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22 Jan 2020 00:02:30
Sky sports saying that we have / are going to bid 30mill for jude Bellingham, don't know how true this is, time will tell. Seems a lot for a 16 year old but haven't seen much of him so don't know how good he is. Only thing I will say is that we need players who can contribute now, I'm not sure he can do that.

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1.) 22 Jan 2020 08:17:49
Don’t worry he’ll be 22 by the time Woodward and Judge close the deal.


2.) 22 Jan 2020 08:35:34
30m for a 16 year old is more than outrageous.


3.) 22 Jan 2020 08:49:00
I agree especially as we need someone to contribute now, not in a year or 2. Its even more baffling given the current noises from the club about overspending etc and how we don't want to inflate future fees. we don't see value in bruno (hello ken lol) at 60mill but do see value here.


4.) 22 Jan 2020 08:58:20
we need both players for now and the future,

this is one of the reasons we are in this mess.


5.) 22 Jan 2020 09:20:28
I jus don't understand how they equate value in transfers. bruno is too expensive yet this deal is fine. I have nothing against the bellingham transfer I just don't get how one is seen as value the other not. its not as if bruno is 27/ 28 he's 24 so still a good age.


6.) 22 Jan 2020 10:07:53
Considering inflation and how much we paid for a 18 year old Luke Shaw nearly 6 years ago. I think around 30m is about right.

He is super talented and English, he can play in any position in midfield or across the forward line.

Whilst I agree he might not be ready now, by the time he is he will be worth 100m+ which is what we would be expected to pay for a 19 year old Sancho.

Sign him, loan him back to Birmingham on an 18 month loan deal allowing him to finish this season and play next season every week.


7.) 22 Jan 2020 10:35:42
The fact we see value in this transfer but not in the requested amount for Mr fernandes is absolutely ridiculous. We have plenty of young talent of our own, we need ready made players.


8.) 22 Jan 2020 10:36:43
Norn, that's simple. We sign Bruno for 70m while paying him 10m a year. In 5 years time we will have spent 120m on him in wages and fees. How much do you think we could sell him for in 5 years time when he's about to turn 30? Maybe 50m.

Now look at Bellingham, we spend 30m on him now and pay him 5m a season. In 5 years time he will have cost us 55m and will be about to turn 22. How much could we sell a 22 year old top England international for? 120-150m? easily.

Meaning in theory Belling could be sold for a profit of 100m in 5 years time, while Bruno would be sold at a lost 60-70m.

Now ask yourself, if you were an investor in a business would you pick investing in the asset that could make you 100m profit in 5 year time or the one that could be sold at a loss 70m?

When you look at it like that its not hard to see why the club might be more prepared to spend 30m on Bellingham than 60-70m on Bruno. We aren't being run by fans or even football people, but cold hard investors.


9.) 22 Jan 2020 10:51:34
doesnt make sense when we have a 17 year old hannibal mejbri playing a similar role and getting rave reviews and has massive potential.


10.) 22 Jan 2020 11:07:28
Your analysis is 100% correct shappy and that's the problem.
Everything we do is based on a mathematical equation that relates to profit, not how it will improve the team/ product on the pitch.


11.) 22 Jan 2020 11:36:17
I have a couple of friends who are birmingham city season book holders and they have been raving to me for couple seasons about this kid they say he's better than pogba was at his age high praise indeed and he's MOTM every time he plays.
I'm all for this signing but only if we get fernandes aswell we need him now.


12.) 22 Jan 2020 11:50:50
Agree Shappy: everything we do is measured in business assets (hence players being given new contracts when they don’t deserve them)

You’d think that they’d realise that business assets are only worth something if the business is successful, hence the need to ensure short term success also, both on and off the pitch, as the value of the brand is just as important to making a profit - and you can only trade off former glory for so long.


