stayed to make sure things are running smoothly, well at least as smoothly as he can make it.
I am with you in regards to the Glazers mind, but i am realistic and the only thing that will get damaged by these strikes and marches is the team. If there was a rich China man waiting with 1.4bn in his back pocket then it maybe worth all of the demonstrations but with no one there to buy us, we are fighting a losing battle.
Not just that, who ever bought us would probably have to use a leveraged buyout to do it, so we could end up being 1.4bn in debt rather than 521.7m in debt and we could go bust to some bank in China. The Red Knights would not have made no difference we still would have been left with the Bonds paying 40m a year in interest. Its a shocking position but in the meantime we are stable or at least we will be come 2012 when the new regulations kick in. {ed's note - I think you are being harsh on the Irish, it was Fergie's greed that caused them to sell to the Glazers, not their greed.}
03 Nov 2010 12:49:33
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Heard united are after standard liege duo defour and axel witsel worth 20 million for the two for them
03 Nov 2010 12:44:43
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Stuey I apologise for calling you a simpleton when you are quite obviously not one. My anger is with the Glazers and should not have been directed at you. Someone criticised me for having a go at David Gill. I ask them to look at Gill's comments about debt before the Glazers took over and then those after they doubled his wage. Scandleous! I accept that we all support one club and want the best for it, but I will not be one of those people who just stood by and let us get raped by some American in-breds! RAINFISHTROMBONE
03 Nov 2010 12:42:32
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"@Sanchez & Valencia are completely different players, Valencia is tall, strong and very good defensively, he likes balls played over the defenders head into space which he can run on to, he is a pin point crosser but can only play on the right wing. Sanchez is small, fast and all attack, he can beat players one on one, he cuts inside rather than crosses it, he can also play on the left wing and in the centre, he can also play as a striker. United would line up like this if my three players were purchased.
_ _ _ _De Gea
Rafa_ Ferd_ Vidic_ Evra
Toni_Fletch_Defour_Nani
_ _ _Sanchez
_ _ _ _ _ Rooney
Sydney!"
What i think sydney! is that sanchez is a much better winger and will be wasted in the center. He can play there but we can play players for that position who are much more suited to it and who can attack the box with late runs into it and sanchez just does not look like the one (for me). I think nani is much more suited to playing behind rooney and can play those one twos very well and has a great shot too. And we can have obertan on the left and all three of valencia, nani, obertan can switch and swap and with rafael and evra bombing down the wings it will be a hell of a chaos in the opposition defense. I think we can afford to give nani the sort of free roam role we gave ronaldo if we have defour and fletcher and once they keep the ball consistently which they can it will be very good. I think it will diversify our attack perfectly with valencia's pin point crosses, obertan's trickery, nani's overall ability and rooney's heading and linkup play, and with evra and rafael it looks very promising. But if sanchez can do what nani does and improve his shooting a bit and i have never seen him play one twos to be sure he can to do that but if he does then we can certainly have the system you said but only in europe and big games i think. For the games against lesser teams i would prefer a chicharito rooney partnership and sacrifice one of valencia or sanchez.
03 Nov 2010 12:18:42
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@ sydney! It is my personal opinion that sanchez is too similar in style to valencia but having him will be good but i don't think it is necessary. I even think alfellay is a possibility. Agree about wenger completely. I would love de gea but neur is equals for me. I would want lindergaard regardless of if we sign any of those 2 or not as kuskjack will leave. We certainly will look a more potent attacking unit.
@Sanchez & Valencia are completely different players, Valencia is tall, strong and very good defensively, he likes balls played over the defenders head into space which he can run on to, he is a pin point crosser but can only play on the right wing. Sanchez is small, fast and all attack, he can beat players one on one, he cuts inside rather than crosses it, he can also play on the left wing and in the centre, he can also play as a striker. United would line up like this if my three players were purchased.
_ _ _ _De Gea
Rafa_ Ferd_ Vidic_ Evra
Toni_Fletch_Defour_Nani
_ _ _Sanchez
_ _ _ _ _ Rooney
Sydney!
03 Nov 2010 12:17:24
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Too all utd fans that believe rooney will be here next season, im sorry but ur wrong as much as i'd like him there. I have a feeling he has signed contract to keep his value up. I personally can see him going to real for bout 25-30 mil plus benzema coming to old trafford.
And yes maybe sanchez will be there next season which means antonio valencia is on his way to being a bench warmer. Which i personally see as a plus valencia has 2 upsides he is strong and quick that's it.
