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28 Oct 2021 08:12:29
Hello,
I think the available managers are not a big upgrade for MU right now. Every good manager is already under contract.
I have seen that Antero Henrique is available for Director of Football. Could be an interesting move for us. Hope Glazers will consider this scenario in their meeting.
1.) 28 Oct 2021 09:09:44
Having just hired Murtagh and Fletcher for DoF and TD roles I don't see them changing them anytime soon. For me they missed the boat and should have got VDS and Overmars back when they decided that the solution to fixing the rot was to look in house.
The reality is that even with the dividends the owners receive, and the huge repayments in the debt, and the seeming total focus on increasing revenue via sponsorship the fact remains that the club have made available an average of 140m every summer for transfers since Sir Alex retired.
Over a billion spent we should have one of if not the best squad in the league.
The reality is that it has been poorly spent by people who don't know what they are doing and are just playing fantasy football with our club.
Under LvG and Jose the club spent nearly 700m, yet will any of those players be key first 11 players under the next manager?
700m for at best we a few squad players.
We needed the expertise of footballing professionals and what we have is investment bankers, accountants and ex players with no experience beyond kicking a ball.
At Ajax they hire ex-players, yet they often go to University and study for degrees before taking a role, they work alongside more experienced people to gain the knowledge before they are handed the keys to the kingdom.
Edwin van Der Sar took a master's degree in sports and brand management as well as his coaching badges. Giving him a understanding of a player, a coach and business BEFORE he was given a job as Marketing director, he then did well at that job before moving up to CEO.
What has Fletcher done?
2.) 28 Oct 2021 09:28:01
George
You don’t think Conte would be a big upgrade on Ole? Seriously
Steve Bruce would be an upgrade.
3.) 28 Oct 2021 09:48:43
Murtough's job is to impart a philosophy on the club, but how much impact does his role have though.
4.) 28 Oct 2021 11:19:38
Red Man
As a manager Conte is a lot better than Ole ofc. But our squad and philosophy as a team in not in line with Conte's tactics. We don't have the time to rebuild the squad for him, so I prefer a manager who likes attacking football and knows how to implement it on the pitch.
5.) 28 Oct 2021 12:01:59
Dont know if its true or not but I read when Fletcher was appointed his kid (s) were at Citys academy -doesnt look great if true considering his position.
30 May 2021 18:58:06
Would love to see Dean no1 next season, Tom Heaton no2 and a younger one for no3. Differences between De Gea and Dean are minimal, both made mistakes and good games, too. But De Gea's contract is not in accordance with his appearances, that's why I want him to leave. His money should be invested in a fast-paced CB, a CDM and RW.
P.S: Martial and Pogba are the two others I want them out, too.
1.) 30 May 2021 21:52:36
No confidence in any of our keepers. Sell both bring in Oblak easy as 123.
2.) 30 May 2021 22:03:10
George
My concern was Henderson’s positioning for Salahs goal at OT, very very poor to be honest. I am not sure he is No1 for us material. I think it was Keane who made a point about his size and that he looked small and was not dominating. I have some doubts over Dean.
3.) 30 May 2021 23:07:29
Henderson isn't going to be good enough, and he won't get to the level DeGea was at when he was at his best for us, I don't feel, so if we can sell both and re-invest in Oblak then there is no question we should do that.
Won't happen though.
4.) 30 May 2021 23:50:46
His positioning for Salah's goal was embarrasing, his spill for the third wasn't something to be proud of either.
5.) 31 May 2021 00:24:15
Dean Henderson gives off Ben Foster vibes for me. He was hyped for having a good season but has been no where near good enough for me.
Get rid of all of them. Bring in Oblak. Problem solved.
6.) 31 May 2021 09:26:28
Both keepers sold, Oblak in is really a no brainer as I believe the kids say.
When you get a chance to improve the first team (if you get the word that he is obtainable and wants to come) then its your duty to the club to try and make it happen otherwise what's the point?
What did SAF say, the whole point is to keep improving and looking at players from within the club or outside who will improve on what you have. end of.
7.) 31 May 2021 10:54:34
Why on earth would Oblak come to this sh*t-show after what Athletico have achieved this season, to join a club that has been in transition for 8 years without showing any signs of a playing style or hint that they are anywhere near a corner, let alone turning it?
Oh, the 50m signing on fee. Maybe he's up for it.
8.) 31 May 2021 12:24:56
For the money spenno.
I agree with Brendan i'd love it to but don't think it will happen.
9.) 01 Jun 2021 09:17:36
Oblak's current contract at Athletico is worth around £9million a year, which would make him our 3rd highest paid player behind DDG, Pogba and Martial.
DDG's contract is worth so much (£19million a year) it is unlikely we will be able to sell him and unless he is willing to take a 50% pay cut, I don't see him moving anytime soon. The only reason I can see him taking a pay cut and moving is because his daughter and wife are in Madrid.