13.) 22 Jan 2020 12:54:49
Have we not learnt our lesson with signing Dan James from the championship. Set off like a house on fire, now he seems to struggle in games as the so called big teams have sussed him out, looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights at times. Get bruno in and another experienced striker, midfielder what ever, then let's see where we finish in the league. if not top 4, makes woodward job easier to sack ole anc get poch in. Can u imagine what a team poch could build with our coffers. he did ok at spurs without a pot to pee in.


14.) 22 Jan 2020 13:11:47
The club accounts look much healthier the more high valued assets the club has.

Giving Jones or Rojo a new deal when they don't give much in terms of football performance doesn't make any football sense.

Yet having two players with an asset value of 20-30m+ each attached to the club looks good on paper. The reality is you would be lucky to get 15m for either of them, while they don't add much to the on pitch performance while costing the club a significant amount in wages.

But at least on paper 50-60m in club assessed haven't walked out the door.

{Ed002's Note - The players are not assets that appear in the accounts as they are not fixed assets. You need to stop worring about finances.}


15.) 22 Jan 2020 13:12:55
Wllace, whilst i am in agreement that we measure players as business assets it should be noted that they have a value even when the business isn't as successful as it once was. They may have a lesser value but still a value.
The sad thing is we are talking about human beings as if they were tins of beans, sad.

{Ed002's Note - What the hell are "business assets". You all need to move on from discussing stuff you don't understand.}


16.) 22 Jan 2020 13:15:27
Shappy I'd ask the glazers to pay you for the positive PR you give off.


17.) 22 Jan 2020 13:45:59
Ed002 - read the post. I stated its sad that players are being referred to as such!

{Ed002's Note - You don't get it.}


18.) 22 Jan 2020 14:49:04
RedWhiskey, glad you feel my words have such an impact. lol. Although not sure which words I've said in this thread that could be considered "positive spin" for the Glazers.

Pretty sure I've been damning of them at times. They aren't great owners, although they are far from the worst. I don't think there is a silver bullet solution for the situation the club finds itself in. There is no one person to blame but many. As such fixing the issues won't be as simple as sacking the manager, or Ed Woodward, or the other people behind the scenes or the Glazers simply selling the club. In fact any of those things have as much potential to hurt us as they do of helping us.


19.) 22 Jan 2020 15:40:22
Ignore the money lads we don’t understand it, we don’t need to and we have no affect on it.

At 16 playing amazingly well. could turn out decent could turn out a sh! t£r

Loan him back for 18 months fine he’ll get minutes

But what I don’t get is we already have Gomes, Levitt, Garner, McTominay and then Hannibal, Puigmal, Tarore.

Would rather we go for Saul, Pogba (Fred), Bruno mid 3.


20.) 22 Jan 2020 17:01:05
Maybe the club think he is better than all of them players Utd Road?


21.) 22 Jan 2020 18:37:41
What happens if we don't get fernandes this month because we think. we can get maddison or grealish in the summer are the club that naieve that they think none of our competitors won't be after them aswell .
Theres no guarantee they will choose us if that's the case then were does that leave us were playing a very dangerous game here.


22.) 22 Jan 2020 21:17:02
I believe some of the information in this thread regarding football balance sheets is incorrect. Players' value IS recorded in the company balance sheet, as an intangible asset. Clubs buying players earn “rights to use” the players to generate revenues. In accounting, “rights” are considered as intangible assets. These asset includes players transfer rights and costs incurred to acquire those rights. These rights are measured at acquisition cost and amortized on a straight-line basis over the term of each player’s contract. The asset is initially recognized at the date the acquisition contract enters into force.


23.) 23 Jan 2020 10:59:37
I’m suffering from deja vu. Last night reminded me of fergies early days.
No width or depth no clue up front. Back passing,
Utd have a weakened squad just now,
Lulu Sanchez young smalling all gone,
Jones rojo matic mata Lingard Chong Jackson all on the gang plank waiting to jump,
Where are Utd going to find the capitol to fund the squad?
Some young lads of ours doing the business in Scotland and the championship, (de geas replacement is outstanding) we can’t even buy a player who actually wants to play for us, Squad needs 3 midfielders and two strikers.


