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08 Aug 2013 12:30:37
So Cesc has said "there have never been any talks with MUFC"
So who is lying? Either he is or Moyes. WE wouldn't have bid twice and potentially a third time without some sort of "Talks" or encouragement. So i'd say its lies coming from MUFC, and it supports what I have said from day 1 about going for unobtainable players knowing that we can't get them. Then we sign Fellaini (who I think will do well for us).
Id rather the club came out and just said we aren't going to be spending huge sums as the money isn't there. At least then as fans we would know exactly how the land lies. Instead we hear "no transfer limit" "Things in place for big signing" "Ed Woodward flies home from Oz to conduct Urgent Transfer" and what have we got so far.

Sambo

1.) We're getting the wig and the gnome from Everton or no one. This talk of Fabregas and Ronaldo is BS so gullable fans will think they tried.


2.) Not to worry we've only wasted a month. I'm sure we can get Darren Gibson, should only take 3 weeks before he tells united that he's happy where he is.

Coups


3.) Disgusting. United letting us down again. Squad was good for fergie but we needed big players in and have no chance getting them.


4.) All this means is that we held no discussions with him and barca just flat rejected the offers so we didn't have a chance to
cred


5.) I agree with sambo. How about some honesty moyes and Woodward. At least fergie and gill never embarrassed themselves by saying we are bidding for so and so. When really they were never going to come. At this rate we will end up signing joey Barton, Stewart downing, Antonio Ferdinand and Wayne bridge.

Come on, prove me wrong. Sign witzel, willan, gaitan and shaw.


6.) It looks like the same old story with Utd this summer and I am as disappointed as the next fan. But I am reserving my judgement until the end of the window because it's a new manager and I think even this board want to give him the best possible start. The way this window is panning out it looks more and more likely there will be bargains to be had at Madrid once they sign Bale and Ronaldo re-signs. Di Maria and Ozil for Rooney and a few quid. Who wouldn't be happy with RVP and Kagawa, Di Maria and Ozil interchanging all over the place behind him. Carrick +one other would do with that front four. Maybe not as far fetched as it seems. I doubt it though. I want some flair players, touch of class. We've been torture to watch the last few years, **** an enforcer, footballs not like that anymore.


7.) No lies at all. We made two ambitious bids and they were not accepted. End off. No need to take to the player so no lies. get a grip guys.

Personally I think the deal could have happened but Tito leaving was the curve ball.


8.) 08 Aug 2013 13:58:18
So when we talk of Real's summer business it's Ronaldo (re-signing), Bale, Suarez etc. Barca its Neymar etc. Bayern its Gotze, Thiago etc. And United. Fellaini and a fullback! It's not a gap between us and them now, its a gulf! Disgusting! Could be a long season ahead. !


9.) So far sambo all we have is negativity!

rednev


10.) Nobody is lying. Clubs are not allowed to talk to players under contract without their club's permission. We have certainly talked to his agent and that is where all the encouragement has come from.

aljebro


11.) It was all bluff. Moyes and Woodward aare both FLOPS. Fellaini and Baines are not for sale, another flop.
Hoping that UTD would not be struggliong in the relation zone.


12.) The whole Fabregas thing was nothing short of a PR stunt - anyone could see through that. Does anyone here really believe that if we were going after Fabregas with a serious view to buying him that we'd be going round telling everyone that at news conferences?
PR stunt to sell season tickets, nothing more and we should expect nothing more.


13.) Slagging off moyes and woodward already? They bid for one of the greatest midfielders around at the momment? Shows our intent doesn't it? Have faith in them we will sign players. At least their not going after average players?


14.) If the club are smart, they should sign Falliani as soon as possible. And yes, they guy is for sale. Everton are not Barca, and Felliani wants out.

SLred.


15.) At no point did anyone say we were in talks with cesc, we bid for him and it was rejected so we weren't allowed. too many people on here sticking the knife into moyes and woodward before the season has even started. we all want to see us strenghten the squad but regardless if we don't u should stand behind the manager and the team!

red jay


16.) Rednev, you say all we have is negativity. Zaha aside and the other youngsters what have been the positives. Bear in mind we are talking transfer dealings here. We have all been led to believe we are after the best players in the world. Yet its all talk isn't it? I sincerely hope I am wrong, but the longer this goes on the more worrying it is.
The league will not be the problem, I think we will finish 2nd or 3rd, but the Champions League we will struggle. Other elite teams have strengthened significantly as Diatribe stated above.


