Manchester United Rumours Archive September 06 2011

06 Sep 2011 21:10:00
I'm a true Englishman but I think we should start a petition to get rid of THAT national anthem at footy, its nothing but a drone.... Lets get Land of hope and glory instead.... HERBIE

A 'true' Englishman would not even consider saying what youve said never mind publish it on an internet forum . Everything we are about as a nation eminates from the fact we have a monarchy , our history defines us as a nation .

Got to agree with herbie,it should be land of hope and glory

phil

How about Jerusalem?

To the first reply, my late grandfather may he rest in peace fought in the second world war for king and country, he was a true patriot, he also thought the national anthem was drab and should be replaced.... Does this mean he is not a true Englishman and patriot?? Call me whatever you want to but at least have the stones to leave a name.... HERBIE

HERBIE, i totally agree with you i think it is a really drab too! And every time it gets sung at the football, the crowd are always singing about 30 seconds ahead of the music, which makes it embarrasing! It would be Jerusalem for me every time!

Andy B

Im patrotic but am not a royalist so therefore dont want to sing about the queen

Last poster, same here I'm no royalist, Andy don't it just make you cringe listening to it at England matches.... HERBIE

House of Windsor are a German line anyway!
Monarchy has nothing to do with nationhood they are all just parasites wether they be arab princes or wax coat fox hunters.

Watt Tyler was worth a 1000 kings

"God save the queen" isn't even the English nation anthem

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06 Sep 2011 19:53:46
Morrison is arguably the most talented player this country has seen for a long time.
sydney
what, more talented than w rooney who i'm watching right now
jred

Yes

Walrus

Morrison's no where near Rooney in talent.... HERBIE

Walrus
so morrison is a more talented player player than rooney.
i meant Wayne Rooney the one who plays for man united is one off the best players in the world and was an england regular at morrison's age, which one did you mean
jred

'jred'

You know I meant youth player, and yes he is one of the most naturally gifted players I have seen since a young Rooney. I guess you should know that being a United fan.

Sydney!

Syd
what better than wilshire who's only a few months older
jred

Why isnt Morrison playing or progressing into the first team?

He is injured at the minute.
I also meant potential wise.

Walrus

Walrus
so you think that morrison is potential a better player than rooney
jred

'jred'

Wilshere is a year older than Ravel. Both are extremely talented, but completely different players. Wilshere is ahead of Morrison in development because he is older and because he has had the much needed PL experience after being rushed into the Arsenal team early, due to injuries to key midfielders. This basically fast-tracked his development. Morrison has also been slowed down by his off the field antics. Because Wilshere has already proved himself at senior level, he is ahead of Morrison, but if you compare Wilshere to Morrison when they were both in their final academy year, Morrison is a far more exciting prospect. If Morrison can overcome his problems and make the step up to senior level, then he could be talked about much more than Wilshere because he scores goals, lots of them. The one thing they do have in common is that they both seem to glide past players effortlessly.

Morrison is a very special talent, again you should know this being a United fan.

Sydney!

If Morrison is that talented why are you calling for the signing of Gotze/Kagawa all the time then Sydney? In a years time you cant fit Anderson, Cleverly, Pogba, Morrison, ROoney AND Gotze into the same side? And that is forgetting Tunnicliffe, Fletcher etc etc.

Morrison isnt playing for the first team because he slowed himself down by banding about with guns and hitting women landing him in court and trouble on several occasions, nothing to do with his talent, jred watch this space lad

'jred'

Rooney at academy level was a different player to Morrison at academy level. It's hard to judge. But if you are judging by potential alone (At academy level) then you would have given Rooney a 9/10, Wilshere & Morrison would be at 8/10. I would put Pogba at 9/10.

Potential is one thing, but it's about stepping up to senior level and Wilshere & Rooney have done this, whereas Morrison & Pogba are still developing.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I assume that you read my answer to your Ganso question Syd.}

Ed002 - Yes mate, I replied with a thanks. Did you learn any other decent info about other rumours that you can share with us?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Nothing more than idle gossip Syd.}

'No name'

It's not about fitting them into a first XI, it's about fitting them into a 25 man squad. I want Gotze because he is an exceptional talent who could come straight in and do a job. But I guess you could ask SAF the same question as you have just asked me because he tried to sign Sneijder this summer and he plays in the same position as Gotze.

Sydney!

06 Sep 2011 15:17:05
news of manchester united asian floatation is back on an expected to be completed by 27th of november, however wont be until jan till shares will be sold so i would expect manchester united to be silent in the jan transfer window. a good thing about this the glazers will have to put the buyers of their PiK's loans they had when they bought the club which should be published around the same time as they go on to the exchange. this is a major factor they wil have to make clear in there attempts to go on to the asian market as all financial infomation regarding united must be presented. so then we can see if it really was a quatar familly billionaire that bought them aswell as over infomation. i also found out that uniteds debt stands at £367.2million as of 22nd aug. i have heard that the glazers overall debt stands at around $727.6m which is around £453.8m. so i would expect money that is aquired from selling of shares would go to payin both uniteds an glazers debt of aswell. who would get the bigger chunk of money is anyones guesses!

unitedmoney!

