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30 May 2025 06:36:19
Delap going chelsea, Arsenal in talks for Sesko. leaves the field wide open for us to sign Gyokeres. A man can dream I suppose ?.
1.) 30 May 2025 09:16:32
I have a weird feeling Liverpool will get rid of Nuñez and sign him.
2.) 30 May 2025 09:48:36
The striker market is probably the toughest market to be needing to buy a player for this summer.
Lots of teams looking to add a striker, domestically Liverpool are also looking for a striker as well as Chelsea and Arsenal. All three able to offer high wages and UCL football.
There are several high profile teams on the continent also looking for a striker this summer. While there are very few genuine top class strikers who aren't already at a top club and could be available this summer.
Realistically you have Gyökeres and Osimhen as proven top quality strikers. Beyond them you are either moving down a bracket or you are looking at players with the potential but not the proven ability across multiple seasons.
Players like Mateta, David, Retegui, Schick, and Wissa.
Or players with potential like Sesko, Delap, Ekitike, or Samuel Aghehowa.
Osimhen I've voiced a few concerns on in the past, his cost will be massive, while he has had a chequered history both in terms of injuries and with falling out with people at his clubs.
Gyökeres has been a phenomenon over the past couple of years, but has never played in one of Europes top five leagues. Will his scoring prowess convert from Liga Nos to the EPL? I rate Portugal as a great league to prove yourself in before moving to the EPL. Far more hits than misses coming from Portugal. Yet he's 27 and if he's available it's because other top clubs have passed up on him for some reason. It'd be interesting to know why they didn't go for him.
I was hoping we'd get Delap and maybe David on a free. I liked the idea of signing a player with EPL experience and a more experienced player to give us some depth. While Delap is now off the table we could still go for David which makes more sense than ever now. Then we could maybe look at finding a promising young striker to sign instead of Delap, although they will likely cost a fair bit more than what Delap was available for, which probably means we miss out on another signing somewhere else.
3.) 30 May 2025 18:27:22
I wasn’t sure on Delap and felt if went for him we need a more experienced forward to rotate.
Personally I’d go Kane, Osimhen or Gyokeres even if they might be a out of reach.
4.) 31 May 2025 10:08:23
Utd Road, the thing with Delap is that he was pretty much a free hit. As a 22 year old English homegrown player his value will pretty much always remain high.
If you sign him for 30m, and on reasonable wages to a 5 year contract then that amortizes at around 6m a year. Meaning that after two years 12m of his fee has been amortised and his book value is now at 18m. Which is the figure you'd need to sell him for at that point to breakeven on the books.
Meaning that if you sign him this summer, he has two years to prove he can step up and develop to the level needed to be first choice.
If after two years it's clear he isn't going to become good enough to be first choice you have two options.
1. Keep him as a squad player to cover for the first choice striker.
Or
2. Sell him, with you only needing someone to pay 18m for a then 24 year old English homegrown player. You'll easily get at least that if not more from most mid-table EPL clubs.
Effectively he's a signing in a position of need right now, but due to his age and the fee we'd have to pay even if he doesn't work out we will at least breakeven on the deal or even make a small profit. While he has the potential to become our first choice striker for the next 7-8 years.
It would have been a great and very sensible deal to do if we were able to convince him to join. I agree that I'd still have liked to see us being in an older more experienced striker alongside him. Which is why I've suggested signing Jonathan David on a free, a deal that could equally be as good as the Delap one as if David hasn't worked out in a couple of years time you can still sell him on for a profit. Although he might be slightly harder to sell as his wages will be higher given his age and that he'd be signing on a Bosman.
We not only need to sign quality players who improve us, we need to make smarter signings that offer greater value for money.
5.) 01 Jun 2025 20:30:05
It’s only a free hit with a back up experienced forward.
We need to guarantee 15-20 goals from a Centre Forward. Delap can’t offer that in the current environment. I’m pretty sure we will get someone decent given the importance.
I’m also not sure we can hold his value given our passed history.
22 Apr 2025 12:03:00
Looks like we're moving early for cunha. Good addition if it happens.
1.) 22 Apr 2025 20:05:08
He’s looked alright the few times I’ve seen him. Although I’ve not seen much. Enough decent teams were reportedly interested to suggest he’s decent.
Would fit nicely into the left 10 role.
That being said, I’ll believe it when I see him holding the shirt and a signed contract. Too many times we’ve been told about signings that are close that never happen.
Could mean the end of Garnacho, but I’d prefer him to stay and be an impact sub for the most part.
2.) 22 Apr 2025 20:16:25
Yep a signing that actually makes sense and for a reasonable ish fee and has a couple years of premier league experience.
