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15 Mar 2020 20:43:46
Can people honestly see the season finishing?

Be realistic?

The virus will be worse in April and May time and the country will be on lock anytime soon, for how long is anyone's guess.

For the the best course of action is to cancel the season start again August, keep the Champions League and Europa teams the same as this season.

I know it's frustrating situation but it's a serious event happening right now of which isolation is the best way to prevent spreading the virus.

Will players or teams want to continue the season in May/June? Because I very much doubt the season will be back up and running in 3 weeks when the cases are going up higher and higher everyday.


You could say realistically the only premier League teams who would want to finish the season is Liverpool for obvious reasons, Leicester and possibly Sheffield United and Wolves.

Teams at the bottom will not want the season to finish and probably say they refuse as players life's are at risk.

I doubt they'll play the remaining games behind closed doors.

I just hope hope it gets cancelled and have a null and void season.


1.) 15 Mar 2020 22:21:00
End it, stand the tables as they are and promote Leeds and west brom, vote on scousers being champs, or not.


2.) 15 Mar 2020 22:47:59
Yes, behind closed doors and next season delayed by 2 months.


3.) 16 Mar 2020 06:43:47
There is only two fair ways to go from here in my opinion, neither is ideal but health is most important.
1. Cancel the season and start fresh next year meaning no promotion or relagation, no cup or league champs across the board.

2. Find a way to finish all leagues and cups wether with fans or behind closed doors.


4.) 16 Mar 2020 09:15:41
I don't see there being a way to finish the season sadly. China have had this since October (6 months) and are still having to deal with it. To think we will have it under control in less than 6 months is a little optimistic. In 6 months time it will be August and what should be the start of next season.

So for me the idea that the season could be finished is just a pipe dream.

Which actually hits us pretty hard as it means we are almost certainly going to miss out out UCL football next year now.

I don't think there is any chance of having some sort of play off system to decide either relegation or qualification for the UCL. If we can play those games then we can play league games. Likewise the idea that they will have an extra qualifying round and have several extra teams that could have qualified enter at that stage doesn't sound feasible either, those games would need to be played in July which is likely to be an issue.

The most feasible thing is to null and void the season and go off of last year's final table for European places. That means no one gets promotion or relegation, while no one wins the league. It's unfair on everyone. But health has to come first.


5.) 16 Mar 2020 09:24:38
Postpone the Euros to allow clubs to finish season and competitions.

Read an interesting idea about resolving current cup competitions in a mini-tournament consisting of last 16 in four tables.

If virus carries on beyond August and ne t season starts in, say, October, play leagues as normal but condense cup competitions and even scrap Euros/ International friendliest to wait for World Cup in 2022.

Awful not having any football but bigger issues out there at the moment.


6.) 16 Mar 2020 11:23:37
Also, play offs for fourth CL spot between Chelsea, United, , Sheffield United and Woves?

Keep top 3 the same as now.


7.) 16 Mar 2020 13:22:25
Wallace, the more bodies involved the harder it becomes to organise. The FA, plus the FA's of other nations, UEFA, FIFA etc will all have their own interests they will look to protect.

The idea that the UEFA would happily delay the Euro's so that club football could be played seems unlikely.

The same with FIFA and the world cup.

When dealing with bodies such as UEFA with regards to their club competitions (UCL and Europa League) they will have to have dialogue with many different national FA's, some like Italy's will have less flexibility than others due to government interventions.

It's not as simple as just delaying everything, or coming up with some sort of shorter play off tournament.

It will either be play the games or null and void the season. With the latter looking more likely due to the fact that we might be as much as 6 months away from actually being able to play games.

This has the potential to drag out for most of the year, That might make it hard to even start next season on time. That's the reality.


8.) 16 Mar 2020 18:47:15
Thought-provoking argument Shappy but perhaps the main reason the Euros etc would dictate the agenda would be financial rather than for the good if the respective leagues which, after all, is the bread and butter of each country’s FA and without which there would be no lucrative International football. In other words, the leagues are the lifeblood of football and must be given priority.


9.) 16 Mar 2020 23:47:51
Not going to happen. We are in it for the medium to long haul. No more football 😭.


10.) 18 Mar 2020 09:30:27
If the season is voided there are going to be a hell of a lot of court cases to follow .


11.) 18 Mar 2020 11:14:55
They will postpone the season. See the effect of the virus and realistically calculate if they can resume the season when the virus has been "controlled".

Until the country knows how long we have this virus for at a higher %. At the moment the % is getting higher and higher so first thing is we need to get the % controlled. (I personally think until late summer)

Then they won't be able to make a decision. Realistically I think you will have to void the season down the line as the season runs until 30 June. I don't think we be allowed to travel aboard until the end of the year.


12.) 18 Mar 2020 18:20:50
I think it's just a slow death. The current suggestion is that social distancing measures will need to increase to slow the spread. We could be under lock down like many other countries within days. Parts of China are in the 10th week of a lockdown and it doesn't look like they can lift it any time soon.

The governments predictions that we could see 12 weeks of disruption seems optimistic at best. If we enter a lock down for 10 weeks that will take us until June. The idea that the EPL could fit in 90 fixtures in June is frankly ridiculous.

The likelihood is that even at the start of June that there will be social distancing measures still in place. In which case playing games is unlikely to be viable.

I hope they can finish the season, I want to see United play. I want to see us try and win the FA cup and the Europa League, I want to see us push to get top four. But the reality is that is very unlikely to happen.

My university exams for May have been switched to online tests as they don't expect people to be able to take them in person.

GCSE's and A level exams have been suspended. If kids can't take exams for their futures in May and June then the reality is that football matches won't be happening.

Firstly it's immoral to put players, club staff, TV and media crews, ground staff, as well as medical and police staff needed to play a game even behind closed doors, at risk of catching and spreading an illness that will still be keeping people shut within their houses.

Secondly, they would need to bring in private security and medical personnel to run to safety as the UK government has already said they won't be providing any to mass gatherings and that is unlikely to change unless we are over the crisis.

I believe they are making the right noises about trying to get these games played but are either fully aware they won't be or painfully ignorant of just how big this issue is.


13.) 18 Mar 2020 19:49:46
Let's be honest nobody has any idea when "normal" life can resume. The football authorities are just as ignorant as us.

Maybe the best way forward is for there to be a three or four week period of friendlies amongst English clubs as soon as the all clear from the virus is given. This will give teams time to get match fitness.

Then let the leagues resume until final positions are decided. Then depending on how much time is left in what would have been a regular season but with teams playing each other only once. Half of a teams matches woukd be home and half away. Their would be an end of season champion for each division and promotion and relegation decided as normal. No one could complain as the rules would be clear to all from the outset.


14.) 18 Mar 2020 20:33:08
There’s no way the current season can’t be resolved first. Too many financial implications across the whole pyramid from Liverpool down to the lower leagues. Maybe it’ll be behind closed doors, where a home crowd can’t influence a game and things won’t feel right. But they’ll be resolved.

There are no fixtures set in stone for next season or what remains of this season. Next season might go down in history as the one that didn’t start in August, and they might have to stagger them over a few seasons before we’re back to normal. But people set the dates, and they have the power to improvise. Forget a new season having to start in August.


15.) 21 Mar 2020 09:27:25
They could look at it as an opportunity.

The world cup is in Qatar and would need to be played in the winter months as it is too hot in the summer. therefore by finishing the season when they can and then moving the next season on a few months it would be beneficial to them.

Say they won't be able to play football til july there is 10 premier league games per team, 3 games from the fa cup, 6 from europa league,6 from champions league. 25 games for teams still in the competitions stated.

even if they played 2 games a week your still looking at 3 months which would take you to end of october. You then have the off season so that would effectively move the new season to january or february depending on time they allow for offseason.

