Manchester United Banter Archive June 20 2013

20 Jun 2013 23:34:32
Seriously all you in the know blokes, you obviously feel the need to post i. e. Ronny will sign etc.
Now your massive ego must think I say therefore it will happen, you offer no word of "Yeah my mate he's Ronny's best best bro" or "I'm porking his agents mrs"
So from what planet do you think this snippet of foreplay is going to even be considered?
Seriously? You even think this is going to be taken seriously?
Morons R Us lol

21 Jun 2013 00:34:11
thiago whoa thiago whoa he signed a shirt, he made the itk's squirt thiago whoa thiago whoa

I'm definitely not an in the know bloke but to answer your question. My brother used to play football for Hearts, we were in a pub in Dunfermline and another ex-Hearts player ( who later moved to the Championship) told us that Man U were interested in Thiago Alcantara. I watch quite a bit of Spanish football and think he will be a world beater. This was early March.
At the end of March I saw a news article, quoting Thiago's dad saying he needed first team football and was likely to leave Barca. So I registered here, been a long time reader but seldom posting and asked if we were interested actually asked 3 times and no reply but hey ho.
Admittedly this could be putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 but its a rumours site right? {Ed002's Note - Manchester United made offers to buy Thiago two years ago.}

20 Jun 2013 22:40:55
So happy about our blue samarai kagawa's display was scared he would lose that special touch after the injury, kagawa has a unique footballing technique that we haven't had the likes of since a young scholes, so glad he a red devil player, not only got poaching skill but composure on the ball is superb no wonder barca was scouting him at dortmund

ADA

Did he play well?

20 Jun 2013 22:03:43
Pending a medical, Thiago Alcantara will be a United player next season. Contract agreed this afternoon

OT Ghost

20 Jun 2013 21:37:51
with all this talk about chelsea trying to hijack the thiago deal I don't think it will happen. don't think any of the barca players even liked mourinho hope am right

20 Jun 2013 21:11:10
Hi Ed, thanks for great information you guys give us. Are the stories about us going after Gaitan, and using Garay as a 'smoke screen' true?Going after Gaitan makes more sense as we don't need another CB and we need a quality winger with Nani leaving.
Thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are referring to - sorry.}

20 Jun 2013 21:16:34
Graham Hunter of a website - "Thiago Alcantara and #MUFC close enough for wages to be agreed. " Only a matter of time now!

20 Jun 2013 20:55:12
Arsenal fan here. well folks I think its the end of an era for you chaps, you will never replace fergie. kills me to say it but he was the master of the premiership but never mind you will soon be an everton. hehe.

When did you last win something?

What and b challenging yous and spurs for 4th spot ha? Get a grip fergie has put us in a strong position to be just fine and in moyes we have the next scot to show bazil faulty and his team of bottlers how to win leagues? don't even no why I replied you not even our rivals! United99

I guarantee we will not go 7 years without winning a trophy, so we won't even be an arsenal! We will actually have a much better squad next season than we had this season. Of course it's an end of an era, but you are hoping beyond hope that means the end of united, and I can tell you now that it isn't.

Yeah your right chum we might only score 6 against you next season instead of 8. Still RVP should be good for another 20 odd goals again. 8 years and counting.

LOL. Arsenal fan talking about being the next Everton when you've won what in the past 8 years?

Could be worse could be an arsenal.

The summer transfer period hasn't even started and Moyes hasn't even played his first match for Manchester United yet an Arsenal fan (yeah an ARSENAL fan!) calls it the end of an era for us. Whatever happens, you can be sure that we won't spend 8 trophyless years ;).

Nicolas_United

Everton look a better bet for a trophy than your sorry lot so its not all doom and gloom is it!

DanB

It won't take us 8 years to win our next trophy! Also Moyes has the determination and desire like Fergie to make it happen, unlike Wenger who hasn't got a clue how to get a team over the line!

Red Robin.

