Manchester United Rumours Archive January 07 2011

07 Jan 2011 21:54:36
I belive but then agin i don't belive that manchster united are belived to have put in a bid for /baistin swhivinster /but i don't think they will sign him because bawern munich will put a price of any starnderd starting from £10 million to about £60 million i think manchster united will have the funds but won't pay more then id say £25 million

{Editor Note: Hasn't he just signed a new contract?}

07 Jan 2011 19:06:17
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A lot of sites are still reporting about Julio Cesar, Im very sceptical about it as it more than likely is pure bullsh* but if you think, it could be a smart move?

- Well experienced goalkeeper
- Excellent in many departments
- Still has a few years left in him
- Played at the top level for years

Im thinking, would it be a good idea to sign him up to provide dependable services while Lindegaard is growing into English football? And after 1-2 years even Ben Amos might come a long way?

7million is the reported fee, rubbish. What do you think Ed, and Sydney? {ed's note - if you could get him for that amount it would be a great signing, but I can't see it.}

07 Jan 2011 17:00:42
@Is it me, or do i seem to be reading the same posts over and over again? Sanchez this, sanchez that. Hes got potential, sure, but he aint the missing link. We need a goalkeeper, which is pretty nailed on its de gea. Fergie dosnt fly to spain to watch a player for no reason. A dominant midfielder. A powerhouse in the essien mould. But i think pogba can do that. And another centreback. But i still rate evans. We have nani, toni, park, cleverly, wellbeck, morrison for the wings. Van bommell is too old and please stop the barton/downing talk. Its a joke. No where near uniteds standard. Jamesmack8


Think before you speak mate, would brown, oshea, evans, neville llike many of our players get into many of the top teams in the prem? no! why?! because we have a team not indivisuals, so together they are immense, alone nothing. so downing and kinda barton fit these moulds. SHRIMP

07 Jan 2011 16:21:47
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Whats the weather in manchester atm snowing would dred the game to be called off ?

it snowd for a bit but was nothing serious. game will be on! not southern softies (chelsea)

JWalk

07 Jan 2011 16:18:37
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REDFAITH .You see a family that is taking millions out of the club and not putting a penny in. Yet you are backing them, which tells me everything I need to know about you as you sit in the pub in your replica shirt unaffected by what is being done to the heart of the club. Tell me one good thing they have done for our club?RAINFISHTROMBONE

07 Jan 2011 14:47:55
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Glazers haven't taken a dividend yet as far as i know. 6-9mil doesn't go every year. Anybody who will buy united will want 30mil dividends straight off. They will also take out other money in fees etc. just k=like the glazers do. No difference at all.

I am right in the 20-30mil

REDFAITH

@Red the Glazers have not taken extra dividends out of the club, but since they have been at United they have taken out the dividends any owner is entitled to. They are allowed 20-25m a year in dividends, they have always helped themselves to them mate. Management/Admin fees used to be 2.9m every year but since the Bond Scheme they are now entitled to take out anything up to 9m a year.

Work it out, We turned over 286m and made an 83m loss, that is 370m gone out of the club. 131m on wages, 45m on interest payments, 101m went out on 'One Off' payments. Where did the rest of it go?

Sydney!

07 Jan 2011 14:03:41
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"Hi Redfaith, i think you maybe mistaken about what you think the Glazers take out of the club. 45m is taken out of the club for interest payments, 6-9m is taken out in management & Admin fees. And what you are forgetting is the Glazers too will take out dividends just like investors at Arsenal do. The have not taken out the 25m plus the 70m but they still take out the dividends that investors are entitled to take out. Lets not forget that each of the Glazers are on high paid jobs at the club, all of that comes out of the club too. If i am not mistaken they are all on around 1m each every year as directors.

45m out in interest,
6-9m out in fees
20-25m out in investors dividends
7m out in salaries.

Total 78-86m

If we had new owners we would lose;

20-25m out in investors dividends
3m in fees.

Total 23-28m

DIFFERENCE IS 55-58m EVERY SEASON.

Sydney!"