Then that off season becomes available for the world cup!

BOOM instant money going to FIFA, UEFA and all the FA's.


 

 

27 Feb 2020 15:32:46
Interesting stat if true.

When Matic has played we've kept 14 clean sheets, when he hasn't we've kept 3.

Just shows if these stats are true how he transform our team and makes a stronger unit. For instance the City game in first leg first half we were cut to shreds and he came on second and we were far better.

For me he's the best CDM at the club and his legs have far from gone.


1.) 27 Feb 2020 18:32:26
Instead of looking at stats, look at his performances. The last 3-4 games he has been good.

Other than that, he had been average.


2.) 27 Feb 2020 19:06:38
This just shows that we need to sign a really good DM.

Neves
Soumare
Zakaria

Imagine if we were lucky enough to sign Neves. A DM that can play and score and set the pace of the game.


3.) 27 Feb 2020 20:14:22
PogtheDog,

I agree with you.


4.) 27 Feb 2020 20:51:37
Well it's no coincidence that when he plays were a better team.


5.) 28 Feb 2020 00:45:51
I don’t watch wolves that often but I thought Neves was one of the worst players on the pitch in the league game at OT, I was keeping an eye on him as people say he would be a good signing but all he did was turn and pass backwards all the time and kept getting caught out of position. Maybe it was just a bad day for him.


6.) 28 Feb 2020 05:33:42
He didn't play last night.


 

 

03 Jan 2020 23:21:04
We're still 6 signings from getting any where near the top 2.

Still need CB, LB, 2xCMs, RW and ST.

AWB- been ok brilliant at times could be better going forward.

Maguire - for Me very poor. At least 8 goals come from him keeping people inside, just sticking out instead of putting body on to block shots. He's always out of position and loses ball a lot.
He does well in interceptions decent in the air but couldve signed. Mongs, Ake and Dunk to do same for less.

James - good start fizzled out. All pace little else.

Next two windows are crucial.


1.) 03 Jan 2020 23:34:00
James does what Rashford or Martial do, which is track back and still has a tank load of desire and energy late in games when he plays a full 90.


2.) 04 Jan 2020 00:23:27
James is in the top 3 or 4 in the league I believe for stats. he's been very good. Coming from an average championship team aswell so I think you're being a bit harsh on the kid.


3.) 04 Jan 2020 00:31:32
Does nothing but 3 goals, 6 assists (most in the club this season) tracks back, win free kicks, and goes past people.

James has been one of our most consistent performers this year with a goal or an assist every other game so fizzled out is a bit harsh.


4.) 04 Jan 2020 08:06:53
Ah nothing like judging players after only 6 months of trying to settle in to a new team, Club, city etc. All they’re were good signings and an upgrade on what we have. Issue being we need 5-6 more as stated. This squad is negligently paper thin, and the worst one I’ve seen collectively for over 30 years.


5.) 04 Jan 2020 08:10:52
While playing on his weaker side (right hand side rather than the left) .

He has 9 goals/ assists from 18 games while playing in his weaker position, in a team that isn't playing well consistently, while stepping up from the Championship to the EPL.

If James can replicate or improve his goal/ assist return in the second half of the season to finish with 18+ goals/ assists for his first season at the club. Then he will have a strong case for being our best signing of last summer.


6.) 04 Jan 2020 10:03:22
THE worrying trend after reading posts, a lot from the eds is that as a club we are not an attractive proposition to the better players.
As ed002 states regularly, we seem to be run in an amaturish way and are always last to the party when it comes to negotiating: indeed we pay top dollar for the preverbial unwanted sausage roll! .
The fact that regular posters on here are clamouring for 5/ 6 signings in this window as opposed to 1/ 2 teaks would be good in the past, shows how far the standard of our recruits have fallen.
Any bright light in the team, AWB, JAMES, GREENWOOD etc are quite often masked by the overpayed, underachievers lingard, pogba martial, shaw and maquire to certain extent.
Dont know the answer but sadly convinced that the former legend of a player who both smiles in defeat all too easily and has seemingly no idea/ plan abc tactically- isn't the answer. I really fear decades of mediocraty for us with drastic reductions in revenue causing the club to fail to recover to our former glory years.


7.) 04 Jan 2020 14:19:07
Add maddison into our team and I think we would comfortably be in top 4 with a healthy squad. Andreas has been our best 10, but goals, assists and general creativity has been poor from that position all season.

Fred and Mctom would be effective with that sort of creativity ahead of them.

But we are paper thin for injuries in midfield and Pogba clearly wants to go. So that becomes a second urgent need. Matic wants to go, so our depth is worrying. CN any of of young players step up in this second half? So one purchase plus an increased role from Youth perhaps?

Ed2 mentioned getting Saul in for PP. I would be stunned if Saul would come to us right now, but that would be a big upgrade to our midfield this season. I don't think we need a CDM - just better all round midfielders to add to Fred and McT.


8.) 04 Jan 2020 15:59:23
Ole's biggest mistake was selling Fellaini. We moan about not being able to break the smaller teams down, no plan B if the front three cannot find away through, yet we had the perfect solution, send up the big man to create mayhem, confusion and usually a goal.


9.) 04 Jan 2020 21:39:37
So ole's biggest mistake is selling the guy that 99% of people on here wanted sold?


10.) 07 Jan 2020 20:59:06
Elbows Fellaini was a great Plan B. But I think that by selling him Man Utd. were making a statement that they were moving away from that strategy.

I actually think that Fellaini would feature loads for Man Utd. while you're struggling in a game. It's a shame for you that he's no longer an option.


 

 

01 Dec 2019 22:26:55
Now is the time to anounce Poch.
Ole is out his depth. Were playing poor football, his tactics etc are awful 20 odd % win proves the point. Need to act now before to late.


1.) 02 Dec 2019 04:42:53
Why would poch want to come he's likely got his pick of a few big teams in europe.


2.) 02 Dec 2019 08:37:55
Allegri.


3.) 02 Dec 2019 09:45:22
It's a huge job, top managers will have interest.


4.) 02 Dec 2019 10:13:40
Most may have reservations as the fans have shown they have absolutely no patience whatsoever, a few bad results and they would be on his back, and any manager coming in with this squad would get bad results. We all complained in the summer that we didn't get the players we needed, we all knew we were short, so I am not sure why people were expecting us to be amazing.

I don't think Ole is the right man going forward, but he might be the right man to make some calls now, ship out the rest of the bad apples and leave the next manager with a better chance. A new manager coming in now would have the exact same issues as Ole.


5.) 02 Dec 2019 12:33:40
Wonder if Florentino Perez also thinks the same before a sacking. What if my next manager thinks that fans will have issues.

Man Utd will be a lucrative job for any manager provided he has the balls to do it.


6.) 02 Dec 2019 15:29:51
Stop listening to the biased reporting, Ole's win rate is NOT 20 odd % it is 48%.

P 50
W 24.


7.) 02 Dec 2019 15:55:42
He won the first 10 games so he's only won 14 of the last 40 games. that's a pretty poor statistic.

Although, I am for him staying a bit longer things really need to improve. Midfield needs an overhaul. Same issue since before Scholes retired.


8.) 02 Dec 2019 18:31:52
Midfield is the key to progress.


9.) 02 Dec 2019 19:50:38
Oh GDS, come on.


10.) 02 Dec 2019 21:54:55
Woodward leaving is the only key to progress.


11.) 02 Dec 2019 23:32:01
If we’re backing a manager to take on a five year project we need to back someone who’s achieved something worthwhile in the past. Our manager hasn’t. There is no evidence that he can turn things around. We’re better off cutting our losses now and appointing someone who has a proven track record in delivering the change we want to see.

