Manchester United Rumours Archive September 06 2012

06 Sep 2012 20:51:32
There is news coming from Spain , that sir Alex and Pep Guardiola have met today to discuss the managers job at o.t . quite a nice bit of news .

Why is this nice news even IF it is true, we already have the best manager in the world and i personally am dreading the day he calls it quits cos i think we'll be in decline for a number of years no matter who takes over.
Andy B

Agree SAF is the best manager in the world in terms of man management but tactically I think he is a bit old fashioned and gets it wrong quite a bit. Guardiola IMO is the best tactician there is and he would not let us slip down in standards. He would only be short term though thats my worry but if Giggsy is his assistant then I would back Giggs to take over from him when he leaves. Scholes backs Giggs for manager so that in itself is good enough for me!

Dan

I think they should get pep in as number 2 so sir alex could show him the ropes so to speak

Dan,

I don't want to start a debate on who's a better manager but Mourinho is a better tactician, whilst Pep is still a brilliant tactician, I think it is his style of football and footballing philosophy are what make him such a fantastic manager.
I would prefer him over Jose to succeed Fergie, which does needs to be thought about in the not so far off future

Jaxer

Andy b . SAF can't go on forever even though he is the best , it will be a very sad day for us all when he stops . But this day will come ! Can you think of a better manager to step in ?
steve

It has to be mourinho for me,the man has done it every where,he even wrestled the title in spain from guardiola,mourinho is very much in the mould of saf,joeyored

This will be SAF's last season...

DanW

Guardiola is the perfect fit for us. Forget tactics and man managment this guy has faith in youth and can develop young players and bring them through the ranks. That is what we are all about.
G.N.G

Hope he drags Iniesta and Messi with him........we can dream right

As long as he leaves his tikki takka nonsense in Spain.
Most boring style of football....ever.
If i ever see United playing with 6 midfielders and no strikers, ill be very unhappy.

Jaxler,

I'll agree with you Mourinho is a great tactician but still no better than Pep IMO. Yes, Pep has the philosophy to follow but he also introduced great pressing in the oppositions third and he also introduced the 3-5-2 formation which played to their strengths and stopped them becoming predictable as he put it. Whether we want to play similar to Barca or not I would love his Playmaking philosophy at united as well regarding the education of our young CMs in the youth team like Perreira, Daehli, Januzaj. He could also teach Lingard, Cole etc some good stuff and for me he is the number 1 choice with Mourinho close behind. The most important thing for me is that neither of the 2 will be long term managers and we should bring in an ex legend like Ole or Giggs as the assistant to learn from him and take over when they leave.
Honestly, tatically we are dreadull as seen against City at the etihad and Everton this year.

Dan

While I think pep is a good manager and tactician I think there's only one guy with the b-lls to fill safs shoes and that's Jose the guy isn't just a great manager and tactician but he,s the only guy that commands the respect of every player in his squad he,s won everywhere he,s managed and I think the idea of coming to united and trying to emulate the success that saf has brought is like Jose,s main ambition it's the yardstick he wants to measure himself as a manager as there has been no better manager than saf so to be considered one of the greatest managers ever he,ll want to pick up fergies baton and see how much success he can bring us and I for one really think we're gonna be even better than we've been before let's see at the end of the season hey guys. Mattyboi.

Pep over Guardioa because:
1- his philosophy is truly an attacking one
2- his class, he would represent the club better
3- development of youth, as has been said
4-longevity? i wonder if he and Sir Alex discussed
5- and yes, his passion for the finer tactical points of the game

Zidaniel

Steve, its not that i dont realise that SAF cant go on much longer, its the fact that some fans seem to think its good news that Pep Guardiola may have been approached. I just think some "supporters" seem to think that this will be a step up, when in fact this will be a step down. Guardiola can never and will never come close to what he achieved with Barca, he is a very good manager but he will never be lucky enough to have talents like Messi, Ineista and Xavi at the same club again.