Glazers haven't taken a dividend yet as far as i know. 6-9mil doesn't go every year. Anybody who will buy united will want 30mil dividends straight off. They will also take out other money in fees etc. just k=like the glazers do. No difference at all.

I am right in the 20-30mil

REDFAITH

07 Jan 2011 13:55:11
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Mike The Mostonian Red

I don't have to prove it to you as I have said "Choose to believe this if you want" Its your chioce and that is fine, I am not pretending anything I just know business that is my strong point!
In Refrence to the Glazer's money out point I could show you 10000s of pages of Good solid evidance which does show Money going out but not going in if you wish to see some real good ones go on Anders Redblog!

Cheers

07 Jan 2011 13:47:24
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Man utd will not sign any player this jan. but the players which will be bought in summer are

rodwell (20m)
cahill (8-12m)
de gea (15-18m) if fergi really wants him

sanchez is a 2nd option, 1st option younger left
footer who is unknown & with skill lots of stamina.

kaka rumours i don't thing so fergi will take loan
a player with such high profile name & make team play around him.

fergi is waiting for his targets to be open to him he
will silently get them. he is a master of mind games.
never doubt sir alex mind power.

and to people have post the name of players with
high profile name fergie dosent like to make team around them he makes his own.

07 Jan 2011 13:22:11
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@REDFAITH
I guess alot of talent over the years has come from South America/Mediterranean and the Spainish league is easier for them to adapt to (weather, language, style of play). Plus Barcelona and Real have such a successful history.
Id be interested to see how well Kaka did in the Premier league actually. You could nearly count the number of South Americans who have had a major impact in the league on your two hands.

You could probably count them all on one of Bart Simpsons hands.

In my opinion South Americans aren't really suited to the English game. Ossie Ardiles done alright, The younger Brazillians currently at United are doing alright but as far as I can remember no South american has really lit up the english game.

Oh I forgot Kleberson (He was "fantastic") ;)

Gaz

JUNINHO, TEVEZ?

WOFFSTA

07 Jan 2011 13:18:14
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@I have never said "Love Sanchez" he's a very good player, almost great and we are heavily linked to him.

But i always sign my posts, unless i forget of course but i am so used to doing it now, i doubt i have forgot to sign a post in a very long time.

But just to clear this up, i am married, its to a female and i do NOT love Sanchez, his mum isn't bad looking mind!

Sydney!

i had to click unbelievable, about the female bit that is ;)

Jwalk

07 Jan 2011 13:15:43
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SHRIMP
no worries mate, i just get tired of the name calling just cus people don't agree, i give reasoned answers and expect the same from fellow reds, if i wanted name calling i'd go wind up the scousers. Lol. Any 3 players to improve the squad hey, i'd go for Adler as he's a solid keeper and being a united fan would be happy to sit on the bench if lindegaard turns out to be class. Next i'd go for M'Vila as i feel we need a strong force in midfield to protect the back four, he is also currently alot better than Rodwell and would be alot cheaper too. The third is interesting as i don't feel we need anyone else and buying anyone else would block the progression of our youngsters coming through. I don't know about you but i prefer seeing a youngster come through our youth system than us spending loads of money on so called superstars. Who would you sign and why?
Shappy

07 Jan 2011 12:59:08
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So ED do you think there will be any signings at all this January? I know fergie said no but he does keep his cards close!

Jake {ed's note - you already have Lindegaard, but I don't expect any first team players to sign no. I am hearing that there are at least two other kids likely to be signed from the continent - I have absolutely no idea who - similar to the youngsters you have been scooping up already this season.}

07 Jan 2011 12:58:45
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Choose to believe this if you want as everyone have there varying opinions about all subjects let alone this one.
Manchester United WILL be owned by the Qatar Holding company. When I don't know, How much for I don't know? If there going to be good for the club I don't know? BUT they will own Manchester United.

I am not going to predict massive foolish spending like City or Chelsea (Early Abromovich Day's) and I will not predict signing Ronaldo and Bale BUT they will own the Club!

The Moston Red How you or ANYONE can say the Glazer's have not been bad for the club is nothing short of Bizarre when they have took HUNDREDS of Millions out of the club and put nothing back.