I think you are getting mixed up between the PIKs & Bonds. It's the bond holders that will have to be informed of whats going on the the floating of the club's shares. The PIKs were paid off in full in November 2010. United's net debt stands at £308m.

Sydney!

Yeh i know they got paid off but they was by an unknown buyer. be intresting to know who bought them as there was alot of suspision it was a far east billionaire!. united net debt is 308 but intrest for the year stands at £59.4m from all assets of debt. hense £367 million of debt which will need to be accounted for an displayed in uniteds shares account. stockmarket will want 12 months previors an expected amounts for the forcoming year in est. amounts that will ajudge the net vaule of total share amount for around 30% of floatation.

'Unitedmoney!'

Do you believe they will pay off all of United's net debt with the floated money?

Sydney!

I've got a headache now.... HERBIE

They own the club. its all their money. they can sell at anytime and will have no problem finding a buyer who will give them a massive profit on their investment. United are a top top team, top of the Euro coefficients and the Premier League Champions.
This is the best squad and best start to a season both in performance, pre season and playing style we have seen in years. the kids are coming through and we have invested in the squad when needed.
We are in good hands. Stop looking for a catch, a flaw and support your team. The Glazers own United , I repeat own the club and its all their money.

Some of the money will go to payin of uniteds debt but the glazers as a family are well known to be in debt aswell an as they can take money out of the club i belive they will do so. i think the will take united debt to around 100m an make secure investments in sponsahip deals to cover intrest an the rest of united debt an what money left over will go to themselfs as they have done many times before.

as for other coment i do suport my club and are very loyal but i think u may not understand the formailies of a buyer coming in an tryin to buy united if they was on the stock market selling only 30% of the club. any1 would have to buy that full 30% of the club for 600m (easy whole figure). they would then have to come to some agreement with the glazers over the figure of the club excluding the 30 share he/she would already own as its just a oversee peercentage not a controlling percentage in the club. as galzers want a reported of 1.8billion for the cub buervt fork out almost 2.4billion in cash for the club. that is the most simpilist way i can explain it. iv stu world economy an share stocks an buniness in uni for last 6 years an have workin in asia stockmarket so i have contact an shares there so i know how it works,

unitedmoney!

Oh an united will not pay of the whole debt as they would incure huge settlement payments on most of the loans. i have been informed but still unconfirmed that glazers have 4 loans made out against united an i belive only 1 maybe 2 can be paid back in full at any time. the others are over around 10years payback. so united will be in debt for future but it will be in a health status of debt. i feel within 2 season united will have more capital to buy then they ever have. as much as i do not disagree with glazers they could come out of this making united more powerful than they ever have! frighting words sydney!

moneyunited

All a bit patronising dont you think? My statement reads true. I am a business man and know what I am talking about. They own it...end of.

Im not sayin they dont own it!? what u tryin to argue here?!

06 Sep 2011 10:27:09
a lot off people have been shouting about the likes of pogba etc.. coming thro but iv'e just been checking the site and the same people seem the be shouting for gotze to be bought now.
if these young lads are going to be so good why spend 30mil on an other one, would the money not be better spent on an othert part of the team.
jred

'jred'

It's a squad game mate, plus Pogba would sit much deeper than Gotze does.

______Clever______Pogba
____________Gotze


Sydney!

They are 2 different types of player. Depending on the formation, we could very easily accommodate Cleverley, Pogba and Goetze in a future starting 11.

TK-Red

What about anderson carrick fletch morrison turncliff.
like i said i dont think we need him
the money could be better spent some where else
jred

Jred

Don't think you should have included carrick in the above list....he totally won't suit our new style of play at all

The sooner he goes the better imo

Robbo

Jred - Gotze is too good a player to miss out on. Don't let his age fool you, he's ready step into this United team now, can the same be said of Morrison, Pogba and Tunnicliffe at the moment? The fact that he's only 19 is just a bonus. In the next 3 or 4 years, Giggs, Park, Carrick and Fletcher will most likely be gone or playing minimal roles at the club, so is it not best to get their replacements in early to make the transition easier?

If you add Gotze to Cleverley, Anderson, Pogba, Morrison and Tunnicliffe, the midfield is sorted for the next ten years.

Matthew...

Totally agree with you matthew and at 19 he is already a full international. It will be good to see how he plays in the cl and as they are in the same group as arsenal we will get to see him. Can I also add m'vila to your list as turncliffe is the only real dm in your list and I would like to have 2 for squad rotation plus he is also awesome.

oxred

Yes just have to add I think Yann M'Vila is one of the hottest prospects about! At only 20 years old he is also playing full international football with france, scored a great goal against, was it albania? I wouldn't mind seeing him being brought in! Also I think i'd rather have Shinji Kagawa than gotze! Hope all of you know that Kagawa did have a spot in dortmunds starting 11 until he broke his foot then Gotze took his place! so for Kagawa to be picked before him at the start of the season tells us something! Kagawa is a couple of years older at 21 or maybe 22 now i'm not too sure!