Andy B

Andy B, we have Powell, Januzaj, Daehli and Pereira. They are amongst the top talented players in the world for their age groups and all play in different positions have a little faith. I for one think that Pep would be ideal even if it is 3 or 4 years just to see them through to the first team.
Check out Powell's goal against Germany its a WORLD CLASS finish at only 18 and reminiscent of Cantona!
NO EXAGGERATING!

Yeah and this time last year we had Morrison and Pogba World Class talents going to be the core of the United team for the next decade! Lets just wait and say how they do for a few games if they break through before we crown them all the new Georgie Best!

Andy B

Morrison was always going to waste his talent. Pogba was surprising though I have a feeling that SAF playing Carrick all the time instead of Pogba was the reason. I am not a Carrick basher I think he is a good player but Pogba is a more talented player and should have got more game time. Powell should be playing against Newcastle in the cup btw and I bet he is going to show what a talented player he is. Will be intresting where he will fit into the midfield.

Dan

06 Sep 2012 18:11:01
From a dependable source;Nani to travel to Zenit for personal terms and medical tomorrow.
This will serve good to those anti Nani who are calling for his head.
Now,lets see what Young and Welbeck will do from the left wing.

Welbeck will never play on the left again, he was awful, surely the manager will have seen it.

Does he need a lift to the airport?

Dan

A dependable source who is so dependable that they don't realise the window shuts tonight?! In like 2 hours?! Good one! Ha!
Carl

He cannot sign tomorrow i thought the deadline was today
ARB

Their transfer window closes today if I'm correct

Pardoe

Well its a bit late tomorrow as the window shuts in a few hours....

I thought Zenit had already said it was off due to "unreasonable wage demands"

I'm going to need another name other than Dan if there are two of us. I agree with Dan though if its 25m i'll also pay for his taxi from the airport to Zenit.

Dan2

Agreed Welbeck, Evra and Cleverley were poor. But then Scholes and Hernandez were great! I'd like to see Kagawa instead of Welbeck on the left if Young is not available.

Dan

My spideysense tells me Nani is stopping unfortunately but one can only hope he is on his way.

Young gets my vote for the left wing berth as I think Kagawa is better in a more central role.

Welbeck has looked poor on the wing but gives a credible option upfront (I still think he's not the finished article).

Hernandez as a left wing back-up option could be interesting though.

I'd bring back Ralph Milne though (at whatever age he is now) before I started Nani again.

Halesini

I wish to God it was Young and Welbeck they were after.

06 Sep 2012 14:02:14
Just something worth keeping an eye on, but Evra would be interested in a move back to France with Marseille and Lyon both interested (just to name two). I personally can see this happening and with Cashly Cole's contract up in Jan with no sign of an extention yet, I wouldnt put it aside that we might offer him a deal...

The much hated: PJ {Ed002's Note - Ashley Cole's contract is not up in January.}

Dont care how much of a tosser Cashley is he is one hell of a defender

ms85

Could do a bosman in January.

Maybe a cutprice deal in jan but bosman wont be till nevt summer and he is a little rat so wouldnt suprise me too see him swap red and blue again

I thought a bosman is when you agree a contract in January for a move in the summer where you only have to pay compensation. If it is a summer move then they would be on a free not a bosman.

06 Sep 2012 13:16:03
With the quotes from Rooney saying he will soon be playing midfield as he enjoys dropping deeper comes along with all these rumored strikers continuously linked with the club. Damiao,Lewandowski,Llorente to name a few, could all come in and the frontline of RVP,Chicharito,Welbeck, and one of the 3 above would be devastating.

If I had to choose it would be either Damiao or Lewandowski who would be entering the prime of their careers, Also give Henriquez 3 years from now when RVP is in his mid 30's and he will be the next up and coming star along with Will Keane to replace RVP like we have done with Berbartov this year.

RedKnight

We already have 2 top quality centre forwards in Hernandez and RVP who is very versatile as well though. Lets not Forget Will Keane either he is a future first teamer. I would rather get a wide playing forward like Nani but better. Obviously Ronaldo or Neymar would be the best bet but Muinian would be a great buy IMO if the above 2 aren't possible.