17.) They should have keep it quiet. SAF who speak about rooney (revenge for 3 years ago), Moyes and Woodward who make high hope to every fans about signing big.

If the big signing end up to be Fellaini. i'm going to be so F****** Angry.

JLBER84


18.) The whole summer seems like a PR stunt to me. No talks at all with Thiago Alcantra it seems, posturing over Fabregas and nothing more, these Ronaldo rumours - its all rubbish and a PR stunt.
How soon will we see "MOYES OUT" banners at Old Trafford and away games?


19.) Modric/Ozil, Baines and Fellaini.


20.) JLBER84 - Tell you what mate, go to Stoke or West Ham and watch midfielders of the quality of Cleverley et al. (Except Diame at West Ham who is far better than Cleverley or Anderson). If you can't get Cesc or Gotze you go for the best you can. Fellaini is so much better than any midfielder, except Carrick, that we have it's just unreal. Get Cabaye as well and our midfield looks stronger than it has since the days of Scholes and Keane being in their pomp. Of course I'm not saying Fellaini and Cabaye are as good as Scholes or Keane at their best, but they are high level players, both play for good international sides too. You can moan on about conspiracies and how f****d Off you'll be, but United with Fellaini, Baines and Cabaye and youngsters of great potential coming through, will make United a potent force.
Mik


21.) To talk to the player we need to have had a bid accepted so why are you accusing Moyes of lying? When has he ever said we have talked to Fabregas?
Invisible STuey


22.) Great. So we should be happy that we're bringing in some players who managed an impressive 6th last year. How's that improving the team. In fact we're no closer to signing Fellaini than we are Cesc. We could end up with nothing. Just keeping Rooney will seem like a result the way this transfer window has gone. Seriously disappointed in Moyes so far.


23.) You are right MIK. We can just accept everything and start moaning in 3-4-5 years about the fact than Real Madrid-Barcelona-Bayern take over as the biggest club in the world!

you can slash me if it make you feel better, but i'm not the worst here. Just sad that the club I love put themself in so many situation in the past.

I just don't understand why we have to settle for squad player when we don't have full starting eleven!

JLBER84


24.) Well said sambo, iv also been saying the same thing for over a month too. This may not actually be a new phenomina either. Its possible that sanchez and hazard were intentionally unrealised transfers too.

As far as this strange PR campaign goes, iv personally cooled down a bit, after being somewhat livid. In fairness it can be said that the club needs to be careful in their relationship with sponsors. It may be important to put on a show of ambition and strength, and that means the present situation might not just be about what the board want fans to think. They may be more worried about their investability. There is also the psychological aspect on the pitch. If united become thought of as a weakened club, particularly with new management, players might loose confidence when they come up against other big sides.

I don't think the approach is right, but I do think there are some justifications in its favour.

My comment to the board would be similar though. - There is no shame in not being able to compete transfer wise with football's oligarks.
If the board were honest to us fans, I think we would be more supportive of "alternative" transfer plans anyway, such as buying players like zaha's and developing them, or the signing of "kagawa's", - who is of course commercially valuable and a great talent. Its indeed disappointing when people within the club work against the people that are supporting it, both literally - and of course, financially too.

In busby's era, united didn't have a reputation and was the smaller manchester club. We had to become an innovative team back then too. United were the first big side to specialise in producing youth players. The fans reaction was not disapproving. It was appreciative. They took a great deal of pride in what we did back then, and eventually our footballing philosophy won worldwide respect. If we are successful with "alternative" transfer plans today, whether it be through youth, adapting talent from emerging countries, or refining already talented young players, we can earn just as much respect for any given footballing philiosophy today, as has always been the case. Sponsors had no trouble getting behind the likes of Geroge best, beckham or ronaldo afterall, and at their peak, they were all feared and admired by europes best. People can get behind any kind of approach if there is honesty and trust there, and corporations can get behind anyone that has become successful. Most importantly an honest approach would put the fans firmly behind the club and management, rather than at odds with it.