 

 

16 Jan 2020 09:19:34
Jorge mendes has apparently been drafted in to close the fernandes deal and he was at OT last night. Hopefully he was there for talks but most likely due to his close links with Santo and wolves 🤞🤞🤞.

norn_Iron_Red84

1.) 16 Jan 2020 11:10:59
Too much smoke without fire this time around mate. Especially on our side, reports today of terms being agreed. Sporting want him to play on Friday so I’d say it will be announced after Liverpool game. Hopefully it’s not something designed to improve the mood if Sunday goes badly lol.


2.) 16 Jan 2020 11:20:44
You might be onto something there. Announced at around 18.30 on Sunday maybe if things go bad 😂.


3.) 16 Jan 2020 11:31:09
just have o hope he does not get injured.


 

 

15 Jan 2020 12:17:14
United apparently interested in taking a midfielder on loan in January to help ease the midfield injury issues. marcos llorente is of particular interest, is there any truth to this?

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{Ed002's Note - Marcos Llorente (DM) only joined Atletico Madrid last summer (as their third choice behind Ruben Neves and Thiago Mendes. He is behind Thomas Partey in the pecking order there and they are looking for a replacement - ironically they see Nemanja Matic as an option. I am not aware of an approach by Manchester United nor can I see him playing regularly if they do take him on loan.}


1.) 15 Jan 2020 13:14:34
Thanks ed002 👍.


 

 

14 Jan 2020 00:10:30
According to sky, inter and roma are in talks for a swap deal. the result will be no move for Ashley Young. Let the man go for God sake, this is not a win for us far from it.

norn_Iron_Red84

1.) 14 Jan 2020 08:13:43
well his contract that he got offered he rejected it so he is free to leave when his contract runs out.


2.) 14 Jan 2020 09:14:05
my point is that Inter were willing to pay a fee for him so why not take it? Its also like us to now offer him a new deal, and for him to stay as no-one else is interested.


3.) 14 Jan 2020 09:32:12
i just meant let his contract run down if inter won't pay.

but to be honest i would let him go for free to them.


4.) 14 Jan 2020 09:48:12
wouldnt it be typical if he now signs a new deal as no doubt its still no the table. amateurish as usual by us.


5.) 14 Jan 2020 10:33:52
Agree Norm: he’s regarded as an business asset rather than a footballer, despite the wider implications of running a club like this.


6.) 14 Jan 2020 10:40:57
Take it easy my good Sir. Stop getting riled up by what you read in the press. Most if not all are just click bait and holds no merit. Young signing a new contract doesn't mean he stays. That could be the club's method of still securing a fee for him. Whether Young leaves now or later, for free or fee doesn't really bother me.


7.) 14 Jan 2020 16:06:57
Nobody’s buying a 34 year old.


8.) 15 Jan 2020 19:04:23
Inter Sporting director is currently in London finalising deal for Giroud and starting Eriksen negotiations. Young has apparently already agreed personal terms, maybe that will be wrapped up as well while he is in town. Chong talking to Inter as well over summer move.


 

 

06 Jan 2020 23:57:26
So jesse has joined forces with mino, if this somehow ends up with him getting a bumper new deal then we are the biggest laughing stock in football. This guys had 0 goals and 0 assists in 2019 and he's only ever shown flashes in his whole career, if he was 20 then I'd understand oles continued support but he's 27. Why do we as a club continue to praise and facilitate our players brands and fill our squad with mediocrity all the while paying one of the biggest wage bills in world football? .

norn_Iron_Red84

1.) 07 Jan 2020 08:04:34
Off to Real Madrid then?


2.) 07 Jan 2020 09:13:09
Reminds me of Paul Scholes bemoaning Danny Welbeck being sold, another pundit pointing out Welbeck's goalscoring record and Scholes saying ' we all know Danny's not a goalscorer'.


3.) 07 Jan 2020 11:05:13
Goals and assists aren't the only measures of a player's worth.

Don't get me wrong, he certainly shouldn't be getting a new deal with a big pay rise, but I think a lot of people on here don't understand how much he offers because they can't see beyond his lack of goals and assists.