Someone like Mbeumo for the other 10 position would be ideal but doubt we have the funds for that this summer as well as signing a striker.
3.) 22 Apr 2025 20:52:27
Weren’t we linked with him 2 years ago for about £35M from Atletico? Seem to remember it getting ridiculed at the time as he wasn’t seen as good enough.
4.) 22 Apr 2025 21:19:09
I think the issue in previous years may have been as we classed as a full on striker, and not sure he was performing that well in that role.
Since moving to wolves he seems to have morphed into a wide attacker or number 10, which seems to suit him more and hence the improved performances.
He’s far from world class, but he would be an upgrade on what we currently have in those spots. Well on paper anyway. We’ve signed players many times before that make sense on paper, but often fail to deliver. Fingers crossed this will be different, if he ends up signing.
5.) 23 Apr 2025 05:22:27
He ain’t no world beater, that’s for sure, but is an upgrade and should suit RA, I guess it’s a matter of are the hierarchy going to upgrade now and then upgrade again and try take baby steps forward or will they pay more and go up more levels and try get to the destination faster.
For me it should always be about best in class in last 2 years that was Kane and Rice, we ignored them
So we have no choice but to go with RA and his employers with the direction they want, but certainly RA must be given the tools and if one of them is Cunha then fine, after all ETH was given the dross he wanted.
6.) 23 Apr 2025 07:44:45
Cunha is a serious upgrade on what we have and he plays in the RA system already. Not sure what others define as world beater but he's the best player in the most in form team in the league, and consistently performs for them against the top sides.
7.) 23 Apr 2025 08:19:03
Cunha looks 100% the right player for what we need now and the situation we are in.
He is 25 so coming into his prime years, not a young player so will add experience. He has some nastyness to him which I am certain we will have issues with at times but will add some grit and desire to the team.
Plays in a position that we keep saying we need an upgrade in so will not need an adaptation period to the system, has 2 years of a certain level of success in the premier league.
Feels right player right time to me.
8.) 23 Apr 2025 09:24:40
The reported fee seems a little excessive, but he’d be a great addition to the team. As other have said, he fits the manager’s system far better than any of our current attacking players.
Let’s just hope that the manager’s system comes good.
9.) 23 Apr 2025 12:32:09
Looks a good player. But united in recent years has turned into a graveyard for once decent players.
So even if he does come, does he lift it or will we end up adding him to a long list of players that look good before joining us?
10.) 23 Apr 2025 14:14:29
Liverpool fan here. I'd be gutted if you got Cunha, seems very well suited to that 10 role in RAs system.
11.) 25 Apr 2025 16:55:20
He isn't a big name "world beater", but then when have any of those we have signed ever paid off anyway?
What I like is that he's EPL proven, done very well in a poor to average Wolves side.
He's physical, has a bit of a edge to him, and is tactically as close to a perfect fit for Amorim's system as we could find.
That for me is what is exciting. You can see that we are signing players who fit a vision, rather than a flashy name that'll sell a few more shirts and keep the sponsors happy.
12.) 26 Apr 2025 05:50:16
Have to agree Shappy, like I said he is no world beater and not top shelf, but it’s where we are shopping these days, but if RA thinks he is what he needs than that’s good enough for me, but of course I got shot down for saying such a thing, but sure your get a love in from a certain individual for saying it…. funny old world.
22 Jan 2025 08:56:40
Garnacho to napoli looking a real possibility now. Very much doubt we would sell to Chelsea.
1.) 22 Jan 2025 10:37:03
If it does happen, we need to be holding out for at least 70 mill, after what we paid for Hoijlund maybe more. Personally I hope it doesn't, as for me he is far down the list of players that add no value to the team. Equally though I understand we need money in to facilitate Amorims team build and unfortunately others aren't seeing value in Rashford.
2.) 22 Jan 2025 10:50:06
Not sure how I feel about this. Disappointing for me IMO. Could be a romantic view but I really think he has enough about him to crack on. But if it's what RA wants, well then who am I to argue.
3.) 22 Jan 2025 11:37:34
It is dissapointing from the perspective of him being a youngster that we have nurtured all be it we brought him in from Athletico. Also, the talent is there and we have seen this sporadically over the past 18 months. However, there is also a view that like Rashford he is more of a highlights reel player and the overall impact in the game is not as great. Add this to the thought that he does not fit the 343 system and it might be right to maximise his value and sell.
Personally would prefer that be to Napoli than Chelsea and it sounds like he is open/ keen on that move. If we can get anything close to £50/ 55m the it will be too good to turn down, earlier in the window I had viewed him more £40m but with some of the sales including Kvaratskhelia from Napoli likely it will need to be more for us to sell.