I personally think nani could be better that ronny. a bold statement but i believe to be true. Granted he won't score 20-30 goals a season he will probably get 10 ish but he will set up most of the other goals utd will score.
And then there is yohan gourcuff! i personally think the bloke is a genius he can cross, shot, tackle and most importantly give 110% he surely must know u can only go so far playing for lyon. . . this bloke would solve the paul scholes issue
ed ur thoughts?
Manutd4life {ed's note - I am not sure on Rooney leaving, I don't see anyone paying the money he would cost to buy, especially not in the form he has been in. I do agree on Sanchez, far better player than Valencia, who is limited but does a good job for you. I can see what you are saying about Nani, he is a better team player than Ronaldo, not convinced he will ever be a better player as such though. As for Gourcuff, I am not sure on him, I have not seen enough of him to be convinced one way or the other.}
03 Nov 2010 12:01:36
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{ed's note - certainly not Welbeck, who has been distinctly average for Sunderland, I really do not see why people keep talking about him. He will be like Frazier Campbell, sold on and will do nothing afterwards in my opinion. Pogba, Morrison and Keane are the ones I would be interested in, Hernandez I don't feel can be counted as youth at 22, by then they should be fairly well established (which he is) as a first team player. I probably wouldn't touch Morrison either, too much of a gamble with his off-field issues for me.}
@Totally disagree about Welbeck, the boy is just 19 years old, he is England U21's first choice striker ahead of Sturridge & Delfoenso. Welbeck has been playing out on the wing for Sunderland so do not judge him on his goalscoring. As for his performances i have to disagree, he plays for Sunderland in every one of their games out of position and he does the job very well. He is already a much better player than Frazier Campbell ever was. And he has two more years to prove himself at United. {ed's note - we will have to agree to disagree then, I have seen him for the U21s as well and he was awful, mind the U21s are not particularly impressive to watch under Pearce. The England U17s are excellent, but as you go through the age groups they seem to get worse and the style of play more stilted and less flowing.}
03 Nov 2010 11:51:06
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"@I agree, Defour is a top quality player, clowns on this site have the theory that just because Real Madrid, Barcelona or City are not trying to buy them they must be cr@p, well none of those teams tried to buy Hernandez, none of them tried to sign Vidic, Evra, Solskjaer, Keane etc and they turned out to be world class players. Before his injury Defour was being watched by Real Madrid, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton & Villa and us. Real Madrid have Khedira, Gago & Ozil in the middle so will not need him, he has become to high profile for Arsenal to buy, Wenger would not be able to claim he found a star, we all know that's how he gets his rocks off.
Sanchez is a must, if we bought Sanchez then United would be a fearsome unit of attacking players. Valencia, Rooney, Nani & Sanchez breaking forward at immense speed with Defour and Fletcher sitting back and protecting the back four with Rafael & Evra supporting the attack from the wings if needed.
De Gea is a carbon copy of Van Der Sar but 20 years younger so he would be a top signing.
Sydney!"
@ sydney! It is my personal opinion that sanchez is too similar in style to valencia but having him will be good but i don't think it is necessary. I even think alfellay is a possibility. Agree about wenger completely. I would love de gea but neur is equals for me. I would want lindergaard regardless of if we sign any of those 2 or not as kuskjack will leave. We certainly will look a more potent attacking unit.
P.S- It would be a dream to get schweinsteiger in a deal involving berbatov. A dream not realistic of course. I like berbatov but he somehow doesn't click regularly for united and we may well become virtually unbeatable with schweinsteiger on board but i think he is just trying to get a new mega contract like sneijder did and i hate players who use united's name to get better deals at their clubs so if it turns out like that then i will not want him to sign again in the future even for free. there is a little hope since we managed to take hargreaves from them after a long bloody battle!
03 Nov 2010 11:36:58
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@sydney! Do you think we will sign sanchez, de gea and defour in january? I think any of them will e signed in jan only if other clubs sniff around for them, the most possible is defour. I am also not getting why people think defour is just cheap option and nothing else. You just have to look at what awards he has won in that league to speak for themselves. I have watched two of his matches myself and for a player of that age he looks a deserved captain and does something like a roy keane job there by just powering them to wins by his sheer desire to win. Ok it is not the best league in the world but it is certainly competitive and he has been easily the best player in that league for about 3 or 4 years now and has also won the league's best player award.