Also, any manager who thought we could deliver this season with this squad is clueless. I’ve not spoken to anyone who didn’t see this coming in Aug.


12.) 02 Dec 2019 23:51:28
If we had a decent midfield we would concede less and score more. We are scoring twos and threes as it is. Imagine if our strikers had a proper supply line from midfielders who also chopped in with a few goals.


13.) 03 Dec 2019 16:04:40
he puts Maguire as captain. I was there sumday he never talks. Never organises the degence and he certainly does not have leadership skills.

Has hour defence really improved? Were conceding every game.

Midfield was our biggest problem we needed two top CMs and he sigms another LW oppsed to Martial amd Rashford we already had.

He then gets rid a proven goalscorer albeit not the best in Solsjkaers tactics.

His playing legacy is papering over his inabiltu managerial flaws.


 

 

14 Jun 2019 17:58:40
Really hope city buy maguire and we go elsewhere.

Half decent on the ball and good in tbe air and that's it.

He loses possesion a lot, lacks pace, tactical awareness isn't the best.

For me not much better than Smalling and certainly not worth anywhere near the 80mil quoted. I don't see what people obsession with him is.

If can't get Koulibaly or De Ligt id go for Dias.

Theres better defenders out there that would improve us more that Maguire.


1.) 14 Jun 2019 18:21:22
The fact that's he's half decent on the ball means he is much better than smalling.

Gareth Southgate is probably one of the most timid men in football but he was pretty ruthless and scathing in his criticism of smallings weaknesses.

Your centre backs have to be good on the ball if you want to suceed as a top team as you will have the majority of possession in most games.


2.) 14 Jun 2019 18:30:39
Not disagree with you, but with Brexit
Not sure how this will effect transfer in the future.
What do you think Ed's?

Will brexit effect transfer of players?

{Ed001's Note - depends on the terms of it. Nobody can say what will happen as no one knows.}


3.) 14 Jun 2019 18:54:32
I've said on here a few times that I'm really against the signing of Maguire. He's very good in both boxes at set pieces and is good enough on the ball but not much else in my opinion. The media have built him up as this fantastic defender off the back of a world cup where England didn't beat anyone of genuine quality despite getting to the semis and he played in a back 3 which helped cover some of his deficiencies.

The best sides would target him as he cannot deal with any type of quick movement around him. Coming out from the back with the ball is fine but the more I see of Maguire, the more I am convinced he is absolutely aimless when he runs with the ball and has no clue what his next pass will be.


4.) 14 Jun 2019 19:27:24
I rate Maguire and think he has the attitude to make I at United. Hungry, hard working and talented.


5.) 14 Jun 2019 20:39:03
I know stats don't mean much but, Smalling per 90 min has better stats than VVD and Maguire. (i think)

For me Maguire loses ball too much and ends up out of position creating space for openents.

Rather have players out the italian league over Maguire. Players like Milenkovic, De Vrij and Manalos to name a few.

Whats with the buzz on Maguire? Like yeah decent on ball (but loses it a lot and ends up out of position) good in tbe air but everything thing else average. Rather keep smalling than spend 70+ mil on a over hyped player that's not going to massively improve us.

Go all out for Koulibaly or De Ligt or even Dias who i think would flourish.


6.) 14 Jun 2019 20:59:17
Well, supposedly it’s a tussle between Pep and Ole for Maguire’s signature. Who are we to argue? If Pep rates him, and Ole - who could spot a centreback’s weaknesses a mile off - what do we know?


7.) 14 Jun 2019 21:19:13
Imagine a Brexit back four of Shaw, Smalling, Jones and Young. We'd be sorted.


8.) 14 Jun 2019 21:56:28
What do you mean imagine.

With Woodward in charge THAT will be our back four.

Time will tell .
But we also need quality signings
Let's get this transfer window over and done with.
Start of season will give us a clue where we will finish in the league.
Fingers crossed we start with a good momentum and carry it on till the end of the season.


9.) 14 Jun 2019 22:16:33
Apparently on the amazon prime series of city, Pep singles out magurire as a weekness ass no pace and should target him. I've never seen it but heard it on the grape vine.


10.) 14 Jun 2019 22:43:22
Would Maguire be an improvement on our current options at CB? Yes he would, although that is more an indictment of our current CB's than it is an endorsement of Maguire.

Is he value for money at the reported 70-90m price bracket. Absolutely not.

He would improve us, but he wouldn't lift us up to the level we require.

Best avoid him. Players such as Dias or Milenkovic although not as good as Maguire right now have a much higher ceiling and are available for half the price. Best to go for one of them and spend the rest of the money improving the squad elsewhere.


11.) 15 Jun 2019 01:43:20
In order of preference
Milenkovic
Diaz
De Ligt
Manolas
Koulibaly.


12.) 15 Jun 2019 10:06:24
Also the last two players we "beat" City to (Sanchez and Fred) have hardly set the world alight.

I'm starting to think they are making up interest in poor players to make us buy them trying to beat City to a player.


13.) 15 Jun 2019 10:31:27
For me, my order would be.

Varane (not going to happen but wishful)
Koulibaly
Dias
De Ligt
Giminez
Milenkovic
Romagnoli

Then Manalos, De Vrij and about 20th place probably Maguire, personally think De Ligt or Dias will sign.


14.) 15 Jun 2019 11:39:54
It still AMAZES me how Nathan Ake gets overlooked by the majority.
Forget the BIG names, look under the surface at proven, statistical analysis of the players and you will surprise yourselves.
Ake, Romagnoli, Ake and possibly De Ligt are the main 4 we should be looking at. For an experienced CB, we should be looking at Alderweireld.


15.) 15 Jun 2019 15:28:06
Good shout on Ake, rather have him than Maguire.

Definately need at least 6 signings to try get back in top 4 at least.

CB
RB
CM x2
RW
ST

As much as i love mata i'd let him go and move on, i'd also let Matic go along with Rojo, Darmian, possibly Lukaku if can get a replacement.


16.) 15 Jun 2019 17:10:17
If we spend 80 million on Maguire I am done.


Varane wants out and he is class 80 million would get varane if Madrid want pogba ask for varane as part of the deal.

Football manager tactics I know but still there are better defenders for 80 million out there.


17.) 15 Jun 2019 20:39:37
Did ed002 not tell you a while back we were not looking into player swap deals as it becomes messy. I believe Mr Varane has a bad injury record so 80m No thanks.


18.) 16 Jun 2019 04:05:57
I’d shift on jones Royo darmian n buy the spurs cb we need a experienced English speaking cb to go with lindelof! A rb 2 cms maybe a dm, rw, cf maybe more depending on out goings but we don’t do well on those.


19.) 16 Jun 2019 10:35:02
I believe Mike Phelan as Hull manager gave Maguire his debut so there is a known connection. The rumour is we are willing to sell Leicester Bailly in return, if they want him.


20.) 16 Jun 2019 11:52:02
Maguire is not the finished article nor the first choice of many but he can get on the park (as he is fit) and does a job most of the time. Wouldn’t be the worst signing but hog the CB pairing is him and Lindelof next season then it will be adios CL see you in 2021.


21.) 17 Jun 2019 10:00:10
I seriously think Pep is employing the dark arts, and in a fiendishly clever plan, is feigning interest in players he knows are bang average, knowing full well that Ed will cream his knickers at the thought of putting one over City.


22.) 17 Jun 2019 11:21:25
In order of personal preference
The black rock Milenkovic (Bleki)
Diaz
Romagnoli
Jonathan Tah.


 

 

 

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05 Jul 2020 10:57:38
Back on the CB debate.

I honestly think we need 2 top CBs if we want to get to challenging again. This is our weakest part of the squad by far.