We may or may not be as successful I cnt predict the future but at least we had an era hehe

Dio1989

If you can make 4th consistently with the terrible squad you have, then I think we'll be fine.

You nearly are Everton.

1redarmy

"you will never replace fergie"

Sorry but I thought we'd already replaced him, with Moyes? You need to keep up son.

He may not be a world beater on paper but he's won just as many trophies as Arsene has managed with a better team in the last 7 or 8 years, lol. What's his excuse?

The new manc's in town are in blue. man u play boring football. afc to dominate the next era.

Talking about an era liverpool have 5 stars on there arm

That is so stupid.
DHK

21 Jun 2013 00:15:14
You have absolutely no garauntees of winning anything any time it is just your we're the biggest club in the world ego cr4p pouring out again.

It's really no wonder nobody likes you, you're all on here gagging for some signings to save you from the decline that worries everyone of you behind all that bluff and bluster.

You deserve all the 5h1t you're going to get.

Marcellus Wallace

Take it you boys forget it took you 26 years to win a league.
Paul Belfast

Wow really has this post just happened? Arsenal fans! Yes Arsenal fans telling us it the end of a era! Sorry while ure predicting these crazy things please tell me who u have signed to make this assessment of a new dawn for your lot? A french division 2 striker? Possibly higuin who let's be honest wanted juve but they didn't want to pay the fee.
But then I guess wenger has given u plenty of hope over the last 8 years, wait! No he aint! Get in ure place goner, u are fighting it out with everton and spurs for 4th! We are fighting for trophies, Marcellas Wallace, u post so much drivel no one takes notice anymore.
These predictions ain't what's going to happen, its what u wish could happen, so climb off ure cloud, and get into the real world, because while we are getting linked with players barca would love to keep, and even try and float a Fabregas rumour to keep us away, u are buying a striker Madrid have wanted rid of for years and for 22m! So, I predict this time next season we won't hear from u again but u will still be crying over a lack of investment, a manager out of touch and why u didn't go for Moyes when u had the chance! Seems a bit more likely to me dnt u think?
Chris the REDman

20 Jun 2013 19:57:39
Thiago rumours really gathering pace now hope they're on the money. Be a excellent addition

20 Jun 2013 18:44:51
My wife's brother's cleaner's uncle's cat has just seen Thiago making a U sign with his fingers. This definitely means he's signing for us this week.

Oh. didn't your cat told u that it has seen ronaldo also?

Rodio17

Shut up AJH, would have believed it more had it been your cat - who clearly is very opinionated following his message to gan. What are this other cat's credentials? Does he have links to Spain?

Was the cat feline alright? sorry.

Supasub

Ooh, your wife's brother has a cleaner! Lardy Dah :)

I know there are rumours all over the site, but one thought has intrigued me. If I play for PSG on £300,000 a week (75% tax) I get £75000 per week. If I play for Manchester United at £180,000 per week (45% tax) I get £99,000 per week. Am I missing something? Very likely!
Alan

20 Jun 2013 22:08:53
If only it was that simple Alan. This is why ed002 doesn't get involved in money talks. For a start in england when your earnings exceed the lower tax bracket it is only the money over that tax bracket that is taxed at the higher rate. Everything below the tax bracket is taxed at the lower rate. Then there is all sort of loop holes and different things that can be done to bring taxes down. With a sole trader you can become a limited company then pay yourself a low wage taxed at a low rate, then pay yourself dividends as a share holder which are also taxed at a lower rate. I doubt footballers can declare themselves limited companies but if they can then they can bring their tax bill down like that. You also get tax breaks if you donate certain amounts of money to charity. And there used to be a clever clause where players would get paid in expensive artwork and cars but that loop hole has been closed now.

Ultimately unless you are a tax accountant and you know the ins and outs of all the european countries tax systems then yoh will never be able to work out exactly how much a player earns and how much more or less they could earn playing in a different country.

Yes money plays a part in a player choosing to go to a club, but there are many other factors. Playing time, playing style, a coach or player they would like to work with, a country or city they want to live in, their families preferances, lauguage barriers, playing position, certain league, european credentials, title asperations ect ect ect.