What is your opinion ed? {ed's note - I don't think Fergie would have invested so much time and effort into a cheap option, he is obviously a quality player.}
@I agree, Defour is a top quality player, clowns on this site have the theory that just because Real Madrid, Barcelona or City are not trying to buy them they must be cr@p, well none of those teams tried to buy Hernandez, none of them tried to sign Vidic, Evra, Solskjaer, Keane etc and they turned out to be world class players. Before his injury Defour was being watched by Real Madrid, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton & Villa and us. Real Madrid have Khedira, Gago & Ozil in the middle so will not need him, he has become to high profile for Arsenal to buy, Wenger would not be able to claim he found a star, we all know that's how he gets his rocks off.
Sanchez is a must, if we bought Sanchez then United would be a fearsome unit of attacking players. Valencia, Rooney, Nani & Sanchez breaking forward at immense speed with Defour and Fletcher sitting back and protecting the back four with Rafael & Evra supporting the attack from the wings if needed.
De Gea is a carbon copy of Van Der Sar but 20 years younger so he would be a top signing.
Sydney!
03 Nov 2010 11:21:41
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If i'm honest and we sign Sanchez, De Gea and Defour withnin the next year i will be delighted and may even convince myself the Glazers have whats best for the club at heart. Anyone else agree with me? Ed?
Stuey. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well Stuey if I am honest you seem like a simpleton that doesn'r realise that with what the Glazers have taken out of the club since they took over we could have bought all the players named above plus Messi Kaka and any other player you can think of. Even if we do end up buying some average players in the summer, it all goes onto an ever increasing debt that has to be addressed. There is one person who has done well out of the Glazers and that is David Gill who has doubled his wage to 2 million since they took over not bad for just saying "Don't Panic". Get involved Stuey instead of thinking of ways to like the Glazers think of ways to get rid of them. RAINFISHTROMBONE
~You are proper obsessed with David Gill, he gets paid a yearly salary of 1.9m, Ivan Gazidas gets 1.7m, Garry Cook gets 1.5m, Rick Parry was on 1.2m.
Does it really shock you that the highest paid director in the Premiership is the director of the biggest football club in the world? Both Real Madrid's and Barcelona's directors get paid more than David Gill.
Oh and before you gob off back i am not a fan of the Glazers but i do believe David Gill is doing the best he can at keeping United safe. And if United do buy a few decent players in the summer than that proves that both Sir Alex and gill was telling the truth all along and there was money to spend.
03 Nov 2010 11:18:32
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Get involved Stuey instead of thinking of ways to like the Glazers think of ways to get rid of them. RAINFISHTROMBONE
Firstly, I really don't see how putting increased pressure on the Glazers is going to help the football club at all. They are not going to sell up until they've got a fair bit of their money back, this is typical of American sports ventures. But my my main qualm about people like RAINFISHTROMBONE is their 'holier than thou' attitude. Why are you right and other people are wrong? There is no right way to think and even if there is, who are you to tell people it?
Actually to my main point, Rafael is constantly improving and the pulling of people is not just a trait of him, all defenders do it every weekend. Carvalho was the absolute master of it and got away with it for years. Also Rafael has been called up to the national team has he not? this can only benifit us from not only is he gettin more game time here, but international experience at 20 years old. I can only see him improving. Both brothers also look like they are bulking up a bit and look a bit leaner.
Sanshine
03 Nov 2010 11:15:26
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RAINFISH
Simpleton, nice. . . i don't think insults are necessary do you? Although having a look at your previous posts you dish them out regularly so maybe i should feel privileged? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yours is to try to remove the Glazers and fair enough if that's what you believe would be best. I, on the otherhand, have realised any anti-Glazer demonstrations are fruitless at best and feel a more suitable and realisitc way of supporting my beloved club is to accept that the Galzers are going nowhere and get behind the team, SAF and D Gill and believe that they will steer this club forward. In order to do that i believe Sanchez, Defour and De Gea over the next year would certainly help and are realistic targets rarher than the likes of Bale, Sneijder, Kaka and Schweinsteiger.
Like i said that's just my opinion and you are entitled to yours. We are all behind the same team
Stuey
03 Nov 2010 11:01:35
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@sydney! Do you think we will sign sanchez, de gea and defour in january? I think any of them will e signed in jan only if other clubs sniff around for them, the most possible is defour. I am also not getting why people think defour is just cheap option and nothing else. You just have to look at what awards he has won in that league to speak for themselves. I have watched two of his matches myself and for a player of that age he looks a deserved captain and does something like a roy keane job there by just powering them to wins by his sheer desire to win. Ok it is not the best league in the world but it is certainly competitive and he has been easily the best player in that league for about 3 or 4 years now and has also won the league's best player award.