Maguire is an average defender of which we wouldn't see no difference if we had Tyrone Mings, Nathan Ake or Lewis Dunk in our team I'd put him in that category. Average CB that can do a decent job. That's all he is.

The amount of goals that's been his fault this season is shocking.

He's decent in air and on ball but everything else he's poor especially his positioning. he's all over the place and gets caught out a lot, That's the reason he looks far better in a back 5 as he has more cover.

Moving up the field.

I think if pogba stays, we've got enough quality in the CM areas. Could be greedy and go for a world class CDM but we know that won't happen.

If we sign Sancho it could be a game changer and with Greenwood being as good with both feet he will get game time in any of the front 3 positions.

Bring Henderson back sell De Gea
Sign 2 CBs
Sign CM if Pogba wants to leave.
Sign Sancho.


1.) 05 Jul 2020 11:11:23
Ah I see it’s Maguire’s turn to be on the end of the wrath of this page, he’s made a couple of mistakes since the restart and now suddenly he’s Tyrone Mings.

Scored 5 for the first time since 2011 yesterday, we look like a team who can score more than they let in and the majority of the time they don’t let any in.


2.) 05 Jul 2020 11:19:41
Very reactionary that on maguire imo. He’s not in Van djik’s class and the fee isn’t his fault. If we paid 40 million people would say he’s been a good signing.


3.) 05 Jul 2020 11:47:33
Maguire is usually ok - good. Makes the odd mistake. Kobially beside him and forget Sancho now Greenwood is showing his worth? Pogba to stay. Slightly worried about De Gea. Add Grealish.


4.) 05 Jul 2020 11:44:15
Gds its always someone's turn .


5.) 05 Jul 2020 11:53:46
You're right GDS2, summed it up there, he's made a couple of mistakes since the restart even though we've only played a handful of games, that in itself is shocking. Let's also ignore how crap he was before lockdown.

It can't be reactionary Coalan if he's been doing this all season though.


6.) 05 Jul 2020 11:55:40
Wilbot - Please evidence all the grievous and shocking mistakes Maguire has made this season. I think he deserves a fair trial before he's consigned into the realms of mediocrity alongside the likes of Tyrone Mings!


7.) 05 Jul 2020 12:08:45
Scholes

I thought he was very good before lockdown, his stats and the teams stats back that up as well to be honest. As said above, people see what they want to see.


8.) 05 Jul 2020 12:55:50
His best period was Christmas till lockdown since and before he was average.

He's not and never will be a top CB.

He's average and always will be, we paid over the odds of which couldve of got the likes of Lewis Dunk who's just as good for more than half that fee.

He backs off players allowing them to run and have space. His positional awareness is awful.

Off the top my head without going back there's games like Norwich although Mctominay lost ball was still poor from Maguire after. 2 goals against Sheff united, one were he allowed mousett to run at him and let him shoot the the mcburnie goal the wasn't at the player and made a poor attempt to block the shot. the goal yesterday and the spurs goal to name a few I could probably rewatch a few and point out more.

The midfield and attack seems to be getting in the right direction but the defence especially the CB position we need two top CBs not to ok cbs.

We all want to win titles and get to the next level and for me Maguire isn't good enough.


9.) 05 Jul 2020 13:06:43
It's not about calling out different players.

It's just moving forward especially in midfield and attack were building something specially and have adequate back up in some areas.

Leicester fans even said Jonny Evans was better than Maguire they've also done better without him. They also mentioned how Chilwell always got him out the trouble countless times over the season.

We need 2 top CBs and a RW to try compete for me.


10.) 05 Jul 2020 13:20:36
Wilbot would you be happy if we signed otamendi gomes lovren stones etc all title winning cbs over the last 2 seasons?


11.) 05 Jul 2020 13:55:34
Maguire's individual mistakes this season DLIB

Hernandez skipped by Maguire with ease to score for Norwich in our 3-1 league win.

His awful clearance led to a corner against Wolves in august which Neves scored from.

Nutmegged yesterday before Stanislas scored

Getting megged by Giroud which led to Kovacic almost scoring at the bridge

Outmuscled for the 2 goals Burnley scored at OT, a game in which we lost.

Partially at fault for the Longstaff goal at OT, but we won 4-1.

Got annihilated by Bergwijn in our 1-1 draw.

This doesn't include the huge mistakes he makes when he's gifted the ball to the opposition when he tries playing out from the back.


12.) 05 Jul 2020 14:01:57
You’re right scholes. Turf him out and get Jones back in there.

{Ed004's Note - Honestly feel what you've done there for Maguire above Scholes can be done for every single player in the squad including Bruno. Every player is going to make mistakes. He's played his first season in a new squad, had to deal with a very inconsistent team for vast majority of the season (Matic out of form, Pogba/Rashford/Martial all missing games with a midfield consisting of Lingard/Andreas for vast majority of it) yet we sit with either 2nd or 3rd best defence in the league. This is all without factoring in our keeper being the reason we conceded about 3 of the 4 or so goals we have conceded in last 10+ games played.

Don't have the time currently to check the stats but feel like on the site there always has to be some player targeted or scapegoated}


13.) 05 Jul 2020 14:28:59
What's the point Coalan when we can just get Smalling back? 😁.

I think that's a fair assessment Ed to be honest, i've just highlighted his major mistakes that led to a goal and not his poor positioning or awol passing. It is what DLIB was asking for aswell. I hope he improves but he's 27 and should be in his prime, hopefully this isn't IT.

{Ed047's Note - I honestly don’t think it’s about stats and who else played, made mistakes or wasn’t in form.

Maguire just isn’t a top top defender, to a degree he shone out at Leicester and yes he has England caps but then so do a lot of players you wouldn’t consider for United.

He’s clearly not absolute rubbish but he’s also not even close to the VVD’s, Laporte’s and Koulibaly’s of this world mate.

I don’t think it’s making a scapegoat of him, it’s just pointing out he really isn’t that great, or even as good as some would like him to be.


14.) 05 Jul 2020 15:09:20
KoulibLys is serious overrated on the site .


15.) 05 Jul 2020 15:56:15
He put the ball out for a corner which they scored from, amazing, heard it all now.

{Ed004's Note - Also have to agree on the Koulibaly point. Hes had some shockers this season which would have resulted in pelters on here.}


16.) 05 Jul 2020 16:05:42
Nobody doubted that 80m was an outragous fee top pay for maguire.
He does get caught out from time to time and has his limitations. I still think he has done ok and as a unit they have done ok.
It could be and needs to be better.
We are attacking more so the defenders will be exposed more.
We are playing a higher line too which can leave defenders exposed.


17.) 05 Jul 2020 14:51:51
It's the typical response if you criticise a player Ed047, i'm making him a 'scapegoat'.

{Ed047's Note - I get that mate but sadly people don’t like to admit one of their own isn’t all that and Maguire simply isn’t all that.

Yes he’s a unit, yes he can head the ball but gets done so easily by quality players.

But if peeps think he can take you to the big trophies well I can only say good luck with that.


18.) 05 Jul 2020 17:08:41
I mentioned it because he completed f'ed up the clear GDS, not because he simply cleared it out for a corner. Funny how that's the only mistake you focus on.


 

 

03 Jul 2020 12:35:15
Imaging if De Gea let Fodens goal in last night he'd be getting battered of every pundit shot went straight through Alisson.

Would've also been worse for Alisson as that goal by Mahrez was another poor attempt of a save.

My point is there's been goals this season Liverpool have conceded like against West ham and Watford to name a few, were Alisson has done poor but no one bats an eye lid.

For me the defence make him look better than he is.


1.) 03 Jul 2020 12:51:14
Im a fan of De Gea, But
This season, De Gea has made the 2nd most mistakes leading to a goal in the league.