Ozwald

Matthew&oxred
I think you maybe missed the point of my first post
a lot of people are raving about our young midfielders coming thro , and rightly so but if these boys are going to be as good as they say, why are they shouting to buy an other.
i think pogba etc look good but i dont think they will be ready for a good few years, but thats my opinion, thats why i would buy gotze.
but i will be honest i maybe haven't seen enought of morrison pogba etc as some people (syd cons red etc) but if these young lads are as good as they say do we need another.
would gotze pos get in the way of there development what sort of message would it send out to pogba if when his just looking to break in to the side we go out and spend 30 mill on gotze.
jred

I no its a squad game these days but if Gotze , Cleverley, Anderson, Pogba, Morrison and Tunnicliffe are going to be as good as people think , could you really keep them all happy.

i think the question is how good are our young lads going to be for example is pogba going be good enough or should we buy m'vila for example.
i think we all watch young lads playing for differnt clubs and think yer his going to be great we should buy him , but do we really need them. i dont see enough off the youth team to be sure , i just think its strange that the same people who are raving about our youth team are the same people shouting to buy more young players.
i think if syd got his way we would have an under 21 team
jred

Oswald - I'm a fan of Kagawa too, he's a great player and he'd do well at United. But the reason Kagawa was being picked before Gotze, was because Gotze was only 18 at the time. He didn't have a place in the team before Klopp decided to take a gamble and throw him into the first 11. Since then, he hasn't been out of the first team, he's won the Bundesliga and he's a regular in the national team.

If I had a choice, I'd take Gotze.

Matthew...

'jred'

Like I said mate, it is a squad game, Pogba & Morrison will replace Carrick & Giggs. Fletcher would happily be a squad player. Three seasons ago we had;

Gibson,
Carrick,
Scholes,
Fletcher,
Hargreaves,
Giggs,
Anderson

for the midfield. What is wrong with having;

Cleverley,
Pogba,
Gotze,
Fletcher,
Tunnicliffe,
Morrison,
Anderson

Don't forget Morrison, Gotze & Cleverley can play on the wing, Tunnicliffe can play CB and Fletcher at RB if needed. It's a squad game and we could easily use all of these midfielders. Park won't be with us for ever either, so there is space.

Sydney!

Syd
add nani young and valencia to the wings
then how many games a season do you think the above players would get.
would they be happy getting as many games as gibson for example.
and another point would they be happy on the bench for the big games , if we had say nani and young out wide how would you have in the middle.
just out of intrest have you any idea how many games gibson hargreaes anderson and giggs played three years ago
jred

Gibson,
Carrick,
Scholes,
Fletcher,
Hargreaves,
Giggs,
Anderson
in the 2008/2009 gibson played 3 hargo2 the rest 20 odd so you prob only need 5 out of the seven players
jred

'jred'

We know Anderson is on his last life, this season is his last chance to prove his worth. Carrick & Giggs will leave. So next year we could have;

Fletcher
Cleverley
Goetze/Barkley
Anderson
Pogba

With Tunnicliffe continuing his progression at a PL club, Morrison could get a loan move to a PL club. If Anderson goes off the boil or gets injured again then he could be used as a makeweight for Goetze? But I expect he will have a great season.

Sydney!

Syd
i can see what you are saying but i think we have got off the point.
how good are these kids?
wiltshire m'vila goatze kagawa ganso thiago thats the standard are our lads going to be as good as them, if they are i dont think we need to buy an other young midfielder we could use the money for somewhere else , i think next summer we may need a striker.
my own thoughts , i haven't seen enough of pogba etc to be sure and i have a funny feeling we might go for ganso at jan , but who knows.
jred

I think a striker is highly unlikely. Even with Berbatov gone we would still have Rooney, Welbeck & Hernandez. Gotze is like VDV and can play beside a striker. So can Young and Nani isn't too shabby either. I think we will have enough goals in us.

Pogba is already a very good player, but his potential is breathtaking, he has the strength and power to play a part this season. Tunnicliffe is a very good 'Keane like' player, a bit rough around the edges so needs games, but will be a top player. Morrison is arguably the most talented player this country has seen for a long time. But he does have issues and does need to bulk up a little. I will try and dig out a Pogba compilation for you mate.

Sydney!

Paul Pogba

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib0nqjrRNoI

Sydney!

Jred,

regardless of age, Goetze is already proven quality at a high level and is clearly destined for great things (hopefully with Man Utd)

tunnicliffe, morrison and pogba are totally untested, so although they all have great potential it would be foolish to think they will all turn out great

they might....but they're totally untested in the first team...........so they might not. we just wont know for at least a year or 2 how good; because they wont get thrown in at the deep end. maybe carling cup etc.

i think it would be a good result if even 1 of the 3 become 1st team regulars in the future. but if all 3 turn out great, what a bonus!

regardless of age...we could buy Goetze and he would walk straight into the first team, and most likely elevate it

thats the difference IMO

;HP