What is your opinion ed? {ed's note - I don't think Fergie would have invested so much time and effort into a cheap option, he is obviously a quality player.}
03 Nov 2010 10:54:40
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If i'm honest and we sign Sanchez, De Gea and Defour withnin the next year i will be delighted and may even convince myself the Glazers have whats best for the club at heart. Anyone else agree with me? Ed?
Stuey. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well Stuey if I am honest you seem like a simpleton that doesn'r realise that with what the Glazers have taken out of the club since they took over we could have bought all the players named above plus Messi Kaka and any other player you can think of. Even if we do end up buying some average players in the summer, it all goes onto an ever increasing debt that has to be addressed. There is one person who has done well out of the Glazers and that is David Gill who has doubled his wage to 2 million since they took over not bad for just saying "Don't Panic". Get involved Stuey instead of thinking of ways to like the Glazers think of ways to get rid of them. RAINFISHTROMBONE
03 Nov 2010 10:32:40
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Fed up with the talk of Sanchez , Defour etc- do we really need a player that can transform into another position ie the talk of Sanchez moving from the wing (where we do not need any more wingers anyway, into a central midfield role) and please theres got to be a better midfielder than Defour- would we really be talking about him if he wasnt a cheaper option than a class act like Modric? Still think we need a quality 20 goal plus striker as in Suarez or Dzeko- and if the rumours are really to believed and we are watching god knows how many goalkeepers- why doesn't one stand out like they used to with Schmeical , Van Der Sar etc? Or is Fergie already readying a bid on someone no-one knows about? ?
@What are you talking about, Sanchez can play equally as good in the centre as he can on the wings. The reason why we are talking about Defour, De Gea and Sanchez is because United have been trailing Defour for years, before his injury, scouts have been and watched him on numerous occasions and Fergie sent him a get well letter personally written by himself. De Gea has been watched personally by Fergie & Eric Steele, do you remember when he missed the Sc* thorpe game?
Sanchez's agent has confirmed that he has spoken to Manchester United and Fergie openly admitted a few weeks ago that he has done background checks on the player.
So the reason these players are being mentioned is because they are hot favourites to sign for United, what would you prefer? Start writing down false rumours like Scweinsteiger to United or Benzema to United or Bale to United? No, people who are not dreamers tend to lean towards the evidence and whether you like it or not, United are looking at De Gea, Sanchez & Defour.
It doesn't mean they will be signed but they are certainly favourites. Is that fair Editor?
Sydney! {ed's note - I think so mate, I don't see the point in just making up names to link the club with myself.}
03 Nov 2010 09:26:30
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If i'm honest and we sign Sanchez, De Gea and Defour withnin the next year i will be delighted and may even convince myself the Glazers have whats best for the club at heart. Anyone else agree with me? Ed?
Stuey
{Editor's NOte: Excellent and realistic buys.}
03 Nov 2010 02:08:20
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"{ed's note - wouldn't you still need a centre back? Only Rio can barely play half the games, Evans is clearly not good enough, so that only leaves Smalling really. Or would you be happy with that? By the way, I still remain to be convinced on Rafael, he is still prone to grabbing players and that will cost you, but I don't see why you can't shift Fabio to the right anyway.}"
Ed, you only have to look at Bale's contributions at OT and last night to see just how good Rafael is. Granted he shows his inexperience by pulling people back a lot, but he is only 20. A year of regular football without being held back by inexplicably having O'shea and Brown ahead of him WILL make him one of the best RB's in the world. Not a dig but Glen Johnson is equally average at defending, if not worse, yet people rate him England's best right-back by miles. {ed's note - I don't rate Johnson at all, I think Rafael is a better player than him already. You might be right about him just needing a bit of time and experience, he has all the attributes needed certainly.}
03 Nov 2010 00:36:02
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{ed's note - wouldn't you still need a centre back? Only Rio can barely play half the games, Evans is clearly not good enough, so that only leaves Smalling really. Or would you be happy with that? By the way, I still remain to be convinced on Rafael, he is still prone to grabbing players and that will cost you, but I don't see why you can't shift Fabio to the right anyway.}
@No fullbacks are perfect Ed, certainly not at 20 years old. He had bale in his pocket at the weekend and he has destroyed Maicon tonight. Evans has been poor this season agreed but last season you could count all of his mistakes on one hand, he was top quality, Rio was rested tonight and Smalling was a very adequate replacement, sure he needs to improve but at just 20 he has time. With Rio & Vidic as our main back, Evans & Smalling as back-up and Brown & O'Shea who can play there if needed i think we are fine in that department. United have some great kids coming through Fornasier, Tunnicliffe, Massacci, Wootton, Brown & Gill, its hard to see who will make it as they have not finished growing and improving but they are all looking decent. Wootton was stolen from your Academy as you probably know Ed? {ed's note - I was surprised you stole him, I was not all that impressed by him, I will be interested to see how he gets on though. I had completely forgotten about Brown, shame about his injuries, I think he is an excellent player. Surprised you said that about Evans though, I have always said that seeing his name in the team is a boost for the opposition because he just looks on the verge of messing up. He doesn't seem mentally right to me, he looks like he is on the verge of panicking every time he has to actually do anything.}
03 Nov 2010 00:20:52
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Just an interpretation of the Sanchez before everyone jumps on my back for this.