Unnamed, its Mike the Moston Red by the way.

1) What evidence do you have that we are going to be OWNED by Qatar Holdings. I am a fair Mostonian, I will give you till Midnight tonight to prove me wrong.

2) Your second point, see point 1

3) Show me the evidence that the Glazers have took hundreds of Millions of pounds out of United, bearing in mind that United doesn't run on fresh air. And don't confuse service of debt with taking money out of United

Look forward to hearing from you fella

Mike the Moston Red

P.S I hope you are right about Qatar Holdings but I know you are not.

07 Jan 2011 11:49:16
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Am becoming a little suspicious as a few posts with no names or new ones are saying how great Sanchez is. . Sound same way of putting it as sydney as well. . same poster? Or just coincidence. . Too coincidend for me, too many first post saying love Sanchez
Anon

07 Jan 2011 11:49:05
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United may go in a very bad transition period,
My source says
Owen - released, Welbeck back from loan,
Hargreaves - gone, pogba promoted
VDS - De Gea, 17m
Neville - retired, another RB to be signed, some lesser known
Scholes, Giggs - retiring, Cleverly givem more chance in PL and Morrison introduced in the first team. Anderson has been in fine form, so not any need.
Rodwell to be signed for 17m + Diouf.
Brown, depending on his wish.
and youngsters signing.

TEAM
De Gea/Lindegaard/Amos
Rafael/some new kid/gill or dudgeon or brown may not be sold.
Vidic/ferdi/smalling/evans
evra/fabio
de laet and o;shea too.
Also Corry evans maybe given a chance
Carrick, Rodwell, Fletcher, Anderson, Pogba, some unknown AM
nani/park/valencia/cleverly/obertan
bebe to be loaned
rooney/berba/chicharito/welbeck/macheda

07 Jan 2011 11:40:08
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07 Jan 2011 10:49:23
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@REDFAITH
I guess alot of talent over the years has come from South America/Mediterranean and the Spainish league is easier for them to adapt to (weather, language, style of play). Plus Barcelona and Real have such a successful history.
Id be interested to see how well Kaka did in the Premier league actually. You could nearly count the number of South Americans who have had a major impact in the league on your two hands.

You could probably count them all on one of Bart Simpsons hands.

In my opinion South Americans aren't really suited to the English game. Ossie Ardiles done alright, The younger Brazillians currently at United are doing alright but as far as I can remember no South american has really lit up the english game.

Oh I forgot Kleberson (He was "fantastic") ;)

Gaz

07 Jan 2011 11:29:10
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Surprised no one has mentioned this today buy keeper wise, as it's been reported in the sun (who are full of rubbish), What about Cesar? To me he's in the top 2 best in the world, only behind Iker. The only thing that made me laugh about this story is the pathetic £7 Million price tag the Sun gave him, the man is worth closer to £20 Million IMO.

ED? Other Posters? What do you guys make of this 'story' and would you like to see him at United?
For me, It's complete rubbish but i'd like to see him at United.

The Moon. {ed's note - I don't see that happening or even close to happening mate, great keeper though.}

07 Jan 2011 10:49:23
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@REDFAITH
I guess alot of talent over the years has come from South America/Mediterranean and the Spainish league is easier for them to adapt to (weather, language, style of play). Plus Barcelona and Real have such a successful history.
Id be interested to see how well Kaka did in the Premier league actually. You could nearly count the number of South Americans who have had a major impact in the league on your two hands.

07 Jan 2011 10:42:26
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"Players don't have to pay as much tax over there as they do here so they are making a hell of a lot more money

Plus on top of that the lovely weather and beautfiul women that's on offer. . . .

Simple really"

The tax advantage has gone since this year. Thanks to all, keep the thoughts coming. I do not understand why people like the weather there so much? I have actually found the british weather inspiring and adding steel to one's character. I just think they are scared pussys to put in the work and effort and want a much easier ride that they get in spain. I don't understand what there is in italy though. Playing in front of empty seats and those that are filled are ones with abusers and flair hurlers, must be really depressing.