I just think its easier as fans to site money as the reason for a player not choosing their club. And more often than not they would be right. But there are a host of other potential factors too.

And the award for most random reply to a post goes to. Alan.

Take a bow son ;)

Rk16

Thats a very intelligent cat you have there AJH

20 Jun 2013 18:31:48
Just seen a video clip of Tiago signing what looks like a man u shirt (Irish Independant)

No. 1 man u fan

20 Jun 2013 17:27:46
What a difference a season makes! At the beginning of the season, there were some who questioned De Gea, called for Lindegaard to be installed as our No. 1, talks about the availability of Begovic, etc. Now it's talk of how long we can keep De Gea for, and worried discussions as to whether he might be ever tempted back to his homeland.

The point of my post is not to message a "I told you so" (as I for one have to admit that I had some quiet doubts!) but rather to give wonderful credit to the lad. He could have let it effect him, buried his head in the sand, sulked and look to leave, etc. Instead he knuckled down, trained hard, didn't let it effect him and only 12 months on is now considered one of the best keepers in the world.

My only hope is that in 3-4 years time when De Gea is unarguably considered THE best keeper in the world, people do not forget the role a certain Mr. Eric Steele played in his development, at what is probably the most critical stage of David's career.

WF Red Devil

I'm so glad I stuck behind him 100% through and through, put my neck on the line a bit in the pub a few times and they were all the first people to jump on me when it went wrong but as last season proved especially the end of the season how good he really is, it's brilliant to say I told you so

What do you think of the young Norwegian keeper. Ole has him and I think he is going to be very special he looks like he is made for the physicality of the Premiership

I never doubted the lads ability, he for me will be the best goalkeeper in the world in under 3 years.
Chris the REDman

20 Jun 2013 18:48:45
He did look good didn't he Kloot, I think he needs to move to a Prem team where he'll play every week. Either that or a move to a lesser european league such as France or Portugal.

Thibaut Courtois and Marc-Andre Ter Stegen will be better. Not being harsh, just being honest.

Kloot, are you takling about Ørjan Nyland? I am from Norway, so I know a bit of him. He was incredible for Norway against Spain in the U-21 semifinals. However, he has just joined Molde (Ole's team), and I do feel he needs to play a bit in the Norwegian Premier League, as well as playing for a low-table PL-team, before moving to a top club, such as Manchester United. I have read that he is being linked to Roma, but not quite sure he is good enough right now. The talent is there, but he is not the finished article. A possibility could be him being De Gea's understudy, and when he eventually goes back to Spain, Nyland can be our new first keeper.

ZigZag

Zigzag,

Do you know where zee is mate? We have lost him again : (

Good post! I had a few quiet doubts but I always remained positive. Looks like he's matured into a quality keeper with plenty of time for further develop.

Re: Eric Steele - I'm sure the most important person will never forget his input, that's DDG himself.

Never doubted him whatsoever. Brilliant shot stopper from day one, still lots he needs to improve on but he came here to a different league and culture, one of the biggest clubs in the world and in goalkeeping terms he was little more than a toddler. His kicking and throwing is improving, once he learns to command his area he will certainly be one of the worlds best, he is already not far away and he will still make some big mistakes as he is young. As for noname and his Courtois and Stegen comments, football manager? Maybe they will become better players than De Gea. I really couldn't care less, we have a player who could be a brilliant keeper for the club for another 10-15 years ANd I love his tweets and interviews, there is no need whatsoever to cast envious glances at other keepers as we have a top top keeper.
Invisible stuey

Sorry GDS, don't know him in real life, and have no idea where he is.

ZigZag

20 Jun 2013 15:19:27
A friend of my wife's landed in LA last night and has a PIC with ronaldo and he was on a flight out? Time works out with others on here seeing Manchester United officials picking some one up from air port also you can't get a shirt with number 7 on from utd shop? Fingers crossed

He is in Miami isn't he?