It will be interesting what we do if he leaves, Antony already gone on loan and Rashford likely by end of the window. Hopefully there are some deals being worked on for incomings whether on loan or permanent.
4.) 22 Jan 2025 12:44:27
He really isn’t that good, £50m in full profit will allow us to buy 2 or 3 players that improve the squad, can see why the club are open to it. Amorim dropped Garna and Rashford for the derby to give them a kick
Up the arse and both of them have shown they aren’t up for the fight.
5.) 22 Jan 2025 13:41:30
Napoli will not pay that much. I can't see us getting more than £50m anywhere at this time. If Amorim wants wing backs rather than wings then maybe he's not the right profile however talented he may or may not be.
6.) 22 Jan 2025 13:44:07
Funny how 12 months ago he was our future now because we can get a couple of new shiny players. he's not that good! i'm sure with the clubs track record the new faces will be aces.
7.) 22 Jan 2025 14:02:27
Not a good sign, selling a HG player with a lot of potential whilst struggling to remove a player on massive wages that we want rid of doesn't sit well. I read into this, the club as desperate for cash.
8.) 22 Jan 2025 19:34:33
I'm still on the fence over whether we should sell Garnacho. However, if we do we need to be realistic. Anything around 50m would be a great deal in the current market.
We are seeing tighter financial regulations along with clubs feeling the impact of the pandemic leading to more sensible decisions, combine to see fees dropping around Europe. It will be quite a while before we see players going for north of 100m again.
Garnacho is young and talented, a player with potential. Yet if we are honest not many talented young players leave a club like Manchester United to go on and become a top top player.
While Napoli see Garnacho as a potential replacement for Kvaratskhelia, who himself is only 23 but must be considered amongst the very best LW players in the world right now. A genuine world class talent. A player who has just been sold to PSG for a reported 70m euros which equates to around 59m pounds.
If Kvaratskhelia is worth 59m, then we cannot be valuing Garnacho much above 50m, he isn't at the same level and it is questionable if he has the ability to reach the same level. Even if he does he's likely years away from getting to that level.
There is no point comparing what we have paid for players as some sort of barometer as to what we should expect to get for him.
50m for a player we got for practically nothing, who has potential, but has also shown some worrying signs of mental fragility at times, while also not having a natural position in the team so would require some adapting to become a regular player is actually a great deal.
Right now he isn't a starter, and there is no guarantee that he will ever become a starter. If his sale enables us to buy 2 or even 3 starters then it starts to become a very logical decision.
Look at the impact Amad is having this season. That's the kind of impact a player who is well suited can have on the team.
Would you swap Garnacho for another three players who can match the impact of Amad?
9.) 22 Jan 2025 20:09:55
You should bite someone's hand off for 50 million imo. Very average player maybe worth about 25mil I'd say.
10.) 22 Jan 2025 21:33:34
Maybe something like £55m + incentives to give us a few quid further down the road? I do like him, he’s very direct and is a great impact sub when opposition is flagging. But if there is a target or two who would fit into this side immediately it should be done IMO.
11.) 22 Jan 2025 21:55:06
Spenno, name me a club that would pay 55m+ for Garnacho over Kvaratskhelia for 59m?
One is a player with potential, the other a genuine world class player who is still only 23.
That's like paying the same for a pile of car parts and a Ferrari.
One has the potential to be a Ferrari, but the other already IS a Ferrari.
If Kvaratskhelia is worth 59m in the current market, than Garnacho is worth around 45m at most. If we get more than that then we've done well in the current market.
To be honest if we want the maximum price then it'll have to be Chelsea we sell to as EPL clubs have significantly stronger finances and are about the only clubs that can afford to over pay for players.
12.) 22 Jan 2025 23:11:44
I think Garnacho has not progressed because he has not had a proper coach. Conte is no fool and he wouldn't fork out £50m for no good reason. I fear we will sell Garnacho and then in a year or so wish wevhadnt.
13.) 23 Jan 2025 00:35:07
Well he would probably thrive in the Italian league just like Mctominay is but selling him wasn’t a mistake either.
14.) 23 Jan 2025 05:56:06
Good young player and not great and not from our academy. We got the boy at 17 from Spain. He is average in build up play. we can do better.
15.) 23 Jan 2025 08:46:18
Kvaratshkelia is by no means world class. He's good but not world class.
16.) 23 Jan 2025 14:02:04
Shappy, Kvaratshkelia's price was 'low' as his contract is short. By the end of the season he'd be able to sign a pre-contract for another club.
Need to dig a little beyond the obvious and ask why sometimes.