REDFAITH

07 Jan 2011 10:27:32
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Thanks SHRIMP, well that answers that question, but you've still not said why you think i'm on mind bending drugs, so wat was it i said that gave you that impression? And wats your differant view?
Cheers
Shappy

07 Jan 2011 10:17:57
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Players don't have to pay as much tax over there as they do here so they are making a hell of a lot more money

Plus on top of that the lovely weather and beautfiul women that's on offer. . . .

Simple really07 Jan 2011 08:26:25
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I would like to ask my fellow United fans, what are their views on why players prefer to join the spanish clubs?

REDFAITH

07 Jan 2011 10:05:56
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I would like to ask my fellow United fans, what are their views on why players prefer to join the spanish clubs?

Less aggressive league, far more technical, better climate, better lookin women, better food, better drink, less abusive media. England have some great clubs, but my god Spain is a nicer place to live. . . far nicer. Plus Man City is over here.

07 Jan 2011 09:42:59
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In reply to:

"I would like to ask my fellow United fans, what are their views on why players prefer to join the spanish clubs?

REDFAITH"

If there was a reason it would be because of the weather but I would like to think players would want to join United just as much as any other team.

MPez

07 Jan 2011 09:40:01
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I sincerely hope this Kaka deal happens he's is an exceptional talent and I'm sure Fergie could turn him around and he'd be at the best club to help recover from his injury. ED do you know how likely this deal is and have we ever been heavily linked with him before?

Jake {ed's note - highly unlikely, think about it carefully. A player coming back off a long term injury going out on loan to regain fitness and form, which could take the whole of the rest of the season. Would you really want that when you are chasing the title?}

07 Jan 2011 08:26:25
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I would like to ask my fellow United fans, what are their views on why players prefer to join the spanish clubs?

REDFAITH

07 Jan 2011 01:22:05
Ed wat do u think are the chances or van marwijk being the next united manager hes done well wit feyenord and great with the dutch

{Editor's Note: Most unlikely. If I was a betting man I would put my money on Laurent Blanc.}

07 Jan 2011 01:08:08
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In reply to the Ed:

"{Editor's Note: I expect Pastore to end up elsewhere than you have suggested. Hamsik makes sense.?}"

Where do you believe Pastore will end up?

I don't know if you have ever watched him but he faintly reminds me of Johan Cryuff in the way they look and play. Or is it just me? Not that it has to do with anything.

I thought he revealed he dreams of playing for Barca? Possibly a replacement for Iniesta, or maybe Affelay is that man?

I don't think he will end at City, he doesn't seem like the type to be attracted by big money offers.

As for Hamsik I expect him in a United shirt or a Napoli one for the rest of his career. I couldn't imagine him for anyone else.

Ed?

MPez {ed's note - I think Pastore is more likely to end up on the Unreal Madride myself. Purely because I can't see Barca needing him.}

07 Jan 2011 01:07:27
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{Editor's Note: I expect Pastore to end up elsewhere than you have suggested. Hamsik makes sense.}

@Pastore has said he will end up at either Barcelona or Real Madrid but he wants to work on improving himself at Palermo and honour his contract, I cannot see him going to City, he's very passionate about club history and stuff. Ed where do you see him in five years time?

Sydney! {ed's note - in Spain, probably Real Madrid.}

07 Jan 2011 01:04:56
People should think of it like this if kaka comes on loan gibson won't be playing
maybe that's why fergie is leaving cleverly at wigan cause hes getting kaka instead for loan?

07 Jan 2011 00:47:36
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Hey Ed, are Man U interested in Bayer Leverkusen midfielder Arturo Vidal?

{Editor Note: According to reports they are. But I personally don't know.}

07 Jan 2011 00:07:45
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@Ed Kaka was named in the Real Madrid CL squad, but because he never played a game and squads have to be submitted again in January, do you know if Kaka is eligible to play in the CL for another club?

If so then i can see why he is being linked to everyone but if he can't then why are people so excited by him?