2.) 03 Jul 2020 16:34:28
I think Alisson has been the best keeper in the league by far. Some of the saves he has made and counter attacks he has started have won liverpool a lot of points this season.

De gea has regressed over the years, but it probably hasn't helped that he's had a unsettled defence the past few seasons.


3.) 03 Jul 2020 16:59:25
Alisson hasn't made many top saves for me. 99% are simple and straight at him.

I agree that his distribution is his far better attribute.

De Gea made a quality save against Brighton I doubt many other keeper in league would've saved.


4.) 03 Jul 2020 17:00:52
Nothing Allison has done has made me think he's world class apart from his contribution which he is the best in the world at.

Put De Gea in that team though I still don't think anything would change.


5.) 03 Jul 2020 17:10:16
Ps. I'm not saying Alisson isn't good I think people. are bigging upto something he isn't.

He makes quite few mistakes of which a lot go in punished so nothing gets said unlike Dr Gea who gets punished.

Alissons should've saved West ham's goal from a corner was simple didn't go down as a mistake.

Troy deeneys goal poor pass from TAA but Alisson came running out and left goal open didn't go down as his mistake of which if stayed put goal doesn't go in.

Just to name 2 recent before locldown.


6.) 03 Jul 2020 19:22:53
I would have said he was probably hungover like most of his teammates, but I think he's a religious lad, so no excuse. He is a good keeper, but I think his defenders, especially VVD, have probably made him look even better. Very soft goal last night, and I don't think I heard anything mentioned about it.


7.) 03 Jul 2020 19:49:52
He's made load of mistakes since he came especially early on just nothing gets said or repeatedly mentioned or re played like DDG mistakes.

He's let in quote a few soft goals that no one says a word but if was DDG he's be scrutinized.

Any top goalkeeper with defence will always look good and have little to do.


8.) 03 Jul 2020 21:22:09
Good post Wilbot. DeGea gets a lot of criticism and fair enough he's made some mistakes but those mistakes are easily rectified.

I still think he's the best out there especially with the weak cbs we have infront of him.

Put Alison behind Maguire and put DeGea behind VVD and you will see Alison get absolutely smashed and DeGea will be rolling with clean sheets.


 

 

20 Jun 2020 10:51:23
Tactically poor from OGS again.

Why have pogba with fitness coach at full pelt at HT then wait another 15 min to bring him on?

Why even start James never mind wait another 15 min after HT to bring him off? he's absolute garbage.

Putting Mctominay CB then bringing him off fir a CB?

I think Fred should've stayed on instead of Mctominay but that's my opinion.

We play better with Matic sitting and played a key part in that 11 game unbeaten run, don't see why he didn't start.

Pogba changed the game still our best player hopefully can kick on.

Few players off the pace people which is expected.

Got to start both Fernandes and Pogba next game for me with Matic sitting.


1.) 20 Jun 2020 11:29:03
Correct.


2.) 20 Jun 2020 11:41:25
Wilbot

We will have the defenders of Ole after us, but it was tactically naive from the starting team selection to the dithering over subs. How many times, Ole’s in game management is very lacking.


3.) 20 Jun 2020 12:04:20
I'm not ole's biggest fan bbt we are all disappointed that it was only a point away to a spurs team managed by the messiah jose. Not all bad.


4.) 20 Jun 2020 12:11:48
Spurs tactical where as defensive as it comes, kane son etc and they parked the bus .
We took the game to spurs and the special one .
When pogba and greenwood come on they they both made a difference .
Jose cv was 100% on show last night, spurs boring, negative untied and ole the better team .
Watching that last night I'm so glad jose and hi brand are no longer at united.


5.) 20 Jun 2020 12:18:01
Christ alive. Tactically all wrong? We won that game if it wasn’t for ANOTHER clanger from the keeper. We missed chances and I’d say would have been good value for the win. This isn’t anything in defence of Ole, but individual errors cost us last night not him.

First game back after 99 days, what are we expecting? James might have started because he was in the best shape. It’s going to take 3/ 4 games minimum for the players to be up to scratch fitness wise. No need to be so harsh.

Pogba did change the game, but he didn’t deserve to start, he hadn’t played since Boxing Day. Personally I wouldn’t have started rashford for the same reason but I felt he did well.

Seems like we’ve waited 99 to have a pop at manager. Be glad it’s back and look for some bloody positives because there were some last night, especially second half.


6.) 20 Jun 2020 12:26:49
While I agree Ole isn't the best tactically, I think it might be a bit harsh to judge last night's tactical decisions entirely based on a tactical merit.

Fitness will be a huge issue over the first few games. Pogba not starting for example probably has more to do with him not starting a match since September and not playing since Boxing Day. Matic struggles with fitness so I wasn't surprised with him not starting, McTominay is one of the fittest players in the squad, so I can see why Fred was taken off before McTominay.

I think the starting 11 named was probably our fittest 11 players. Which probably makes sense given the amount of time the players have had off and the limited opportunities they have had to get back up to fitness.

Ordinarily when players would have 3 months off over a summer that didn't have an international tournament they would have 4-5 weeks of pre-season with warm weather training camps, a tour and 6-7 games played. Currently they have had 2-3 weeks with only a couple of games and at the start limited contact and small groups training.

On the balance of play a draw was a fair result, away to a Jose Mourinho team. If anything I think we had the better chances and bar two great saves from Lloris from Rashford and Martial we could have snuck all three points. While the goal we conceded was in part due to rustiness of our defenders and part due to a very poor attempted save from DDG. Neither can really be blamed on the manager.

While I'm disappointed with a draw, it's certainly not the worst result. Especially when in context that this was our first game back and on paper our toughest remaining league fixture.


7.) 20 Jun 2020 13:13:38
Jred

If you knew how Jose would play, why didn’t Ole and the management team? Why play James if there isn’t going to be space to run into?


8.) 20 Jun 2020 13:14:31
When you desperately want to see the back of someone, you will find the most minute of things about them to criticize so am not surprised at some of the posts. My only issue with the game yesterday was that we played to slowly in the first half and James was virtually ineffective on the right due to how Spurs were set up there was no space for him to run in behind. In my opinion I would have started Mata on the right due to his technical ability on the ball and also his ability to find those little pockets of space with his clever runs am sure Bruno would've found him with those lobs over the defense. Mata would've either been fouled which might result in a penalty, get a shot on target, or plays a pass to an open team mate. I believe Mata and Bruno could also form a partnership on the pitch due to both being intelligent players. Am open to hear other posters opinion on a Mata/ Bruno link. We all know Mata is slow but pace was never his main asset. And based on our remaining fixtures, I believe most of the teams will adopt that sitting deep approach.


9.) 20 Jun 2020 13:49:34
StLucia

At the standard of football we play at, we should expect to have in place a manager who makes obvious decisions like the James one, like the timing of substitutions. Games are won and lost on small margins where such decisions are vital to get right, it’s one of the reasons why the top managers are sought after because they tend to.

Most other teams will look at the pace we have got and will not generously leave gaping spaces to use it, Ole has previously shown ineptitude when it comes to breaking down teams that sit back. We have a mini league right now of 8 games that we have to win well, we can’t afford learning on the job but that is what we have. We need a string of wins from here, maximising the finesse of Pogba and Bruno In tandem possibly plus Greenwood, the manager has to improve tactically to do that.


10.) 20 Jun 2020 13:49:38
Redman maybe there to look after the right side? Your talking about 1 issue.
99 days off loads of positives your picking minor faults .
Fir me we where by far the better team, a lot better to watch .
Spurs jose and his cv an absolute bore fest incomparisom .


11.) 20 Jun 2020 14:06:19
Jred

This 1 issue happens to be the tactical acumen, or lack of it, of the manager, rather important don’t you think?