Dan

'Dan'

Hernandez is not a centre forward, he's a striker, the only good thing he's good at is finishing. He had a stellar first season but ever since he has looked liked he's lacked good ball control and consistent passing, he'll be used like Solskjaer was, as a supersub. After all he's already said he's happy to play that role.

Welbeck is the centre forward you should be talking about. I think Danny is going to become an amazing player as he's been at United since he was 13 and has a good strong physique. Will Keane does look to be a future star also.

Ozwald

06 Sep 2012 10:16:04
Morning all. I've read that United have put forward a proposal to the PL regarding putting tighter controls on clubs spending limits. I'm not sure of specifics, but apparently it's broadly in-line with UEFA's FFP.
So, does the football community need to regulate itself? If the idea is to stop the continuing increases in fees and wages, then it's a good thing. It is crazy what clubs, managers and players earn now - crazy. And I'm sure if limits are introduced, agents and accountants will find a better way of avoiding them.
Does anyone know exactly what the terms and conditions are going to be for FFP, or can ye direct me to a website that gives a clear explanation.
I think agents fees should also be included. They should not get millions when their player signs to a new club. The rules should limit the fees to a percentage of the transfer fee with a cap placed on the maximum amount. E,g, 5%, limit of £1m.
I also think it's a bit high-minded of United to look for this as being one of the wealthiest clubs in the world, it will suit us better to have these regulations in place.
Lots of people on this site have (wrongly) hoped for a 'Sugar-Daddy' to buy out the Glazers and give us a s**tload of money to spend. Well, we can't have both, a sugar-daddy and FFP.

I personally think that fees and wages should be lowered for managers, owners, players and agents, allowing the price of tickets to reduce for the people who keep the whole show on the road - the supporters. They should always be the priority in any club, not the manager and not the players.

J Bones.

P.S. Can we have an 'Editors Profile' page like we have a 'Players Profile' page

{Ed002's Note - As soon as time allows I will explain what is included and what is excluded from the FFP rules. However, they do not come in fully before June 2014 and most clubs will make a claim that they are going in the right direction and will perhaps get a slap on the wrists in the form of a strongly worded letter. If it were to get as far as sanctions, then it would be perhaps 2017/18 before that happens and a potentially protracted court case could see that end up as an expensive mess. More concern to UEFA is the ongoing consideration of a pan-European breakaway league. Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity a once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. These discussions, the last of which were in late August, also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen.}

Thanks for your reply Ed002. It looks like FFP really isn't going to do very much at all, especially if UEFA and Platini are not prepared to fully commit to follow through with any threats.
Regarding the breakaway league, I think this is something that may happen sooner, rather than later. It certainly is a mouth-watering prospect. A league with all the giants of European football. I think UEFA must surely have a team investigating the probability of this becoming reality, and if so, I'm sure they will look at how they get control of it. It may be that they preempt this breakaway by starting a new Champions League with greater power and money given to the clubs.
Anyone with any thoughts on this?

J Bones. {Ed002's Note - It would be nothing whatsoever to do with UEFA.}

My take on this whole ffp rules is that Uefa Truely intend to enfoced the policy.

I feel as much as they fear te chance of a pan european breakaway league, They know it'll never happen.

My reasons against the breakaway league are as follows:

1) It would restrict the number of fans attending games due to costs of travelling etc

2) Would it provide enough revenue for the clubs to survive outside of Fifa as they will be banned from all FIFA competitions.

3) Each countries domestic leagues would suffer greatly and if the whole thing were to collapse i feel they would treat any team wishing to come back the same way Newco Rangers have been (I.e would have enter at the bottom division)

4.) would anyone really be that interested in watching the league as such?

To expand on that:

I feel the whole appeal of the champions league and the reason it's so popular is that you get to watch you nations best clubs play against another nations best clubs in an annual event.

If the clubs were no longer in the leagues then they are no longer the nations best club because they are not able to prove as such due to no longer playing in the league.