A united united will make a better club! Please be real with us.
Redwolf.


25.) MU would certainly not be talking to Cesc as that is tapping up. Very well worded by Cesc. I wouldn't expect him to say anything different being a Barcelona player. One more bid to come I think.

Sydney!


26.) It amazes me that people are getting upset about what's happened. Come on guys smell the coffee. When Woodward took over he stated we would not need any major changes in our team just a few minor adjustments. Now does that sound like Ronaldo is coming home or Bale is coming.
Of course its does not. Maybe Fellani or Baines but by todays standards are they what we need to close the gap on Madrid or Barca. A great big no I'm afraid. Just look at what all the other teams have done in the close season.
What have United done a £2 million unknown fullback. Its a disgrace.
It really does make you think what Fergie and Gill knew before they jumped ship. Fergie said he knew his targets. Was he told he could not sign them. So he said ok get on with it then I'm off. As soon as a team starts to too stand still then the decline is rapid. Look at the Scousers.
We have needed changes now for a few years we have decent squad players but not a great team. I know we have won the league I know we only lost on goal difference to the bitters the year before.
I have not forgot the showing up at Wembley against Barca. Or the mauling in Rome against Barca. That is when the rot started and it was not addressed. Some will say if Nani had not got sent off we would have won the E cup this year. Do you really think we could live with Bayern, in your dreams.
Anderson Cleverley Nani Vallencia
Wellbeck Young would not get into any of the top teams in Europe.
We need to address the midfield. We need class players not maybe's or has been's, We have enough of them. Can you imagine Giggs playing in Bayerns or Barcas first team now lol absoloutely not.
Evra has not been good enough for the last two years. Vidic and I think he's been great but injuries have took their toll.
Why have these issues been swept under the carpet.
Ok so what happens next.
Well the glazers are not spending any of OUR money they still have Ronaldos money in the war chest. So let's look at the youth we have. It will possibly be we win nothing for a few years. So be it. I am sick of losing young players because we do not give them a chance. Look at Pogba it would cost £30 million to get him back. I can understand how he felt when Fergie would not play him but brought back Scholes and continued to play Giggs, Cleverley and Anderson (if fit).
Yes we may sign a couple of run of the mill players this year we may not. We got RVP last year great won us the league probably but a factor may well have been the opposition were not that great

Until the glazers decide to call it a day I am afraid this is the future guys the teams with the sugar daddies will buy the great players.
Fair play your' having a laugh. There is always ways round it. When the bitters can get name sponsorship on a ground they do not own off their owners what hope is there.
I know some will not agree with me and everyone is entitled to their opinions but please guys open your eyes to what's happening.


27.) I suspect the Fabregas saga isn't quite over yet.


28.) In Busby's era we did not have a reputation. I have just picked myself up off the floor.
Have you really not heard of the famous Busby babes. The greatest young team ever assembled that contained the greatest player of them all Duncan Edwards. Only the Munich crash stopped total domination. You surely mean prior to the Busby era which was before the war, that was when City were better known. Do not forget that Busby took United into Europe. The first English team to do it. United also had a great team before the Babes so to say we were a second force to City is a joke. City to their credit let us use their ground brcause Old Trafford had been bombed.
No my friend when Busby was there we were second to no one.
I have a feeling that you probably think Cantona is Uniteds greatest ever player lol

I washed David Peggs car


29.) Can you honestly seeing Fergie inviting Moyes to his house. To tell him your the next manager of MUFC. Oh and by the way Moysie you will have no money to spend, that's why my self and David Gill are leaving. 2weeks left yet to transfer deadline. let's all moan after that if we don't sign anyone. Rooney to shine this year. Just not sure who for.

Rock The Red


30.) "The whole summer seems like a PR stunt to me. No talks at all with Thiago Alcantra it seems, posturing over Fabregas and nothing more, these Ronaldo rumours - its all rubbish and a PR stunt.
How soon will we see "MOYES OUT" banners at Old Trafford and away games?"

Disgraceful. Call yourself a red?


31.) Im just wondering if this was the case then why didn't Fabregas come out and say he's happy earlier?! It doesn't add up!