12.) 20 Jun 2020 14:15:21
Mason has struggled when starting but has proved very effective coming off the bench. Perhaps this was in the thinking when starting DJ. We can nitpick on the tactical decisions and the delays in subs but on the whole - given the unprecedented lay off and this is the first game back - I think there's a lot to take from dominating a Jose team at home in which a horrendous error on our part and two fantastic saves denied us from what could easily have been a 3-0/ 3-1. Obviously there was some rustiness and against a well drilled team with a low block it was always going to be hard to unpick them. Lose some of the sloppy touches here and there around the box and we could have created a lot more. With everything taken into account I think there's a lot to take from the game, and agendas aside I can't understand all the negativity.


13.) 20 Jun 2020 14:16:49
Redman James didn't have a good game neither did kane it happens.
Loads of positives last night.

Your a massive fan of jose how do you think spurs where last night?
Awful footy imo, jose on the worse run of his career.
You have made a big deal about pogba not starting, what do you think about the decision to play and not sub kane? Worse player on the pitch imo.


14.) 20 Jun 2020 14:42:17
If anyone looked likely to win, it was United.
The save from Loris of Martial was a top one.

Unfortunately, this was the 5th game of the season where De Gea did another blunder.
Maguire too was at fault but he kept Kane in his pocket and was imperious aerially.

Even in the last minute of the match, Greenwood had a good opportunity.

Yes, a victory was essential, but the rustiness and tiredness was clear.
There were a lot of positives especially from Pogba.
That pass on the half volley to Rashford was probably the best of the season.


15.) 20 Jun 2020 14:38:04
I thought not starting pogba last night was the correct decision, allowed him to come on after so long out against tired legs and on another day we won 3-0 as said above. Also, Scott and Fred were brilliant before the break, not sure anyone could justify dropping either of them for a player who’s hardly played.


16.) 20 Jun 2020 14:51:27
Ole out brigade: "Ole got the tactics and team selection all wrong"

I make a valid point that team selection and tactics were probably more to do with fitness as this is the first competitive game in three months, with very little time to prepare for the game with less than ideal conditions.

Ole out brigade: with fingers in ears "lalalalala I can't hear you, Ole bla bla bla"

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.


17.) 20 Jun 2020 14:43:59
With what we have at our disposal 532 is probably our best formation.

We have no good wingers at all.


18.) 20 Jun 2020 14:54:13
Last night was such a clear representation in the change of direction the club has taken under Ole. If you could honestly say you didn't prefer the United performance to the Tottenham one, then you need your head checked. On one hand, we had the typical dogged, defensive Jose performance to which we became accustomed to - and they were at home!

Then we had the United team pressing high, playing with a high defensive line and trying to inject some impetus to the game. It wasn't flawless and I don't think Ole has the acumen to take us forward indefinitely, however the starkness in the mentality of the performances confirmed to me that I'm happy for Ole to continue to restore the ethos, steady the ship and take the team forward beyond the summer.


19.) 20 Jun 2020 15:10:22
TRD have to disagree with the Maguire assessment, I seriously don't see what he brings to the team. Much of the marking kane out of the game was done by lindelof, only thing maguire seemed to be doing is consistently leaving his cb position to take the ball up field only to make a 5 yard pass to shaw or rashford.

I don't get the tactical criticism of ole, they had 2 chances, 1 was the goal, other was the save off son. The goal was individual error. Only thing I would criticize ole for is the timing of the subs, every substitution he made should have been made 15 earlier than than he did. Someone really needs to tell him, 45th minute substitution is allowed and he doesn't have to wait for 60th-70th minute to make subs.

James was atrocious, Greenwood should be starting games from now on, Martial, mctominay, fred, rashford were poor. Pogba once again showed up his haters, being the best player on the pitch while playing just 30 mins, I can't wait for pog-nandes to start games.


20.) 20 Jun 2020 15:32:06
Somerset
You hit the nail on head there.


21.) 20 Jun 2020 15:47:45
It's as if I've never been away. Could have set my watch by some of these posts.

{Ed047's Note - it never changes, when you’re not playing your brilliant and players like Martial will be club legends and then when you play you see how far behind the real big boys you are and Martial is simply a leg end! 🤷‍♂️


22.) 20 Jun 2020 16:12:45
I have no problem with the starting line up other than I would have started Greenwood over James but i could see the logic.
We don't see training and who has shone or struggled to last the pace.
Looking at the games in Germany and early PL it feels similar with players off pace and the odd mistake. Results not as would have been pre C.V.
What we need to do is look to the next game, learn from this and see who is ready for that one.
In game decisions do worry me with Olly and would have made the change at half time.


23.) 20 Jun 2020 16:32:03
I wouldn't be too critical of any player with the exception of ddg.
Hindsight is great. Although changing 2 at half time would have been my preference.
There was very little quality on show. Pogba and bruno did produce good moments and chances. Other than that our pushing was very poor. Martial had 20 touches of the ball 5 in their box. That tells you we were not passing forward enough.
We were better than spurs they nicked a goal and sat deep we've seen it often enough. They came out after or goal a little but over all they were poor.
Im not sure anyone is convinced by ollys in-game management. let's hope Chelsea slip up like Leicester did. We don't need the gap getting any bigger.


24.) 20 Jun 2020 17:40:55
Jred

You asked “Your a massive fan of jose how do you think spurs where last night? Answer Better organised than us.

“You have made a big deal about pogba not starting, what do you think about the decision to play and not sub kane? Worse player on the pitch imo” Answer I didn’t make any such thing about Pogba. I thought after the strenuous warm up at half time Ole should have been decisive and brought him on for the full second half. Ole dithered. As to Kane I think not enough credit was given to Maguire who handled him very well.

Last night needed a decision at half time but we got indecision. We had 5 sub options so 2 at half time would have been the call. Did you really think Janes was going to make the difference after that first half show?

It’s a point yes but in the circumstances I wanted to see us come out and stamp our mark. We knew how Spurs would play but set the team up with pace to run into space behind their defence. Then didn’t change it at half time. Indecisive.

It was a draw, not a terrible result but when we have 9 cup finals we didn’t look like we were desperate to win, just happy not to lose.

Remember this is not about winning the league, this is about getting into the top 4, that’s where we are at.


25.) 20 Jun 2020 17:43:57
Perhaps the fitness coaches thought pogba would be good for 30 minutes after so long out and that’s why we saw the changes when we did. Good start back for him and hopefully he gets 60 on Wednesday and so on.


26.) 20 Jun 2020 17:45:45
We played fine for the first game in 3 months.

Jose parked his bus and we struggled to break them down.

Only mistake was starting James over Greenwood which he changed and was a fair mistake, Spurs being the home side would have expected to bring something to the game.

It’s not hard to imagine Utd playing like Spurs last night. pick your poison.


27.) 20 Jun 2020 17:46:30
Personally thought OGS played it well. Knew Sours would press, and then brought on Pogba and Greenwood to exploit their fatigue which, bar an excellent performance from Loris and and poor error from DDG would have worked.


28.) 20 Jun 2020 17:53:16
Redman
So maguire handled kane? kane was awful last night for the full 90 minutes .
James had a poor game and was replaced, greenwood come on and made a difference.

I woukdnt make a sub at half time, it very rarely happens for a reason .
Fact is the changes ole made worked and after a 99 day lay off and not 1 proper warm up game it was a positive first game .
I'm glad I'm not a spurs fan and after watching a masterclass in negative boring football I'm glad jose and his cv have gone .


29.) 20 Jun 2020 18:10:12
Gds
Also if you look at the other side of it players like James martial and a few others may need a couple of games to get up and running . Ots never as simple as people make out .
I think it was a good time and moment for pogba and especially greenwood to come in to the game.
Would they of played as well from the start?