I enjoy watching United Play European teams but if we played barcelona and madrid in a league it would loose the romance of the occasion.

Tournements just hold more euthoria than leagues and quite frankly i love the premier league. Such diversity in game play and even the under dogs have their day.

The SPL is boring because it's tended to be the same old top 2 without anyon challenging.

Same goes for the Spanish league always barca or real.

We have 4-5 teams in the mix normally going into the final 3rd and this breed excitement - hope - fear Just look at last season! Well thought we had took the league at the death but alas the blues triumphed

Monk

Thanks for the info 002

I have felt for some time that this was inevitable - with only national politics able to delay it.

My uncertainty was whether it was going to be a variety of the "big clubs" or a breakaway formed by those older established "big clubs" (the Bayerns, Barcas, Real's the Uniteds etc) that didn't like the new "oil" money etc ruining their cosy fiefdoms.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Mike {Ed002's Note - I understand that there were 11 clubs represented at the discussions last week.}

I think a break away league would be awful. No thought for the fans again, who's going to able to afford to travel to 10-20 or whatever amount of away games scattered across Europe?

Also i'd miss the domestic games, the derbies against the scousers and City and the London clubs, the cupsets etc etc.

Wow, that hypothetical situation would be terrible for football IMO and would likely be the final nail in the coffin of the beautiful game. Basically it would be a number of select clubs playing Football Manager, but for real!

Gav

Regarding a new top european league, you can talk about problems with travelling but ticket prices would rise for playing that standard of opponents each match. It would be great for the armchare fan but not for the actual travelling fans. Besides, I like united being the big fish in a small bowl and we can still do the CL every year so all is good to me. I would like us to be able to make our T.V deals seperately like Real and Barca because we are the most followed sports team in the world. If that was the case then we would eclipse Barca and Reals revenue and be making £80m signings most years we wanted to.

Dan

I have absolutely no interest in this ffp caper nor do i have interest in financial affairs.....all i care and love about is football and its disgusting the way the game has moved since i was a kid growing up in the 80's........wages, players with egos bigger than the universe, players auditioning for football's next ballet star by diving about the pitches looking to con the officials....its an absolute shambles, compare it to any other sport in the world and its head and shoulders above anything else when it comes to the wages the top players are getting..........

absolute load of tripe

Robbo

That's great info, thanks Ed! But, hasn;t this protracted Super League been in discussions since the early years of the EPL. I know Manchester United have always been strong advocates (or at least, that is what the media has lead me to believe). Will the FFP really impact on potentially forcing this through any more than before?

MDJ {Ed002's Note - Since the G14 days and as recently as last week. It would be a big move.}

Actually you can have both to an extent.The owner makes sure the club are not paying interest on loans and then the club are free to use their earned income to benefit the club,not the owner.

Think its a bit rich United complaining about teams spending too much money. Check your transfer outlay in the last twenty years, think you will find you lot ruined the game by paying stupid money for average players. Tough luck, you don't have any money, are no longer top dogs so get used to it.
Paul Belfast

Paul Belfast,

The club spent its own money not its oil guzzling sugar daddies billions. Of course we spent more because we are the biggest club but we only spent what the club could afford so did not distort the market.

Dan

Dan , don't think it matters. Red nose would not be complaining if he had billions to spend. Didn't hear him asking for regulation when he had money. The billionaires are here to stay. Football has changed. How hypocritical the man is.
Paul Belfast

Paul,

Football has changed for the worst with clubs going bankrupt from stupid wages, transfer prices and losing hundreds of millions a year for a hobby is obviously bad for the sport and the PL, not to mention any young English academy players coming through. Football has changed for the worse and FFP is trying to stop that so clubs only spend what they earn. Who do you support Paul, City or Chelsea?

Dan

I totally agree about the wages Dan as I don't think any player is worth more than £20,000 a week. We all work hard and will never earn in a lifetime what these boys earn in a year.I don't follow any particular team, as I follow Ulster Rugby all over Europe. When I am not following Ulster I am an Irish League Intermediate referee ( Northern Ireland Football).
Paul Belfast