17.) 23 Jan 2025 14:56:24
Speaking of fees city seem to have opened the purse and spending big. they will miss qualification for the next phase of cl if they don't win their last game and finish outside the top 24. Would love to see that. given where they are coming from their season is worst than our so far.
18.) 24 Jan 2025 14:19:14
Ahmad,
It really isn’t though is it, they are 5th in the league, 12 off the top, we are 13th in the league 12 off 19th, you’ll struggle to convince me our season has been better than theirs.
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30 Jul 2025 09:08:50
So luke shaw says there's no more stragglers left in the squad. Buy a mirror mate, you might see that's not the case. If you can fit yourself in view that is.
1.) 30 Jul 2025 09:38:13
Harsh.
2.) 30 Jul 2025 12:54:11
I don't think its harsh at all spenno. Shaw has been a passenger for several years.
He looks trimmer and fitter in think that goes for all the team.
Im not sure where Shaw fits. It would be great if someone came in for him.
Decent player when fit and available as a lb but I'm not sure he had the capability to play lwb for prolonged periods.
A drain on finances for little or no return the epitome of a straggler.
3.) 30 Jul 2025 13:18:19
I know he's a passenger. Still harsh. Maybe I'm a too easy going.
4.) 30 Jul 2025 13:32:55
TBF if he could only stay fit he could make LWB a regular starting place, he is better there than anything else we got, but he just can’t get a dozen games in a row, which is a shame, so hopefully someone comes in for him, but I can’t see it, so hopefully he stays fit, but won’t hold my breath
But when fit and a run of games under his belt he is a very good player.
5.) 30 Jul 2025 15:05:54
Of all people to say that…. luke shaw. Probably be injured most of the season then magically fit again for England. Prove me wrong Luke lol.
6.) 30 Jul 2025 15:21:50
Can't stay fit and his time is up and has been for a while. need him off wage bill tbh.
7.) 30 Jul 2025 16:49:23
Its a World Cuo year, Shaw will be more available than normal.
8.) 30 Jul 2025 16:50:47
World Cup year.
9.) 30 Jul 2025 17:17:16
To be fair to Shaw, if he’s injured, he’s injured. He suffered a horrendous leg break and although that was a long time ago, I suspect has impacted his career and contributed to the regular injuries he’s suffered and I don’t think it’s any secret United’s medical staff over this period have been pretty poor so perhaps he never got the support, treatment and recovery he needed. I like Shaw, I don’t think he’s a problem like some players but it’s frustrating that he’s on a big contract and we’ve never got our money’s worth from him.
10.) 30 Jul 2025 19:34:27
Ports
Agreed
To be fair Shaw nearly lost his leg playing for us. The mental and physical challenge that must have given him would have been immense.
Lots of ups and downs and perhaps weight issues. Stupid contracts by the previous idiots were not his fault.
Would be good if Saudi called, but if RA can keep his fire burning and away from the treatment table he isn’t an early name in the get rid list.
11.) 31 Jul 2025 04:37:15
We have 2 wing backs in the squad who are much better than Luke Shaw would be there Maze, written Dorgu off already? He’s been fantastic in pre season.
12.) 31 Jul 2025 07:03:38
If you’re directing that at me and you still got your fetish about Maze, but I will answer it…… I have not written Dorgu off, where have I said that? What I have said is if Shaw could Stay fit and get a good run of games under his belt he is probably better there than what we have in the squad, I can only go on what my eyes have seen and looking at performances I have seen from Shaw over the years and the performances I seen from Dorgu so far, Shaw is in front of him IF FIT and HEALTHY
Of course Dorgu might go on to be fantastic but he been anything but so far
Of course you can wear your red tints and say we have world beaters because they looked so great in preseason 3 games, that’s just you all over.
27 Jul 2025 19:08:53
Sesko looks newcastle bound. Another option likely to be struck from the list.
1.) 27 Jul 2025 21:49:44
Says who?
2.) 28 Jul 2025 16:29:26
That's why they tell you to leave it too the pro's. They bruise a toe and get head to toe massage
We bruise a toe and the wife calls you a big baby the garden needs trimming and 2 steps in the door
DID YE WASH YOUR BOOTS " I HOPE YOUR NOT WALKING ALL OVER ME FLOOR.
Then when your prepped for it tell her your going the pub with the lads and wobble going out the door. we men know we must come back on the front door the same way we walked out it.
26 Jul 2025 12:42:39
Clicked post before finishing.
Then they have the likes of Palmer also.
As soon as any attacker mentions wanting to leave they bid.
Obviously they will sell but still it seems dodgy as hell to me. They're almost human trafficking at this point lol.