Sydney! {ed's note - my understanding is that he is no longer cup tied. I have tried having another look through the UEFA handbook but I had to give it up as a bad job, I was just too tired to make sense of it.}

07 Jan 2011 00:06:45
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@{ed's note - I actually can see your thinking on it, sometimes the best players for a team isn't the best player in the world. As for Barton, there is such a huge list of his troubles it would fill pages and pages.}

i think there are quite a few players about that fit this mould, park, valencia, downing, scott parker, neville (everton), yossi benyoun, nolan. they offer no frills football getting the dirty work done so the rooneys, ronaldos can concentrate on getting the goals. i think the championship is the key to the future of the englishman in the premier league. I think the champo epitomises the english player. strong, powerful and up for a scrap. add in your italians and brazilians and youve got a TEAM who can fight with flare! SHRIMP

07 Jan 2011 00:06:16
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It is quite clear from fergie's signing at the moment he is trying to do to things. 1) find that cheapish rare gem relatively unknown to turn out to be a cracker similar to what he did with ronaldo I know £12m is a lot for a youngster but obviously was worth the money. He hasdone a similar thing with Obertan, Bebe, hernandez and smalling brought in young talent for relatively and I stress relatively small amounts of money hoping to get a little but lucky and see them improve beyond what was predicted. And 2) obviously buying for the future. It happened in 1995 (I was only 1 though haha) when he got rid of kanchelskis, Hughes, ince and brought in the likes of becks, Neville, Scholes, butt and giggs was already there. Now he is having to do the same and not rebuild as such as we already have a strong squad and young talent but the likes of Scholes Neville giggs van der sar are on their way out and the younger talent is being brought in. This is how I see the team in a couple of years time with current ages in brackets and signings in capitals.

DE GEA (20)
Rafael (20) smalling (20) Evans/SHAWCROSS(24/23) fabio (20)
Nani (23) RODWELL (19) Anderson (22) SANCHEZ (21)
Chicharito (22) Rooney (25)

We then have other young talents such as cleverley macheda welbeck and Henderson may be brought in although I don't think this year as it would be too much of an overhaul. I would love to see bale but his price is too inflated and spurs have no reason to sell they are building their team around him and Modric. Lastly, I have to admit I am not 100% on the ages but they are reasonably accurate within a year on each I think if not correct but it gives a rough indication of te direction I think the club is going in and I have to say having seen Chicharito I am warming to the idea of buying in youth rather than spending excessively on so called "stars" and paying crag wages.

Fred

07 Jan 2011 00:05:52
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I'm actually shocked at you fellow United fans. I'm reading things such as 'There is not a chance of us Getting Kaka' and other put downs to our club. .

Most of you seem to be forgetting that Manchester United are the biggest club in the world and are the most expensive club in the world. Why wouldn't Kaka want to come to OT? Plus it has come out that Fergie is going to have a revamp in the summer, so why not have Kaka leading our Midfield to glory again? It actually sounds like you's are not even United fans?

Before I continue I would like to thank those few people who actually did support RedCafe and FunkyPigeon - who, by the way, said Kaka's people were at OT - you few actually believed that it can happen. Well done.

Anyhow, I'm not actually saying that I expect Kaka to sign, but why wouldn't he? I actually believe that Fergie would prefer to sign Hamsik (Napoli) or Pastore (Palermo) for CAM.

Another piece of information I have heard is that Lassana Diara has been given comfirmation of his place in Mourinho's team for the future and will not ask to move to United after all. In truth though Fergie would rather pay that extra 8m for Rodwell.

Also to those who think lowly of Sanchez, watch the Udinese vs. Chievo highlights from this afternoon in which Sanchez scored and created throughout. Brilliant performance from my view.

Ed, any view on the Kaka situation? I expect you don't read into it at all, but just see it as rumours? But if so then its still nice to see World Class players are being linked to United again.

MPez {ed's note - my thinking is that he is just coming back off a long term injury and it will take him a month or two to get back to form, it wouldn't make sense to sign him on loan. That is why I don't believe that rumour. As a permanent move, I think it is more likely that Kaka's people would be trying to convince United to move for him than United are trying to get Kaka to join.}