I personally believe if we are interested in Sanchez, we may deploy him in a more central role. He could be the attacking mid we want and need, failing that, a striker. I've talked to a few people about this and apparently it's the belief of some people in Chile he's currently being used on the wing purely for his pace and eventually will move into a more central role.
Just a thought. Also with the emergence of Bebe, Obertan and Cleverly set to comeback, I see no benefit from buying a winger as we are over stocked in that area. I would like to have more faith in the youth like Morrison than stifling their progress by buying in more competition.
With Defour seeming more of an inevitability than a rumour nowdays, I think a keeper is high priority and shelling out 18m for someone like De Gea seems like a great plan. Young, but with experience and would mean the position would be covered for years to come. Rumours also say we have been scouting Mehmet Ekici (spelling) currently on loan at Nurenburg from Bayern and Mario Gotze who plays at Dortmund. Both young Germans making an impact from the centre of the park. What you think?
Sanshine
@A good post Sanshine, funny you have mentioned De Gea, Sanchez & Defour as they are the three i would want United to sign. A team like this would be a great team for the future.
_ _ _ _ _De Gea
Rafa_ _Ferd_ _Vidic_ _Evra
_ _ _ Fletch_ Defour
Toni_ _ _Sanchez_ _ _Nani
_ _ _ _ _Rooney
Sydney!
03 Nov 2010 00:09:01
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EDITOR AFTER FERGIE ADMITTING CHECKING OUT SANCHEZ'S PRIVATE LIFE, DO YOU THINK UNITED ARE ON THE BRINK OF SIGNING HIM? {ed's note - I would say so, yes, if Fergie can get the money together.}
@Ed i also think a Macheda loan deal could clinch this deal, what do you think? {ed's note - I think that would be a plus for Udinese, but can United really afford to lose a striker? Isn't Owen leaving in the summer already?}
@Yes Owen will leave, i certainly hope so as i want the kids to get more opportunities, Macheda would not leave much of a void and he does need a run of games plus Sanchez can play as a striker although he would not be much good in the air LOL.
Sanchez, De Gea & Defour would cost around 45m, it a BIG question whether or not Fergie will be given them sort of funds but do you think that United would be complete then? With Rooney & Valencia returning and Rafael proving he is good enough to be our right back do you think United will be strong enough to compete for years to come? {ed's note - wouldn't you still need a centre back? Only Rio can barely play half the games, Evans is clearly not good enough, so that only leaves Smalling really. Or would you be happy with that? By the way, I still remain to be convinced on Rafael, he is still prone to grabbing players and that will cost you, but I don't see why you can't shift Fabio to the right anyway.}
03 Nov 2010 00:05:02
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Just an interpretation of the Sanchez before everyone jumps on my back for this.
I personally believe if we are interested in Sanchez, we may deploy him in a more central role. He could be the attacking mid we want and need, failing that, a striker. I've talked to a few people about this and apparently it's the belief of some people in Chile he's currently being used on the wing purely for his pace and eventually will move into a more central role.
Just a thought. Also with the emergence of Bebe, Obertan and Cleverly set to comeback, I see no benefit from buying a winger as we are over stocked in that area. I would like to have more faith in the youth like Morrison than stifling their progress by buying in more competition.
With Defour seeming more of an inevitability than a rumour nowdays, I think a keeper is high priority and shelling out 18m for someone like De Gea seems like a great plan. Young, but with experience and would mean the position would be covered for years to come. Rumours also say we have been scouting Mehmet Ekici (spelling) currently on loan at Nurenburg from Bayern and Mario Gotze who plays at Dortmund. Both young Germans making an impact from the centre of the park. What you think?
Sanshine