1.) 26 Jul 2025 15:38:29
But there is a sound principle to Chelsea's recruitment strategy - value.
They are signing lots of young players with great potential on these contracts, and have bought wisely getting plenty of players who had broken through early at previous clubs, thus giving them the richness of experience not reached by most other players until 2 or 3 years later - that experience blended with youthful athleticism and robustness, combined with many more levels to come, makes these investments very clever indeed.
Then, into the equation, comes Palmer - a player of incredible ability who was just starting to show his class at City. United would have seen that and should have done what Chelsea did - make a bloody move. But no, instead we spent £55m on Mount while they got a better player with a much higher ceiling for £12.5m less - they clever, we stupid.
There's a part of me that would like the idea of them being suspicious actually having merit, but I really just think they're boxing clever within the confines of financial obligations.
26 Jul 2025 12:41:31
Forget city, chelsea seem very very dodgy to me.
They have a billion attackers, and I presume the signing of 8year plus contracts allows them to stay within PSR?
Obviously they've earned a lot this year from Europe and club world cup but this is beyond a joke.
They've signed Pedro, gittens, delap. They now want Yildiz and Simons.
Add in neto, Felix, Jackson, estevao, nkunku.
1.) 26 Jul 2025 16:37:19
Not any more with the 8 year contracts. They found a loophole that has been closed. They are genius at making money available. i'm sure I've read they sold the women's team, a hotel and a couple of carparks to themselves and made good money.
Will be interesting to see how they do now they manage their finances in the next few years as they have used up their get out of jail cards.
2.) 26 Jul 2025 19:30:37
I think they changed PSR to allow only 5 years of the players contract to be included.
25 Jul 2025 14:03:50
Douglas Luiz available and Juve want Sancho, something should be done there if those upstairs have any sense.
Also it's time to make moves on a striker. If Isak does indeed join Liverpool we will need to move quick if we want Sesko as Newcastle would be a very good option for him also.
1.) 25 Jul 2025 15:04:33
Doesnt suit what Amorim wants in midfield at all and that's before you consider his partner would be Bruno.
Lacks the athleticism and defensive reading of the gane. Amorims CM pairing have to be athletic enough to cover the wide positions as well as join the press whilst also covering the Middle of the pitch with the back 3. The ideal player for Amorim is a player that out of possession is just abl to read the game and understand exactly where he neefs to be to disrupt an opposition attack
Conversely they tend not to be expansive passers, recycling and retaining possession to the WB a lot whilst rarely carrying or going long, even Hjulmand didn't do a lot of this under Amorim but if you did want someone to do this you already have Bruno there who is also weaker in exactly the same areas. Hjulmand defensively reads the game very very well
In effect i don't see how Luis can be anything other than a Bruno understudy and given no Europe and Bruno rarely being injured.
2.) 25 Jul 2025 15:09:48
They could buy Secko and Garnacho.
3.) 25 Jul 2025 15:41:43
Oakbark - Only amorim knows what type of player he's after in the midfield area.
4.) 25 Jul 2025 15:47:21
Luiz a bruno understudy? Do you even watch football? He's nothing like bruno.
5.) 25 Jul 2025 15:32:39
We might get Lehmann in the ladies team though. She's very talented.
22 Jul 2025 15:34:48
Funnily enough I think that would be karma biting him in the ass.
26 Jun 2025 12:55:37
Very highly doubt he'll be going barcelona.
21 Jun 2025 15:55:06
Don't expect to see mount leave.
11 Jun 2025 23:19:43
He did very well in the very physical end to end english championship. Which in theory would point to a high chance of being able to hack it in the EPL.
However so did mitrovic but he was never able to replicate his form in the championship when in the PL. So I get the doubt in some fans minds.
11 Jun 2025 23:16:03
Doubt osimhen would be cheaper. Demanding huge wages and after the season he's had I think napoli would still demand north of 50-60 million.
25 Jul 2025 15:47:21
Luiz a bruno understudy? Do you even watch football? He's nothing like bruno.
24 Jul 2025 15:19:45
German you are so bitter to the south american contingent in our squad it seems.
Martinez when fit and on form is in the top 5 in the league for me. He's just rarely fit, so I do think it's his last season unfortunately unless he stays fit all season.
23 Jul 2025 11:30:38
I'd be looking at aghehowa.
18 Jul 2025 14:47:07
What I honestly don't understand is the elanga transfer. Yes he's been good but Murphy outperformed him last season, so hardly an upgrade.
11 Jul 2025 11:14:47
The same gibbs white who's only managed 18 goals at forest. In 3 seasons. In all competitions. Not a chance he can replace bruno.