Brendan81

20 Jun 2013 17:23:18
He's going to south Florida according to his twitter account!

Why let that get in the way of a wet dream. Just pass him the tissues and let him get back to Ronaldo

20 Jun 2013 14:03:35
I hope we see De Gea with at least 5 more seasons with us but as a matter of interest, how long do you see big Dave playing for us?

I think until Casillas retires!

I think it depends on whether he wants to go back home at some point in his career, at this moment he seems more settled than ever in manchester and is loving playing for us, add to that the likely arrival of thiago which will hopefully see him stay with us for a long time.

phil

I honestly think he'l be around long term.
A lot of people get obsessed with players from latin countries always wanting to go home after a couple of seasons but that ain't always the case.
Pepe reina at the temple of doom springs to mind. he's been there nearly ten years and has been linked with a move back to spain regularly but seems settled.
de gea does seem happy and especially after his shaky form early in his time here seems to have settled quite well.
Heres hoping he stays 10years :)

BABY FACED ASSASIN

There will always be that concern that foreign players will want to return home one day and with the potential of Big Dave, there will always be whispers every season especially as he improves every game.

I suppose the good thing with Big Dave is he came from Athletico Madrid and with no disrespect intended to AM, had he come from Real or Barca I think it would be harder to keep him due to their global attraction, success and history, Fabregas being a prime example.

I hope he is our GK into his 30's and perhaps if we get Thiago that would make him even happier in England but obviously it would depend on how long Thiago would stay around as well. The Premier League seems to be attracting top Spanish talent right now, Mata, Silva, De Gea, Michu and prior to this, Torress when he was good :)

You do get cases of foreign footballers finding their ''football home'', Cantona and Henry. Hopefully De Gea will be like this and with Legends like Van Der Sar and Schmeichel to follow, De Gea will want to emulate them.

So in conclusion GortonRed, I don't know :)

A long time unless we are ever not succesful anymore. I don't think he would go to Real due to his Athletico past. Barca maybe if we were no longer challenging but I think he will stay until well into his 30's and finish his career back at Athletico.

Brendan81

20 Jun 2013 11:23:03
De Gea : "Thiago to Man United? Hopefully I can have a Spanish teammate. Every United player would want him to join. "
"We've been joking about Thiago joining, but Barça know they have a great player and I don't think they'll let him go. "

20 Jun 2013 08:03:43
Just read down the site but can't see anything about it, did Kagawa play well?

Could he be world class based on one game?

Well last night he was superb, take the praise that Klopp has given him it does hint at possible world class could be on the horizon. Had some world class touches I thought

Kagawa isn't world class based on one game. He's just world class. (I know world class is used to often but he just is!)

Kai

20 Jun 2013 11:17:16
I think he showed what he can do with good players around him, much like he did at Dortmund.

Shame he has to scrag about with your midfield to be honest. Not the best move he made. ;-)

Love you long time GDS

I would say its more based on his performances for Dortmund and Japan over the last few seasons and the glimpses of class he showed at United in his debut season.

could he be world class based on one game? that's just a silly statement GDS

Nowhere near world class yet but has the potential to be.

Simmo

I see people on here still don't get sarcasm. Every single post below mine is about how good Kagawa was last night and what an amazing player we have on our hands. Obviously my 'been reading the page but can't see anything about it' was lost on some people. Apologies for trying to make a joke.

I know he isn't world class after one game, that's what I was getting at, he is going to be great for us next season though. I posted a month or so back how I felt Kagawa would benefit most out of the whole squad with fergie leaving, he had no idea what to do with him or how to play him and he didn't fit into the old fashioned 4-4-2 with wingers fergie insisted on sticking to (especially when Valencia was playing).

We will see a different Kagawa under moyes, and hopefully he can kick on and be a fantastic player for us this season.

GDS, I think a lot of it had to do with SAF getting to fully know the player, his abilities, strenghts, weaknesses, etc. It was also to give Kagawa time to settle into a totally new environment. He did start playing a lot better towards the end of the season which was very encouraging. I agree though that SAF did not play him where he would have been most effective.

