04 Nov 2015 14:26:38
Too many moans from former players who never managed before these days. Looks like punditry is the in thing. Amazing number of we united fans still leaving in d past. Only SAF guaranteed success. No other manager does, Not even the special one fighting relegation now. Maybe its time ex-players pundits get off their high horses.

1.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 15:57:39
Firstly Chelsea aren't fighting relegation, ridiculous statement. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished above us. i'd be annoyed if they did being so far back, but not surprised.

Secondly, nobody is expecting us to win the treble. But as of yet, having spent £250m upwards, we haven't even challenged, or come close to any major throphy. This isn't good enough with the players we have. This squad has a lot of top top players, De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Hererra, to name a few, are all players that would get into most if not all premier league teams. The issue is the way they're being made to play, and the tactics we use. It's clear to see. So sorry, but what Paul Scholes amongst others has said, is only what 90% of us are thinking. As a fan as well as an ex player, why wouldn't he say what he sees?

2.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 18:36:56
Sorry but is the season over? What makes you think you are not challenging? Are you out of the champions league? How many points are you off the league table? Please don't let your hate for LVG blind you and make you think you are not challenging. You can as well play like robots and still win the league.

3.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 18:53:37
Stand I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said. It will be interesting come the end of the season because everyone agreed that as a minimum expectation this campaign LVG should be challenging for the league until the last ball is kicked, we should be making the last eight of the CL and winning a domestic trophy (or FA cup now thanks to the mighty Boro) .

It seems as if since the 'philosophy' has failed to evolve (possibly even went backwards a little) folks expectations have wavered over the past couple of months and that is why we keeping seeing this BS statement of 'LVG is just here for stability not to win anything'. Which is interesting because by his own admission LVG plans on winning the league and that his 'philosophy' would have taken 3 months to click.

4.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 19:26:01
I don't remember everyone agreeing. You can't just jump form 4th to compete for the title. The predictions competition had most United fans tipping Chelsea or City so I'm not sure everyone agreed. What we want to se is progress and an improvement in style.

5.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 19:41:26
Erm, everyone didn't agree, I felt third was what we could expect given the summer purchases.

AJH
Maze is just trying to build up the target so he can say LVG has failed at the earliest opportunity.

6.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 19:45:18
AJH I think you'll find if you go back and have a look folk said that they were happy to give LVG a bedding in season but afterwards expect a title challenge. Even more so now Chelsea have capsized a title challenge should be minimum expectation. We have a good team.

7.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 20:06:08
Chelsea went from 6th to second in the 20011/12 season. Why can't you go from 4th to compete for the title? Pretty sure Liverpool went from 6th ish to coming second just 2 points off winning it? So after £250m spent on top of already having some good players, I think we should defiantly be challenging. But as I said, I full believe in the squad. I just don't think LVG let's us express ourselves and is more worried about losing that winning.

8.) 04 Nov 2015
04 Nov 2015 20:54:07
Stand good post. Eventually some sensible logic.

9.) 05 Nov 2015
05 Nov 2015 06:03:04
LOL

I had us finishing first when AJH did his survey but to be fair it was before city bought De Bruyne and Othamendi.

My reasoning was based on the below:

1. Chelsea did very little to improve their side in areas needed.

2. Arsenal did almost nothing in the transfer market.

3. City who i thought were going to be pretty much what they were and i did not think sterling or delph were that significant of signing for them.

We added the most players in most relevant positions that everyone acknowledged needed fixing but a striker, which was a late deal after Tony's survey (martial) and I thought the team is good enough to win the league, now I don't.

I am still of the view it will be a nail biter for 4th place for us.

10.) 05 Nov 2015
05 Nov 2015 09:09:45
As much as it surprises me, I have to agree with MAZE. we should always be competing. I appreciate what LVG is trying to do in setting up for the future, but let's be realistic, he needs to be challenging for trophies this season.

11.) 05 Nov 2015
05 Nov 2015 10:00:04
We are just at the end of a very tough run, a few weeks ago we went top of the league, it might pain some of you to notice this, but we are challenging.

12.) 05 Nov 2015
05 Nov 2015 15:14:49
GDS

We need to start winning games convincingly on a regular basis with the odd bad result. As you say on paper the next 5 games is the opportunity to go out and prove that.

Whilst Arsenal and City are not perfect and have their occasional blunders, they tend to put together winning streaks and hammer teams in the process convincingly. We need to be like that to be realistically challenging.

Arsenals away form against teams you should beat is very good and they don't drop points on a regular basis like we do. To win the league we ned to win away games and draws are not good enough.

I reckon the way the league is shaping up 84 or 85 points wins it, we need 63 minimum points from our remaining 27 games to be in with a shout.

Btw we are really 5 points behind when you consider goal difference and I don't think we will improve on that against city and Arsenal and if anything it will get wider as the season goes on.

Spurs might be a good shout against arsenal this weekend if they still are missing the players from last night.