Adz


32.) Fabregas could be a smokescreen for the CR7 deal. No-one gave us a chance of signing RvP but we pulled it off. The homecoming of CR7 would be the ideal replacement for Rooney and it would appease the sceptics.


33.) "One more bid to come I think.

Sydney!" - What? The player has said he wants to stay at Barca, we have even made a statement respectign his decision. What on earth makes you think we will make another bid? No Strootman, no Garay, no Baines, no Fellaini, no Fabregas, no Ronaldo. We are going to sign players, and I really thought Thiago would be one, however I have said against the grain we won't sign any of the above and I still stick by it. i'm still expecting two signings and relative surprises. I think Bale would have been a serious target but it seems the price is sky high and he has set his heart, like Modric before him on Madrid. The player I would like us to move for is Koke for central midfield but still dotn read of any interest from any party at all which surprises me the money pinging about this summer.
Invisible STuey


34.) We're not standing still. Rooney is loitering by the door marked 'exit' and his leaving will make us immeasurably weaker. Like Pogba last season, he cannot be replaced.

Only positive of Rooney leaving will be the Glazers having another £40m to splurge on fast cars and houses!

If English Clubs under perform in Europe again, we could be looking at a downgrade to only 3 qualifiers. Sorry, guys, we'll be battling it out with the usual suspects. Not what my club deserve!


35.) To 'I washed David Peggs car', you took the words our of my mouth, I think you picked yourself up off the floor before me!

And to Sydney!. I would have agreed, what else could Fabrigas have said, until I read the statement from United. I think this particular chase is over.

J - Stand


36.) "I washed David Peggs car"

If your going to take the time to post about someones comment, - please read it in full before doing so.

Yes thank you for pointing out that busby's era was a dynamic one. Forgive me for a technical mistake in trying to write quickly.

Had you read the post properly, you would have understood the "reputation" I was talking about refers to the reputation of manchester united before busby arrived and during his early years in the 1940's. The point describes how we went from being a team with no reputation, to one that boasted the talent of the busby babes. - and even what was actually a superior side, - the 1950's team, a decade before.

Matt busby's legacy, as you have correctly pointed out in referring to the busby babes, was in the production of youth talent, and that was something that began a long time before, in the late 40's and early 50's when united did not have the reputation they eventually had by 1968. The point is that this was an "alternative" transfer policy. It was necessary in the 1940's, because we were not one of the status quo at that time. -We had to do something different.

The policy, again, as you point out, was very successful, - well received and highly respected around the world by united fans and neutrals alike.

The meaning of the post is to say that the board can use alternative transfer policies, just like we did in the 50's and 60's - (the idea of youth development was very new at that time. ) The board do not have to be afraid to admit that we do not have the same funds as our rivals. It may be slightly damaging in the short run, but in the long run, success using any transfer policy will allow us to remain the giants we are today, both on and off the pitch. Best, beckham and ronaldo are all good evidence of the brand strength united can have without signing marquee players. My opinion is simply that it would be better to acknowledge that we are going to be competing "creatively" from now on, so that fans can develop a sense of pride in doing so - as we had in the 50's and 60's. If we were to sign someone like kondogbia from sevilla, for example, wouldn't it be better if we were able to collectively get behind that player and support them, rather than them being seen as a disappointing alternative to fabregas? Confidence plays a big role in success, and its difficult for a football team to have that when its own fans are not fully behind the players tasked with winning major trophies.

redwolf


 

 

 

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05 Aug 2013 10:04:12
My take on all the transfer inactivity at MUFC.
I think that the closer to the end of the window that we get with no signings, we will then sign Fellaini and that will be met with a "phew" and relief from fans. So at least we signed someone. Fellaini is better than no additions right? Which is how its looking now.
People will say, "you don't know what's happening behind the scenes" but realistically, what options are there. Fabregas is not for sale, Modric won't leave Real, Ronaldo is after to much money, Bale will go to Real Madrid.
So basically we need world class re-inforcements but our options are dwindling fast.

I also think, this could have been the plan from the off for Moyes and Co. Be seen to be trying for the worlds best players, knowing we have NO CHANCE of signing them.

im not a City or Liverpool fan, but a mufc fan of many years. Just looking at things in a different light.

Cheers

Sambo

1.) Ive thought the same sambo you are on the money


2.) Agreed with this post.