Lingard is the Park Ji Sung of the squad. He runs a lot, and it's intelligent running, whether it's on the attack or pressing. That contributes a lot to our effectiveness against big teams who come out and play rather than packing the defense. It's against smaller teams who pack the defense where we need someone different, because Lingard simply doesn't have the ability to open up a packed defense.


4.) 07 Jan 2020 11:47:41
Park involved in 40 goals in 154 games, Lingard 27 in 129.

Although Lingard plays more advanced and if it wasn't for his purple patch his stats would obviously be a lot worse.

Park was far more consistent and better all round player for me.


5.) 07 Jan 2020 12:06:44
park was a far better player. lingard is only playing now in so bad a form because we are that short of players.


6.) 07 Jan 2020 12:48:18
Park could actually tackle and pass.

Lingard is the embodiment of the state the club is in. His main attributes are speed and stamina. These will start to decline with age. What else does he offer?

- can’t pick a pass
- doesn’t score regularly
- poor tackling
- positionally suspect, tendency to drift

A player like him would have been shipped years ago in the 90s and 00s, and would have found his level with a bottom half side. Today he’s on over £100,000 a week and is a key squad player.

Football 365 just awarded him worst player at a top 6 EPL club. Given that he’s an attacking player that hasn’t scored or assisted a league goal in over a year, it’s hard to argue with it.


7.) 07 Jan 2020 13:33:39
imagine putting a club legend like park in the same category as lingard.

what a player park was.


8.) 07 Jan 2020 15:25:59
His first touch is dreadful. If Pogba was fit he would not get a look in.

Hopefully his goal in signing with a new agent is to get a good job somewhere else and not to negotiate a better deal, which United would be mad to agree to. If he gets a good transfer then fulfilling that goal will go one better than the accumulation of his on the field goals and assists for United.


9.) 07 Jan 2020 15:54:05
Maybe he's going to be the captain of uniteds esports team. after all he loves social media and having an active online presence. Its got woody written all over it 😂.


10.) 07 Jan 2020 19:08:38
I laugh if he scores the winner tonight
I think Park was a good player but to compare his stats to lingards is harsh Park was in 1 of the top teams in Europe with some of the best individuals in the world
Lingard clearly isnt.


 

 

 

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23 Jan 2020 14:05:13
"The Manchester United board fully back and support ole, and remain focused on a long term rebuilding process" that's the lastest today from the club. Seems to me that they are trying to sell us fans with the scenario of short term pain for long term gain. who here though really believes that in 2/ 3 years we will all be thinking "thank God we kept ole otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now" Another point is if they really are backing ole then do it, don't just pay lip service. poor squad, lack of transfers, no DOF, no change in structure. where exactly are they supporting him and enabling him to succeed and showing us fans that a rebuild is in progress?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation - it is tedious you harping on about the same things.}


1.) 23 Jan 2020 14:22:29
You think the board are going to come out and say his has 3 games to save his job? Not sure why they made any statement whatsoever in the first place.


2.) 23 Jan 2020 14:33:06
norn if we could see progress no one would be bothered, if we saw that the club were trying to buy players to improve and match this invisible vision we could understand.

if they were making steps to sort the mess out, dof, improving the facilitates which are outdated ETC

the fact is we can't see a style of football, there's no progress, nothing that you can see and go " you know what a few players here and a few there and we will be sweet"

one of the eds hit the spot when they said until the gates start getting effected nothing will be done.

ole does need to go but the next manager is in the same situation. working under the same fools that don't have a clue.


3.) 23 Jan 2020 15:13:39
Get it right on the pitch and everything else will imorove.
The team can and should be doing better.
Once that improves you won't give a rats arse who is doing what in the boardroom.


4.) 23 Jan 2020 18:42:11
That’s not true Ken.

The reason that we’re in this position is, partly, down to members of the board digging their heals in to block structural reforms.

Both LVG and Jose had their plans to modernise the club (coaching, recruitment, etc) undermined. I mean Ole is in charge because he isn’t pushing for changes.