Pogba could play full tempo and have a real go for 30 minutes as apposed to pacing himself for 90.
Greenwood was able to stay up top and play in the last 3rd, no tracking back as spurs made little attempt to get out there half.


30.) 20 Jun 2020 18:56:30
Red Man, did you enjoy watching Spurs last night? I always liked watching them over the years. Like us, they have a reputation for trying to play good football. I watched them last night, and it was just like watching us under José. If you want that, then fair enough, but I think he's got even more risk-averse as he's got older. Awful performance from them. There was only one team trying to win that game, and it wasn't Spurs.

As for subs at half-time, in all seriousness, how many times do you see a manager make a sub at half-time, never mind 2? Not often, and usually only if someone is carrying an injury, someone gets sent off, or you're getting a hiding.


31.) 20 Jun 2020 20:11:00
Well said Nou.


32.) 20 Jun 2020 20:20:48
"We won that game if it wasn’t for ANOTHER clanger from the keeper" love that line because you could change a few words and have "We won that game if it wasn’t for a terribly weak foul by Dier"


33.) 20 Jun 2020 20:29:40
James 9s poor up there with Lingard and periera for me.

Don't give him space to run then that's him out the game.

Championship quality player.


We probably need two wingers not one in the summer.


34.) 20 Jun 2020 23:20:21
Looking at the fixtures left for ourselves Leicester and Chelsea, even though the others have a points advantage I can see almost a 3 way tie by the end of the season. I still believe City’s ban will be upheld at least for a season so 5th should be good enough but clearly Sheffield United and possibly Wolves will be in the mix too.

Dropping points in a very winnable game yesterday I think means we can only drop 2pts for the remainder of the campaign. Despite that looking a tall order it is possible given a fully fit squad. But we have to start with the best 11 players we have and utilise the 5 subs to keep players fresh.

Ole has to make tactical changes as early as possible. Martial did nothing for me. Again. Yes forced a great save but what else. Ighalo should have been introduced much earlier and held up the ball better as well as being greater physical presence. Pogba should have started for me and failing that started the second half at the very least. Equally Dan James could’ve been pulled earlier too.

Our best midfield is Matic and Pogba behind Bruno. Start with that and good options in Fred (though average yesterday) and McTominay to change things up or offer fresh legs. Greenwood needs to start. Starts before Martial all day for me but more likely takes James RW spot. Given games will come thick and fast I’d be minded to give Ighalo much more game time and starts.

Lots of negativity around and natural after dropping points in a game many will think we should’ve won. There were good signs too though in how we played second half.

Like I said I do think looking at remaining fixtures we can qualify for Champs League and that is ultimately on what Ole will be judged on. A lot to play for and still can win 2 cups too but there is absolutely no margin for error now.


35.) 21 Jun 2020 02:01:58
Halesini,

I think we can drop more than that, results will be a lot stranger than you’re expecting, we are in with a shot of top 4, top 3 if we do win almost every game.


36.) 21 Jun 2020 08:24:14
99 days off no pre season, I think all teams will drop points there will be some strange results.


 

 

08 Mar 2020 20:10:07
Another win and clean sheet.

Full team quality today could've been more with people being to greedy.

Both goals masssive keeper mistakes but definitely should've had a penalty or 2.

Love the 5 at the back against the better teams it's by far the best choice.

Dan James was good but my good so infuriating with his decision making.


1.) 08 Mar 2020 20:57:21
Completely agree. DJ gets a lot of stick because of his drop in form statistically, but today he was a perfect outlet for easing the pressure on the defence. I thought Ighalo was introduced at exactly the right point too for that task.


2.) 08 Mar 2020 21:02:13
That mctominay kid looks decent 🤣.


3.) 08 Mar 2020 21:06:58
I'm not sure it was greed more the fact neither James or martial had the composure or vision to look for the pass, both were pretty simple cut backs.


4.) 08 Mar 2020 21:07:14
James and martial had a few chances to lay it on an plate for people and fluffed their lines.

Your man Matic was pretty stella too Wilbot. Maybe he reads the site 🤣

Have to be pretty happy tonight.


5.) 08 Mar 2020 21:12:27
I think we've seen enough evidence now to suggest Ole has developed an effective system for playing against the better teams.

When we defend deep as a back five with two holding midfielders we are really hard to break down. In the transitions we can be breathtaking with the pace of Martial and James causing teams all sorts of problems that want to play a high line and push their full backs forward. As always in such games it's imperative we get the first goal but when we score first we become a very dangerous and determined proposition.

When we play as a back 5 Maguire's lack of pace becomes less of an issue and Lindelof rarely gets exposed physically. AWB is imperious when defending 1v1 and Shaw's quality on the ball and powerful running means we are better able to transition from defensive positions. Maguire is also comfortable in stepping into midfield on occasions and making foraging runs forward giving us a platform to play.

In midfield Matic's lack of mobility is not as exposed as we have more defensive cover and the energy and mobility provided by Fred and Fernandes means we can still press or transition quickly in attack.

Martial is more suited to playing as a split striker where he is able to collect the ball in the left channel and dribble at defenders. The open spaces also allow James to utilise his blistering pace and direct running.

I think the question is can this system be tweaked to enable us to break down teams that will sit deep and allow us possession of the football?

I think Greenwood or Ighalo could replace James in attack who is less effective when he can't utilise his pace. Greenwood is fantastic in and around the box where he can manipulate the ball in tight areas and shoot with accuracy and power. Ighalo holds the ball up well and has cute movement allowing himself to generate a extra yard of space in the box.

There should be an emphasis on pushing the wing backs higher and Shaw should be encouraged to drive forward and make underlapping runs from deep where he is hard to pick up.

With Rashford out injured it's probably the best system that affords us the most balance. It allows us to play two upfront, maintaining numbers in midfield, cover in defence whilst still providing width.


6.) 08 Mar 2020 21:14:35
We are still criticising every minute detail after Martial scored and we deservedly best our main rivals 2-0. Enjoy it .


7.) 08 Mar 2020 21:38:10
Martial was excellent today, especially defensively first half. Two great headers.


8.) 08 Mar 2020 22:47:43
I thought Shaw was impeccable again, today. Made every tackle, and he always tries to find an outlet with his passing. Think he might have been caught out once with his positioning, but Mahrez hardly got a sniff once he was up against Luke. He looked really unflustered, and looked totally in control.


9.) 09 Mar 2020 07:56:08
With Greenwood, u think he is more effective coming off the bench. Tiring defences with 20 minutes to go, is perfect for him to come on.


10.) 09 Mar 2020 08:15:53
Nou I even noticed mahrez got desperate enough to try a run at wan bissaka. Bless him, but if he’s not getting past shaw he doesn’t have a hope with AWB.


11.) 09 Mar 2020 13:47:58
Caolan in response to your that Mctominay kid looks decent.

We played far better when he wasn't on the pitch and became too defensively when he came on.

Matic is the better defensive player and he swept up well all game, especially getting back to pick up the embarrassing Maguire mistake and stop aguero from scoring.

Brilliant performance from the lads. Mctominay took his goal well but was an open goal and was harder to miss but fair play for him getting to the ball and finishing the game.


12.) 09 Mar 2020 17:55:13
Wilbot, don’t you think we became more defensive because he was brought on to defend? And I don’t know about you, but ‘harder to miss’ seems a little unfair - I know I would have sliced that one into the stands and in the rain especially. You can’t expect him to be Xavi, but the guy is class and reads the game better than most. Seems there’s no pleasing some people!


 

 

07 Mar 2020 18:10:32
Can't find the article on sky sports but before Christmas when Lindeloff Maguire and Matic played together we had 2 clean sheets in 2 games . since Christmas it's something like 9 in 12, so in 14 games when them 3 played together we've kept 11 clean sheets which is great.