I expect the goalkeeping duties to be split between the two of them next season, much like it was this season.
10.) 01 Jun 2021 14:13:39
Another disaster decision then grim.
05 Oct 2020 08:26:42
Embarrassing defeat yesterday, hope things can turn around. Players lack of discipline, tactics and team cohesion. This is not their fault. Some of them are good, others not so much, but manager's job is to cover most of the weaknesses with the strengths of the squad.
They need a manager who will not be afraid to leave Pogba, Maguire or everyone else sitting in the stands for a couple of matches. A manager who knows tactics and can alter his style according to game's situation. Ole's tactics and first 11 are the same from January.
Ole could be something else in the team, because he loves the club for sure, but he needs to think seriously if he is up and ready to take MU to the top and handle all these 80-90-100m players in his squad.
{Ed025's Note - i agree george, there is no fear factor like there was when fergie was in charge and the players are walking all over ole, time for a change i feel but it has to be someone respected and hard hitting mate..
1.) 05 Oct 2020 09:08:27
Allegri?
2.) 05 Oct 2020 09:15:44
I don't agree that this is not the player's fault.
Nobody told Maguire to go on a rampage after Kane, push him over and let him take a quick free kick. Nobody told Martial to react (although I don't agree he should have been sent off if Lamela wasn't), and nobody told Pogba to slide through a player. Just like nobody tells Luke Shaw to switch off time and time again.
We've got to admit that we just aren't good enough at the moment.
The players, coaching staff and board all have to take responsibility for what's going on.
Although I hear the tea lady does a good job.
3.) 05 Oct 2020 09:43:38
United still have the fear factor, it's just the fear we have of watching them capitulate like that.
4.) 05 Oct 2020 09:50:14
We need a defensive coach and quick 😷😷.
5.) 05 Oct 2020 10:02:23
Actually we just need a coach and quick.
6.) 05 Oct 2020 10:03:40
Wazza, these are all about discipline and tactics. Manager should make clear the role of everyone in the pitch.
Many times we saw AWB and Shaw out of position in defence, probably they haven't understand their roles too.
Maguire is not concentrated on games for some time now, manager's job is to take him off for a couple of matches.
Martial's attitude was childish, he fell to a trap caused by Lamela (decision was harsh, I agree with that) .
As far as Pogba is concerned, he stopped to be a football player years ago, so no comment.
I wonder if all the above happened to a manager like SAF, Bielsa or Klopp, what were the consequences to these players? That's the difference between Ole and them, but I really hope he will learn after this result.
7.) 05 Oct 2020 10:12:23
I agree George and I'm not defending Ole.
What I'm saying is that the players are also responsible. I seem to remember having similar conversations on here towards the end of Mourinho's tenure. We were saying that players don't simply forget how to play football.
Perhaps we are at that part of the cycle again, where it seems the players aren't playing for the manager. But if that is true it's a disgrace, and a whole different conversation.
8.) 05 Oct 2020 10:12:44
I cannot watch a Man United game anymore when Paul Pogba plays. That man is an utter disgrace. Ole needs to grow a set of balls and just drop him. no questions. His performances over the past 2/ 2 and a half seasons have been nothing short of pathetic, embarrassing and cringe worthy. Yesterdays performance from everyone was just not acceptable, it was an utter disgrace. The club from top to bottom is a shambles, it all stems from the Glazers filtering all the way down, it's just toxic.
09 Sep 2020 18:55:10
Simon Stone, James Ducker and Fabrizio Romano said that MU agreed terms on contract with Sancho and his agent, and an offer to Dortmund will be submitted in the coming days. Hope this is over soon and Sancho will be Red Devil!
1.) 09 Sep 2020 19:55:03
Its a tough one. We just can't seem to shift players out. I think smalling will go this week but the wages our guys are on is putting clubs off i'm sure rojo jesse jones dalot and romero are tying up 500k + a week and have very little prospect of serious game time at united next season. Hey those 5 out and then there is room and wages available for 2 or 3 top players such as sancho a lb and a cb or a back up forward if ighalo moves on in jan.
2.) 09 Sep 2020 22:54:57
The game will implode soon with all these obscene wages.
06 Sep 2020 13:02:13
Tuttosport said that Pogba's negotiations with Juventus are going to restart. Is there a possibility for him to leave or it is another Raiola's "game" in order to make ManUtd to extend his contract sooner?
In my opinion, a sale for him would be good for the club, so Sancho's transfer to become more viable.
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean by "game".}
1.) 06 Sep 2020 13:52:03
Ideal world sees Pogba and probably Fred leave with Sancho and Saul coming in. Can't see that happening though.