Until the club invests the time, money and effort necessary to modernise and reform the underlying coaching and recruitment structures, there won’t be sustainable improvement on the pitch. Take a look at Liverpool over the last twenty and you can see the evidence of this.


 

 

22 Jan 2020 18:11:46
I really do wish raiola would just button it. I'm sure his clients love him but that's where it ends. No doubt he will be slagging us off about jesse next.

norn_Iron_Red84

1.) 22 Jan 2020 19:25:53
Can you argue what he’s actually saying? What are our club’s ambitions? I have no idea.


2.) 22 Jan 2020 19:37:47
I can't argue with it I just wish he'd shut it 😂.


3.) 22 Jan 2020 19:58:40
It pains me to say it, but I agree with him. I don’t see the plan.


 

 

22 Jan 2020 15:57:11
How's everyone feeling about tonights game? Burnley always present a tough test and they will be difficult to beat, it has all the hallmarks of a low scoring game. what's the score predictions?

norn_Iron_Red84

1.) 22 Jan 2020 18:23:53
I think we will win NI.
Rashford is a big miss but its no excuse. We are at home snd we should be winning this game comfortably.


2.) 22 Jan 2020 18:32:48
5-0 to us.


3.) 22 Jan 2020 18:58:15
Hope so though I'm not as confident as some 😂.


 

 

22 Jan 2020 13:47:52
Can any of the eds shine any light on any further departures from the club this month? It has been muted that rojo may be headed back to Argentina. Although the squad is threadbare, CB is one position where we have ample cover so would we let him leave?

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{Ed002's Note - He is available.}


1.) 22 Jan 2020 14:46:03
thanks again ed002.


 

 

22 Jan 2020 10:09:59
Ed002 any truth that we have bid for Jude Bellingham? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Many clubs are keen - I have no idea what the situation is regarding "bids" for him as he is a child.}


1.) 22 Jan 2020 10:44:32
Thanks ed002.


 

 

 

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22 Jan 2020 11:07:28
Your analysis is 100% correct shappy and that's the problem.
Everything we do is based on a mathematical equation that relates to profit, not how it will improve the team/ product on the pitch.

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22 Jan 2020 09:20:28
I jus don't understand how they equate value in transfers. bruno is too expensive yet this deal is fine. I have nothing against the bellingham transfer I just don't get how one is seen as value the other not. its not as if bruno is 27/ 28 he's 24 so still a good age.

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22 Jan 2020 08:49:00
I agree especially as we need someone to contribute now, not in a year or 2. Its even more baffling given the current noises from the club about overspending etc and how we don't want to inflate future fees. we don't see value in bruno (hello ken lol) at 60mill but do see value here.

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21 Jan 2020 11:00:40
they don't have a plan. they fly by the seat of their pants. Even if they do change manager do we think that the summer will be some well organised transfer strategy? the excuse then will be that the new manager needed time to assess the squad so we couldn't get players in. there's always a reason for our poor recruitment, not the fact that the people doing the deals are completely imcompetent.

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20 Jan 2020 21:42:35
😂😂😂 Yip next season we will win the quadruple, go unbeaten and amass 100 points.

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23 Jan 2020 11:38:39
ed001 hit the nail on the head as to why they don't want to sack ole "he doesn't cause problems trying to get what he wants". If ole doesn't highlight the failures of those above him, then the fans have to make it perfectly clear. The only way we see change is if the club is no longer an attractive brand for businesses which in turn will lose the glazers millions in revenue.

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23 Jan 2020 10:59:33
Why are they so reluctant though? What have they seen that makes them think we are on the right path? Staggering levels of ineptitude from us.

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23 Jan 2020 08:47:04
another piece of positivity. the season ends in May so only 3.5 months to go lol.

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23 Jan 2020 08:45:43
id love to know who decided to give pereira a new long term deal. yet another top piece of business by us.

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22 Jan 2020 19:37:47
I can't argue with it I just wish he'd shut it 😂.

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