DM is famous for working on a tight budget that's why we got him FACT
If we had of got Pep or Mour. We would have great players and had to spend money but the board knew we had a tight budget so Moyes it was that was picked.

Unless there are some Stellar marquee signings it won't change. We are the candy shop that boast a fantastic window but not much to offer inside.


3.) You moan about us not signing players then admit there aren't many options.
you claim we are purposely going after players we have no chance of getting just so fans are happy when we sign fellaini?
are you being serious?
What is moyes expected to do? people like you moan about us being man united and that we should be buying the best players but then claim some kind of conspiracy when other clubs don't want to sell us their best players! I understand why a few people are getting anxious but like you said there aren't many options or perhaps you'd rather just spend £millions on players who aren't going to improve us? you'd moan about that too. Moyes knows what's needed but like iv said before signing the best players is a lot more complex than buying a loaf of bread! and as for al


4.) You are absolutely right. Every day passes by with no signings, makes Fellaini move looks acceptable.
I am not against Fellaini, I think he will do a job, but do we seriously think our team will compete in midfiled against the likes of City, Chelsea and Bayern, Real and Barca.
Anyone thinks so, are deluded.
Before I get the we are champions bit, last year, chelsea and city had in house fighting etc. This is not the case anymore. We will not compete this year unless we can sign some top midfielders.


5.) STOP! All this pessimism. We ARE repeat ARE about to announce our signings very shortly. A lot of things HAVE been going on behind the scenes Mr Woodward has been busy ensuring we get the players David Moyes has pinpointed. All will be revealed VERY soon. Very Very reliable source who would be dismissed should he name names, but he knows of at least TWO!


 

 

22 Jul 2013 14:52:32
Just reading Mourinhos comments on Ronaldos link with us. Basically saying Real won't let it happen. Even if Ronaldo wanted it to. Surely Real owe us something. We let them have Beckham, Ruud, Heinze, Ronaldo. The first three were very cheap too if memory serves right. So we must have had built a good relationship with them over the years. about time they stopped taking and gave something back!

Sambo

 

 

19 Jul 2013 10:53:55
I keep seeing it. but never understanding it.

Why is everyone referring to Cleverly as "The brand"?

Sambo

1.) 19 Jul 2013 11:19:44
Because our 'supporters' are trying to mug off our own home grown players. Like they did we Evans before he proved them all wrong.


2.) Kloot I think started it. In the same way ronaldo is CR7 ie his own brand our very own tom cleverly started a fan site for himself wit tge name TC23 so another brand if you get my drift. Note I do note call him the brand I just seeing kloot point this out before so that is how I know.

CAIN88 the new brand

CAIN


3.) It is because he is more focused on his clothing range etc instead of developing as a footballer. Rio Ferdinand and Ronaldo both have brands but actually waited til they reached a certain level.


4.) Like CAIN said, it's a little sad really.

Regards,

HB for Men


5.) I wish ppm would show respect to our players.


 

 

12 Jul 2013 10:36:39
Can anyone tell me anything about Julian Draxler, the type of player he is? Potential? Ability? Do we have any interest in him?

Thanks

Sambo

1.) Draxler plays AM, mainly on the left for Schalke, he's 19 or 20 and has made a couple of Internationals for Germany, even scoring against U. S. A. seems a good player and great prospect. As we have an abundance of prospects don't really see he offers us much. Having said that he will progress to a world-beater :) just to prove me wrong.


2.) I personally think that Julian Draxler is the biggest talent in Germany, potentially better than Gotze and Reus.


 

 

 

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Rednev, you say all we have is negativity. Zaha aside and the other youngsters what have been the positives. Bear in mind we are talking transfer dealings here. We have all been led to believe we are after the best players in the world. Yet its all talk isn't it? I sincerely hope I am wrong, but the longer this goes on the more worrying it is.
The league will not be the problem, I think we will finish 2nd or 3rd, but the Champions League we will struggle. Other elite teams have strengthened significantly as Diatribe stated above.

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What is worrying me is that David Moyes has said, we are "trying" to do some business. Seems like Fergies old saying "we tried but. " when talking about Villa. Seems we are seen to be going for players, but we never seem to go ALL OUT to get them. Alexis Sanchez once said the reason he chose Barca was because of a personal call from Guardiola. Its that extra mile we don't seem to do. hence all of the players mentioned in the above post have slipped through the net.