2.) 06 Sep 2020 18:39:23
Saul as well as VdB? No chance as great is it would be.
3.) 06 Sep 2020 19:18:33
That would give us the best midfield Shappy.
Bruno, VDB and Saul.
4.) 07 Sep 2020 07:57:19
Ed are United now trying to move him on?
Seems strange after apparently not answering to inquiries about him earlier.
Thanks for the info.
{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation on multiple occasions.}
5.) 07 Sep 2020 09:17:23
Pogba wants to leave, he has for at least 2 years probably longer. He has a year left on his contract. The club have three options. Sell him this summer. Let him leave for free next summer. Or make him stay at the club for the next two years then leave for free.
The fact that DvdB was one of three players the club had their eye on as a replacement for Pogba means that with him signed they can at least entertain the idea of selling Pogba this summer.
However if they do then the club will need to improve quality in depth in creative midfield. As if Pogba leaves that means we only have Bruno and DvdB who can create in midfield. We would need a third option.
6.) 07 Sep 2020 12:25:58
Shappy
I think the Ed said previously Pogba wants to leave and his preference go back to Juventus but the amateurs have not treated him well. I wonder if Juve have the cash to buy him so may offer a player. My worry is Douglas Costa, that would be a big error for me.
If Pogba wants to go, let him but get as good a deal as we can.
7.) 07 Sep 2020 15:18:00
Red man, I don't think Juventus have the money we would want for Pogba.
Which leaves one of two options.
Firstly, accept a lower amount. Pogba has a year left on his contract, realistically how much is he worth? In 5 months time he can sign a pre-contract with a club outside of England. So is 30-40m maybe about right?
Second option would be to accept a player plus cash deal. The issue with this though is would we be getting a player we really need or want? Are they good enough or declining?
I agree I think Douglas Costa would be a bad signing. He has been injured more often than not, and mostly average when he has played. The same could be said for Aaron Ramsey. Alex Sandro is nearly 30 and declining.
Realistically the players I'd consider from Juventus are Demiral who looks a fantastic prospect at CB. However, I'm not sure he is quite the right type of CB we need to partner Maguire. Bentancur has been excellent for them, but with Fred and McTominay at the club I'm not sure where a box to box player like him fits in our squad. Kulusevski would be a player I'd take in a heartbeat, but I can't see Juventus moving him on without him playing for them.
The only other player I'd consider is Paulo Dybala. Although I still have a couple of reservations with him. Firstly, his demands the other year when he didn't really want to leave Juventus were excessive. I'd be concerned he doesn't really want to move to us. Considering the issues we have had with players who don't want to be here I'd be reluctant to bring in another who doesn't really want to be here. The other concern I'd have is as a left footed CF/ RW he would be in direct competition with Greenwood.
Although the fan in me would love to see us play 424 with Rashford, Martial, Dybala and Greenwood playing in a rotating front four. Getting it to work though would be difficult.
8.) 07 Sep 2020 16:07:01
Shappy
We are asking Dortmund to be realistic on price with a 20 year old on a long contract, so we can hardly expect to recoup the money on Pogba with only 1 year remaining. If the player wants to go, let him go. I would take £40m and move on. Costa would be a mistake. I think Dybala would be like DiMaria, not really want to be at Utd.
30 Aug 2020 20:09:40
Yeah, according to Mike Verweij, only the typical part of the deal is not done (medical tests, unveiling of the player etc) . So, VDB can be considered a Red Devil.
28 Oct 2021 11:19:38
Red Man
As a manager Conte is a lot better than Ole ofc. But our squad and philosophy as a team in not in line with Conte's tactics. We don't have the time to rebuild the squad for him, so I prefer a manager who likes attacking football and knows how to implement it on the pitch.
05 Nov 2020 12:41:39
I agree with everything you said. Ole loves the team, has a good plan in his mind (young English players etc. ), but he is not capable of learn them a proper playing style, because he does not know it either. Unfortunately, he is a low-level manager, probably for league one. The team has a lot of talent but it has weaknesses too. So an experienced manager's job is to cover them by exploiting all the advantages of the whole squad. Hope Pochettino has what it takes to do this at this stage.
05 Oct 2020 10:03:40
Wazza, these are all about discipline and tactics. Manager should make clear the role of everyone in the pitch.
Many times we saw AWB and Shaw out of position in defence, probably they haven't understand their roles too.
Maguire is not concentrated on games for some time now, manager's job is to take him off for a couple of matches.
Martial's attitude was childish, he fell to a trap caused by Lamela (decision was harsh, I agree with that) .
As far as Pogba is concerned, he stopped to be a football player years ago, so no comment.
I wonder if all the above happened to a manager like SAF, Bielsa or Klopp, what were the consequences to these players? That's the difference between Ole and them, but I really hope he will learn after this result.