J Bones.

P. S. I thought your OP was very witty, but you had to ruin it with your snide reply. If you don't mind me saying I think you need to lighten up a bit GDS. Let go of all those negative thoughts, breathe in a bit of fresh air and clear your mind.

J Bones,

My reply was not 'snidy' was it? It was clear that nobody got my original post! If it came across that way it wasn't meant to be, I was more being aplogetic that my joke fell flat!

Maybe I do need to lighten up, I don't mind you saying, but on this post I wasn't deliberately being like that, sorry pal.

Wow! J Bones! Take a look in the mirror mate!

Dem bones dem bones dem. tetchy bones ;)

20 Jun 2013 01:11:07
Kagawa and Honda are beasts. They make Italy look mediocre. Tough loss for Japan.

20 Jun 2013 00:47:07
Now we can truly see how good Kagawa can be for me he must be playeed in the hole I just pray to God Moyes uses him to his potential

20 Jun 2013 00:39:22
I've been umming and ahhing over one player this season who everytime i've seen him play he has impressed me.

We do always tend to look to sign players with premier league experiance rather than loads of untested players.

Now with someone like Thiago looking a possiblity then I would suggest we need someone who is a strong presence in midfield.

With this in mind how would people feel about making a move for Morgan Schneiderlin?

He has easily been the best DM in the premier league last season. He would offer a good long term option to Carrick. And a midfield three of Carrick Schneiderlin and Thiago would be very strong both physically and tactically.

So what is everyones opinion of Morgan Schneiderlin?

20 Jun 2013 02:30:46
He's played one season in the prem and most of that in a relegation battle in a team trying to adapt to a higher standard. I think he needs to spend one more season with southampton to see how he does, whether he is the real deal or if there's any second season syndrome. I'd rather have strootman in all honesty.

Morgan Schnyderlin looks a great prospect;)

20 Jun 2013 08:22:22
If you look at his stats, Schneiderlin is a pretty underrated playef. He was Southampton's best player by quite a margin. He was in the top 3 in terms of interceptions and tackles per game in the league. his passing, while not the most spectacular, is assured. To be honest i'd rather have Strootman even though Schneiderlin would be more useful in his first season here but the former has world class potential while I don't see the later reaching any levels above Carrick

Mick

Morgan Sneiderlin was the player who made the biggest impression on me last season in his position, a much better player than the vastly overated Strootman and we know he can hack it in the premier league.
Raffa

I agree Shappy. Every time I have watched Southampton he has been their best player. I believe Arsenalare sniffing around him.

I've been thinking about this one too!

I think he needs another season or 2 though, I mean when Blackpool were in the EPL Vaughan was clearly one of the best DM.

at Wigan a few years ago Lee Cattermole was brilliant.

so, I would see how he does this season but he could be a great little buy.

The Moon.

Good to see a different name on here. Looked a pretty good player in the games I watched. I don't think he is ready to step up to a big club yet and with the money at SOuthampton think his best move is to not move and develop at Southampton for a season or two. I agree with Moon really, get a few of these types of players burst through and look good as youngsters in central midfield but there are a lot of them become Cattermoles, Gibsons and the like. Good reliable players for mid table teams, whether Schneidrlin is above that level or not time will tell, but I think he would be a massive gamble for any team in the top 6 currently.
Invisible STuey

Is he anything to do with that Wesley Sneijder we was heavily linked with?

20 Jun 2013 00:07:38
No Nani shouldn't leave. If he does I'm going to jump off the civic centre.

20 Jun 2013 07:54:22
Percy? Is that you? Lol.

19 Jun 2013 23:55:50
Shappy when you were on about loose wingers earlier I thought our number 11 had been caught misbehaving again.

19 Jun 2013 23:53:50
Brilliant first half by Kagawa, he plays great out left for Japan but I still think he'd excel further playing as a no. 10.