What's not great is the stats when Matic isn't playing we seem to concede w lot more and far less clean sheets.

Matic > Mctominay.


1.) 07 Mar 2020 19:26:16
Yes we get it Wilbot, you're actually Nemanja Matic and you want a new contract as Inter aren't interested anymore 😂.


2.) 07 Mar 2020 19:40:03
I think we get it, you don’t like mctominay.


3.) 07 Mar 2020 21:21:59
Wilbot must be the only fan who genuinely dislikes mctominay. He is by no means world class but is a tidy player.


4.) 07 Mar 2020 22:49:16
Hes a Darren Fletcher type. Useful but not as good as Carrick or Scholes. But these days we don't have a Carrick or Scholes.


5.) 07 Mar 2020 23:05:45
Or maybe Matic doesn’t fancy a move to Northern Italy right now.


6.) 07 Mar 2020 23:57:30
or maybe we do not have the money to do things other clubs dream aout anymore. debt gone up scouse and city overtaking us in rich league.

{Ed002's Note - Money is not an issue.}


7.) 08 Mar 2020 08:12:25
I like Mctominay but he's not what people are saying he is.

Stats prove were better when we've got Matic in the team and we concede far less than when Mctominay is starting.


8.) 08 Mar 2020 11:57:50
Wilbot, what are people saying he is?

When he got injured he was our most on form midfielder? True or false?

He has been consistently our best midfielder over the last 18 months? true or false?

I haven't seen anyone claiming him to be the second coming of Robson, Scholes or Keane. Or even that he has the ability of Carrick. What I've seen is people say he is always fully committed, plays with heart and has been our most in form midfielder over the last 18 months. He has been likened to Butt and Fletcher. That should tell you something.

He was a big miss for us while out injured, and he is a huge boost now he is back fit and able to play.

McTominay is more mobile than Matic, works harder and covers more ground. Over the last 18 months he has also broken up play more effectively. Where Matic beats McTominay is in passing range and he has a higher technical level.

Yet, Matic is probably in the best form of his United career right now. He was solid in his first 4 months, then tired after Christmas in his first season with his form tailing off. Which is pretty much in line with his last couple of season at Chelsea. In his second season his form started to decline in November. Leading many to wonder if he had the legs to play a whole season in the EPL anymore if he can't hack the pace up until Christmas.
This season he started off in poor form, regularly picked up injuries and generally struggled to play until Christmas. However, since January he has been top class again, excellent form and arguably his best form in a United shirt.

Now is that because he has hardly played in the first four months, so what we are seeing now is what would normally be his start of the season form which generally has been good.
Or has he not got the offers he was expecting from abroad and is now working hard in order to get a new deal with us?

The fact of the matter is that in his 2 and half years here he hasn't been able to maintain this level of form for more than 3-4 months at a time. That is why many suggest his legs are gone. He doesn't seem to have the fitness to play at this level twice a week for 9 months at a time.

Personally I think Matic still has something to give, but as a squad player rather than a first choice midfielder. Someone who can play once a week or even every other week, come in for those games where you need a little experience. However, at 31 Matic needs to decide if that is something he is happy with.
The occasional remark to the press about not being able to rely on young players, and the fact that he has actively pursued a move away while he wasn't in the starting line up suggests he isn't ready to accept a squad role just yet. I wouldn't be against activating the one year extension in his contract. However, next season really should be the last year he has at our club.

Nothing against him, he moved here, worked hard, has helped us and been a solid if unspectacular player. I would wish him the best when he leaves. But he will never be one of those players that in years to come you'll go all dewy eyed over remember him in a United shirt.


9.) 08 Mar 2020 15:33:48
Just to be clear Wilbot. Stats do not prove anything. They can be used to make any argument.

When we beat city, we played mctominay and fred in a two shielding with lingard pressing from 10 and rashford, martial and james playing high and wide upfront. We looked pretty good that day and certainly did not miss matic.

Matic is a good player. He can be slow on the ball. He can be slow to cover. He can drop too deep, which I think is because he is worried about his recovery pace. BUT he does read the game well and sometimes his slow steadiness in midfield brings a composure to the whole team. His passing is okay, I don't subscribe to this view that his passing is far ahead of McTominay.

If Pogba comes back in a motivated mood (big if) then could Matic holding be a good balance with Pogba and Fernandes playing ahead? A sort of 4.1.4.1 formation? Maybe, but I would prefer that role to have the pace to get out and cover marauding fullbacks. Like Kante for example.


10.) 08 Mar 2020 15:51:22
Dodgy, Matic looks better currently because Fred covers enough ground for the two of them, while Bruno also drops deeper and helps out. So there is plenty of legs. In a 4141 system I think Matic's lack of mobility would be exposed and he would look terrible.

He needs at least one other body close to him to cover the ground he can't.


11.) 08 Mar 2020 18:39:35
He played pretty well today, got out and triggered the press a few times. Dipped his toes in the opposition's box. More of that please Matic!


12.) 08 Mar 2020 18:43:55
None of use can just give matic credit use are all stuck up Mctominays bottom.


 

 

 

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03 Jul 2020 20:20:25
How reliable is Castles though? Isn't he like a tier 3/ 4 journalist?


 

 

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31 May 2020 22:48:25
Following United on twitter Orr instagram now apparently 👀👀 that 100% means were nailed on to sign him 😂😂😂.


 

 

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21 May 2020 16:18:39
Matic has been quality since his return and the reduced number of goals we've conceded is evident.

Far better defensively when Matic plays over Mctominay. Fact.


 

 

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27 Feb 2020 20:51:37
Well it's no coincidence that when he plays were a better team.


 

 

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15 Feb 2020 01:35:30
De Gea has probably been our stand out player again this season bar 1 or 2 errors.

Made a lot of top saves kept us in games.

For me still the best in the league.


 

 

 

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05 Jul 2020 18:26:46
How can anyone blame Bailly for the penalty? Was a poor ball back from Matic of which clearly hit him on the top of the shoulder.

We need2 CBs not anyone to play alongside Maguire he's just not cut out for the highest level. Imo.


 

 

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05 Jul 2020 13:06:43
It's not about calling out different players.

It's just moving forward especially in midfield and attack were building something specially and have adequate back up in some areas.

Leicester fans even said Jonny Evans was better than Maguire they've also done better without him. They also mentioned how Chilwell always got him out the trouble countless times over the season.

We need 2 top CBs and a RW to try compete for me.


 

 

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05 Jul 2020 12:55:50
His best period was Christmas till lockdown since and before he was average.

He's not and never will be a top CB.

He's average and always will be, we paid over the odds of which couldve of got the likes of Lewis Dunk who's just as good for more than half that fee.

He backs off players allowing them to run and have space. His positional awareness is awful.

Off the top my head without going back there's games like Norwich although Mctominay lost ball was still poor from Maguire after. 2 goals against Sheff united, one were he allowed mousett to run at him and let him shoot the the mcburnie goal the wasn't at the player and made a poor attempt to block the shot. the goal yesterday and the spurs goal to name a few I could probably rewatch a few and point out more.

The midfield and attack seems to be getting in the right direction but the defence especially the CB position we need two top CBs not to ok cbs.

We all want to win titles and get to the next level and for me Maguire isn't good enough.


 

 

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05 Jul 2020 10:43:46
Each VAR review should be 1minute max. If you can't pick it up after a minute it's not clear and obvious.


 

 

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03 Jul 2020 19:49:52
He's made load of mistakes since he came especially early on just nothing gets said or repeatedly mentioned or re played like DDG mistakes.

He's let in quote a few soft goals that no one says a word but if was DDG he's be scrutinized.

Any top goalkeeper with defence will always look good and have little to do.