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Just for arguments sake, let's suggest this was true. i'd say that once again it "looks" like we were in for these players. Falcao, Cavani, Lewandowski, etc. It reminds me of Fergies admission that we went for David Villa, but he was always going to Barcelona. Its the whole "we tried but. " scenario.
I would love to think I am wrong, but it just seems a familiar thing. We get linked with Cavani, just as fee is accepted with Chelsea. I know we are on verge of signing Thiago, and yes he is class, but he is only £18m and that's why we went for him. Would we have if he was £30m+?

I think the list of players we want or need is dwindling now so will be interesting to see what we actually do pull off. The Ronaldo talk will fizzle out into nothing, as Perez apparently came out again last night talking of Ronny staying till retirement etc. Jury still out on Strootman. So who are our targets now? Garay, Gaintan, Di Maria?

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I don't think there was ever any possibility of it really! Sad as it is to say, I think Ronaldo was only ever after the big pay day at Real. You have to remember he is very much interested in personal accolades. His "sadness" was apparently due to Reals lack of support in obtaining the Ballon D'or. Which Messi has beaten him to for the past 4 years. So to be able to now say he would be the best paid player in the world is obviously a bit of a victory in hie eyes.

I could be, and hope I am wrong though.

Sambo

 

 

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Natural replacements were James Rodriguez, Jesus Navas maybe, Gaitan perhaps or Bale.

seems the out and out wingers are becoming few and far between.

I would have sold Young before Nani though, and with Zaha coming in we should be ok. Depends on what formation Moyes decides to adopt.

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CAIN I think you need to realise, or at least accept that's how football has gone now. People don't do it for the "love" and "loyalty". You can count on one hand the one club career players. Its their job as players, they are going to want the best deal. Who wouldn't. So to subsidise living in The Wet North West, rather than Monaco, or Paris, Barca or Madrid we need to pay through the nose now. Especially if we want to continue to attract the Elite level players that as fans we think we should be.

Failing that, we could go for the players who "want" to play for us. but who are they. realistically?

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How can you say the Thiago deal would be a kick up the ar$e? when the past 5 years we have missed out on Falcoa, Sneijder, Moura, Hazard, Silva, Villa, Sanchez to name a few. I appreciate the different reasons we let them slip through the net but if you want top talent you have to pay top dollar and I think people now need to realise that this won't happen. I hate to admit it as much as the next fan, but Moyes has already defended this by saying "MUFC will always be close to top players, but a big part is to bring youth through" in essence "close" means linked and "youth" means no major moves.

I may, and I hope I am wrong, but we need top quality, and I think we will bring in Baines, Fellaini and one other. In my opinion not the level we should be looking at.

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I don't think Ozil would be that good in the premier league. I have watched him, and early on he struggled to play 90 mins. I know he runs and runs for the time he is on the pitch, but Spanish football is nowhere near the pace and physicality of the EPL. So I think he would struggle. {Ed004's Note - I disagree Ozil is a lot fitter now. He is also better than Silva, Mata etc and they're fine in the premiership}

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I think what Ronaldo would bring to the team would more than cover what Valencia, Nani, Young, and Cleverley have contributed this year. Ronaldo scores 30 a season guaranteed and his assists are up there too. He may well limit us as you say ED, but I think the aforementioned players limited us more. Give the ball to them and it was end of move. If it wasn't for RVP getting us out of sticky patches time and time again we would have struggled. So Ronaldo coming to us, may be like Neymar going to Barca. Gives opposition more than one focal point to defend against

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Ed004 - do you really think Fellaini would be so bad? I mean surely he is a better more versatile (position wise, not movement) option than Cleverly, Anderson, Scholes, Fletcher etc. Forget the money side, surely he could bring something different to the side. IF we opted to go for him as apposed to the other targets? {Ed004's Note - I would honestly rather start Cleverley ahead of Fellaini as atleast I know with Cleverley we will play football on the ground, he is not a liability and he will work extremely hard both on and off the ball. Though I think Fellaini is a better player I do not think he suits the United style of play}

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